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This maybe a blatant abuse of the board so apologies for that but I will ask the question anyway and stand back with a bucket of water to put out the flames!
Would any of you be responsible for the purchase of IT products and services for your companies?
The reason I ask is firstly it would be great to have a trading relationship with someone that has the same interests ie MTS secondly, should you purchase alot of products and services I would be able to arrange some freebie track days and maybe the odd Johnathon Palmer day or two!
Thirdly, I would open up some new accounts and try to knock the conceited little !@"{ off of the top spot in our sales league!!!
All the best
G
Originally posted by gman
The reason I ask is firstly it would be great to have a trading relationship with someone that has the same interests ie MTS
hey, quality .. geek speak in just his 10th post ..... lol
good luck mate ....
Got to try something to drum up some biz - need to keep the wheels of the MTS rolling!!!!
Cheers
G
g-man it might help to join the club and get to know people, -a lot of friendships are made through this club. We do have a business directory section where members can advertise themselves,top buttons on the banner - oh and I work for one of the largest and most successful IT company's in the world so can undercut anything. ;)
ha ha ha .. i prefer offering to mess their hair up, than clean it .. I specialise in "Conditioner" though ....:saint:
So you would be working for Computacenter or SCC then, we regularly beat you guys on both price and service!!! And yes I will join the club I think it needs me!!
Originally posted by Ian
g-man it might help to join the club and get to know people, -a lot of friendships are made through this club. We do have a business directory section where members can advertise themselves,top buttons on the banner - oh and I work for one of the largest and most successful IT company's in the world so can undercut anything. ;)
Originally posted by gman
So you would be working for Computacenter or SCC then, we regularly beat you guys on both price and service!!! And yes I will join the club I think it needs me!!
Originally posted by Ian
g-man it might help to join the club and get to know people, -a lot of friendships are made through this club. We do have a business directory section where members can advertise themselves,top buttons on the banner - oh and I work for one of the largest and most successful IT company's in the world so can undercut anything. ;)
hmmm would be interested to know who you work for (both of you)
CAE Technology Services is where I work - may not be the largest reseller out there but we are damn good and I can say that with a 100% conviction as I used to work for Computacenter for 6 years.
7 days to go until the MTS comes back!!!
G
Speaking from a support role
You might beat people on price, but service/support from the BIG companies is probably the worst there is, they have little or no idea IMHO
Thank you JPM you are 100% since moving my customers have never been happier
G
Computacentre, SCC? Nope, - got to be worried if you work for either of them right now as HPQ try and take away the cream of their customers to deal direct. Actually any resellers should be worried right now, probably why we have resellers knocking at our doors. Ever heard the story of the SCC Sales rep who won the bosses Ferrari for a week?
Support who needs it? :lol: Just sell em the tin ;) use service partners to pay for the peaks and troughs of demand.........I work for the most successful direct company that took IBM out of a significant sector of the industry last year.....
Originally posted by Ian
I work for the most successful direct company that took IBM out of a significant sector of the industry last year.....
Dell?
If it is Dell, its interesting why they are now talking to resellers about the indirect channel. We have had a number of conversations recently where they are looking to partner the reseller channel. I for one am all for it if it means I can earn from Dell's reputation.
I agree with you about HP they are an absolute nightmare at the moment and are seriously burning their bridges, hopefully to their detriment!
All the best out there
G
yep Tony got it right, - frighteningly aggressive pricing, - just taking out HP's last bastion of profit, ink; the biggest liquid commodity in the world.
Problem is DELL is the most unreliable hardware I know, luckily all our DELL servers are being decomissioned pronto.
HP/Compaq any day for servers
oooo thanks for that JPM, go on stop hanging about on the fence there tell us what you think, - well recognised that there is still a lot of badge comfort with the HPQ servers, cisco switches etc, was once IBM PC’s- factual independent survey shows otherwise though, - talking about today’s machines of course. Now if you said HPQ invent whilst others wait until something becomes mass market and then cane the pants out of the price I would agree.
Originally posted by Ian
oooo thanks for that JPM, go on stop hanging about on the fence there tell us what you think, - well recognised that there is still a lot of badge comfort with the HPQ servers, cisco switches etc, was once IBM PC’s- factual independent survey shows otherwise though, - talking about today’s machines of course. Now if you said HPQ invent whilst others wait until something becomes mass market and then cane the pants out of the price I would agree.
Interestingly enough, Dell has just come in at a third of the pricing compared to HPQ at the rather largish company that I work for. previously HPQ had it sewn up - no competition, every server bought was bought off a list jointly prepared by our global ops team and HPQ.
There is now a dual provider arrangement whereby Dell's price point has VERY AGGRESSIVELY brought them into play. Don't take this too likely either, there are some major costs associated in bringing another vendors h/w platform into our environment because of the amount of automated management that we do and the existing skillset and OS images with the HPQ drivers etc - it was a big call.
I've worked at a big consulting firm in London that exclusively used Dell kit and was involved in a 139 server deployment for a customer in Brisbane using Dell kit and they had lots of issues, particularly with the PERC RAID controllers. They just dropped all memory of having certain array's configured - sorry we just dropped your financial's database, give her a quick reboot and she'll be sweet!
