View Full Version : upgrading 996R or 998S
Im thinking of chopping in on one or the other.
there doesnt seem to be very much differance in spec, unless of course you can advise me differantly.
im looking to you guys for advice on what to consider, and what the differances are.
I need more power, so perhaps this could be it.
pguenet
15-Jul-2003, 00:13
996R as some more carbon and was hand built in limited edition. If you can find one at a reasonable price and are looking at getting a collector, this is the one to go for.
998s - same specs, less fancy parts, not many about either. Will probably never achieve the exclusive status of the 996R but almost similar to the R to the exception of some carbon and the Ohlins at the front. You would probably get a better bargain on such bike. The one to consider if you are not after exclusivity but just something that does the job and does it very well.
Bungi,
You pays yer money and yer makes yer choice. I can't see the point of buying an S then adding the carbon and Ohlins. With an R you should also get the termis and the ECU for them. The extras you get included make the R better value in my opinion. An S is still a great bike but adding only a few bits of Carbon, Ohlins and termis and you are way above used R money. There may still be a few odd ( yellow?) new 998s in the dealers. I seem to recall seeing one advertised recently.
A Used R will be £10,750 upwards and used S perhaps £10k upwards?? Not a big difference.
If you do got for the R make sure you get the termis, std cans and ECU with it. Should also be a paddock stand of sorts and a cover.
Check out the service history, if there is one due or overdue you need to budget £400 plus for that as well,
Good Hunting,
Ray
pguenet
15-Jul-2003, 10:14
Yeah indeed no need to go for an S and then try and convert it into an R! You would end up forking out more money and you would never get the exclusivity (and resell value) of the limited production!
Or get a Bayliss/Bostrom....
You get a cover, stand, Ohlins front and rear....
usefull stuff. Im trying to take all this into account and considering resale in a couple of years time looks like the 996r tips the scales so far,
however I was told that the 998s has a couple of very slight engine mods (improvements) over the 996R does any one know what they are or if they are significant, ive got to try to weigh it all up. I am considering the possibility of useing it on track as a competitive bike for just a couple of events.
How much better are the ohlins forks in reality, I know they look the dogs and are more desireable than the showa units, but they seem to be pretty good and havent given me any problems, although the showa rear i know is 2nd rate.
bungi
Dunno about engine mods, but my Bostrom has a 54mm system, and runs the 996R ECU for the 54mm system...
Rattler
15-Jul-2003, 15:20
please explain the Big differances from your perspective
DJ Tera
15-Jul-2003, 21:02
I put 998R forks on mine, and Rattlers right they do make a big difference, maybe not as much as mag wheels, but they manage to be firmer yet plusher (strange I know!), they ride over bumps much better than the showas, they also make that cool swishing sound when you pump them up and down :D
Rattler
15-Jul-2003, 21:13
......As Phil says, the differences come down to what type of bike you're looking for.
996R
- its a limited edition collectors piece
- the engines were hand-built as they were the new Testastretta type and no processes existed to manufacture them, so in theory blueprinted(ish)!!
- they have carbon fairings and extras
- they have 50mm termis as standard
- it was the bike that won the WSB crown (no 998 did - not even the 998R)
As for the 998S
- it can be Biposto (a good or bad thing)
- the fairings are plastic
- you'll need to shell out £1K+ for termis +cpu
- they come in yellow or red (again a good or a bad thing)
- you may spend a fortune on carbon on it?
Also, as I've been looking for a 996R recently, I reckon you'll be lucky to get a 996R for under £11,500 from what I've seen.
Whereas a 998s, can be had for £10,500 or so.
Just my opinion, but I'd go for the 996R everytime. In fact, I chose the 996SPS over the 998S for most of these reasons.
Tim
Rattler, are you still hankering after a 996R? thought you might have had one on board by now.
well i have one of each in my sights, each with about 1k on the clock, price diferance is + £1750 for the 996R,
is this about right. might be a bit of a struggle to manage the R financially unless i sell both my bikes.
gonna think it over while whizzing round brands tomorrow.
oh and the 998s has termis also
Rattler
15-Jul-2003, 21:46
Adam - I'd still love a 996R, but I'm probably now going to use the money to get a dedicated track bike. Not 100% sure though - I just couldn't find the right 996R at the right price.
Bungi - have you checked out the insurance too? It'll probably cost you more for the 996R.
I'd also check out the maint. schedule, its probably more frequent for the 996R.
If you are to get a 998S, I'd try to get a monoposto one as these are more desirable and are limited in their availability. Its also cheaper to convert a Mono into a Bip than the other way round (should you wish to)!!!
Has the 998S got a power commander for the Termis or a new CPU? - Are you getting the standard exhausts (and CPU) thrown in too? Make sure its been chipped / changed though....
Tim
Go for the 996R - you know it makes sense!!!
the 998s is a bip but i have the single seat from my 996s reatained and already have a n ohlins rear with the correct spriing rating, so that bits easy enough.
yes it has correct cpu for the pipes, im not fully coversant with details but understand that both exhust systems come with the bike
rcgbob44
15-Jul-2003, 22:54
Greetings chaps
I have been reading the comments about the 996r vs 998s and would agree with them. However if you use the bike for mostly road work i think you will find the Showas to be more than adequate, I`m reliably informed that only hard track work will show the superior action of the Ohlins over the Showa`s.
As for performance, my 998s mono with 50mm termi`s and ecu goes like the brown stuff of a greased shovel and like most people i have pampered her with some nice carbon bits as well. I spose it all comes down to you pays your maney etc etc etc .
The 998s is still a fantastic machine!
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