Ducati Sporting Club UK
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21  
Old 23-Apr-2009, 01:58
newbie02 newbie02 is offline
Registered Forum User
 
Posts: 12
Join Date: Sep 2003
Agreed.

But answer me this - have you ridden an 1198 and compared it to,let's say an 08 ZX10?

I have - on paper they have similar top speeds,similar acceleration and lap in similar times with the same rider,same tyres and same track.

But,guess what?

They feel totally different.

Even I can tell the difference.


Yep,we all have opinions - just voicing mine that's all
Quote+Reply
  #22  
Old 23-Apr-2009, 18:37
duc daz's Avatar
duc daz duc daz is offline
Registered Forum User
500SD
 
Posts: 548
Join Date: Sep 2005
Mood: a ducati is for life not just for christmas
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by newbie02
Agreed.

But answer me this - have you ridden an 1198 and compared it to,let's say an 08 ZX10?

I have - on paper they have similar top speeds,similar acceleration and lap in similar times with the same rider,same tyres and same track.

But,guess what?

They feel totally different.

Even I can tell the difference.


Yep,we all have opinions - just voicing mine that's all
your opinion taken on board,,,BUT i feel my opinion stands stronger than yours foxy,s TP,s As in overall percentage of litre super-bikes,shapes ,sizes ,braking,acceleration,0 to 60 speed,top end speed,how they corner,from one year to another the change would be as i quoted subtle...If you said to me that a formula 1 car and a VW golf were different then i would agree with you ,because that's the sort of difference your trying to put across to me ....
Quote+Reply
  #23  
Old 23-Apr-2009, 19:54
TP's Avatar
TP TP is offline
Registered Forum User
MotoGP God
 
Posts: 15,644
Join Date: Apr 2004
Mood: 749 racebike MGP
Quote:
Originally Posted by duc daz
your opinion taken on board,,,BUT i feel my opinion stands stronger than yours foxy,s TP,s As in overall percentage of litre super-bikes,shapes ,sizes ,braking,acceleration,0 to 60 speed,top end speed,how they corner,from one year to another the change would be as i quoted subtle...If you said to me that a formula 1 car and a VW golf were different then i would agree with you ,because that's the sort of difference your trying to put across to me ....

Unsurprisingly, and I think I can safely speak for the three of us on this one, we disagree.

You keep quoting bike stats, but you don't feel stats on the road. Engines have different characteristics in how they make power, regardless of the overall number, and that IS able to be distinguished by the rider. Some engines are peaky, some have strong midrange ... they may all have the same top end number but will feel different on the road. They may mean using gears differently etc etc. On the track it may mean you use different lines to get the best out of that bike compared to another litre bike.

I coached on an R1 (and R6) for the California Superbike School over 3 years and it felt TOTALLY different to my ZX-10R.

One comment in your last post stands out to me:

Quote:
Originally Posted by duc daz
because that's the sort of difference your trying to put across to me

I think you may have assumed something here.

In any case, I can most certainly tell the difference but I can accept that there are people out there who can't.

Last edited by TP : 23-Apr-2009 at 20:04.
Quote+Reply
  #24  
Old 23-Apr-2009, 21:11
newbie02 newbie02 is offline
Registered Forum User
 
Posts: 12
Join Date: Sep 2003
Good post TP.

Daz,I presume the fact you didn't answer my question means your opinion is made up from infirmation you've read and heard?



here's a fact for you - 1198S -v- 09 R1.

At 8000rpm the Duc produces 34ft/lb more torque than the R1.

Now tell me that's subtle and impossible to notice.
Quote+Reply
  #25  
Old 24-Apr-2009, 00:41
Jools's Avatar
DSC Member Jools Jools is offline
DSC Club Member
BSB Star
 
Posts: 6,930
Join Date: Jul 2002
Mood: MT Meglomaniac
I just love the fact that in all the comparative tests I've read, the Ducati whups the R1's ass...and by god the front end of the new R1 is feckin ugly.

I guess with the Duke costing 4K more than the R1 you'd have a right to expect it to be better, but the fact that nearly everyone thinks that it's a much better bike is good for any Ducati nutter to hear.

