police don't you just Love them

[skidlids]

Well thats 3 points on my licence and 60 quid fine.

But why did they stop me and not any of the cars is what I want to know.
Victimised is how I feel

And what s this Supervised driver box ticked for on the producer. I was on my 916 without a passenger, go figure.

Offence was a DT35 rear tyre bellow limit in the centre part, still has more tread in the middle than the tyre I fitted 10 minutes later but thats got a different pattern and is perfectly legal.
It was a good spot from 100yards as I approached and the copper stepped out in front of me.

so what do I do for Silverstone will the yellow bit on the produce satisfy No Limits when you sign on for the trackday.

Last points were in 97 when I got a MW10 for towing in the outside lane of a Motorway, note I wasn't speeding just going around one of those ****s that hog the middle lane.

:puzzled: :puzzled: :puzzled: :puzzled:

[Redruth]

Aww, skidywids. That's a real shame! Did you try flutterin' your eyelashes! That usually works. :(:(

Impressed you've managed to avoid getting knicked for so many years. Presumably, you haven't been out much. :rodent:

You should ring Mark at No Limits and check what they need. Have you taken a photocopy of your licence before sending it off? Always a good plan. Also, if you get any more 'speeding offences' between now and when they return your licence, produce a photocopy. It throws the whole system into a tailspin. Better still, send a cheque with a photocopy. They can't cope and end up dropping the whole thing because of administration overload .... or so I hear :saint::saint:

[Loz]

Well, I for one feel safer knowing a criminal mastermind has been brought to justice.

FFS.

:rolleye:

[Road Runner]

Well skidlids it could have been worse they could have thought you were a Fox hunt supporter and beaten you half to death as well :D:D

[andyb]

Hang on a minute. I dont want to lecture but, A bit of perspective please. Your running on the road, at this time of year, particularly with the shiiiitte weather weve had, on a bald tyre?
We both know that the bald tread may appear the same externally as say a Pilot race 2 tyre in the middle, but the construction of these two are miles apart!
What about the safety of you and other road users!

[DC]

Originally posted by skidlids
Well thats 3 points on my licence and 60 quid fine.

But why did they stop me and not any of the cars is what I want to know.
Victimised is how I feel

And what s this Supervised driver box ticked for on the producer. I was on my 916 without a passenger, go figure.

Offence was a DT35 rear tyre bellow limit in the centre part, still has more tread in the middle than the tyre I fitted 10 minutes later but thats got a different pattern and is perfectly legal.
It was a good spot from 100yards as I approached and the copper stepped out in front of me.

so what do I do for Silverstone will the yellow bit on the produce satisfy No Limits when you sign on for the trackday.

Last points were in 97 when I got a MW10 for towing in the outside lane of a Motorway, note I wasn't speeding just going around one of those ****s that hog the middle lane.

:puzzled: :puzzled: :puzzled: :puzzled:

Allo mate,

Um, I would have thought that the bit of the original ticket that you have left would be good enough to state that you have a licence. I mean, its good enough for another copper if you were to get stopped again while you had sent your original licence off. So it must be good enough for a track day. But.....................??????

As for the rear tyre. I think it was a case of "stop that bike and then see what I can find." :(:flame:

DC.

[Edited on 18-9-2004 by DC]

[skidlids]

Certainly does seem like a case of stop the bike and see what they can find.
Well every car that they didn't stop could well have had a "bald tyre" but they would never know as they didn't bother stopping them.
I doubt if I had been in the car that I would have been stopped.

tyre was a Metzeller sportec, 180mm wide, for the first 75mm in from each edge the tread deapth was anything from 2mm to 3mm, the remaining centre part of the tyre was less with the lowest point along the centre being 0.8mm with the pattern still vissible.
It all happened within a quarter mile of my home on the return journey so who can say what the centre depth was when I left home. So why couldn't they just give a rectification notice or a stern warning.

As it happens I was down the local police station producing my licence within 30 minutes of the ticket being issued with another tyre in the back of the bike. If I had felt the offending one was dangerous to ride on it would have been easy enough for me to change it.
Now the front with above the legal limit of tread is getting harder to turn in due to having worn a step on the sides of it and I would consider less safe than the rear, but what do I know other than I already have a brand new set of Pirelli Diablos sitting at home waiting to be fitted as soon as I finish these night shifts.

