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steve98r
04-Feb-2005, 23:19
Story go's like this, Bought a 998R sat, Old lady in a box wrote it of on sun, got compo, mayby buy new 999s or 998r AGAIN . Any advice , Love the look off the old 998r not to sure about the new 999s shape ? I know the 999s got all the new bling, but the 998 so much better looking ?
i prefere the old shape !
just my opinion:roll:
Depends - you wanna look at it all day and polish it, get a 998R.
If you wanna ride it, get the 999S! ;) :lol:
ericthered40
04-Feb-2005, 23:56
Franky said no and so should you:devil: you said it looks better your self:D
GsxrAge
05-Feb-2005, 00:20
998 mate
Don't want to go down the butt ugly route :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:
998 or a old 916sps foggy rep
I was in the same predicament a few months ago, ended up buying the 998R
You say that you once owned a 998R, so you must be spoilt then having all the trick bits that come as standard and the bike having that 'special' feel.
i prefer the 999 !
more modern.
/ian
998R except no substitute :)
999S...You know it makes sense.:
Clint.
smug:
DAVE HARRIS
05-Feb-2005, 11:01
Having both a 998R and a 999R (I know lucky bar steward), I can say without hestitation that the 998R is the bike to get.
Personally I love the plugged in feeling you get with the classic shape bike and the feel you get from the front tyre, the 999 is an easier bike to ride but feels remote to me and is not as comfortable (the seat pad is a lousy shape and filled with mahogany) on longer journeys. Also on the road the 999 is a licence loser the mirrors are a fecking disgrace absolutely useless!
last year I did less than 2000 miles on the 999, araound 4000 on the 998 and around 2000 on annettes sps and the same on our old 916 hack bike. To me that says it all
dave
ps get the squish set and the cams indexed properly, my 998 now wheelies off the throttle in second gear and is still on standard gearing, the best money i have spennt on the bike!! Shame i am too much of a numpty to be able to use it to use all the power all of the time
Nattyboy
05-Feb-2005, 11:46
8 everytime for me..assuming you can find one mate ?
Nat
dave harris you are 1 lucky bar steward :flame:
yea that's just to many iconic bikes for one man to have.
me jealous NOo
Nattyboy
05-Feb-2005, 12:11
I had a punter buy summat the other day..and he had;
Laverda Jota
MV F4 Oro
MV F4 Senna
MV F4 Ago
996SPS
955 Racing factory jobber
888SPS
RC30
NR750 Ho..ho..hon.. (£35k in the eighties as I remember...:o)
And he was mates with Castiglioni (which probably explains his desirable MV collection !!!).
Those sort of people you can REALLY go off..:lol:
Nat
forget the numbers just look at the shape, how can you ever match the old shape, never ever. :D
998r..............................999 motor in a proper wrapper and some bling as standard.
Ray
Originally posted by DAVE HARRIS
Having both a 998R and a 999R (I know lucky bar steward), I can say without hestitation that the 998R is the bike to get.
Personally I love the plugged in feeling you get with the classic shape bike and the feel you get from the front tyre, the 999 is an easier bike to ride but feels remote to me and is not as comfortable (the seat pad is a lousy shape and filled with mahogany) on longer journeys. Also on the road the 999 is a licence loser the mirrors are a fecking disgrace absolutely useless!
last year I did less than 2000 miles on the 999, araound 4000 on the 998 and around 2000 on annettes sps and the same on our old 916 hack bike. To me that says it all
dave
ps get the squish set and the cams indexed properly, my 998 now wheelies off the throttle in second gear and is still on standard gearing, the best money i have spennt on the bike!! Shame i am too much of a numpty to be able to use it to use all the power all of the time
Interesting............. so for you the 999 has no advantages over the 998??
Yeah, in terms of looks the 998's are sweeter but they must have improved some things in the 999's, right?
rcgbob44
07-Feb-2005, 13:44
Age996 has it right, don`t go down the butt ugly route, stick with the 998.
This is maybe in the wrong section???!! Post it up in the 749/999 section and you'll get a different response.
Maybe try the Ducati idle chat section???
I'm sure the 749/999 is better in some areas but a Ducati is bought as much to look at as to ride.
Ray.
dickieducati
07-Feb-2005, 13:52
yes good idea go for the outdated oldfasioned shape that isnt as easy to ride quickly.
