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where do you guys get all your show plates from, mine fell off yesterday on the way home from collecting my bike, i now ahve a temporary one made froma old plate ( with the white showing ) and some black door letters
i called in to bridge yesterday and they wouldnt help,they said they make them and i need 2 forms of i.d and bike documents, i gave them the v52, my d-licence and passport and they said thatw as unacceptable. i had to have licence OR passport and a utility bill :devil:, they wont be getting any money off me again, they wouldnt budge even though i could have been pulled and had a £60 or more fine, some customer service they provide.
halfords do plates but they get them made up country so they wont be getting my order either, so now i'd just like to know how you would recommend to a decent plate with maybe a small shadowy ducati logo
rant over :(
cheers
rockhopper
17-Oct-2004, 18:27
Any shop that makes plates with the legal font will ask you for the same details, its the law now so dont blame Bridge.
Show plates can be had from various companies who advertise in the back of MCN, MAL plates are one.
V5 and photo i.d. should be enough to get a plate made. Sounds like Bridge were prob going a bit ott!
I get show plates made up from www.run2.net
rockhopper
17-Oct-2004, 19:43
Nope, thats not enough. I got one made at Halfrauds, they wanted a utility bill as well and they had to enter all my info into an online data base. A phone bill wasnt good enough! Had to be gas or electric.
bradders
17-Oct-2004, 20:12
what if you lived at home with your parents, no utility bills, no credit cards, just the v5 and driving license??? and we pay taxes to keep this bunch of idiots in power!:flame:
yeah thats fair enough i accept the law but which is worse not having a bill on me or riding with 150 miles with no number plate at all. a passport and driving licence is surely better than a licence and a crappy gas bill, they wont even accept mobile phone bills anymore
all i wanted to do today was show of my new baby but i was too embarresed as i had to use a old plate with tacky lettering
roll on later in the week when the new plate arrives
p.s. how do i stop the bolts vibrating loose as that happen this afternoon too
here here
trouble is that we can vote one lot out and then vote another lot of idiots back in again
Deej - try being AK!
He is always losing plates off the special, and now also 'mashing' the one on the viffer too!:o
Unfortunate thing is, he makes the plates at work - so knows what the consequences are.
Having chatted to a nice policeman the other week - he agreed what a prob it is becoming, for the law-abiding citizen.
Dont do what happened to AK in May:
eg: lose your plate, when well away from home on a bank hol Sunday early eve. No shops open to make one, not all the correct docs with you either - so you cant get one made up on the Monday on the way home, cos local Halfrauds/factor cannot do it!
Imagine if it had happened on the first day of the four that we were away!
You now HAVE to travel illegally home - which could have disastrous consequences for your license:(
AK says in future if away overnight, he is going to carry a spare in a back pack, and we now also keep a spare in the garage, for each bike.
C
I got mine from http://www.fancyplates.com
No need to supply anything, just tell them the reg and give them £15 - £20 and 3 days later, plate through the letterbox. Simple and sorted.
[Edited on 17-10-2004 by ath748]
Originally posted by ath748
I got mine from http://www.fancyplates.com
No need to supply anything, just tell them the reg and give them £15 - £20 and 3 days later, plate through the letterbox. Simple and sorted.
[Edited on 17-10-2004 by ath748]
cheers ath thats what im looking for, even quicker than what halfords can do it in
ck cheers for the advice, that was what was worrying me. i didnt want to pay £60+ for something as silly as that, the loud cans, the dark visor i would have accepted the fine on but a fine for trying to solve a problem would ahve been a bit silly.as ive said above i understand the law and think its a good one but refusing someone who has 2 i.d's is stupid and unnecessary in my eyes :flame:
rockhopper
17-Oct-2004, 21:30
Sorry mate but they didnt refuse you. They had no option, they have to comply with the rules, they have to fill in the database and log every plate they sell. You cant expect them to break the law for you can you?
