Big up to Apex - Page 6

Brogins · #51 05-Jul-2005, 22:39

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Originally posted by JPM

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..Mi sono divertito un Casino!!
(I can't translate properly as it probably involves some f word.. but basically means I ENJOYED MYSELF A LOT!!)
the GP is great track , get second place in my favorite UK tracks after Donington...
After reading the post above, I guess I was lucky to be in the novice session..as we almost never got red flags...

Good organization and the rest, but whay I enjoyed the most was be on a track with some people I knew... It was a great turn out of Dukes and duke owners from the DSC.... I am so sad that I will not be able to join most of you in Cadwell as I will be suntanning my a... on a beach in Tuscany.

.. and by the way.. I still have to understand how to approach clearways in the GP circuit!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 5-7-2005 by Brogins]

Don't believe a word of that!!!

you were telling me all day how you were lighting up out of the corners and backing it in at the hairpin!

Good day and great to meet you

...well to be honest I was lap after lap searching my Supercorsa black marks on the tarmac.. after leaving the corners every lap Haga style (did you see last WSB race at Misano? Mamma mia..) ... and after I did WAKE UP and was already Tuesday morning!!!!!!

Nice to see you and all the gang, look forward to next track day...

Loz · #52 05-Jul-2005, 22:47

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Originally posted by Rally
What happend was they didn't account for the instructors bikes being included in the circuit maximum... kinda basic if you ask me... but I'm not complaining too much as they were able to fix me up with a replacement session.

Glad you got something positive out of the last session Rally. I hope it will set you up straight for the next TD, see you at Cadwell mate!

Thanks for looking at my front cylinder coil. Although I think/hope it's the rear cyl coil or spark plug that's the problem, the latest word from the garage is it might be "something mechanical".

matboyslim · #53 05-Jul-2005, 23:25

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For me the trackday was in fact a bit dissapointing.

I understand the reason for running 4 groups and that the red flags were not the fault of Apex, but there were too many people out on track in mixed ability groups.

My first 2 sessions were broken up with red flags and perhaps due to the size of he circuit, we spent a long time in pitlane before going out again.

Each session was circa 15 mins long and if red-flagged - which 4 of my 6 sessions were (and quite a few of the others group's) - got really broken up and difficult to get warmed up tyres.

In truth - could I organise a trackday on a big circuit like Brands GP with circa 200 bikes - No - so credit should go to those who can.

The idea of 4 groups is commercially viable given the seemingly preventative costs of Brands GP trackdays,but they're not for me.

Too many stoppages and too little tracktime means that I'd rather pay more money for more time on a clearer track and less chance of muppetry.

Tim

I wouldn’t be to hard on the riders that GP overwhelmed, they were not all Muppets it is a track of immense technical difficulty with down hill braking fast entries in to fast corners.
You can’t blame folk for what amounts to a half second laps in concentration and missing a braking point and make them feel like they ruined someone’s day.
Like the guy on the SP2 how jumped up after lowsiding in to Clearways crating a dust cloud that could be seen from Druids, so that they could see he was OK and not red flag the session. I don’t think he should be made to feel bad that one of the best, fastest, and most dangerous corners on the planet got the better of him, do you?

Cheers eric ya hit the nail on the head,
Muppetboyslim here! (thanks jpm) as i was sliding along the track the very idea that they may stop the session was in my head and like you said as soon as i stopped up i jumped to show i was ok! But as its such a fast corner and i was right in line of fire they flagged it, sorry if i cut the last session short all be it by a lap or two. Thanks to all who came to (take the ****) see if i was ok!

[Edited on 5-7-2005 by matboyslim]

TP · #54 05-Jul-2005, 23:29

No worries Mat, everyone makes mistakes.

Just looking at your sig .. put img tags around that url for the muppet image, oh and add a .jpg at the end and it will be fine.

Like this:

[Edited on 5-7-2005 by TP]

Rattler · #55 05-Jul-2005, 23:40

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Originally posted by matboyslim

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Originally posted by ericthered40

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Originally posted by Rattler

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Originally posted by Rattler
For me the trackday was in fact a bit dissapointing.

