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i see dave harris posted 51 bhp for his bike not sure what dave's running but is this what we should be expecting anyone else dynoed their bike.
That sounds like a 583 engine.
I know of a 58bhp bike, that's with standard pipes and a Big Bore.
I think 60-62 ish will be a good figure from a 620 or a sorted Big Bore.
the old man
22-Mar-2005, 23:05
have heard of a standard 620 producing high 50's and would expect a well sorted one to be low 60's. would be surprised if a well sorted 583 with big bore can better this.
skidlids
23-Mar-2005, 00:36
looks like i'll be about 6 to 10bhp down on a fair few of the entrants then. Still thats what you get when racing on a budget. So far my whole project has cost £40 more than the tuning work & parts on my GSXR600.
phoenix n max
23-Mar-2005, 09:26
Originally posted by skidlids
looks like i'll be about 6 to 10bhp down on a fair few of the entrants then..
Ditto !
But can the figures be compared between bikes?
What's the variation between all the different dyno's used?
phoenix n max
23-Mar-2005, 11:41
Not sure how much difference it will make Nick - I was out yesterday and I felt I had an advantage out of corners on my ickle 600 as I could twist the throttle hard and not worry about spinning the rear where as they were having to be careful on a damp track.
I guess it's true what you blokes say - It's not size (cc's) that matter it's how you use it ;)
DAVE HARRIS
24-Mar-2005, 09:49
My bike has the big bore kit but had only run for about 20 minuites before the dyno run, fuelling is ok power curve is good and the torque curve is good It may be just a tight engine. When i have done some miles on it and a couple of races i will reasses the situation and will set the squish and dial in the cams if neccarsary!!
dave
Rattler
24-Mar-2005, 09:57
Originally posted by NBs996
But can the figures be compared between bikes?
What's the variation between all the different dyno's used?
Not sure it matters really, you kinda get what you're given. You make what mods you deem fit or affordable to you and then line up. Power is a factor, but not as important as rider ability.
Was it Barry Sheene who said "When the flag drops, the bullshiit stops" ???
Bring it on!
Tim
Does the bhp really make that much difference?
I did a track day on saturday and spent most of my sessions dicing with a guy on a classic with approx 80bhp less than me.
OK, so he has raced the manx etc, but it goes to show that its 80% rider and 20% bike!!
Can we start a sweepstake on who will win?
Rattler
24-Mar-2005, 10:01
Originally posted by Lily
Can we start a sweepstake on who will win?
I think that's a given!!
Originally posted by Lily
Does the bhp really make that much difference?
I did a track day on saturday and spent most of my sessions dicing with a guy on a classic with approx 80bhp less than me.
OK, so he has raced the manx etc, but it goes to show that its 80% rider and 20% bike!!
Can we start a sweepstake on who will win?
domiski......
Unless i sabotage his bike somehow....no 1 is quick with 7 psi in the front tyre eh tony...?
LOL
Phil
as a note torque is the key............AND i got shed loads of it..............
;)
Phil
is that 'torque' or 'talk'
depending on which my betting would go in vastly different directions :P
Originally posted by fil2
domiski......
Unless i sabotage his bike somehow....no 1 is quick with 7 psi in the front tyre eh tony...?
LOL
Phil
No-one ;)
As Tim said ....the power and the bikes are all gonna be very close....its going to be rider skill, experience, race craft, knowing how to ride 55bhp bike and not a 130bhp bike, AND balls.................
Some have all the above and others have some of the above.....should be interesting.
Phil
So is my 76 rwbhp higher than average?
Could be a high reading dyno I suppose, how much can they vary?
Originally posted by TP
So is my 76 rwbhp higher than average?
Could be a high reading dyno I suppose, how much can they vary?
read it again without the beer goggles m8.......:frog:
Phil
dickieducati
24-Mar-2005, 10:34
no i'd say thats about right for our bikes with the 660 big bore. oooppppsss............. did i say that outloud? :devil:
Originally posted by dickieducati
no i'd say thats about right for our bikes with the 660 big bore. oooppppsss............. did i say that outloud? :devil:
you will need it.................oooops did i say that outloud....
lol:devil:
As for the sweepstake...
If I were allowed to put some redies on it (of course we're not, under the Sporting Code!) then my bet goes on AK's bike.
Originally posted by NBs996
As for the sweepstake...
If I were allowed to put some redies on it (of course we're not, under the Sporting Code!) then my bet goes on AK's bike.
You don't have enough cash to buy dog tags! How are you going to spare some for betting?
Or is this 'sponsors' money?
