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[996]

chinese whispers time........just spoke to a US ducati dealership thats seen the new bike,........." yes its beautifull looking" he said," but the most impressive thing is that its supposed to be 155bhp at the crank in bip model and 40 lbs lighter than the 999 !!!!!!!Gulp


lets just watch the values of 999 drop like a stone now as everyone tries to trade-in for the new model.

[Sharpy G]

glad I bought the 749 then !

[Jools]

Originally Posted by 996

lets just watch the values of 999 drop like a stone now as everyone tries to trade-in for the new model.

Schadenfreude ???

[Henners]

Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.

[996]

Originally Posted by Henners

Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.

Thankyou,and well said.

[Jools]

Originally Posted by Henners

Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.

Just a question, hence the three question marks, since it wasn't clear to me from the original post. It's good to have 996 confirm that he would not take any pleasure in somebody taking a financial pasting through their choice of a 999.

On the other hand, ever since the 999 was introduced it has had many detractors, many of whom have made it perfectly clear that they can't wait to see it's demise, will not buy another Ducati until the 999 is shelved and would rub their hands with glee the day that it was taken off the market. Nearly all of these detractors have been owners of.....well, 996's and the like, so I thought it was a fair question to ask.

Personally, with my ST and my 'antique' 888, the issue doesn't really affect me, but if I had the money for another bike I wouldn't baulk at a T9 since I have always considered them to be a bold and very striking design that I like a lot. Love them or hate them, they can't be accused of being bland and if Ducati means anything to me it's about being brave enough to stand out against the herd and make their own statements. If it were not so, Ducati certainly have the technical savvy to have competed in the marketplace with an IL4 of their own to compete against the Japanese but all Ducati would be then is a 'me too' manufacturer with no distinguishing characteristics, and I believe it is the distinguishing characteristics of the big twin, desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame etc that we all so admire.

The other thing that I still don't get is the rush to have the latest, greatest. We all know that there are very, very few people on this board (perhaps one or two racers amongst us) that can use anywhere near the potential of a 999. Effectively most of us are only about half as good as the bike - so there is plenty of performance potential sitting there going to waste on a standard 999. I've never understood the Japanese inspired thing that dictates something is obselete as soon as something that is a kilo lighter and a few bhp more powerful comes along, and yet each year, driven by this marketing hype, people rush off to buy more and more of something that they can't use

[Henners]

I agree with a lot of what you say Jools however you're missing a key part of motorcycle ownership for me and that's how a bike makes you feel - not just whether you can use the performance or not.

I love the 916 shape and always have to look over my sholder walking away from one. I love the moment of opening the garage door and seeing the twin termis glinting as the garage lights up. The 999 shape never lit those fires for me however I'm hoping the 1098/1200 does so I can return to Ducati ownership.

So you see it's not about bigger or better or newer - it's about the passion of ownership

[996]

Jools,my friend,I would not take any pleasure in anyone loosing big style on anything.

On your last point,I totally agree with you,99.9 percent of bike riders on here(myself included) don't NEED anything more than a 748 bip,but as you know, need is different to want,and people will always want more,newer,faster etc etc.

The whole point of this thread was of general interest of the new bike.I was amazed to hear (true or not,as people seem to be saying) about the performance,mainly the 40lbs lighter point.


Oh,bye the way.....guess what....I've got a 999 !

[Ray]

The japanese approach of new models every time the sun rises is based on planned obsolescence, the neophiliacs just can't resist the latest and greatest.

Think I'm spouting Borrocks, maybe but, try reading page 52 of the 10th June 2006 issue of New scientist. Its a very interesting read and gives an insight into the "throw away" society some claim we live in now.

Whats all this got to do with Ducati, well the marketeers might say the "profile" of Ducati owners is very different to that of UJMs.

Ultimately some claim you are genetically pre disposed to buy the bike you do and/or not want or must have the latest model.

Ray.

[749er]

Originally Posted by Jools

Just a question, hence the three question marks, since it wasn't clear to me from the original post. It's good to have 996 confirm that he would not take any pleasure in somebody taking a financial pasting through their choice of a 999.

On the other hand, ever since the 999 was introduced it has had many detractors, many of whom have made it perfectly clear that they can't wait to see it's demise, will not buy another Ducati until the 999 is shelved and would rub their hands with glee the day that it was taken off the market. Nearly all of these detractors have been owners of.....well, 996's and the like, so I thought it was a fair question to ask.

Personally, with my ST and my 'antique' 888, the issue doesn't really affect me, but if I had the money for another bike I wouldn't baulk at a T9 since I have always considered them to be a bold and very striking design that I like a lot. Love them or hate them, they can't be accused of being bland and if Ducati means anything to me it's about being brave enough to stand out against the herd and make their own statements. If it were not so, Ducati certainly have the technical savvy to have competed in the marketplace with an IL4 of their own to compete against the Japanese but all Ducati would be then is a 'me too' manufacturer with no distinguishing characteristics, and I believe it is the distinguishing characteristics of the big twin, desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame etc that we all so admire.

The other thing that I still don't get is the rush to have the latest, greatest. We all know that there are very, very few people on this board (perhaps one or two racers amongst us) that can use anywhere near the potential of a 999. Effectively most of us are only about half as good as the bike - so there is plenty of performance potential sitting there going to waste on a standard 999. I've never understood the Japanese inspired thing that dictates something is obselete as soon as something that is a kilo lighter and a few bhp more powerful comes along, and yet each year, driven by this marketing hype, people rush off to buy more and more of something that they can't use

like what you say Jools. having seen the new Kawasaki ZX6R, it will interesting to see how that sells,given its a 599cc not 636cc (slower possibly)and it looks awful IMHO. tough job for their marketing people!