Road Runner
17-Oct-2004, 21:34
Got mine at the bike show cost £15.00 took 10 mins :lol::lol:
rockhopper
17-Oct-2004, 21:35
Yeh, i got a non legal one easily on the net as well.
no but whats more personal than bike documents,a passport and a driving licence, i mean how important is a silly gas bill, will they accept that customs NO but will they accept a passport YES the law makers in this country are stupid, 2 genuine forms of i.d should be enough
its really annoyed me as you can tell :lol: all i wanted was a legal requirement number plate :burn:
rockhopper
17-Oct-2004, 21:37
Ah but thats not the shops fault is it? I know you are annoyed and i understand why but the shop was only obeying the law.
yeah, its the law thats the main problem, i just cant get my head around wanting a gas bill instead of a passport, strange law in my opinion
cheers
dave
p.s. are you a cop or in the legal profession, phew just checked your location as i thought you may work at bridge hee hee
skidlids
17-Oct-2004, 22:40
I always use Mal plates, they will only sell you a show plate with out you providing them with ID, but if your sensible and go for the plate size just 1/2" down on the legal one it looks near enough right and isn't a blattant two fingers up at the coppers.
Failing that just get them done in the Isle of Man, no ID required and nice 3 legged loggo on one side.
cheers skidlids, thats my paln, nothing over the top, the pipes draw enough attention to thebike without a ridiculously small plate too.
i just want/need 1 that i can add my website address to the base of and make it legal to ride the bike again
cheers
skidlids
17-Oct-2004, 22:50
Mal will happily add a logo on the bottom
on my 916 and 998 I have Ducati Sporting Club
and on my R6 I have 21st Junior TT 2003 along with a Manx flag
all from Mal Plates
have just ordered 1 from them, got my slogan and a shadowy duc corse logo behind, got to be better than the temporary one ive got there at the moment
Only one word of warning from AK about the plates:
If you have a bike REGISTERED since April 04, you should have the correct size plate & spaced & sized letters. If not, Mr policeman may poss bring this into question if you are asked to stop.
C
weeveetwin
18-Oct-2004, 09:58
Deej
A recent utility bill places you at a known address, whereas your passport/licence etc may be a little out of date. That way, when you (and your plate) are caught on camera doing 31mph in a 30 limit, they know exactly where to collect the funds. Ho hum. Just a thought..
rockhopper
18-Oct-2004, 09:58
No i dont work for Bridge, dont even know where they are!
We got a plate with funny spaced letters for Lynns car from Mal a while back. No id needed.
Deej,
As far as keeping the plate on (I also have had the same problem), either use sticky tape on the nut side (oooooh) or drill a small hole in the screw bit behind the plate after you have tightened them and pass a thin bit of wire through the hole. Even if the nut works loose it'll still stay on.
By the way, I also tried PTFE tape on the thread but it didn't work.
;)
ive seen those funny shaped car plates, quite different and good way of using the law to suit yourself
cheers guys,
surely if your passport matches your driving licence its no different to a gas bill, mines all upto date as i only moved house 4 months ago
hey it dont matter as i have 1 ordered from malplates and didnt get caught by the police, i was just angry thats all, at the end of the day i still have my first ducati in the garage and thats what counts
DJ Tera
18-Oct-2004, 17:42
Ahem :saint:
http://www.aowe55.dsl.pipex.com/legal.JPG
"Sorry officer but you know how vibey twins are, the reg plate fell off earlier and rather than ride around TOTALLY illegally I thought I'd make a plate up til I get around to it tomorrow morning"
Hey they didnt do me for it when they pulled me for a chat about my "progressive riding" at 3am this morning :lol::lol:
I'm not sure if its reflective enough to show up on GATSO though ;)
[Edited on 18-10-2004 by DJ Tera]
another side to this (perhaps over zealous) behaviour of dealers supplying plates is that they can I believe be held responsible or accesory's to a crime.?