:ninja:
err... Nick - wouldnt think so mate - its STILL in bits!:(
Forks STILL not back
Pistons only just arrived in Somerset - and a fortnight turnaround before they come back
Jockey for first race hasnt been on a track for 6 years or so - having only done one season when he did try it...
Best to stop where I am.... or will just depress myself further:(
edited to add that we havent even started on the zaust system yet.............
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by CK and AK]
but ck... with yuor organisation and ak's spannering, my (sponsors) money is still on #36!
Well maybe not for Cadwell cos I'll be winning that one with his lordship a distant second :D
off to Cadders now for some practice!
Originally posted by weeksy
Domskis bike will be the fastest i rekon too.
Not only the fastest but the best prepped bike with all the goodies...upgraded brakes shock etc etc etc......
best bike best rider.................
any1 know some jujuju doctor curses....:devil:
Phil
Originally posted by weeksy
pretty much mate.... it's a pretty bloody sorted piece of kit.... don't forget... the rider is unfit, fat and not been on a bike for years....
Just make him walk a lap of track before race, he'll not even be able to stand .
he still weighs only 12 stone or so...not fat imho...plus as it stands he could get on the bike unfit and still beat all of us.......we are all battling for 2nd .......hehe..............Bring it..
Phil
I believe there may be some other 'Dark Horses' than just Domski out there-roll on Cadwell.:devil:
John
Originally posted by Monty
I believe there may be some other 'Dark Horses' than just Domski out there-roll on Cadwell.:devil:
John
And none of them are me :(
TP, watching from the back ....
dickieducati
24-Mar-2005, 16:03
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Monty
I believe there may be some other 'Dark Horses' than just Domski out there-roll on Cadwell.:devil:
John
And none of them are me :(
TP, watching from the back ....
tony, you really are a ringer!
bike set up by one of the top men,
winter testing/race schools in spain,
numerous pre race track sessions,
you'll be towing plenty around.
Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Monty
I believe there may be some other 'Dark Horses' than just Domski out there-roll on Cadwell.:devil:
John
And none of them are me :(
TP, watching from the back ....
tony, you really are a ringer!
bike set up by one of the top men,
winter testing/race schools in spain,
numerous pre race track sessions,
you'll be towing plenty around.
true words.......
Originally posted by Monty
I believe there may be some other 'Dark Horses' than just Domski out there-roll on Cadwell.:devil:
John
u cant expect to announce something like that here on the due board and not expect us to want to know WHO ...!! its only the regulars that post here ! where are the Dark horses Monty...and WHO are they....
Spill the beans
Phil
:ninja::ninja:
Originally posted by dickieducati
tony, you really are a ringer!
bike set up by one of the top men,
winter testing/race schools in spain,
numerous pre race track sessions,
you'll be towing plenty around.
I just typed up a response but ... suffice it to say that you guys have a lot more experience than I do on the track and at the tracks we're racing at. By doing what I'm doing I'm just trying to level out the playing field in a compressed timeframe.
We'll see how it goes .... but realistically I don't think I'm going to finishing before guys like you and Phil. If I do, I'll be very happy and give you loads of cr@p though ;)
Ooh, it picked up c r @ p and gave it a whoopsie ...!! Even with the @ !!!
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by dickieducati
tony, you really are a ringer!
bike set up by one of the top men,
winter testing/race schools in spain,
numerous pre race track sessions,
you'll be towing plenty around.
I just typed up a response but ... suffice it to say that you guys have a lot more experience than I do on the track and at the tracks we're racing at. By doing what I'm doing I'm just trying to level out the playing field in a compressed timeframe.
We'll see how it goes .... but realistically I don't think I'm going to finishing before guys like you and Phil. If I do, I'll be very happy and give you loads of whoopsie though ;)
why me...........i have no more experience than you....in fact i have less...i have done none of the " schools " that are so popular............
If i finish m8 with bike intact then im bloody happy......as for beating anyone, the only person i have to beat is the bank manager..............
Phil.
Originally posted by weeksy
he can't tell you mate, you'll have to email Chris Bushell, don't you know anyone can't make decisions or comments without permission :)
seems so ..................:(
Phil
Originally posted by fil2
why me...........blah whinge moan (just kidding Phil ;) )
Phil.
Why you? Because I know you're faster than me! Everyone who I know is faster is a target, you just posted on the thread so it was natural to include you in the list above.
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by fil2
why me...........blah whinge moan (just kidding Phil ;) )
Phil.