Originally posted by dickieducati
yes good idea go for the outdated oldfasioned shape that isnt as easy to ride quickly.
If you want something new and easy to ride, buy a fireblade.
If you want something sexy, iconic and very rewarding get a 996/8
You're just annoyed because you've realised you made a mistake when you sold yours!
dickieducati
07-Feb-2005, 14:42
year right, mine was a R reg 916 with 107 bhp. would i swap it back? would i bollox. to be fair the 998R is a great bike and has pretty much the same engine as mine but with more kudos. just depends if you like the looks/ridability. i liked the 'fresh' look of the 999 from day one; unlike many; and dont think i would ever change back.
smilo006
07-Feb-2005, 15:09
Tried a 999 before buying my 996R. I was really disappointed, a real shame. It sounded like a Jap 4, the build quality was iffy. It looked and still looks unfinished rather than challenging. The rear end is just a mess. The side wings are of no practical use. If they were I guess at least one other bike in this world would use a similar system. For me it is no more comfortable. Spares cost a fortune.
In 2005, they still don't have it right but are too stubborn to admit it. Such a shame, it would not take a huge effort to sort it
8R. :burn:
998R everytime..its the only bike i would consider selling my 748R for.
smilo006
07-Feb-2005, 15:48
I guess the same principle in miniature form on the Aprilia. On the Duc I think the only reason for the wings is to give the impression of aggression as the front wheel looks to be pushed into the fairing. Mmmm form over function = crap anyway. Agree Weeksy.
Scottch
07-Feb-2005, 15:51
Steve,
It's a very personal choice mate, and a bit like comparing windows (999) and DOS (998) ;)
Cheers!
Scott
I'm a big fan of analogies but you have lost me on that one, never thought of software as a thing of beauty and if either the 998 or the 999 crashed as often as Billy Gates' stuff the hospitals would be full in minutes!!!
Everytime this topic comes up the opposite camps see the others opnion as some sort of offront to their personal taste and Judgement!!!
FFS I've got a 96 CBR6 in the garage, but so what, I like it!! I really don't care if anyone else thinks it's ugly, slow, doesn't handle etc , etc.
Ray.
I've never seen DOS crash and the final release was actually Gate's handywork, even then it wasn't all his .... he only owns windows, didn't write a single line of code on that one ...
But then again, are we talking about IBM DOS, MS-DOS ... or any other variant?
:frog: (we need a nerdy smilie with so many nerds in here ...)
My coat is already on ....
Scottch
07-Feb-2005, 16:13
Geek alert!
Ask Frankie Chilli which he prefers.......................................
A race bike on the road, not a roadbike on the track
dickieducati
07-Feb-2005, 16:33
yeah but he didnt win jack
Originally posted by m1keyp
Ask Frankie Chilli which he prefers.......................................
A race bike on the road, not a roadbike on the track
Fireblade init? :frog:
Scottch
07-Feb-2005, 16:36
Originally posted by m1keyp
Ask Frankie Chilli which he prefers.......................................
A new Fireblade apparently. :frog:
Scottch
07-Feb-2005, 16:36
lol, beat me to it!
rcgbob44
07-Feb-2005, 16:39
Coo this is getting good!:o
Hand bags at the AGM methinks!
Here's my view...
The 916 evolved through to the 998R, and yes it's an iconic bike and will be remembered forever, but sooner or later as with everything you hit the end of it's development, and it's time to do something new, and the 999 is it, like it or lump it, it's here to say, and then that will be replaced by the road going GP bike, we all know that will happen, and again that will be a revolution not evolution.
The 999 has done exactly like it's predessor and won 2 consecutive WSB titles, so that must speak for itself, you could have a whole host or arguements about that too.
You need to ask yourself what you want the bike for, the 998R is the ultimate within that range, as good as it gets (for a road bike), or do you get the 999S, probably better that the 998R, but doesn't have that iconic desirability
Absolutely no question its gotta be the 998R, i can't ever see the 999's being regarded as classic's.
Opening the garage and seeing a 999 must be like waking up next to Ann Widdacombe!
Disregarding the looks having riden 749/999 (not the r) and 996 SPS/R on the road, not the track the new one just doesn't do it for me, and as someone else pointed out the mirrors really are a joke. Must admit it may not be fair comparing SPS/R to standard 999 but.......
beancounter
07-Feb-2005, 17:07
Porsche tried to replace the 911 with the 4 cylinder and 8 cylinder cars. They were crap and nobody bought them. So they persevered with the 911 and today it is better than ever.
