View Full Version : WTF 12month service!
Have our favourite service location got this wrong at £435+ vat, for a 999r 12 month service?
Rattler
04-Jan-2005, 21:05
Cheap at half the price!!!!!:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled::barfy::barfy ::barfy:
Not bad for a oil change :mad:
electricsheep
04-Jan-2005, 21:09
Not sure about the 999r, but the 749r is a full service inclding belts every 12 months, so that is a good price
License to print money..... i say
Rattler
04-Jan-2005, 21:16
You'd best sell 'er quickish like!!!
That would keep one of those cheap kawasaki's serviced for years :P:P
Does anyone know where to find the content of the 12 month service.ie what it entails? Is it different for an R?
yea dseered this is the problem i have, my 2003 749 has only done 600 miles, does this mean it really has to go in for the 2 yr service in april or can i just put it toward some Termi's :flame:
/Ian
It would be nice to see a definative list of whats done at what stage....
Bianchi
04-Jan-2005, 22:19
You bought a thoroughbred.
Now treat it like a throughbred.:devil:
Shame Ducati didnt have that attitude eh ....
1 year or 6000 miles which ever comes first.
Maybe ?
GsxrAge
04-Jan-2005, 22:35
No different to a car except the price!!!!!!!
most services on cars are 6'000 / 6 months interim service or 12'000 / 12 mounths.
low milage can be worse than high milage.
Stop start and then left parked up for week or two aint any good. there is moisture in the air it gets into the engine and can stick to the bores, it mixes with the oil to.
Put it another way you jump out of bed it takes a while for your body to warm up and get going and you feel stiff.
Your engine is the same untill the oil gets warmed up it ain't doing it's job properly.
I have a very good mate that owns a Ducati garage (not official) i get mates rates there. I do the donkey work the to the technical stuff:cool:
But I do most of the work myself at home anything to keep the Ducati experence as low cost as possible.
Ps I bought a peugeot 307 20,000 miles or 2 year service intervals :lol::lol::lol:
[Edited on 4-1-2005 by AGE996]
[Edited on 4-1-2005 by AGE996]
Ps I bought an Audi, it tells you as and when it needs a service, and the amount of potential time left prior to that service.
Looking at my service coupon, it says every 10000 (ive done 2000) or 12 months,
new plugs, new air filter,(well ive got the race ones) fuel filter, oil filter, and oil. Then a load of check and or lubricate stuff!
Timing belts are C Check, but there is check the valve clearances, which is a bit of a pain.
Hmmm....
electricsheep
04-Jan-2005, 22:46
Originally posted by dave w
That would keep one of those cheap kawasaki's serviced for years :P:P
You might be surprised. IL4 servicing goes
cheap
cheap
expensive
cheap
cheap
oh my god, how much
of course the ducati is still more, but the gap is less than you might think if you do high mileages
So as my service book doesnt appear to have any different schedule in it to any other 4 valve....
Fuel filter £10
Plugs £20
Oil filter £6
Oil £20
Dont need air filters
= £56
even £40 per hour would give 10 hours to do the work. :barfy:
electricsheep
04-Jan-2005, 22:59
I thought that the 6000 mile/1 Year Service on a 749R or 999R was a belt change, but I just checked my service book and it does not say that.
I can't remember where I saw/heard that it was a belt change.
GsxrAge
04-Jan-2005, 23:25
996 is every 2 years :D
My old 999s belt change was due at 2 years...so must be the same for the R ??
dickieducati
04-Jan-2005, 23:33
Originally posted by andyb
It would be nice to see a definative list of whats done at what stage....
its in your service book isnt it ???
forget my comment above, answered before i'd read all the posts. and anyway, just pay up and look good.
[Edited on 4-1-2005 by dickieducati]
I have been waiting months to say this!!!
so i'm gonna get my arse kicked again:lol:
Well what is it really about Motorcycles and Motorcycle Mechanics and shops?????????????
Put A DUCATI in the equation and WOW ;)
well Andy B !!
Are you right or are you wrong?
well of course your right!!
ok then a painter and decorator Puts paint on the walls and paints !
is that right???????????:)
Is he a specialized painter who uses his brush differently to his mate who is a painter also?
Does he bollox ! he's a painter:
so lets see
Driver is a driver?
secretary is a secretary?
machinist is a machinist?
Window fitter is a window fitter?
But when it comes to a bike mechanic WOW
He must be a genius
WHY?
because the amounts you wanna pay him!"!!!!!:D
Oil is oil
filters are filters
plugs are plugs
etc etc
you would be amazed who makes what for whome!!!