Why you? Because I know you're faster than me! Everyone who I know is faster is a target, you just posted on the thread so it was natural to include you in the list above.
u dont know im faster than you ...i have never ridden with you on track...........stop crying wolf about how slow you are etc....u have no basis on which to assume im faster than you..........I have ridden with dom on track i KNOW how fast he is......the rest of you i have no idea about so i dont assume anything...........
Phil.....
Originally posted by fil2
Meeeeooooowwwww etc
As a famous large black man once said "Tell that b!tch to chill!"
I love you honeybunny ....
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by TP]
hmmmm, ok....
i could be mrs nasty here and say i have ridden with TP and Phil. Ok on different tracks and under different conditions......
:lol:
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by fil2
Meeeeooooowwwww etc
As a famous large black man once said "Tell that b!tch to chill!"
I love you honeybunny ....
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by TP]
he was not large at all......unless u mean in a " prescence " sense..?
" b!tch be cool "
Originally posted by Lily
hmmmm, ok....
i could be mrs nasty here and say i have ridden with TP and Phil. Ok on different tracks and under different conditions......
:lol:
Go on then, put Phil out of his misery! I already know the answer ....
Originally posted by fil2
he was not large at all......unless u mean in a " prescence " sense..?
" b!tch be cool "
Sam is a big boy!
"Reach into that bag, and bring out my wallet. It's the one that says Bad Motherf***er"
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Lily
hmmmm, ok....
i could be mrs nasty here and say i have ridden with TP and Phil. Ok on different tracks and under different conditions......
:lol:
Go on then, put Phil out of his misery! I already know the answer ....
my misery lol.............i aint the one making assumptions based on myth
Phil
" yo yo yo u betta back off now im get p!ssed "
Originally posted by fil2
my misery lol.............i aint the one making assumptions based on myth
Phil
We'll see who is right then - come Lily, lets have it!
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by fil2
my misery lol.............i aint the one making assumptions based on myth
Phil
We'll see who is right then - come Lily, lets have it!
why.?
not saying, i dont want to get caught by one of these handbags being swung around :P
the summary
Phil has not had 'training'
by sounds of it Phil has slightly less power (but who really knows ;)
Phil has a good amount of track time
Phil IS fast
Tony has done training
Tony has tricked up bike by all accounts
Tony is doing every track day from now to eternity
Tony has been riding more years than I can count
both have sporting backgrounds and can handle the psychological side of things so i reckon its gonna be an interesting battle!
With the exception a few we are all novices having NEVER raced before ..we know not what to expect..!! we are on completly different bikes to our road bikes that need to be ridden differently...we are in a new enviroment of nerves adrenalin etc...the least of my worries is who is or is not fast at this point in time..when im on track its 1 place at a time...thats if i can get to grid cos i have no fooking clue as to how the day is run ????
Phil
Oi Angry Man ..
Originally posted by Lily
Phil IS fast
The defence rests ...
Originally posted by TP
Oi Angry Man ..
Originally posted by Lily
Phil IS fast
The defence rests ...
ok ok if it makes you happy....im fast as phuck....can you now please go and pick them toys up and put em back in the cot...
Phil
Originally posted by weeksy
i'll be there to talk you through where to be and when mate, don't worry about that side for a second.
See, you've even got someone to hold your hand you big poof!
:lol:
:frog:
Originally posted by Lily
not saying, i dont want to get caught by one of these handbags being swung around :P
the summary
Phil has not had 'training'
by sounds of it Phil has slightly less power (but who really knows ;)
Phil has a good amount of track time
Phil IS fast
Tony has done training
Tony has tricked up bike by all accounts
Tony is doing every track day from now to eternity
Tony has been riding more years than I can count
both have sporting backgrounds and can handle the psychological side of things so i reckon its gonna be an interesting battle!
just to clarify...
I have had training........
I have done over 35 track days
I have done 3 this year with another 2 before race day
I have been riding since 8 and been riding on road since 16
yuppers im fast AS ..gee with them credentials i should be in BSB.......nah fug it WSB.............is that the phone ringing.??
phil
:)
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by fil2]
Originally posted by Lily
Tony has been riding more years than I can count
Oi!! I'm only 29 you know!!!
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by weeksy
i'll be there to talk you through where to be and when mate, don't worry about that side for a second.
See, you've even got someone to hold your hand you big poof!
:lol:
:frog:
yup its nice to have mates
Phil
Antonye's forgotten how to use img tags ...
:rolleye:
antonye
24-Mar-2005, 17:34
http://www.horrible.demon.co.uk/images/deargodmakeitstop.jpg
Ooh, and a quick edit ...
antonye
24-Mar-2005, 17:35
Originally posted by TP
Antonye's forgotten how to use img tags ...