Ducati tried to replace the 916/748 with the 999/749 but they were crap and nobody bought them. Wouldn't it be great if they brought the 916/748 back ?
Steve, I bet you knew what you were going to get before you started this thread, go on admit it, go on, go on. The majority of people buy a bike because of its looks, secondly how it rides. I have a 996R, I absolutly love it, wouldnt change for anything.The 999 to me is a no go, straight away the looks killed it for me, others saw it and thought wow i want one of those. No amount of pursuasion (sp?) would change your mind. Get this one because of this, get that one because of that, just get the one YOU want. Now then, I think you should have the 998R, but who am I to sway you one way or other. as I have said your mind is already made up. Happy riding........on that 998R:lol::lol:
I guess its a bit different as you are looking at more comparable prices (or maybe even 998 being more money) and higher spec.
I have debated both (749r and 998s for me though) and although I love the old shape and really haven't come to terms with the new shape yet (its growing very slowly) I think that the new bike is obviously going to have some benefits such as still in warranty, newer technology etc.
Although the final decision for me has been price if it were down to a straight decision I think I may have gone for the 749r.
But.... having said that... in your case there would be no doubt! The 998r is iconic, stunning, best performance and has soul. The 999s is a great bike I am sure but it just doesn't compare if you want to have something you truly feel passionate about!!
The 916/996/998 are Iconic shapes, Show me another bike that takes up a residence in the Guggenheim. I love the cutting edge modern lines of the 999/749's these did have a hard act to follow. At the end of the day its a Ducati which is what matters.
Originally posted by jpmercer
Here's my view...
The 916 evolved through to the 998R, and yes it's an iconic bike and will be remembered forever, but sooner or later as with everything you hit the end of it's development, and it's time to do something new, and the 999 is it, like it or lump it, it's here to say, and then that will be replaced by the road going GP bike, we all know that will happen, and again that will be a revolution not evolution.
The 999 has done exactly like it's predessor and won 2 consecutive WSB titles, so that must speak for itself, you could have a whole host or arguements about that too.
You need to ask yourself what you want the bike for, the 998R is the ultimate within that range, as good as it gets (for a road bike), or do you get the 999S, probably better that the 998R, but doesn't have that iconic desirability
Well said Freak.....come on you lot...get with it its 2005 not 1985 :lol::lol:
Not saying the old one was a bad bike...But sometimes you just need to move on and have a change.
:cool:
999s without doubt the best bike iv'e owned.
simonducati
07-Feb-2005, 21:56
The 999 is not that bad, it’s just new and it’s got a lot to bet. I think it is like the new BMW’s, at the start most people tort what the f*+k, but now the look is growing on people.
The same with the 999 it hard to bet something so good and sexy, but it is a better bike. Ducati made bike for so long, there must be a reason for the change, just trust Mr ducati he did make the old shape and he’s bikes are the best.
Im sticking with my 748 for now. I call it taking my time to save up for the new one.
ericthered40
07-Feb-2005, 23:37
Why you should buy the 998r
1/ because when you open your garage your bike will not have to grow on you or anyone else
2/ because it was missing off the Ducati stand this year and so were most of the punters
3/ because the japs are coming this year and Franky coming with them.
(He’s an old git who didn’t win but he still cries when he duz)
4/ because it’s the work of a design genius employed by the Ducati factory
(You can see his latest work at MV)
5/ because every sports bike on the market has become a poor imitation of the original 916 design
6/ because Ducati may have to kick-start sales high’s of the nineties with changes of design to create a bike that evokes the shear joy of opening the garage door and seeing your one.
7/ because you don’t have to change with the times, you can ride the times that you liked
8/ because if you need more riding equipment than the 998r you need a sponsor
:cool::cool:
simonducati
07-Feb-2005, 23:49
:eureka::D thats good. Real good . I love it ok ok you got a good point. :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:
Originally posted by simonducati
... but now the look is growing on people...
You mean like a fungus?
DAVE HARRIS
08-Feb-2005, 10:14
Sorry its taken so long to reply to ducsoon? Query about the 999 having no advantages.