As to the issue about whether there is any real difference between top end superbikes on the road (or track). It was only as recently as 2001/2 that BSB and WSB bikes were making around 180 bhp, the same ballpark that these bikes are making now. It goes without saying that yer average rider won't be able to exploit any of these bikes to the full either on the road or the track (unless they have BSB level rifing skills). But, the way that each different make of bike handles and delivers the goods will still be clearly felt by even a novice rider to make their mind up on what they prefer.

For me, I've got an irrational need for an 1198S even though I know it's far more than I'd ever need, that I would only scratch the surface of what it could do and that I would be far better off with a 749 or 848


The Patent Jools Mood Meter -Today I am:


___________^
Quote+Reply
  #26  
Old 24-Apr-2009, 21:05
duc daz's Avatar
duc daz duc daz is offline
Registered Forum User
500SD
 
Posts: 548
Join Date: Sep 2005
Mood: a ducati is for life not just for christmas
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jools
I just love the fact that in all the comparative tests I've read, the Ducati whups the R1's ass...and by god the front end of the new R1 is feckin ugly.

I guess with the Duke costing 4K more than the R1 you'd have a right to expect it to be better, but the fact that nearly everyone thinks that it's a much better bike is good for any Ducati nutter to hear.

As to the issue about whether there is any real difference between top end superbikes on the road (or track). It was only as recently as 2001/2 that BSB and WSB bikes were making around 180 bhp, the same ballpark that these bikes are making now. It goes without saying that yer average rider won't be able to exploit any of these bikes to the full either on the road or the track (unless they have BSB level rifing skills). But, the way that each different make of bike handles and delivers the goods will still be clearly felt by even a novice rider to make their mind up on what they prefer.

For me, I've got an irrational need for an 1198S even though I know it's far more than I'd ever need, that I would only scratch the surface of what it could do and that I would be far better off with a 749 or 848
full respect for that comment mate and taken on board...
Quote+Reply
  #27  
Old 12-Aug-2009, 03:51
TP's Avatar
TP TP is offline
Registered Forum User
MotoGP God
 
Posts: 15,644
Join Date: Apr 2004
Mood: 749 racebike MGP
Don't you make me come up there!!!
Quote+Reply
  #28  
Old 18-Aug-2009, 18:56
couchcommando's Avatar
couchcommando couchcommando is offline
Registered Forum User
Ducati Meccanica
 
Posts: 2,244
Join Date: Apr 2004
Mood: ooooh
800 miles in and I'm now running with DTC off on the road as it is way too intrusive when wheelying even on the lower levels, traction is never an issue and shouldn't be on the road so no worries there,
I came ot this decision after sitting at 110ish happily balanced on one wheel in 3rd gear when the DTC cut all the power, the front came down so hard I thought the forks had snapped LOL, it interferes when pulling the front up at speed over crests even in 5th gear. I think anytime the front stops spinning the DTC throws a wobbler.

Can't wait to try it on track tho
Quote+Reply
  #29  
Old 19-Aug-2009, 16:12
SlowLearner's Avatar
SlowLearner SlowLearner is offline
Registered Forum User
Big Twin
 
Posts: 1,099
Join Date: Jun 2006
Mood: Bike or Yacht..... tough choice on sunny day ;-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by couchcommando
800 miles in and I'm now running with DTC off on the road as it is way too intrusive when wheelying even on the lower levels, traction is never an issue and shouldn't be on the road so no worries there,
I came ot this decision after sitting at 110ish happily balanced on one wheel in 3rd gear when the DTC cut all the power, the front came down so hard I thought the forks had snapped LOL, it interferes when pulling the front up at speed over crests even in 5th gear. I think anytime the front stops spinning the DTC throws a wobbler.

Can't wait to try it on track tho

Great post !

10% of me thinks DTC would be a good idea but my Tricolore is too lovely to trade in.... guess i could move all the extras across though.....
Quote+Reply
  #30  
Old 19-Aug-2009, 17:15
bradders's Avatar
bradders bradders is offline
Registered Forum User
MotoGP God
Bikes: 848, M620 DD bike
 
Posts: 11,913
Join Date: Aug 2003
Mood: waiting...
stick with the tric...you havent missed DTC yet
Quote+Reply
Reply
  
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes
Postbit Selector
Switch to Vertical postbit Use Vertical Postbit

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Recent Posts - Contact Us - DSC Home - Archive - Top
Powered by vBulletin 3.5.4 - Copyright © 2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. - © Ducati Sporting Club UK - All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:19.