Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > How to kill a passion

[Chaz]

Originally Posted by Zimbo16

I too keep well away from political issues too as a rule, all I want to do is turn up and be given the oportunity to race. We've all concerned about this though, because it's potentially a serious threat to the series we all love so much, and have invested so much in.
It's not that the protest happened - Anthony has every right to protest Dom's bike, provided he's prepared to pay the fees, I don't believe anyone has a serious issue with that. It's the fact that he's been sponsored to do so by persons as yet undisclosed, and "encouraged" to do so by the race committee, that we're finding hard to swallow. I'm another that has never suspected Dom's bike of being in any way illegal, and I've personally never heard any rumours or opinions expressed by any other riders to that effect either. I shall keep riding in the series (as long as there's a series to ride in) and I'll wait for all the facts to be presented before making any accusations, but it certainly looks more than fishy from where I'm standing, and it's easy to jump to the conclusion that the protest was pushed forward as a form of personal attack on Dom rather than being based on any real evidence. No doubt the true facts will come out over the next few days, and if that is the case then I would expect some action to be taken.

IF you read the origonal post it names the peple responsible I have proof.

[twpd]

Rich you should be aware that some time ago a comment was passed on this board about someone runing 800 camshafts...I can't remember who said it and it was in jest..it might even have been Dom - so, my point is that it's quite easy to see how the question of 800 cams would crop up.

Secondly - as you are undoubtedly aware - Dom was pulled up for running a SuperCorsa at some stage (Snetterton I belive).

It's against such a background that it doesn't take a genius to see how people can draw conclusions no matter how erroneous they are.

Originally Posted by louigi

A person from the managment team rang me on Friday asking for information about camshaft lift measurement, this i couldnt answer, but was alerted that the rumor in the paddock was that somone was running 800 camshafts? I invited such person to strip my bike and check the lift of cam lobes to compare with the said illigal bike. This was not to happen, but the rumor was actually about the other Louigi Moto bike. I was asked by the management team member "what had been done to Doms bike" My reply was "only normal servicing"
They obviously didnt belive what I had said, Did they think I would lie to them? Not sure, but I thrive on my reputation.
I think this whole saga has caused me personly a lot of wasted time as now I have to reassemble a perfectly good bike, when I should be working, trying to earn a living.

[twpd]

Originally Posted by domski

I'm sorry Keefer, but you're being a tw@t here. If your pride and joy was stripped down NOT because someone genuinely thought you were cheating, but to get back at you after your rider had voiced an opinion, I'm sure you'd be pi$$ed off too.

You weren't there and clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and if you're bored by it all, then don't read any threads from the DD section - it's quite simple. I don't read hundreds of threads!

Be a bit clearer Dom - do you seriously believe you were being got at for voicing an opinion and that having the bike protested & stripped was a consequence of that opinion? What was the opinion you voiced?

[Henners]

... you have decided to be the fall guy here, I don't know why you are protecting your 'sponsors' however it does you little credit, because until you disclose their names then people will continue to guess and that can't be healthy for the club or the series. Time to put the record straight.

[phoenix n max]

Hasnt he already said he was 'encouraged' by the race committee ?

[domski]

Originally Posted by twpd

Rich you should be aware that some time ago a comment was passed on this board about someone runing 800 camshafts...I can't remember who said it and it was in jest..it might even have been Dom - so, my point is that it's quite easy to see how the question of 800 cams would crop up.

OK, how about this...

Jeez, how lucky was it that I was running a light flywheel

Anyone gunna protest that one? Just in case like.

Secondly - as you are undoubtedly aware - Dom was pulled up for running a SuperCorsa at some stage (Snetterton I belive).

Diablo Corsa actually... as a result of seeing them on other bikes at previous rounds.

Although I lost my points.

What happened when Geoff Spencer ran a 680 big bore kit at Cadwell (and everyone knew before the race started!) and won both races? I believe he kept his points and even had his bike made legal - paid for by Ducati UK - according to Baines themselves (as I was told by another reputable DD rider who spoke to Baines afterwards).

It's against such a background that it doesn't take a genius to see how people can draw conclusions no matter how erroneous they are.

The simple fact is Nige, that I pi$$ed PJ off. Nothing else.

Everything that happened on the day and in the build up to the meeting proves this. Things were said on the day that also back all this up. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Those are the facts!

[twpd]

He also said there were plenty of rumours floating around. It takes more than a race committee to be responsible for that. Those sort of rumours come from other riders or those involved with them.

[domski]

Originally Posted by twpd

Be a bit clearer Dom - do you seriously believe you were being got at for voicing an opinion and that having the bike protested & stripped was a consequence of that opinion?

I entirely believe that to be the case.

What was the opinion you voiced?

Have you been away recently?

[twpd]

Originally Posted by domski

OK, how about this...

Jeez, how lucky was it that I was running a light flywheel

Anyone gunna protest that one? Just in case like.

But that is exactly how rumours start Dom. That is the point I am making although coming from you....

Diablo Corsa actually... as a result of seeing them on other bikes at previous rounds.

It doesn't matter what tyre it was - only that it wasn't permitted. Sure you did your time but, again the point I make is that people will draw conclusions from those episodes so, in context, it become easy and obvious how you may be accused of cheating.

What happened when Geoff Spencer ran a 680 big bore kit at Cadwell (and everyone knew before the race started!) and won both races? I believe he kept his points and even had his bike made legal - paid for by Ducati UK - according to Baines themselves (as I was told by another reputable DD rider who spoke to Baines afterwards).

That's a rumour. It is not substantiated. You need material evidence. Material evidence is precisely why the bike was stripped.

The simple fact is Nige, that I pi$$ed PJ off. Nothing else.

If that is the case then it's a poor show indeed. If, however, your bike was stripped because there was good reason to believe you were cheating then it's understandable.

Here's a bit of rational thought for the lynch mob. Now please read what I say properly before jumping on a bandwagon - I am an impartial observer with no axe to grind.

1. Dom has previously infringed the rules & should have known better - known fact.
2. Dom is doing much better than last year when he was nowhere - known fact
3. Dom is winning the championship - known fact
4. Dom has made comments about 800 camshaft (we'll assume it's a known fact - winging it but stay with me on this)
5. Rumours circulating in the paddock re. cheating going on - known fact

The point I am making is that it's an easy and understandable conclusion to come to that Dom might be cheating.

It's a crying shame that someone might use this sort of situation to their advantage with an alternative personal agenda motivating them - nonetheless it is easy to see how rumours of cheating can exist.

[andys 900ss]

I have been watching clubmans races since I was 0 yrs old and can see a good rider over another.

You, Dom, are awesome and when you went passed me on the 'superpole' qualifying at Oulton, I followed for as long as I could and could see how well you ride the bike and it gave me some tips how to ride these things.

Well done mate, your the series winner, dont forget. And well done to Phil too! It seems the celebrations need more emphasis!!! These guys have worked damn hard!

Our swimming club won Sat night before and we had cheers, group photos and presentations....

Andy