Annette absolutely loves riding the 999 but I dont think she would swap her 996sps for it. It took most of last summer for me to feel comfortable on the bike,it may be in my head but the front end felt remote and I coudnt commit as hard going into corners. The 999 is definately easier to ride on the road and may lap at the same pace as the 998 with less rider effort but if you cant trust the front end you end up going slower than you could. 180 miles on the 998 results in slight stiffeness in my kneck and knees both due to old injuries, the 999 is literally a pain in the butt after about 40 mph (and i have adequate personal padding).
The 999 has a multitude of advantages for ducati as a manufacturer, it was designed to be assembled from sub assemblies and the elecrical system is cheaper to manufacture and install. When ridden It is less prone to wheelie under power and the rear doesnt lift as much on hard braking but this may be due to the fact the factory set them up very flat with a low rear ride height.
personally I prefer the iconic shape of the 998 but that has nothing to do with my preferences, the 998 is in my opinion a safer road bike (mirrors!! on the 999) and for me a better track bike.
Its horses for courses, the only way to find what fits you personally is to badger a dealer into test rides on a 998 and a 999
dave spreading confusion with every phrase!!
dickieducati
08-Feb-2005, 10:49
Originally posted by DAVE HARRIS
. 180 miles on the 998 results in slight stiffeness in my kneck and knees both due to old injuries, the 999 is literally a pain in the butt after about 40 mph (and i have adequate personal padding).
loads of people complain about ducati's being a pain in the arse but i've never found this, and to be fair if you're riding for 180 miles with your arse in one position you're not riding a ducati where it is best: either in the twisties or on track.
Originally posted by DAVE HARRIS
Sorry its taken so long to reply to ducsoon? Query about the 999 having no advantages.
Annette absolutely loves riding the 999 but I dont think she would swap her 996sps for it. It took most of last summer for me to feel comfortable on the bike,it may be in my head but the front end felt remote and I coudnt commit as hard going into corners. The 999 is definately easier to ride on the road and may lap at the same pace as the 998 with less rider effort but if you cant trust the front end you end up going slower than you could. 180 miles on the 998 results in slight stiffeness in my kneck and knees both due to old injuries, the 999 is literally a pain in the butt after about 40 mph (and i have adequate personal padding).
The 999 has a multitude of advantages for ducati as a manufacturer, it was designed to be assembled from sub assemblies and the elecrical system is cheaper to manufacture and install. When ridden It is less prone to wheelie under power and the rear doesnt lift as much on hard braking but this may be due to the fact the factory set them up very flat with a low rear ride height.
personally I prefer the iconic shape of the 998 but that has nothing to do with my preferences, the 998 is in my opinion a safer road bike (mirrors!! on the 999) and for me a better track bike.
Its horses for courses, the only way to find what fits you personally is to badger a dealer into test rides on a 998 and a 999
dave spreading confusion with every phrase!!
Thanks for your views on this.
It seems to me that the 999 is more stable, or at least has a more stable front end. Perhaps that why the front end felt remote to you.
I have to admite i've never even rode a Duc, but a friend of mine recently sold his 996 SPS and got a 04 R1 and he complained he didn't felt the front end.
Tell me, in terms of flickability do you notice any difference between the 998 and the 999???
You're right i'l have to try both before i decide.
Originally posted by DucSoon?
Thanks for your views on this.
It seems to me that the 999 is more stable, or at least has a more stable front end. Perhaps that why the front end felt remote to you.
I have to admite i've never even rode a Duc, but a friend of mine recently sold his 996 SPS and got a 04 R1 and he complained he didn't felt the front end.
Tell me, in terms of flickability do you notice any difference between the 998 and the 999???
You're right i'l have to try both before i decide.
Dude, it sounds like you need to get out on both and see how you get on. Bearing in mind that both of your choices have extremely adjustable suspension so if it's not quite to your taste then you can get the suspension setup just for you. I would recommend doing this regardless of your choice, it just gives you so much more confidence.
For example, I have a W reg 996 and after a little while of riding it I just couldn't get on with the front end. It felt remote and like it was pushing. This was due to bad suspension setup and the front tyre scalloping (which was again down to the suspension setup). I took the bike to HM Racing in Kent on the recommendation from a few others here on the board and they found that the rear shock was leaking and not providing enough rebound damping so they rebuilt it, they replaced the rear spring because it was too hard (it's a bip) and adjusted the front suspension.