I understand the reason for running 4 groups and that the red flags were not the fault of Apex, but there were too many people out on track in mixed ability groups.

My first 2 sessions were broken up with red flags and perhaps due to the size of he circuit, we spent a long time in pitlane before going out again.

Each session was circa 15 mins long and if red-flagged - which 4 of my 6 sessions were (and quite a few of the others group's) - got really broken up and difficult to get warmed up tyres.

In truth - could I organise a trackday on a big circuit like Brands GP with circa 200 bikes - No - so credit should go to those who can.

The idea of 4 groups is commercially viable given the seemingly preventative costs of Brands GP trackdays,but they're not for me.

Too many stoppages and too little tracktime means that I'd rather pay more money for more time on a clearer track and less chance of muppetry.

Tim

I wouldn’t be to hard on the riders that GP overwhelmed, they were not all Muppets it is a track of immense technical difficulty with down hill braking fast entries in to fast corners.
You can’t blame folk for what amounts to a half second laps in concentration and missing a braking point and make them feel like they ruined someone’s day.
Like the guy on the SP2 how jumped up after lowsiding in to Clearways crating a dust cloud that could be seen from Druids, so that they could see he was OK and not red flag the session. I don’t think he should be made to feel bad that one of the best, fastest, and most dangerous corners on the planet got the better of him, do you?

Cheers eric ya hit the nail on the head,
Muppetboyslim here! (thanks jpm) as i was sliding along the track the very idea that they may stop the session was in my head and like you said as soon as i stopped up i jumped to show i was ok! But as its such a fast corner and i was right in line of fire they flagged it, sorry if i cut the last session short all be it by a lap or two. Thanks to all who came to (take the <B>****</B> ) see if i was ok!

[Edited on 5-7-2005 by matboyslim]

My muppetry comment was not aimed specifically at all the crashers - people can and will always fall off - god knows I have and will continue to!!!

It was more a general comment on the actions of the "the no-overtaking rule doesn't apply to me brigade" - who do bin their bikes with cold tyres.

My post was also not meant as a derogatory to any "newbies to Brands" riders out there.

Tough break for you Mat - but I'll always appreciate a man who can crash and still smile afterwards - nice one.

Tim

ericthered40 · #56 06-Jul-2005, 00:55

You are a racer now and your track time is very precious. I can see how the four groups track day,
even without the normal amount of stoppages, can’t deliver the time you need to get were you want to go. I think that for the (non-racers) three groups there would maybe push rider’s fitness and concentration even further leading to more offs and maybe risk their safety.
The session we were red flagged on after the first lap by a Muppet was inexcusable.
I still think the fast inters were getting on better than the fast group but they got an extra session to make up.

It must be your expectation of a track day now because we were on the same day in the same group and we have total different impressions on the day.

When you going out to the states to start your training anyway?

Rally · #57 06-Jul-2005, 01:24

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Originally posted by Loz
[Thanks for looking at my front cylinder coil. Although I think/hope it's the rear cyl coil or spark plug that's the problem, the latest word from the garage is it might be "something mechanical".

I'd put money on new plugs sorting that right out. Bung a couple in and see if I'm right

BTW, I've got a new (second hand) tank on the way. Trouble is - if I keep repairing the damage I'll run out of excuses not to wash it

Whele · #58 06-Jul-2005, 11:55

On behalf of Catherine and myself I would like to thank everybody for the support we received, and for all the positive comment and the constructive criticism, it was fantastic seeing and hearing all the Dukes lining up in the pit lane and it felt a really friendly atmosphere.

We are getting a big pointy hat made with “I am a Tw*t” for all those fast group riders who throw their bike in the kitty litter on the first two laps on cold tyres. I am constantly amazed that this group is the most experienced, yet they make the most basic error in the book. I am really at a loss what can be done. The first lap no overtaking rule is there for a reason and I did boll*ck three riders who flouted the instruction, I spent quite a lot of time in the control room at the start of each session watching the 20 monitors that showed what you were all up to, so we don’t just rely on instructor feedback.

