hi skidlids, thanks for your reply. Looking at the Barnett kit does it matter what model I buy it for? I believe the ST4S uses ally plates? Any idea if the 'full' kits also include the dished plate or is that a ducati only part? Roughly hw many TD's can I expect from a clutch, I am not too harsh however I will 'use' the slipper as god intended! thanks, jack |