A guy I worked with had his bike number plate cloned which I believe is an enormous problem within the UK, (and the reason why i would never post a picture on this site showing a bike number plate (lets not make it easier than it is for them)). The criminal sees your bike matching the stolen one he has in his lock up and makes up a plate to match your one that he has just seen passing by. It being an actual plate matching the bike description he is less lilkely to be stopped on a suspect check up. Anyway back to the story of the guy i worked with: He was arrested for hit and run and given that it later turned out that the pedistrian was killed and he could not initially remember his whereabouts at the time of the accident he was in serious trouble until he could prove that it was not him. The responsibility was on him to prove that he was his innocent given that the bike involved in the hit and run matched exactly the bike he owned.
that bad but its how low some people will go in this country
my cousin got a letter through from kent police charging her with dangerous parking or something stupid, probelm being we live in cornwall and she had to prove her innocence, luckily she married a traffic cop and they were at the policemans ball the night of the alleged offence so had 50+ cops as witnesses,its now going through proceedings but i think she'll be ok on this 1
This may not be popular with those with something to hide but the need to prove identity would be much easier if the idea if National ID cards went ahead.After all we already have ID numbers. In my job I often need people to prove their identity and such a card would make it easier both for them and me
I am sure I will now get flamed by at least one certain member;)
sounds good to me as it saves the hassle ive had trying to make my new bike road legal again
it would also stop all the other dodgy things like no car insurance, no tax, any convictions and stuff, would be okay with me
On the subjecy of no car insurance I like the idea that have in Fire where cars display an insurance disc as well as a tax disc. After all the insurance can expire a few days after the tax disc is issued
Originally posted by skidlids
I always use Mal plates, they will only sell you a show plate with out you providing them with ID, but if your sensible and go for the plate size just 1/2" down on the legal one it looks near enough right and isn't a blattant two fingers up at the coppers.
Failing that just get them done in the Isle of Man, no ID required and nice 3 legged loggo on one side.
Is there anywhere that we can buy them on line from I.O.M.?
ordered it from malplates on monday afternoon and was through my letterbox this morning, thats what i call service
looks quite cool too
rockhopper
21-Oct-2004, 09:57
The biggest problem with insurance is that some people dont have any. So why not include third party insurance in with the road tax? Then if you want more like fully comp you are free to pay extra if you want. On the tax disk on the screen you have an expiry date so its obvious to anyone that you've got insurance.
Originally posted by rockhopper
The biggest problem with insurance is that some people dont have any. So why not include third party insurance in with the road tax? Then if you want more like fully comp you are free to pay extra if you want. On the tax disk on the screen you have an expiry date so its obvious to anyone that you've got insurance.
Good idea except that the Tax and Insurance don't always run out at the same time which is why as I said I like the method that they use in Eire (even if I did mistype it in my previous post) where they display an insurance disc along with the tax disc
skidlids
21-Oct-2004, 10:07
Originally posted by Rocker
Is there anywhere that we can buy them on line from I.O.M.?
Not sure I will try and find out.
My mate Adrian who has raced my bikes at the TT the last few years always gets his plates there when his girlfriend returns home to visit her parents as she's a Manx lass. I will ask her.
Thanks I would appreciate that
rockhopper
21-Oct-2004, 20:52
Originally posted by Rocker
Originally posted by rockhopper
The biggest problem with insurance is that some people dont have any. So why not include third party insurance in with the road tax? Then if you want more like fully comp you are free to pay extra if you want. On the tax disk on the screen you have an expiry date so its obvious to anyone that you've got insurance.
Good idea except that the Tax and Insurance don't always run out at the same time which is why as I said I like the method that they use in Eire (even if I did mistype it in my previous post) where they display an insurance disc along with the tax disc
What i meant was that the road fund licence also includes third party only insurance as part of the yearly fee. If you want fully comp then you buy that yourself. That way there would be no chance of being crashed into by an uninsured driver.