Suck sqeeze bang blow!!!!
remember the combustion engine !!
guess what it's still around but people have put on some pheriferals ! it's now dressed up like a computer!!
it's still a combustion engine
;)
just get a mechanic who you trust to do it !!
as for keeping ya warranty book up to date
ask my mate who just lost £6000 in 9 months and 1540 mileson his 999R
residual value ???????
Think about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Tin Helmet on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, mav
:lol::lol:
GsxrAge
04-Jan-2005, 23:38
Well said mate
I'm a mechanic by trade all engines are about the same the only thing extra is the specialist service tools
I totally agree. what price for a poxy stamp?
and i still aint had a fag !
do u understand mate ! :lol::lol::lol:
Im motor vehicle part1/ part 2 and ........I would just love to trust someone else, but I cringe when i go into "local" dealers near me!
How are your nails...and i dont mean the 996..:lol::lol::lol:
dickieducati
04-Jan-2005, 23:43
you can always go and but a pile of jap crap and save a few pennies.;)
to be fair for a lot of us by the time you add in 'extras' such as slipper clutches, trackday bodywork, termi's, pcIII's, carbon this, carbon that, tyres, trackdays, etc etc etc it probably doesnt make too much difference to the overall cost of ownership.
do ya wanna pop over here and say it ? do ya ! do ya well bloody do ya!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::o:o:o:o:o:D:D:D ;):smug::smug:
GsxrAge
04-Jan-2005, 23:45
I do most of the stuff myself and if it does go to a dealer i hang around to keep an eye on my baby:lol:
ok boys here you go - and mine is a 2 valver - M1000Sie
annual service (1st year) for 6000 miles includes:
Replace Plugs, air filter, fuel filter, oil filter & oil.
Clean fuel tank
check carbs (balance injectors), belts, cyl compression, throttle body, wheel hub bearings, play in steering head bearings, valve clearance, rear wheel cush drive, brake pads wear, tyre wear & pressure.
Remember, if you do not keep to the correct servicing intervals, Ducati will not honour any problems that arise from this.
Belts are changes & shims checked & adjusted if required at 12,000 miles/2 years - more expensive service.
Am being charged £250 (this does not include oil & filter as done during warranty work last month, not does it include spark plugs, as AK is supplying them)
I thought this was a lot, compared to the first annual on the M750 - but having called 3 dealers & 2 independants its about right. It is about £100 - £150 less than is charged by a southern Ducati store tho.
your faired bikes will cost more as fairings need to come off - this is what takes the time!
Am sure nelly will be along to talk more.
C:)
[Edited on 4-1-2005 by CK and AK]
Carbs...... what are they ! :puzzled::puzzled:
Originally posted by dave w
Carbs...... what are they ! :puzzled::puzzled:
potato
pasta
bread
Originally posted by dave w
Carbs...... what are they ! :puzzled::puzzled:
Those fitted to you're honda........... CHAV! :frog:
Originally posted by CK and AK
meant injectors!:P
Meat injectors:lol:
Mav go have a fag mate..... you know that foods no good for you :P:lol::lol:
WET WET WET !
or is it gimmie gimmie Temptation:P
Originally posted by flanker
Originally posted by dave w
Carbs...... what are they ! :puzzled::puzzled:
Those fitted to you're Hon..hon..hon..unrecognised word ........... CHAV! :frog:
which one ! :P:P:P
the spunkyblade
not the type r granny car
[Edited on 5-1-2005 by flanker]
Make no mistake she's a beauty :P
Stop talking about you're mum.
Oh, shazz says hi!
Hello shazz :D
Think we need to get back to the orignal topic....... Andy just get your money out you bloody tight arse :P:P:P
Sorry, quite right Dave, enough of this gibberish. Sorry, I'm not sorry, erm damn...... errr Sorry........ I think!
Pays ya money Andy!
if i remember right my 998r got new belts every 12months or 6k whichever came first, i would just do it for piece of mind.
If you ride it:burn: then its worth it for warranty piece of mind.
If your not bothered about that then fook em!:eureka:
Todays task....find out if its belts or not!!!
Andy, for the cost of the belts-get them changed. Ducati service intervals are like most motor driven vehicles 6000 miles or 12 months whichever comes first-so doing 2,000 miles a year does not mean you don't need a service for 3 years 'cause you don't do the mileage.............
Take it somewhere you trust-JHP are not that far from you.