I wonder if they were stopping the Pikeys that have again gained access to the land next to the sub station less than 100 yards away, probably not as theyre not on bikes.

[Glyn]

i must say sounds a bit stiff too me
a good ticking off would have done surely
or were you running road slicks?

[skidlids]

No Glyn I don't run slicks not even for the racing, a bit of tread on the tyre squirms about and tends to give you some warning when your getting near the limit.

i would still like to know why I was singled out when they were there maning a speed trap and I wasn't speeding.

Can only conclude it was because I was on a bike.

A bike that I spend far more time and money on than the car as far as looking after it goes. it may not look much but I trust it with my life.

[everton]

3 points & £60. Not good enough................I say hang him :o

Bloody motorcyclists.............flogging's too good for 'em.

Bad luck Kev. :(

[Henners]

Bad luck Kev. I guess they ignored the Termis then?

[fil2]

damn m8 sorry to hear that..............

The way the Police enforce the various laws are sporadic at best...the issue i have with the " Modern Policemen " is the no discussion no debate approach, sure if they stop a hoon doing a power wheely or a young 18 year old on 2 bald tyres then thier is no debate etc, but surely stopping a middle aged biker riding sensibly then booking em is just taking the ****, why not let it go..i mean its not like skids is gonna ride round on a bald tyre in the wet is it.?.....

I remember the days on the RD350LC when the local traffic cops, stopped you gave u a warning first a talking too, then if they stopped you again it would be a bookable offence.....

I m not saying let people of all the time, but a little discussion perhaps leneancy .!!!

For my mind traffic law is purely for revenue !! probably wrong but thats how i feel , i have no real respect for the traffic police anymore.

[rcgbob44]

Its all money in the coffers!

I say lets screw these rich b`stards that can afford to buy a new Ducati then just dicard it for some other flash bike such as an MV!

There the real world vilans.:D

[skidlids]

Just measured the tread depth of the new Pirelli Diablo at 6mm, I normally get about 3000 miles from a tyre. so thats about 5mm of wear for 3000 miles, which is 600 miles per millimeter. So the 0.2mm below works out at 120miles or about a tank of gas on my 916.

So when stopped i'm within a quarter of a mile of my house with the fuel light on. which means when I took the bike out of the garage the evening before for nightshift the tyre was probably legal. rode to work and back then after some kip nipped out to meet up with Bradders.
Talk about Zero Tolerance

[Edited on 17-9-2004 by skidlids]

[dave w]

Only one word to say kev....TOSSERS....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::m ad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[fil2]

Originally posted by skidlids
Just measured the tread depth of the new Pirelli Diablo at 6mm, I normally get about 3000 miles from a tyre. so thats about 5mm of wear for 3000 miles, which is 600 miles per millimeter. So the 0.2mm below works out at 120miles or about a tank of gas on my 916.

So when stopped i'm within a quarter of a mile of my house with the fuel light on. which means when I took the bike out of the garage the evening before for nightshift the tyre was probably legal. rode to work and back then after some kip nipped out to me Bradders.
Talk about Zero Tolerance

Thats just the point ..no discusssion ....zero tolerance is CRAP.. i dont see them enforcing ZERO tolerance on other more serious crime..or is .04mm of the tread of yer tyre classed as a threat to public safety...

i know its a cliche but there has to be more serios issues to be dealing with..???

[Ray]

I'm not too surprised about anyone being stopped near home.

If you are "known" to the Local PD for "enthusiastic riding" or anything else for that matter. You can expect a pull from time to time.

You may also be more of a target if you have been mentioned is "dispatches" on the PD radio. You might not have been stopped but that doesn't mean you haven't been seen.


Ray.

[Iconic944ss]

Sorry to hear of your troubles Kev, I know how gutted I was when I got pulled in my car recently - I'd of been incensed if I was in your situation.

It just annoys me that basically honest, law abiding people always seem to be the ones who have to take the S*ite and are expected to pay out as well !!!

I agree that the traffic police are just money making machines and like wise have lost some respect in my eyes.

Ride safe guys - Frank

[Nattyboy]

Hard lines Kev....ive gathered 9 points in the last 10 months...3 of them were when I nearly broke the sound barrier doing 72mph in a 70, and the other 2 were similarly pathetic.

And they want to know why the public have little or no respect for them ?? :mad:

B*****cks to them.

