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[badgerpilot]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated.

You're confused! Hawkin's A Brief History Of Time was easier to understand.

[Imola Duke]

It would be easier to remove all the rules on engine and ignition regs and
enforce the BHP limit

I have just set the static timing on mine as the factory setting was a mile out
(retarded) and have now set it slightly advanced. Is this OK under current rules ?
Once it's back together i will check it with a light.

I do feel the rule book is confusing in place's and it would be easier to
enforce the bhp limit.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated.

Just pointing out there are suggestions being emailed in to relax a rule and another suggestion to tighten up the same rule.
Different riders have differing views

As has been said you can't please everyone

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Just pointing out there are suggestions being emailed in to relax a rule and another suggestion to tighten up the same rule.
Different riders have differing views

As has been said you can't please everyone

I sort of see what you mean Kev, but if I wish to set my ign timing static any where between min and max as much as the cradle will allow, I'm not breaking any rules.

For this rule to be valid you would have to state that every engine is set static at 7° which you and I know, is a nonsense and unprovable.

We need to open things up so riders with inavative ideas can try them as a tutor once told me:- "Always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got". FFS

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

enforce the BHP limit

I do feel the rule book is confusing in place's and it would be easier to
enforce the bhp limit.

Nigh on impossible to enforce a BHP limit unless a Dyno turns up at the track and then ideally at several meetings.

And if you allow modifications then its not just Horse Power but Torque as well that will need checking as those that can afford tuning will get it done if its going to give them an advantage within the rules, then its nolonger a even playing field, not unless everyone else follows suit which all costs money and pushes up the costs.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Ghost

We need to open things up so riders with inavative ideas can try them as a tutor once told me:- "Always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got". FFS

Phil my submission is for the rule to be changed
removing the words about the Manufacturers Standard settings
This will then allow people to experiment (mainly at next to no cost) and also reduce the risk of people buying bikes that have had the timing altered and knowing nothing about it and hence breaking the rule unwittingly.

Phil You may also be interested in my suggested changes to the Crankshaft rule
I have submitted a change that includes the phase
"Apart from Dynamic Balancing" inserted after the words No Modifications
This follows the debate earlier in the year and my subsequent questioning of several Ducati engine builders and can see no reason not to allow dynamic balancing and will again stop riders unknowingly breaking that rule

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Nigh on impossible to enforce a BHP limit unless a Dyno turns up at the track and then ideally at several meetings.

And if you allow modifications then its not just Horse Power but Torque as well that will need checking as those that can afford tuning will get it done if its going to give them an advantage within the rules, then its nolonger a even playing field, not unless everyone else follows suit which all costs money and pushes up the costs.

I See your point Kev

I never saw a dyno this year but spotted a few in 2008
at new era meets.

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Phil my submission is for the rule to be changed
removing the words about the Manufacturers Standard settings
This will then allow people to experiment (mainly at next to no cost) and also reduce the risk of people buying bikes that have had the timing altered and knowing nothing about it and hence breaking the rule unwittingly.

Phil You may also be interested in my suggested changes to the Crankshaft rule
I have submitted a change that includes the phase
"Apart from Dynamic Balancing" inserted after the words No Modifications
This follows the debate earlier in the year and my subsequent questioning of several Ducati engine builders and can see no reason not to allow dynamic balancing and will again stop riders unknowingly breaking that rule

Good news on the crank balancing aspect. But knife edging will be outlawed, but impossible to prove without having a barrell off at the very least.

Mine isn't knife edged by the way.

[phil_h]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Scott my prefernce would be for people to wheel their bikes out next season as they finished this. With Gray areas of the rule book cleared up or eliminated. Also for rules outside the control of the DSC such as Exhaust noise levels or race number sizes removed from the DD rules so we don't have to wait on the ACU before issuing the 2010 rules

Then its up to individuals how much they want to spend on their bikes over the winter, some would go for a complete refresh by a dealer, others just an oil and filter change

But there is still 16 days left to submit suggestions for consideration

Many are of the opinion if it isn't broke don't fix it, so all suggestions may already have been submitted, with a fair few happy with the rules as they are

Er, actually, I would quite like to wheel my bike out next season just as it finished 2008

[phil_h]

Originally Posted by phil_h

Er, actually, I would quite like to wheel my bike out next season just as it finished 2008

Except for tyres of course






Blimey, is this really post #100 !