In all 27 riders changed groups throughout the day
Five riders were warned about poor riding standards, one was forcibly moved to the fast group because he was intimidating rider in the novice group
8 people dropped their bikes
0 in the novice group
0 in the slow inters (yellow)
2 in the fast inters (blue)
6 in the fast group (of which 3 were first lap incidents and one was lap2)

Interesting how the groups who receive instruction and classroom session seem to be the groups who crash the least, maybe we should open it up for fast riders too, (yes I am aware the fast group ride nearer their limits so a few offs are expected, but 60% of the novice group had never been on any track before)

Sadly the guy who went down on the last corner on the last lap of the last session, broke his hip which slightly dampened the day for us.

Thanx again to everybody

matboyslim · #59 06-Jul-2005, 12:52

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Originally posted by Rattler

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Originally posted by matboyslim

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Originally posted by ericthered40

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Originally posted by Rattler

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Originally posted by Rattler
For me the trackday was in fact a bit dissapointing.

I understand the reason for running 4 groups and that the red flags were not the fault of Apex, but there were too many people out on track in mixed ability groups.

My first 2 sessions were broken up with red flags and perhaps due to the size of he circuit, we spent a long time in pitlane before going out again.

Each session was circa 15 mins long and if red-flagged - which 4 of my 6 sessions were (and quite a few of the others group's) - got really broken up and difficult to get warmed up tyres.

In truth - could I organise a trackday on a big circuit like Brands GP with circa 200 bikes - No - so credit should go to those who can.

The idea of 4 groups is commercially viable given the seemingly preventative costs of Brands GP trackdays,but they're not for me.

Too many stoppages and too little tracktime means that I'd rather pay more money for more time on a clearer track and less chance of muppetry.

Tim

I wouldn’t be to hard on the riders that GP overwhelmed, they were not all Muppets it is a track of immense technical difficulty with down hill braking fast entries in to fast corners.
You can’t blame folk for what amounts to a half second laps in concentration and missing a braking point and make them feel like they ruined someone’s day.
Like the guy on the SP2 how jumped up after lowsiding in to Clearways crating a dust cloud that could be seen from Druids, so that they could see he was OK and not red flag the session. I don’t think he should be made to feel bad that one of the best, fastest, and most dangerous corners on the planet got the better of him, do you?

Cheers eric ya hit the nail on the head,
Muppetboyslim here! (thanks jpm) as i was sliding along the track the very idea that they may stop the session was in my head and like you said as soon as i stopped up i jumped to show i was ok! But as its such a fast corner and i was right in line of fire they flagged it, sorry if i cut the last session short all be it by a lap or two. Thanks to all who came to (take the <B>****</B> ) see if i was ok!

[Edited on 5-7-2005 by matboyslim]

My muppetry comment was not aimed specifically at all the crashers - people can and will always fall off - god knows I have and will continue to!!!

It was more a general comment on the actions of the "the no-overtaking rule doesn't apply to me brigade" - who do bin their bikes with cold tyres.

My post was also not meant as a derogatory to any "newbies to Brands" riders out there.

Tough break for you Mat - but I'll always appreciate a man who can crash and still smile afterwards - nice one.

Tim

Well its what a trackday is all about knowing just how far you and your bike can go before one of you lets go, just not on the first two laps! Had a really great day and was so glad i walked away from what could have been a nasty crash!

PS.JPM hows my new sig looking? (ta TP all sorted now!)

JPM · #60 06-Jul-2005, 13:00

Yeah suits you!!

At least you didn't do an Alex

I had a few brown trouser moments into Clearways myself, seems to dip slightly just as I was hitting the anchors, had a feet of pegs moment on one lap I'd left it that late, seem to roll off a bit earlier after that though for some reason

Hope you get the bike sorted soon, didn't look too bad though, just get the hammerite out and it'll be fine

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