Nat

[fil2]

Originally posted by Iconic944ss
Sorry to hear of your troubles Kev, I know how gutted I was when I got pulled in my car recently - I'd of been incensed if I was in your situation.

It just annoys me that basically honest, law abiding people always seem to be the ones who have to take the S*ite and are expected to pay out as well !!!

I agree that the traffic police are just money making machines and like wise have lost some respect in my eyes.

Ride safe guys - Frank

Right the law abiding peeps pay..if u had no insurance no tax no license you would not have stopped just ****ed off and prolly would not have been caught

[Gordy]

Kev, I never knew you were on the top 10 villians list!!. Ok so it was under the limit, but perhaps a bit of discretion maybe. :puzzled: . but what do you expect, as you ride a 2 wheeler you must be a badass criminal:devil:.

bad luck mate, may see you at the bmf at the weekend. take it easy.

Gordy.

[baylissboy]

I'll second dave w................TOSSERS!!!!!!:flame:

[skidlids]

Hi Gordy
Nice to see you on the site again.
I'll be up at the BMF with Kev, Trudi and a mate from work on Sunday.
Be careful as you come past Oxford as Local plod is obviously on a Fund raising campaign with Zero Tolerance.

Anybody got one of those Bad Ass number plate thingies that flip up, I wouldn't mind getting hold of one. As without the plate visible they wouldn't have stood a hope in hells chance of catching me. I was 300 yards from the biggest council estate in this part of the country with more alley ways than you can shake a stick at, all passable on a bike but no chance of a cop car getting up them and by the time they would have jumped in their car I would have been long gone.

And why not. you get told to stop for no reason and as you think you haven't anything to worry about you do as your told, but they proceed to measure your tyre so they can find something to do you for, his first choice was the No. plate but he was stumped there. Bike was taxed, MOT'd and Insured, wearing a good quality helmet, leather jacket and Sidi boots.

Yes I feel **** on and then they wonder why nobody on the estate gives them any co-operation.
They can take a hike, even when you do need them after you have your garage broken into on several occasions they never get a result and its left to you and the insurance company to foot the bill. Tax money well spent NOT.

Still can't do anything about it now, but next time ........ :mad:

[Glyn]

is there an appeal you can go through:puzzled:

[Ian]

Originally posted by skidlids

Anybody got one of those Bad <B>***</B> number plate thingies that flip up, I wouldn't mind getting hold of one.


be very careful with one of those, - if they even see it on your bike they will take away you numberplate, therby loosing your registration of the vehicle, you will have to re-register as a Q plate. My opinion is that this is seen as red rag to a bull and asking to get yourself into more trouble.

I think there is a major clamp-down going on right now with bikes due to the type of "Fast Bikes cover shot" / "Mad Count" mentality, and then given rising accident rates, you can see the justification for the crusade. I know its not in vogue to say so but I think we have a duty as motorcyclists to clean things up a bit, - we have n't so as such all of us are paying the price for this sort of thing.

Perhaps understandably the Police cannot tell apart the gixxer boy racers from us old timers on our noisy Ducs. Might be wrong, but you might be paying the price for some looney on an R1 that went by that policeman on his back wheel the day before.

[BDG]

Kev,
Sorry for you mate. Like everything there's good uns and tossers.

I got a good one in an unnmarked car who had me on video at 112mph on a country road, 60 limit, before i cleared off even quicker. He caught me 10 miles later when stopped in a layby for a fag, sowed me the vid and i thought i was done for, banned etc. Very nice copper gave me a fixed penalty. What a result.

However when my warehouse was broken into 3 times in 5 weeks (always saturday night between 8pm and 9pm) i was told by the police that they knew who was doing it but couldn't catch them! and no they didn't have the resources to stake it out on the odd Saturday night.

Also had a case of fraud for £2000 a couple of years ago which they said would take too much time to investigate for what it was worth!!!

Moral of the story pick your crime or hope you don't get a knobhead. I know one long term guy in the police who is sick of the job, masses of paperwork, and CPS, attitude of the courts when villains are nicked and he's just waiting for his pension.

Sorry you got one with no discretion but motoring offences are a very easy nick. Personally if it were me i'd have you beheaded for such a crime coz you've got more hair than me. :lol:

[bradders]

sorry mate, knew we should have not chatted for so long:(

[DC]

Mmmm,

I suppose at the end of the day. Apart from the sun setting. You were on the public highway with a dodgy rear tyre. So bang to rights officer!!:( But,.....................