John
999R 6000m/12 month service quoted maximum cost as per Ducati transparent service manual used by all dealers is £395.80 plus VAT
This should be maximum cost and probably might be less as the list includes 4x opening shims@10.90 and 4x closing shims@31.50 which may not be needed depending on mileage and type of use
No belts on this service but it has air filters on there down to be changed @£27.99 each!!
Labour in the manual is 6hrs based at £40 ph so some dealers will be higher some lower for this figure
Ask your dealer to see their transparent service manual to see the schedules and cost breakdowns as they all have one.
Would have thought if you are planning to track day it you will be looking at more frequent servicing anyway as per race schedules i.e. checking valve shimming etc as it will get just as much if not more stick than if you were racing?
If you were racing you probably would have 2x 20 min races in a day but riding virtually all day on a track day -and dont say you wont be pushing it as much on a track day:devil:
So more costs involved there:o
Ah, had a heart to heart, and your right its the 395 jobbie. Incidentaly you 749r boys..... wake up smell the coffee and look how much your services are going to be... .gulp.
And get this 2003 749s 12 months or 10000 miles =£395
2004 749s.........................................= £600!!
Oh checked with jhp no belts on this service. Unless I want to change them!
Twinfan
05-Jan-2005, 20:21
2004 749s.........................................= £600!!
No!!!!!!! HOW much??? That can't be right, surely???
Originally posted by andyb
And get this 2003 749s 12 months or 10000 miles =£395
phew that aint as bad as i thought it was gonne be.
cheers andy.
/Ian
electricsheep
05-Jan-2005, 20:30
Originally posted by andyb
Incidentaly you 749r boys..... wake up smell the coffee and look how much your services are going to be... .gulp.
I have been quoted nearly £700, What does the Transparent Service thingy say ?
749r is, as you say, even more expensive!
749R 6000m/12 month service £689.20 plus vat
The reason the 749s and 749r 2004 are so high is because if closing shims need to be changed then the cylinder heads have to be removed as they use race type taper collets on these two models only.
The good news is that Ducati are expecting nearly double the mileage before any of the closing shims require changing so its highly unlikely that anyone should end up with a bill anywhere near the maximum cost shown,problem is dealers quote the figures from the book without explaining things
All R models should have belts every 12 months/6K miles whichever is the sooner according to Ducati schedules.
A good dealer will let you see the schedule.
The service is heading for 10 hours labour.
Don't try comparing boggo cars with a 999r.
Does your boggo mobile out 150 BHP per litre, get revd to 11k? and to get at the oily bits you don't have to take the bodywork or petrol/diesel tank off.
Most Franchised car dealers charge similar if not higher rates than Franchised Ducati dealers. Its just that yer average boggo mobile only takes a couple of hours or so to service and has much longer intervals for the reasons stated above.
If you must compare Ducati R model servicing with cars try something like an Evo Mitsi. Service every 4.5k miles, to really set your wallet back how about a set of brake pads all round £600 plus. On average very similar if not higher servicing costs.
You can try non gen parts in some areas e.g aftermarket brake pads or specialists but from what I have seen the good specialists don't charge a great deal less than A Franchised dealer. Choose someone you are happy with and if they give consistent good service stick with 'em
You can't run a Mitsi/Fazza/ on Peugeot 106 Money, so you can't expect to run an R on C90 money.
I used to use a Franchised dealer for servicing a '96 CBR 600 and the servicing costs were not that much less than a Ducati as the schedule was for service every 4k miles.
If you want to get your moneysworth out of the servicing make sure you do the 6K every year..........................like it says, get out and ride!
Ray
[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Ray]
I have to agree with Ray taking a 12000 mile year the difference in servicing cost between my MS ( 2x6000) & the ZRX1200R I had before (3x4000) is minimal.
To get value for your money get out and use the bike as it was intended i.e. ride the thing
No belts at 12 months...... Ive got the form in my hand.........
Andyb,
The form I have seen specifically mentions R Models. Are you sure there isn't another form for R models? 749/999 std models are belts @ 12k/2 years.
Maybe things have changed since the the days of the 748/996/998r but seeing as I saw the form for my 998r and that has the same motor as a 2003 999r I doubt it.
I was just as disbelieving originally and its was only when the job card got checked that someone with eagle eyes at the dealer noticed the difference between the job card and the Ducati schedule.
Ray.
butch890
06-Jan-2005, 20:24
To save any form of doubt buy a baby R ,have the kit fitted then its belts every 3000 miles .