Its a system they have in operation in Australia, you get a new sticker for the windscreen each year, and no need to buy insurance unless you want to. The vehicle is insured rather than the driver.
Would that mean if I sold my bike after say 6 months the new owner would get 6 months insurance that I have paid for?
rockhopper
22-Oct-2004, 09:40
Yes it would but i guess you could claim it back like you can do for road tax now.
How would the charges be calculated.As an old fogey I really don't want to be paying the same as some of you youngsters.At the miment I'm paying approx £200 fully comp on the Multistrada & £94 fully comp on the Deauville. I'm sure the system you suggest would cost me at least that( probabley more) for just third party
Don't bother with a plate AFAIK it's only a £30 fine and no points.
If you get caught too many times you can get done for a more serious offence.
The Halfrauds staff I have dealt with a few times have no idea and I have got plates made on two occasions without the proper paperwork.
The prob now is that yer local hodlum doesn't bother to buy plates they just nick 'em off another vehicle.
That way they stay invisible to speed cameras and other technology the Police are getting more and more reliant on.
Scrap tax discs, put the tax on fuel try dodging road tax then.
As for insurance get the ins. companies to issue a disc rather than a certificate.
Rather than whinge on here about daft laws write to your local MP. They are pretty much duty bound to reply and they need a wake up call in their Ivory towers aftert the latest Junket you have paid for.
Ray
Originally posted by Rocker
How would the charges be calculated.As an old fogey I really don't want to be paying the same as some of you youngsters.At the miment I'm paying approx £200 fully comp on the Multistrada & £94 fully comp on the Deauville. I'm sure the system you suggest would cost me at least that( probabley more) for just third party
The system is based on the engine capacity and what state you are in but the government has deregulated it after it's introduction because they were effectively price fixing it.
The system works well and the idea behind the third party insurance is that it follows the registration and becomes a cost viewed in the same way as MOT for a car here - it's an assett sold with the vehicle. You could cash it in but you would effectively be taking your vehicle off the road (SORN style) and it would be less attractive to potential purchasers.
The car you bought to replace it would have insurance as well so it's a roundabout. A good system if you ask me.
antonye
22-Oct-2004, 12:22
Originally posted by Ian
A guy I worked with had his bike number plate cloned which I believe is an enormous problem within the UK, (and the reason why i would never post a picture on this site showing a bike number plate (lets not make it easier than it is for them)). The criminal sees your bike matching the stolen one he has in his lock up and makes up a plate to match your one that he has just seen passing by. It being an actual plate matching the bike description he is less lilkely to be stopped on a suspect check up. Anyway back to the story of the guy i worked with: He was arrested for hit and run and given that it later turned out that the pedistrian was killed and he could not initially remember his whereabouts at the time of the accident he was in serious trouble until he could prove that it was not him. The responsibility was on him to prove that he was his innocent given that the bike involved in the hit and run matched exactly the bike he owned.
This happened to a guy I know about 10 years ago. He bought a car out of one of the boy racer magazines, a really nice black Escort RS Turbo. Lovely it was, only a couple of years old, a few nice mods and was pretty quick.
One morning as he got into his car he was rushed by a dozen policemen, many of them armed, and dragged off to the cells.
It eventually turned out that some robbers up north had copied the plates from the registration shown in the advert and put them on a nicked car which was exactly the same - they then went and did an armed robbery in it!
Suffice to say he had a hard time proving his innocence until his workmates verified that he had been there all day at the time of the robbery.
so that means as a rider with over 40 years experiance I would be paying the same as someone who passed their test yesterday.I hardly think that is right.I still feel that the need to display an insurance disc would work just as well and still give us the right to shop around.Can't you just imagine Gordon Browns delight if he had the chance to set the insurance rate for every vechile in the country. It would make the fuel tax & council tax seem cheap
Originally posted by Rocker
so that means as a rider with over 40 years experiance I would be paying the same as someone who passed their test yesterday.I hardly think that is right.I still feel that the need to display an insurance disc would work just as well and still give us the right to shop around.Can't you just imagine Gordon Browns delight if he had the chance to set the insurance rate for every vechile in the country. It would make the fuel tax & council tax seem cheap
Well, maybe I'm not the best person in the world to explain this but the government doesn't set the price, insurance companies do. The insurance component is quite cheap and you have a choice of insurers.
