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Old 20-Oct-2005, 17:42
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It especially amazes me from people who should know better who start making comments about people discussing their own race series.

their own race series seems to imply that the participants are the only stakeholders and that it doesn't belong to the club anymore?

Nope, you've completely grabbed the wrong end of the stick.

At no point was anything I said to the exclusion of the wider club membership. The series DOES belong to riders, because they are club members the same as everyone else. I never said that it doesn't belong to anyone else in the club nor do I mean to infer that. Nor am I inferring that members outside the series shouldn't share their opinion on the series. I think you're reading between the lines too much.

My point is some people have a pop and a dig at people for discussing the series on the message board for no valid reason. The Desmo Due forum is here for that VERY reason. And if other club members don't like it they should stay out of the DD forum and concentrate on what they do like about the message board/club and stop bloody whining like .... things that whine a lot !

In my humble opinion.

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Old 20-Oct-2005, 17:46
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I think a parc ferme for a club series is a complete waste of time ... unless it is suspected that one of the front runners (top 6 ?) are running some 'loophole' in the regs that they havnt discussed with the technical committee.
As for the rest of us ... is there some prize money up for grabs that I havnt heard of ?
If not, anyone running an 'illegal' bike is only cheating themselves.



Only the top 6 are likely to cheat then?

How about someone finishing in 7th coz they're running an illegal engine, and would normally finish 15th?

They're hardly just cheating themselves are they.

The only way you can stop cheating is by opening the rules up so that there is no room for cheating.

Have basic principles e.g. weight, engine capacity etc and then, anything else goes.

Otherwise saying 70bhp limit, or no this and that - if nobody checks EVERY bike, how can the rules be enforced?
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Old 20-Oct-2005, 17:54
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Had a bad day in the cab Dom ?
This is a small club series we're talking about here by the way.
Stop practising your moaning techniques on us or I wont buy any more of your corsa tyres with the corsa logo carefully scraped off.

(They were wasted on me anyway )

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Dom, I don't doubt everyone takes it seriously once they're out there, but I'm not going just to come back stressed after every round cos I didn't get a trophy, is is purely for fun, to improve my riding and get away from the trackday idiots I don't want it to be overly serious and complicated is all.
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Just noticed - 42 replies and only 5 of us voted
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Had a bad day in the cab Dom ?
This is a small club series we're talking about here by the way.
Stop practising your moaning techniques on us or I wont buy any more of your corsa tyres with the corsa logo carefully scraped off.

(They were wasted on me anyway )

[Edited on 20-10-2005 by phil_h]

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Old 20-Oct-2005, 18:00
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Well TP,

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It especially amazes me from people who should know better who start making comments about people discussing their own race series.

their own race series seems to imply that the participants are the only stakeholders and that it doesn't belong to the club anymore?

Nope, you've completely grabbed the wrong end of the stick.

At no point was anything I said to the exclusion of the wider club membership. The series DOES belong to riders, because they are club members the same as everyone else. I never said that it doesn't belong to anyone else in the club nor do I mean to infer that. Nor am I inferring that members outside the series shouldn't share their opinion on the series. I think you're reading between the lines too much.

My point is some people have a pop and a dig at people for discussing the series on the message board for no valid reason. The Desmo Due forum is here for that VERY reason. And if other club members don't like it they should stay out of the DD forum and concentrate on what they do like about the message board/club and stop bloody whining like .... things that whine a lot !

In my humble opinion.


Fair enough TP, I apologise if I've clambered on the old hobby horse...

I hope my only contribution prior to your message (my post about bending rules being human nature) didn't come across as whining? If it did, it wasn't meant to, and it certainly wasn't a pop at any individual. I was just trying to share that in my experience of motorsport (which I've been involved in, in some small way or another, for most of my adult life) some people will always try bending the rules sooner or later and it's usually in the second or third season of a new class being launched.
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Dom, I don't doubt everyone takes it seriously once they're out there, but I'm not going just to come back stressed after every round cos I didn't get a trophy, is is purely for fun, to improve my riding and get away from the trackday idiots I don't want it to be overly serious and complicated is all.

You'll have a great time

It's only complocated by the fact that the rules require stringent checks - something that seems very hard to arrange...

...and this isn't a dig at anyone either, just trying to bounce ideas around and see how we can sort 'our' series out.

The rules are great for next year, but need to be enforced or loosened so that cheating isn't possible.
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Old 20-Oct-2005, 18:02
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Fair enough TP, I apologise if I've clambered on the old hobby horse...

I hope my only contribution prior to your message (my post about bending rules being human nature) didn't come across as whining? If it did, it wasn't meant to, and it certainly wasn't a pop at any individual. I was just trying to share that in my experience of motorsport (which I've been involved in, in some small way or another, for most of my adult life) some people will always try bending the rules sooner or later and it's usually in the second or third season of a new class being launched.

No worries Jools, I certainly didn't have your post in mind as I hobbled onto the soapbox

I'd offer you an olive branch but Dickie's been around and cut them all down to make baseball bats out of them.

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Dom, if you are serious about making a racing career then you are in the wrong class simple as that. If you believe you have the talent to make a career (and I wish you luck) then a few ho is going to make no difference. If you don't believe me take a look at Dan Hegarty the young kid we are taking to national superstocks next year. He beat a club F600 champion on Pere Riba's ZX6RR with 130hp on his completely standard R6 cup bike, giving away nearly 30hp. This is the sort of talent needed to succeed in racing. Club racing is the bottom rung and if you can't win at club level even with a 25-30hp deficit you will never make it any further. I'm sorry if this is harsh but it's true.

As for the question yeh go for it, anyone can strip my bike at any time. Of course who picks up the bill for it being rebuilt at the tuner of my choice I don't know.

I've entered this series as I saw a nicely run series this year, I had enough of an open class where there were no rules and people were running ex bsb bikes, I could never afford to tune a bike that far or run it ! So the DD class is ideal for me, I will never go anywhere other than mid pack club racing at my age and I accept that so this looks like great fun
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