I was at a point where I was really not very happy with the handling of the bike and starting to think about getting something else but now it feels awesome. Goes where I want it to go, great front end feedback and turns nicely.
Now I just need to have the same done to my 'wee' monster! It handles like a small boat!
Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 12:57
Its gotta be the 998R - or even better the 996R!!!
Ducati have attempted to go to mass market appeal with the 999 and have by any reasoned, independant view, missed!
The 999 is built at a cheaper budget, using less parts than the 998 type and has been built to appease a fickle market place that is driven by a perceived need to want ride the latest and greatest technology every year.
Ducati had to evolve, economics and market pressures determined that - but if you want the latest and greatest superbike, you go look at the Japanese offerings (yep - I've done that).
But if you want emotion, soul and a reluctant envy from every other motorbike rider, get the archetypal 916.
The 996R is the best of this breed, but settle if you must for the 998R.
Tim:ninja:
yellowisfriedegg
08-Feb-2005, 13:02
Originally posted by beancounter
Ducati tried to replace the 916/748 with the 999/749 but they were crap and nobody bought them. Wouldn't it be great if they brought the 916/748 back ?
Actually , the first year of 999 production outsold the last year of 998 production :sing:
It just seems like the new shape bikes arn't selling as well because of how many 916 shape bikes there are due to 10 years of production :cool:
I personally like both shapes about the same , but my 749R is technically years ahead of my old 748R and much higher spec , which would you have ?
Originally posted by Rattler
Its gotta be the 998R - or even better the 996R!!!
Ducati have attempted to go to mass market appeal with the 999 and have by any reasoned, independant view, missed!
The 999 is built at a cheaper budget, using less parts than the 998 type and has been built to appease a fickle market place that is driven by a perceived need to want ride the latest and greatest technology every year.
Ducati had to evolve, economics and market pressures determined that - but if you want the latest and greatest superbike, you go look at the Japanese offerings (yep - I've done that).
But if you want emotion, soul and a reluctant envy from every other motorbike rider, get the archetypal 916.
The 996R is the best of this breed, but settle if you must for the 998R.
Tim:ninja:
Tim
You must be the 996R's biggest fan.
beancounter
08-Feb-2005, 13:38
Mr. Egg,
There will always be some demand for the highest spec models produced by Ducati, latterly the SPS and now R bikes.
However the 'cooking' 999s and 749s have been a huge sales disappointment for Ducati (as Rattler states) - I don't think anyone disputes this ?
Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 13:43
Originally posted by BDG
Originally posted by Rattler
:
Tim
You must be the 996R's biggest fan.
I am, I was drooling over yours only yesterday!!! Handbuilt engines, world championship winning, rarer than a Desmo Due tyre decision!!;) - fabulous. Wanna sell it?
Yours just needs a good clean!! Oh yeh, and some forks!!!;)
Tim:ninja:
I am with Tim and love the 996r, truly the dream ducati as far as I am concerned.
yellowisfriedegg
08-Feb-2005, 14:16
The figures for sales for the last year of 998 production and first year of 999 production were quoted by Ducati themselves in MCN and they were very happy with the 999 outselling it's predecessor.
I think the main reason for falling sales is the Japanese competition is getting much better , older blades and GSXR / ZXR 750's were similar performance to a 916 / 96 / 98 at a cheaper price , todays R1 / GSXR1000 / ZX10R are way ahead on power compared to a 999 and still a lot cheaper.
WSB is also no longer a big seller for bikes , as much as I thought (and still do) that Foggy is a complete pratt his success sold an awful lot of Ducatis , I think Rossi's popularity and TV coverage of MotoGP is doing for Honda and Yamaha now what WSB did for Ducati 10 years ago.
.......now , if we could just get Vale to ride a Desmosedici , then watch 'em fly out of the showrooms :sing:
Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by BDG
Originally posted by Rattler
:
Tim
You must be the 996R's biggest fan.
I am, I was drooling over yours only yesterday!!! Handbuilt engines, world championship winning, rarer than a Desmo Due tyre decision!!;) - fabulous. Wanna sell it?
Yours just needs a good clean!! Oh yeh, and some forks!!!;)
Tim:ninja:
Were you up at Nellys yesterday? What were you upto?