I would have thought that at most, a HORT/1( produce your documents etc.) and some sort of Vehicle defect rectification notice would have been in order.

That way, you as the motorist get a ticking off and a chance to rectify it as soon as possible or at least within a set period of time. And the police get the message across and hopefully the traffic message sets in with the motorist. I suppose a bit of education. :saint:

But thats the way the cookie crumbles.:mad:

DC.

[skidlids]

Originally posted by Ian
I know its not in vogue to say so but I think we have a duty as motorcyclists to clean things up a bit, - we have n't so as such all of us are paying the price for this sort of thing.


So should we as a club denounce the use of Termis, open clutches, any number plate that doesn't conform, tinted visors, speeding of any kind and definately no wheelis, stoppies and other such antics. Maybe we should denounce the use of Super Corsas, Rennsports and alike on the road as it could rain on any day of the year in this country.
May be time to buy a Virago and join their owners club if that is the case.

I didn't have to produce MOT or Insurance which I find a bit odd considering the type of offence was a defect.

And I'd still like to know what this box relating to supervised driver having a tick in the yes box relates to.

I could well have been targeted because of some of the antics of the Gixer boys at the local Monday bike night but does that mean anybody returning home in the evening rush hour on a motorbike is a target. especially as most of the accidents around here in the morning and evening rush hours usually involve more than two wheels.

[Ian]

Originally posted by skidlids
So should we as a club denounce the use of Termis, open clutches, any number plate that doesn't conform, tinted visors, speeding of any kind and definately no wheelis, stoppies and other such antics. Maybe we should denounce the use of Super Corsas, Rennsports and alike on the road as it could rain on any day of the year in this country.
May be time to buy a Virago and join their owners club if that is the case.


skids I am certainly not saying we as club should do anything like that, far from it, which was why I put in the word motorcyclists. I believe people should be free to make their own choices.
I just think there is another side to the story of how we as a group (motorcyclists) are seen by non motorcyclists. Recently it has surprised me a bit when talking to non-motorcyclists who have not known of my interest in bikes; some of them really do hate us as a group. And in this day and age where the minority are brushed aside (ban of hunting with dogs) I think we perhaps need to just be aware. I think there has even been a recent Bike editorial that was saying the same sort of thing. I really do think that as a group (motorcyclists) are the best group of people you could come accross (even the gixxer boys), how many events could you get 120,000 people at without a single case of trouble? But the non motorcycling public (and non bike cops perhaps) just don't understand or see the positive, they only see the negative.

My own opinion is that loud bikes make for safer bikes; I am planning talking out my 2 catalytic convertors, putting pipes with removable baffles in so don't put me down for Mr PC.. yet.

[andyb]

It might be worth you checking what the local Force policy is for tyres in your area.

If like mine its VDRS first, you may well of been discriminated against, ie- why for one tyre that wasnt exceptionally bad did they go straight to EFPN. If it was that bad, i would of prohibited your bike!

By the mere fact you were allowed to continue on on the bike it couldnt of been that bad! and if it was are they leaving themselves open to allowing you to continue on on a dangerous bike?

It could well of been a probationer learning how to complete a EFPN ??

This would be the route i would go down, enquire, then complain sensibly!

[Henners]

Good advice Andy - seek the facts and if something isn't fair ask for it to be examined. A polite but firm approach often works well.

[deej]

to**ers

i got caught doing 77 in a 60 (bypass)last year in my car on the way to visit my dying gran in hospital. the devon n cornwall SPEED AND SAFETY AWERENESS UNIT were parked around a corner ona small flyover

£60 n 3points but did i get any SPEED OR SAFETY AWARENESS, did i heck just the option of the fine and points, i did try to appeal but they would only accept upon the proof of death document and i wasnt bothering my uncle for that, he'd just lost his mum

ive lost all respect for the police and tony blair now, to**ers the lot of them

[Paul James]

Hey Deej you surely ain't tryin to kid us that you EVER had any respect for that idiot Tony Blair !!!! :lol: He's one of the most dangerous people in the country!!!

[Paul James]

Originally posted by Nattyboy
nearly broke the sound barrier doing 72mph in a 70, and
Nat

So what about the 10% speedo error allowance ? surely that takes you to 77mph before a nick ?

