Glyn and Jools, if it makes you feel any better the battery on the 4S has just died-and it's 3 1/2 years old-just like yours! The battery was fully charged 2 weeks before xmas for when you were going to borrow it Jules, went to start it for our aborted run on the 28th-nothing-not even the immobilizer light was working, so I think that is REALLY dead............ Luckily I have a spare which I have charged so will swap it over tomorrow. John |