It does need a clean but no point in doing that before Neil puts his oily fingerprints all over it, it'll get minted up on its return.
Shock and forks are away at KAIS at the moment, roll on full service, fresh suspension and better weather.
Sorry, no i don't want to sell it BUT if you fancy a SPS............................................... .................................................. ..........................................
Anyone see Shallow Hal t'other night?:frog:
Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 14:39
How much for the SPS?
dickieducati
08-Feb-2005, 14:39
:lol::lol::lol: very true.
Originally posted by Rattler
How much for the SPS?
£7995.
In fact the man in the next office wants it for a bit more with the helibars fitted but he can't flog his R1.
Bike sales should pick up in the spring so it will go in the next few months. Did your 996R go to Adam, reading between the lines in a few postings or am i barking (mad) up the wrong tree?
DAVE HARRIS
08-Feb-2005, 15:12
to answer the point on a steering differences on the 999 it feels lighter and more flickable on the road but becomes heavy when turning hard at speed on the track, whereas the 998 although apearing to take more effort at road speeds the steering is consistant at higher speeds and faster/harder inputs. I discussed this when the 999 came out with jamie wilkins(journalist) and Paul young and they felt the apparent lower effort was due to the bars being higher and slightly wider allowing greater leverage whilst in a normal riding position. the 998 steers perfectly well if you countersteer correctly with the correct body position, the 999 handlebar position and width allows adequate levaerage even with poor body position and therefore lower leverage that a road riding position requires.
For a faster turn in on iether bike fit metzer racetech? the replacement for rennesports I fitted a set (190/120) to the 999 and the rear tyre has and extremely high profile, so much so that I had to space my hugger and it felt almost twitchy untill I wound up the steering damper a bit.
dave
Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 16:36
Originally posted by BDG
Originally posted by Rattler
How much for the SPS?
£7995.
In fact the man in the next office wants it for a bit more with the helibars fitted but he can't flog his R1.
Bike sales should pick up in the spring so it will go in the next few months. Did your 996R go to Adam, reading between the lines in a few postings or am i barking (mad) up the wrong tree?
She did go to Adam and I'm regretting it!!!
Originally posted by DAVE HARRIS
to answer the point on a steering differences on the 999 it feels lighter and more flickable on the road but becomes heavy when turning hard at speed on the track, whereas the 998 although apearing to take more effort at road speeds the steering is consistant at higher speeds and faster/harder inputs. I discussed this when the 999 came out with jamie wilkins(journalist) and Paul young and they felt the apparent lower effort was due to the bars being higher and slightly wider allowing greater leverage whilst in a normal riding position. the 998 steers perfectly well if you countersteer correctly with the correct body position, the 999 handlebar position and width allows adequate levaerage even with poor body position and therefore lower leverage that a road riding position requires.
For a faster turn in on iether bike fit metzer racetech? the replacement for rennesports I fitted a set (190/120) to the 999 and the rear tyre has and extremely high profile, so much so that I had to space my hugger and it felt almost twitchy untill I wound up the steering damper a bit.
dave
Great info again. Thanks :)
Have you ever fitted a 180 rear tyre on any of them?
I think it must be great for the track, especially if it's a twisty track.
Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 18:37
Originally posted by DucSoon?
Originally posted by DAVE HARRIS
to answer the point on a steering differences on the 999 it feels lighter and more flickable on the road but becomes heavy when turning hard at speed on the track, whereas the 998 although apearing to take more effort at road speeds the steering is consistant at higher speeds and faster/harder inputs. I discussed this when the 999 came out with jamie wilkins(journalist) and Paul young and they felt the apparent lower effort was due to the bars being higher and slightly wider allowing greater leverage whilst in a normal riding position. the 998 steers perfectly well if you countersteer correctly with the correct body position, the 999 handlebar position and width allows adequate levaerage even with poor body position and therefore lower leverage that a road riding position requires.
For a faster turn in on iether bike fit metzer racetech? the replacement for rennesports I fitted a set (190/120) to the 999 and the rear tyre has and extremely high profile, so much so that I had to space my hugger and it felt almost twitchy untill I wound up the steering damper a bit.
dave
Great info again. Thanks :)
Have you ever fitted a 180 rear tyre on any of them?
I think it must be great for the track, especially if it's a twisty track.
A 180 rear is a must really - unless you're running a 6ich rim.