See its as easy as that -no more do i need belts or not.SORTED !!!
Butch
Try having an aircraft serviced. Every 50 hours and every year in additon, PLUS a real biggy every three years.
Our last one was a "normal" one year service - £3800 plus VAT
Ducati servicing? pice o' p**s :puzzled:
Originally posted by yeti
Try having an aircraft serviced. Every 50 hours and every year in additon, PLUS a real biggy every three years.
Our last one was a "normal" one year service - £3800 plus VAT
Ducati servicing? pice o' p**s :puzzled:
Fine if you have the money then... :o
Originally posted by ath748
Fine if you have the money then... :o
I don't! :(
Yeti.... get your self a hot air baloon mate :lol:
Andy
Ask your dealer about a 'short' service. Valves checks according to my dealer are mileage dependant and not time dependant therefore do not need to be done until you reach 6,000 regardless of time. Last year this saved me about £150 on my 999s service as I recall and will do the same again this year (2nd year) as I have still only done £4,000. This is where most of the cost comes from particularly on the 'R' as someone has already pointed out.
Belts are not worth taking a chance with and as someone else said get them changed if that's what the book says even if you have done low mileage as their deterioration is time based and can be worse if the bike is not used regularly.
I hope this helps.
Henners
10-Jan-2005, 15:51
... ask Red-Leader, last full service on his 998 including belts and a compression check cost £1,000. Then a belt delaminated 50 miles later ending him up in all sorts of bother ... including 120 mile round trip to take the bike back ;) Ahhh the joys etc.etc.etc.
kwikbitch
10-Jan-2005, 17:33
Originally posted by Mr C
1 year or 6000 miles which ever comes first.
Maybe ?
Pooh!!!!!!.....I think I'm a bit late Ive done abaht 6 half since the last service. Looks like I better book a patch in the red light district then!;)
So thats what they mean about the red light coming on when you need a service! :o
STREWTH :o
749R wish i'd thought with my head and not my heart
moto748
11-Jan-2005, 21:25
Good job that the 749/999's are so much easier and cheaper to service than those old-fashioned 748/996's, isn't it?:devil:
butch890
11-Jan-2005, 21:43
Not so sure about that one ,the last 6000 service on my 748 cost over £7000 !!!
Butch
Well the bikes off tomorrow for the service, dyno and fettle!
Dyno and Fettle? are they an authorised Ducati dealer :D
Two new staff theyve taken on, well..............John is getting a bit old! :o:lol::lol:
Well, been there and had that service. In time honoured fashion i spent on more than just a service.............shhh, is she listening?
I have to say thanks to John, Ken, and the guys ( I now know they read this site!!) But i know i dont need to recommend them as we allready know how good they are!
I dont feel ripped off, as is often the case with some places, I came away (riding the bike for the first time since Sept) with a feeling of satisfaction, and a quality job done.
The bike pulls like a train with no hesistance and sounds as sweet as a sweet thing.
I had a bit of work done on the suspension plus a free set up. Having previously wasted money on a "set up" elsewhere, I was dubious about what difference i would feel.
Even with my limited knowledge and the amount of time since i rode the bike, It feels right.
Once again I spent an amount of time looking and listening to John. If i was that good and clever, I dont think i would impart with the knowledge as freely as he does.
So heres to my first track day this year.
butch890
24-Jan-2005, 22:02
I know that feeling Andy,i wonder if anyone has ever taken there bike in and JUST had what they had originally intended to have done.
I am always ok untill John starts a sentance with the word Corse.
Corse while were at it,and Corse if were going that far andCorse it wouldnt cost that much more to.........
You get the picture,i only took the 748 in for a new valve cap and hey presto 890 cc and as for the baby R.......!
it is fun spending money though isnt it, especially on bike things. Bought my 996R back and said to myself "just keep it standard this time, just a hugger and open clutch cover thats all. But, here we go cant help myself, so many nice things out there. oh what fun it is to spend on your favourite motor toy.:roll:
considering the price of the 2 year service i was quite worried about it as my 749s has only done 600 miles, so i went down to Ducati Glasgow and explained it had only done 600 miles and they told me what things would & would not need done, in the end they quoted me £300 for my service, Well worth giving ducati Glasgow a phone if your getting quoted alot and the bikes not done many miles.
theyre good guys in there and know what theyre doing.
/ian
[Edited on 26-1-2005 by weeian]
[Edited on 26-1-2005 by weeian]
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