[Rocker]

Originally posted by Ian
skids I am certainly not saying we as club should do anything like that, far from it, which was why I put in the word motorcyclists. I believe people should be free to make their own choices.
I just think there is another side to the story of how we as a group (motorcyclists) are seen by non motorcyclists. Recently it has surprised me a bit when talking to non-motorcyclists who have not known of my interest in bikes; some of them really do hate us as a group. And in this day and age where the minority are brushed aside (ban of hunting with dogs) I think we perhaps need to just be aware. I think there has even been a recent Bike editorial that was saying the same sort of thing. I really do think that as a group (motorcyclists) are the best group of people you could come accross (even the gixxer boys), how many events could you get 120,000 people at without a single case of trouble? But the non motorcycling public (and non bike cops perhaps) just don't understand or see the positive, they only see the negative.

My own opinion is that loud bikes make for safer bikes; I am planning talking out my 2 catalytic convertors, putting pipes with removable baffles in so don't put me down for Mr PC.. yet.

Ian I tend to agree with you a non motorcyclist out in his/her car for the day and see 50 motorcyclist 49 of whom are riding fairly sensibly & the other riding like a complete pratt. Which do you think they will remember and tell other people about. It won't matter much to them whether the pratt is riding a Gixer a Ducati or even a Deauville to them he will be just "another bloody mad motorcyclist"
As you said earlier the number of accidents is rising even( if it is not in proportion to the extra numbers of the bikes on the road) so the powers that be put pressure on the police to be doing something about it
Just as with football supporters it is the mindless few that get noticed and spoil it for the rest of us.
Brfore anyone accuses me of being a B.O.F. I am not suggesting we all ride around as though we are taking our CBT just that we use a bit of common sense as where and when we "really enjoy" our bikes performance

[BDG]

you're talking out of you're ar$se.

some of your posts are very good, concise, witty and amusing, and some like the most recent are complete boll0cks IMHO.

Some coppers are complete ****s, but equally so i've come across some very decent coppers.

You went thru all this **** once before and got banned, don't do it again mate just for the sake of one point. You've got more to contribute than just the anti fuzz bit.

Take some chill out pills mate.

You've got some radical views at times, and love ****ging off of boring old farts with kids, (like me) but when i was your age i wasn't even married never mind had kids.

I've read your posts about european dung foo champ, time in the big house, etc. I'm sure you've got a good story to tell, but i remember my sensai preeching humility, (not really a lesson i learnt that well eirther but from one gobshite to another in a moment of rationale! chill on the police front) I look forward to my black eye when we meet.

Still like most of your contributions:D

[Jewell]

nothing wrong with specials v-man:mad:

why the **** is v-man still here,hes gone back to being a complete ***** and should just **** off for good.

anyways.....
i just at the end of the day its just what mood the copper is in.

I've been pulled for having a bold tyre,just got a 7 day producer ticket to change my tyre and take it to the mot etc etc.

theres alot of good coppers out there,decent family men.Its just that one bad apple that ruins it for the whole lot.
Also i think being polite and a smile works some times.:saint:

[keefer]

i think skids should send a letter to the police asking why this was not delt with by way of a rectification notice, then get the tyre changed get the MOT and send it with the letter saying it has all been sorted,
unless you handed youre driving licence over already in which case its too late mate.

[Rocker]

I was amused coming through Bexhill on my way home from Findon.On the opposite side of the road was a van driver talking to a police officer. Behind the van was an unmarked police car with the blue lights in the grill flashing. It wasn't seeing someone caught that amused me but the T-Shirt that the guy was wearing. It had "Police" written in large letters followed by some smaller letting that I couldn't make out but I would bet next weeks wages were not complimentry. I bet the guy was thinking something along the lines of "Of the T-shirts I own why did I have to wear this one today" Even if the office had been considering letting him off with a warning I bet he didn't after that and who (with the obvious exception of one our members) could blame after coppers are human after all
Please note the last scentence is my opinion and not an invitation for certain people to post a load of messages containing a tirade of abuse about people that they don't know behind the uniform

[skidlids]

Well as far as attitude goes I was polite I pulled up where directed and removed my helmet and Yes i was probably older than all the coppers. I was polite, I have a good relationship with all the police at work (yes they are a proper constabulary gaurding the Atomic Energy sites) so I know how to behave. But what is the point of treating them decent when they can't be bothered to do the same especially the traffic division.
It would probably cost to much to fight this in court and as I have a clean Licence with only one other offence in over 25 years and that was another petty one 7 years ago I can't see as its worth it.
Pay the fine take the points and view all coppers in a different light from now on, if they're going to tar me with the same brush as the idiots that wheelie up and down all evening at bike nights I may as well tar them all with the same brush.
I chatted about the incident with my dad (79 tomorrow) and I can see he has little respect for the police these days so that just about says it all for me, bet he's glad he fought for his King and country even if it was only for a year.