Tim
Tim you are probably feeling like I did when i sold her to you. I couldnt beleive it when you said it was for sale. couldnt wait to have her back. Here to stay. :bouncy:
DAVE HARRIS
09-Feb-2005, 10:03
My understanding is the 999 has a 6 inch rim and has to have the 190, all the other bikes run a 180 rear. As Tim says the 180 on the 916/996/998 rears is a must unless it has a 6 inch rim.
dave
neither bike turns like a modern japanese in line 4 but most people adapt quite quickly
[Edited on 9-2-2005 by DAVE HARRIS]
dickieducati
09-Feb-2005, 10:05
i think the 999 has a 5.5 inch rear too.
well mine has anyway.
[Edited on 9-2-2005 by dickieducati]
This from Ducati.com for a 999R ..
Rear wheel - Y-shaped 5-spoke light alloy forged 5.50 x 17
Good job as I have a raft of 180 profile 208GP's ready for the R
steve98r
09-Feb-2005, 18:15
I didn't expect all these replys. cant get a test on the 999s at the moment because i want a 05 bike. my old 998s is up for sale at JHP if anybodys interested, Its in mint condition, its also on the sticky rubber web site if you want to take a look
It would seem that I am a bit late in joining in on this topic but......
Just take a look at Porsche!
They had decided to scrap the 911 shape and go with the newer 928 format - hmmmmm!
The rest as the say is history.
928 no longer with us - 911 is!!
I now have a very nice 996 Red Bull Replica and have looked at the 999's - no thank you - well not yet anyway.
Lets face it they are all the envy of the motorcycle world.
What ever you ride - stay safe.
Cheers
SPS
Scottch
13-Feb-2005, 12:31
Originally posted by SPS
Just take a look at Porsche!
They had decided to scrap the 911 shape and go with the newer 928 format - hmmmmm!
The rest as the say is history.
928 no longer with us - 911 is!!
What's in a name?
Is the 911 today, the same 911 as it was?
I don't think so - the only thing the current (997 type) 911 shares with the 911 (964 type?) that survived the 928 is the rear engine configuration.
You can't say that it's still the same car, for whatever reasons the 911 has had to evolve into what it is today.
Ducati has allowed the 916/996/998 series to evolve too, and there is no denying there desirability even to this day.
But regardless of how desirable it is, when evolution (and production) stops, you just find yourself riding an old bike.
Or you can take the opportunity to move with the times.
Cheers!
Scott
But with a current 911 you can see where it is coming from even if it shares nothing with its predecessors. Ducati had a huge style change between the 851/888 and the 916 series, which worked, and another change between the 916 and the 999, which in my opinion did'nt, maybe it would have been better to morph from 998 to a 999 over a couple of years. Went on a 6 month waiting list for my first 916, withdrew my deposit as soon as I saw a 999. Maybe 2007 will be better
electricsheep
13-Feb-2005, 12:58
Check around the dealers you might get a new '04 999R for not that much more than an '05 999S
Scottch
13-Feb-2005, 13:02
Originally posted by ducv2
But with a current 911 you can see where it is coming from even if it shares nothing with its predecessors.
And with a long enough time frame - I think you'll see the 928 again! :frog:
Originally posted by ducv2 Ducati had a huge style change between the 851/888 and the 916 series, which worked, and another change between the 916 and the 999
They called it Redvolution ;) and cut out all the stops in the middle that Porsche didn't (couldn't?)
As ever, one mans meat ... another mans poison
Cheers!
Scott
I'm late on this post also but ....
with the analogy of the 911 - the evolution with that is very comparible to the superbike Ducati range. But as with Ducati fans, porsche fans love certain models. Some porsche lovers reckon the 993 model was the last of the ultimate 911 (just like 998R). It was the older shape, air-cooled and had all the character of the original car.
The Ducati 999 and it's replacement for the 916 range got similar feedback to the new porsche 996/997 range. Side by side the 996/997 911 was far superior but everyone loved the older models.
Why didn't we have the same reaction when Ducati replaced 888 with 916? Was it just because it looked better?
Originally posted by jpmercer
Good job as I have a raft of 180 profile 208GP's ready for the R
Should see oyu in rubber for the next few years:lol::frog:
fastdave
14-Feb-2005, 11:17
has to be the 916sp theres no other bike i could go in the cold garage and just sit and look at
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