Interestingly enough, in Aus we have council rates which is similar to council tax here the only difference being who pays it. If you rent a house it is the responsibility of the house owner to pay rates, not the tenant. So I pay council tax for my rented house in Twickenham and council rates for the house I own in Brisbane.
The insurance rate might be quite cheap in Aus but remember this is rip off Britain. If the government are going to loose the income from road tax they are going to be putting it on something else. I'm still not clear if everybody would pay the same ammount or whether it would vary according to experiance.Personally I still feel the method used in Eire would be much simpler and fairer.
jim flynn
23-Oct-2004, 20:32
This has got to be the most ridiculous idea any of those **** heads has ever came up with. Does it stop someone cloning plates? No it doesn't. Plates that are not road legal can be made up with no ID required. Does the Gatso know that it has taken a picture of a plate 2mm narrower than your legal plate? No it doesn't. Does the eyewitness to the robbery or accident note the size of plate or font? No they don't. Does the law abiding citizen trying to get a number plate get ****ed about by ridiculously stupid, ineffective, poorly thought out legislation that no doubt cost the taxpayer several hundred thousand pounds to have dreamed up, administrated and enforced? Yes they flaming well do! :mad: Should the buffoon that came up with this idea be hung drawn and quartered and fed to the pigs? Damn right they should! And before that they should have their number plates nicked when on the start of their caravan holiday 500 miles from home. Scumbags.
Can you get UK legal plates made up without the need for ID? Yes, get them in Northern Ireland or the Isle of Man in person or online.:mad::mad:
Yes this subject does annoy me a little. :frog:
here here
i iknow your feelings all too well
cant argue with the service i got from malplates, delivered in 48hours, yeah it maybe slightly illegal but its a plate
why are those of you who want a legal plate made looking at the i.o.m or n.ireland surely your just as well to take your documents to your local dealer and get it made up
Originally posted by deej
why are those of you who want a legal plate made looking at the i.o.m or n.ireland surely your just as well to take your documents to your local dealer and get it made up
The inconveniance of having to find the time to get to the dealers
jim flynn
23-Oct-2004, 21:30
Fair enough take the right docs with you to Halfords or wherever. I went for a plate knowing you needed your V5 and some ID so off I go with my V5, driving licence, credit cards and my Army ID. Proof of ownership, address, signature and photo ID. Was it acceptable, no it flippin wasn't. Off I go home to get a bank statement for proof of address so the spotty little oik behind the counter can see my finances. Have to bring a passport as my Army ID is no good, obviously fake passports don't happen do they. If I had had one of those photo driving licences that would have done too but why should I pay for a new licence when there is nothing wrong with my old paper one. No-one likes this legislation except the berks who came up with it in the first place. If anyone thinks that it makes a blind bit of difference to criminals at all they want their head examining and a good dose of common sense beaten into them. I need to lie down before I burst an artery.
If you don't have a photo style driving licence or a passport then what is the alternative to getting plates on line or from outside mailand UK?
rockhopper
23-Oct-2004, 22:25
Oh and another point to remember, if you get a non legal plate from MAL for your car just because you dont want to supply all the correct documents to Halfrauds etc then chances are it will fail its next MOT. Our car failed becasue the BS number was missing from the plate! Thats the only thing it failed on. We just blu tacked the original plates over the top and took it back. Passed no problem.
blu tack
now were gettign technical
i used a rear view mirror sticker to hold my homemade plate in place
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