I watch with trepidation the deployment of this kit into my shiney new data centre I've just designed - no offence Ian, but I really hope your product has stepped up in quality!
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Ian
oooo thanks for that JPM, go on stop hanging about on the fence there tell us what you think, - well recognised that there is still a lot of badge comfort with the HPQ servers, cisco switches etc, was once IBM PC’s- factual independent survey shows otherwise though, - talking about today’s machines of course. Now if you said HPQ invent whilst others wait until something becomes mass market and then cane the pants out of the price I would agree.
Interestingly enough, Dell has just come in at a third of the pricing compared to HPQ at the rather largish company that I work for. previously HPQ had it sewn up - no competition, every server bought was bought off a list jointly prepared by our global ops team and HPQ.
There is now a dual provider arrangement whereby Dell's price point has VERY AGGRESSIVELY brought them into play. Don't take this too likely either, there are some major costs associated in bringing another vendors h/w platform into our environment because of the amount of automated management that we do and the existing skillset and OS images with the HPQ drivers etc - it was a big call.
I've worked at a big consulting firm in London that exclusively used Dell kit and was involved in a 139 server deployment for a customer in Brisbane using Dell kit and they had lots of issues, particularly with the PERC RAID controllers. They just dropped all memory of having certain array's configured - sorry we just dropped your financial's database, give her a quick reboot and she'll be sweet!
I watch with trepidation the deployment of this kit into my shiney new data centre I've just designed - no offence Ian, but I really hope your product has stepped up in quality!
....I can assure you it hasn't PERC controllers... I've got 3 in my draw, get through one a week, as you say they decide they like to configure/flush the array when they feel like it. Some of our servers haven't been rebooted in months, more like a year simply because as soon as you do they don't come back up, unfortunately I've got nearly 160 of the buggers to support, as I said luckily being swapped out for HP.
As they say you get what you pay for :rolleye:
Originally posted by JPM
....I can assure you it hasn't PERC controllers... I've got 3 in my draw, get through one a week, as you say they decide they like to configure/flush the array when they feel like it. Some of our servers haven't been rebooted in months, more like a year simply because as soon as you do they don't come back up, unfortunately I've got nearly 160 of the buggers to support, as I said luckily being swapped out for HP.
As they say you get what you pay for :rolleye:
I'm glad I don't work in ops!!
:lol: :lol:
:frog:
perhaps I am glad that I don't work in a sector that is mission critical. - Obviously I only the inside information, so only get one side but for my sector our stuff is A1 and a hell of a lot better than the old clone stuff that they were getting.
So JPM, how about buying those nice shiny HP's from me - go on at least let me quote you know it makes sense!!
G
As he is in a support role I am not certain a major blue chip would let him randomly buy servers but you never know.
I am not certain who our strategic alliance is with these days but I am pretty certain its not Dell!
Hi Lil, could you put me in contact with the person who could make the decision?
G
hmmm, in the company I work for that decision is made pretty high up and in the states as far as I am aware.
I know we have a global procurement team somwhere but i think they deal with the head of IBM and Dell etc direct so not sure i could provide any help on this. sorry
As Lily has said I have no decision, although our opinion is taken into consideration.
I only support 160 servers for the mail side of this for less than 1/2 of the mail users in the company. So lets say there's a good 400-500 servers just for mail, let alone the rest of the infrastructure.
Currently 41,000 seats on dell servers all going to HP servers, unfortunately dell still supply the desktops/laptops, and I'm not even going to start on those!!
I would just like to say thanks to JPM, TP and others who have expressed confidence in HP servers. Keep buying them.
I work for HP as a Workforce Performance Consultant and I would rather like to keep working for them.
As a pre-merger HP employee, I would say that the company lost it's way under Carly Fiorina's leadership particularly in it's strategic approach to resellers. Also, as somebody who spent 10 years as a senior account engineer in support I am also dissapointed that HP support no longer has the respect it had. During the years that I worked in support we were consistently voted number one. If I was being cynical, it may be no accident that, post-merger, the reseller and support models veered sharply towards the Compaq model?
But, Carly has paid the price for her lack of competence and we now have a new CEO who has a much better track record (albeit with a 6 Bn company, not an 80 Bn one), is much more operationally focused and knows the storage business where we've been weak of late.
Of course Mark Hurd has a huge task ahead of him, with Wall St putting intense pressure on to break the company up, spin off the printer business and slash operating costs (read organisational redesign and layoffs). Who knows, I might be one of the people laid off - after all I am 50 this year and therefore senile by definition.
However, HP was a truly great company and has the right genes to be a great company again. I would love to see this just to spite the naysayers - even if it turns out that I'm not part of that revival.
[Edited on 7-4-2005 by Jools]
With global procurement deals from IBM and HP they will typically use resellers in the relevant countries to fullfill the clients needs. I would imagine that your UK procurement team/IT Director would be responsible for collaborating with the relevant manufacturer and reseller. We have high visibility with both IBM and HP and I am sure you could use us as a fullfillment house for your IT requirements.
No worries if you cant help - hate to miss out on 100+ server deal!!
All the best Stuart
Stuart
We use far far far more than 100 servers. i am sat in a building with probably well in excess of a thousand right now!
I honestly have no real sight of procurement process but I am pretty sure if you are a big enough and well known reseller then we will work with you somewhere along the line.
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