:rolleye:
I know, I know. I've been paid my bonus and I've been in the pub since midday. :rolleye:
hehehe..well that made the afternoon fly by.
be safe at BH
Phil
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by fil2]
antonye
24-Mar-2005, 17:40
Originally posted by weeksy
cooool see you at Jerez in 3 weeks then.
Heh, I wish but I've already had 4 holidays so far this year!
Brands tomorrow (if I can stay sober long enough to get the bike on the trailer) and then some serious building needed on the DD bike before some more cheeky trackdays and setup then let's see what happens :D
Can I just add, that as a betting man, I would not bet on me... yet!
I think I will defo have one of the best bikes on the grid, Louigi is a star and I'm blown away with his work, HOWEVER, Weeksy is right and I am fat, unfit, not ridden in 2 years (on anything - apart from the missus) and I'm not looking forward to the first turn at Cadders!!
IMHO, I think you could still put the best rider on the worst bike, and they'd still win. This isn't MotoGP where is really matters about the bike being perfect. 10bhp is nothing in racing. I've had my arse kicked by a fetus riding a 125, when I've had 100bhp advantage, and I've also beaten riders with far superior machinery.
I can't wait for 6pm on 1st May, when it's all over and Louigi's bike and I, are still in one piece... Whatever the results!!
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL68/915817/1677590/90346540.jpg :lol::lol::lol: 4D
skidlids
24-Mar-2005, 21:12
Not a lot of bhp figures getting quoted, gone a bit off topic.
I could comment on a few riders and how well I think they will do but lets wait for the flag to drop.
So who's bike is in Tecmoto at the moment getting fettled
[Edited on 24-3-2005 by skidlids]
the old man
24-Mar-2005, 23:08
When the flag drops the bull **** stops - everything else before then is fiction.
And; you can't compare racing to track days just like you can't compare track days to riding on the road.
Old Man he says, "race schools can teach you theory and technique but it mostly counts for jack when you're six abreast with the back wheel off the ground on the brakes and going for an 18 inch gap".
Originally posted by Fordie
and can you give Ali some extra horsepower!
I think you'll find mines the one without the eight base gaskets......:lol:
Seriously, just spent a whole day on the M1 picking the beast up from Nelly and I'm well chuffed. Engine sounds sweet as a nut with no top end rattles, deeper voice and nicely free-revving already.
The big bonus was fitting the shock from ebay.de. Seems to be a highly-pukka unit with the damping adjustments having loads of effect. Funnily enough Nelly commented the casting looks the spitting image of an ohlins, and the number of rebound clicks was the same..... :D We'll see tomorrow!
Cheers,
ali
antonye
25-Mar-2005, 00:01
Originally posted by skidlids
So who's bike is in Tecmoto at the moment getting fettled
That'll be mine then :D
skidlids
25-Mar-2005, 00:12
I think is was Dickieducati's as it was a Monster
antonye
25-Mar-2005, 00:15
Ah right - he was having his cans and rearsets fitted today.
Mine was having the big-bore fitted and some *ahem* fettling done to it :devil:
So who is the ex-MRO racer that racing with you lot?
skidlids
25-Mar-2005, 03:04
Don't know, dont care, I've been lapped by the best of them so another one isn't going to make much odds.
I could always get one or two of my mates to get in to my riding gear and do the odd race, they will only be considered if they have won either several club races, club championships, raced as BSS or higher or have won at the IOM,
Originally posted by Lily
Can we start a sweepstake on who will win?
Me and a few of the BHC massive have a little sweepstake going on who will be the champ at the end of the series.Too difficult to predict each round as it sounds like there will be a few "ringers".
Personally my money is on a BHC regular,...........no pressure mate!!;)
Originally posted by skidlids
...they will only be considered if they have won either several club races, club championships, raced as BSS or higher or have won at the IOM,
Christ, Kev, you've got some nice mates!;)
skidlids
25-Mar-2005, 14:27
Felix its because I have been hanging around the club scene for so many years. Going to places like Lyden where the likes of Shakey and Danny Beaumont would be on the front row of the 600s, guys like Kenny Everest was a novice when I first watched him and helped him improve his bike setup so much so that he won the 600 race proper the next day where as up until then he had only won the Novice races, Now he is a MRO winner. Sadly I don't see as much of them these days as I use to. Its good to go to the BSB & MRO meets and catch up with some of them, especially when I go with my mate Adrian who keeps saying I use to beat him and him and him .................................................. .............
Where as I say I've been lapped by him & him & him..............................
Thats why I know I'm not fast as I know so many that are.
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