Ducati Sporting Club UK > Model Specific - Discussion, Technical Problems and Help > 998 / 996 / 916 / 748 > Brake upgrades and whether they are worth it ?

[twpd]

Originally posted by dickieducati
not goingto get too involved as i know jack all about brakes etc but i do know you make up time on the throttle not on the brakes. FACT

Indeed.

[RickyX]

Steve,

I fitted 4 Pad P34's to my bike last year - with single s/s brake lines. At first I had the same impression as you...why did I bother, these are the same (or even, worse) than the 2 pads I just removed.
That, however was with the pads that came with the s/h calipers.
I then bought some Carbone Lorraine SBK3's and the difference was AWSOME!

So I recommend junking the s/h pads and putting in some nice new SBK3's....

Richard

[TP]

Originally posted by dickieducati

you will make up time by braking later but in comparison to getting on the throttle early and carrying it through a fast section it is tiny by comparison. we are talking tenths of seconds compared to seconds.

Exactly.

Braking very late and hard will help you pass people, but is likely to actually have a negative impact on your laptime as when you're braking really hard your field of vision narrows and you are less likely to turn your attention to the apex etc early enough and therefore lose some corner entry speed. Not to mention the fact that you're probably gripping the bars in a vice-like death grip and not allowing the front suspension to do its job properly.

This is of course unless you have plenty of experience doing this and can overcome your subconscious survival reactions.

This year I've raced with the 4 pad calipers and the 2 pad calipers - the 4 pads have more power for sure.

[moto748]

I've got P34 callipers on my 748 with the stock m/c, and the braking difference is immediately apparent, no doubt about it (road use only).

Of course I had new pads (and, indeed, discs) at the same time.

[Edited on 10-5-2006 by moto748]

[andyb]

Originally posted by TP

Exactly.

Braking very late and hard will help you pass people, but is likely to actually have a negative impact on your laptime as when you're braking really hard your field of vision narrows and you are less likely to turn your attention to the apex etc early enough and therefore lose some corner entry speed. Not to mention the fact that you're probably gripping the bars in a vice-like death grip and not allowing the front suspension to do its job properly.

This is of course unless you have plenty of experience doing this and can overcome your subconscious survival reactions.

This year I've raced with the 4 pad calipers and the 2 pad calipers - the 4 pads have more power for sure.

Isnt it the one in front that wins........not the fastest?..............oh learned one!................or are we stuck in Dickies everyone loves everyone mode?

[Edited on 10-5-2006 by andyb]

[TP]

Originally posted by andyb

Isnt it the one in front that wins........not the fastest?..............oh learned one!

Umm ... well, obviously! But clearly that wasn't the topic of conversation!

A discussion on racecraft would go a lot differently I'm sure. Dom's the one to ask, I've never been in 1st position in a race.

[andyb]

isnt when to brake and when to get on the throttle race craft then?

[twpd]

Isn't Weeksy using his bike on the road?

[andyb]

Originally posted by twpd
Isn't Weeksy using his bike on the road?

WTF does he want gucci brakes for then? Is he turning into a bling monster then............

[Edited on 10-5-2006 by andyb]

[twpd]

I dunno. He's selling the Ohlins so your guess is as good as mine. Unless he's putting something better on.