[guest1]

Originally posted by Rocker
I was amused...

I too was amused, when I saw a snippet on the teletext:

Robocop (Ray Mallon), he of zero tolerance and now elected mayor of some town somewhere ower nor'east, was caught doing 72mph......in a restricted roadworks 50mph area.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
I believe his only comments were something like:"I was speeding, I got caught. I'll take the 3 points and the fixed penalty".
I'm guessing he hasn't got a "get out of jail" card anymore.
:lol::lol:

[andyb]

Have you not enquired about the Force policy re offering you a VDRS prior to EFPN?
If thats the policy why did they not offer it to you? I would of been chasing this up rather than going to the bmf....

I have to say the King and Country bit, is a bit over the top!

[skidlids]

Sorry Andy but I made commitments to other people this weekend and didn't want to let them down, besides why should I let the incident spoil one or my few weekends off.

I will make enquireies into who to talk to about the policy of the TVP traffic division on this.
And ask other questions like why did the officer writing the ticket not check the tyre tread deapth himself instead of getting my details while his mate did it with out me watching as I have now realised he may have measured where the wear indicator is, as this gives a less than 0.1mm reading but can still be felt to be lower than the surrounding tyre by just rubbing your finger over the area. Along with also asking who was supposedley supervising my driving as he ticked the box to say I was supervised.

As for King and Country bit, it may be a bit over the top but true none the less. I'm sure his generation expected things ........ Deleted the next couple of paragraphs... too much of a rant

[andyb]

It may be worth going to or, ringing either the Traffic (Operations) dept or even trying to pin someone down at the Headquarters concerning Policies and proceedures.

If, and i would suspect their Policy will be vdrs unless it is so dangerous, (and your defence here is, clearly it wasnt or you would of been Prohibited), then efpn.

If this is the case then i would look to speak to a duty Inspector, or sgt and make an Official complaint. Have you kept THE tyre.

Of course it may not go anywhere but is surely worth a try?

[desmojen]

Skids, I can't see how you can accept being done for a bald tyre if it wasn't even down to the wear bars mate.
As for all the anti police stuff, bear in mind fellas, like all the services these days, they suffer from being under manned and under funded and yet have an ever heavier work load placed on them. With this in mind, it's easy to see why some of them come across a bit high and mighty sometimes :)

[Public NME]

Vman,

I have changed my mind about soem of the police now.

A friend was out riding with his buddy at a about 60mph sees a car parked up behind a hedge. Thinks nothing more of it but it is obvious there is trouble ahead as everyone coming the other way is signalling. Friend pulls over to discuss with buddy is it worth going on with obvious trouble ahead. A bout a minute later an unmarked car pulls up with one PC inside and says they were speeding after they passed him doing 62 on the gun then accelarated. Shows laser gun with 83 at 1100 ft away plus. says he is going to do both, how can he have goth both bikes going away? Hitting both bikes at that distance. On checking the paperwork buddies see that different locations on the same road given, wrong CC on for one bike, producer asked for MOT ofr one bike which didn't need it, also class given as m/cycle when tax disk and DVLA says bicycle.

Are these buddies just another statistic or will they get a fair hearing if they decide to take it to the magis. to dispute location, sloppy paperwork and PC not following ACPO laser guidelines. e.g. Not 10ft from roadside, not clearly visible to target vehicle, etc.

P NME

[rcgbob44]

I got pulled a few years ago and could actually prove the copper was lying!

The simmons was incorrect, wrong speed limits wrong registration even. I pleaded not guilty and the magistrate orderded that the summons be re issued with the correct details on it, cost me £60 & 3 pionts.

And the commisioner wonders why the public do not like police officers, money collectors all of them, no impartiality.

:flame::flame::flame:

[BDG]

Talking of crap summons one of our company Ford Transits (non turbo diesel) got gatsoed at 145mph in a 30 limit.

who says the camera never lies!