snetterton prospects??

[dickieducati]

very little DD chat this morning so i'll start it off.

how do you think you will fair at snetterton?

i want a top 15 place and would like to avoid being lapped twice by the leaders, could be a close call though.

its a surprisingly long time at full speed on a monster so i can forsee some potential bike problems. mine gave up on a recent trackday. so assuming i have my bike back top 15 would suit me.

[fil2]

i dont think you will get lapped twice ... perhaps the back markers may get lapped but doubt any in the top 15 would..i cannot see the race being ridden at top pace top lap times for the full 30 minutes......
I think the ability to stay focused and mentally on the ball is going to be the key .....
No projections of where im gonna finish though.....

as a note the SS was ridden back to back for 2 x 20 mins sessions at silverstone so im praying that it will be ok...it is after all only 30 mins and if the bikes cannot run for that then there is summit wrong,,,,,

Phil.........

[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

[TP]

I don't think the bikes will expire. Mine did 6 or 7 half hour sessions two days in a row in Spain and it was 20 odd degree's. Maybe some of the older bikes might experience some issues, Ali seems to be having some heat related issues with his bike.

It will just be the rider I think, if you can stay focused and keep your mental 'togetherness' you'll be fine. I don't think anyone is really going to taper off physically, because it's not overly physical work and it's only 30 minutes. As long as everyone stays fairly relaxed on the bike and remembers to breath that is!

I'll be disappointed if I finish outside the top ten.

[AK]

I'll be disappointed if bike#36 finishes outside the final 10.

Andy is fit & roaring to go too:), but he does say that the long straight will give a lot of advantage to the 620's, and I tend to agree. So to finish in the first half of the field would be good:)

Hey-ho - its going to be interesting in seeing who is as fit as they say they are - particularly with the race being so late in the day - and after most have had a good squirt in the mornings trackday sessions:)

[psychlist]

Especially in the wet :devil:

[skidlids]

Originally posted by psychlist
Especially in the wet :devil:

Yes please :devil:

[phoenix n max]

Hmmm - think mental fitness and maintaining concentration will come into play perhaps.

I'm worried about Max being run at that pace for that time though :o

I'm hoping that the tracktime i'm getting in will stand me in good stead- I'd like not to be last this time but so long as Max and I finish in one piece then i'll be satisfied with that I guess.

[psychlist]

We'll both have to gang up on Mike's Numptystrada then Lin ;)

[fil2]

"Andy is fit & roaring to go too:), but he does say that the long straight will give a lot of advantage to the 620's, and I tend to agree. So to finish in the first half of the field would be good:)"


Agree with this............and why oh why is HE riding why cant you find sum1 that we have an outside chance of catching...
:devil:

my target is to get inside top 12 if i can

Phil

[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by psychlist
We'll both have to gang up on Mike's Numptystrada then Lin ;)

Well I would if i could catch it :o It's going to be most upsetting watching everyone bugger off down the straights :sniff:
By the way - how's James ?

[psychlist]

James is fine now, black eye where his mum told him to stop worrying her looked wicked tho (only jokin James). Getting his new riding gear tomorrow, then he's out n about honing his race skills for next year, thats another place down the field for me! Meeting him tomorrow morning for some celebrity snaps with some Fleet Street photographer or summat like that :smug:

[AK]

Originally posted by fil2
"Andy is fit .............and why oh why is HE riding why cant you find sum1 that we have an outside chance of catching...
:devil:

my target is to get inside top 12 if i can

Phil
Fil - Andy will tell you himself, that Snett & Donny will suit the 620's - he reckons some 620's whose riders might have picked up more skills in the last races will be bimbling past on the long straight..........:rolleye:

Mrs snot is still tucked in the corner of the van & hasnt been touched since Als trackday at Mallory (thankyou dear, I s'pose I've got to gether new boots eh?:P )

C

[fil2]

"Fil - Andy will tell you himself, that Snett & Donny will suit the 620's - he reckons some 620's whose riders might have picked up more skills in the last races will be bimbling past on the long straight..........:rolleye:"



100% agree with this..hence why i think snetterton will be the hardest race for Myself and Ali....Rattler Tony Nick etc who are quick riders and have picked up the pace will certainly be in with a shout of top 7..Ali mentioned that a certain 620ie came past him on the long straight like it was an R6..LOL......

but as they say " bring it ".................

:ninja:

Phil


[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

[AK]

hopefully Fil (fingers xx'd here) both Andy & Mark's best laps have been lap 6/7 or 8 - not right at the beginning on lap 3 or 4

Fitness to the fore eh?

ohh, :o I said fit!! - dont tell Alan .... :devil:

[lizzie]

Originally posted by TP
I don't think anyone is really going to taper off physically, because it's not overly physical work and it's only 30 minutes.

I dunno about that Tony. Andy Ibbott never runs sessions more than 28 minutes long (25 in Spain if you recall) because they've done studies which show that everyone promptly loses concentration and falls off after 28 minutes, which would be entertaining.

So if you (generic 'you', nothing personal Tony) get to 28 minutes and are still in it, might be wise to bear that in mind.

[domski]

I want 60bhp and top 6... I may get 50bhp and top 15 :lol:

I'm totally unfit, but think I can do 22 or 23 laps at a good pace. At least it's got 2 long straights to rest on ;)

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by lizzie
everyone promptly loses concentration and falls off after 28 minutes



:o

[NBs996]

Learning the track shouldn't be such a problem this time, and hopefully the 620 motor should see off some of the competition.

My target remains unchanged since day 1.... top ten.

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by fil2
100% agree with this..hence why i think snetterton will be the hardest race for Myself and Ali....Rattler Tony Nick etc who are quick riders and have picked up the pace will certainly be in with a shout of top 7..Ali mentioned that a certain 620ie came past him on the long straight like it was an R6..LOL......

but as they say " bring it ".................

:ninja:

Phil


[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

the 620's definitely have the legs on the straights but this will only make a difference if there are two riders of similar ability battling it out. ali overtook me going onto the revitt straight, i overtook him back again about 3/4 of the way along then he went past me on the brakes into the esses and buggered off! purley because he's a quicker rider than me. depending where i passed him i could have held him up for a bend but no more than that.

[TP]

Originally posted by lizzie
Originally posted by TP
I don't think anyone is really going to taper off physically, because it's not overly physical work and it's only 30 minutes.

I dunno about that Tony. Andy Ibbott never runs sessions more than 28 minutes long (25 in Spain if you recall) because they've done studies which show that everyone promptly loses concentration and falls off after 28 minutes, which would be entertaining.

So if you (generic 'you', nothing personal Tony) get to 28 minutes and are still in it, might be wise to bear that in mind.

Well, I did say 'taper off physically' which I don't think you will. Even now I can run for half an hour at about 75% and cover about 6 - 6.5k's.

Mentally is a whole other story. I think people will fade mentally - it will be the people who manage this better than others who keep the pace going through the race.

[psychlist]

Originally posted by NBs996
My target remains unchanged since day 1.... to have eaten all the cakes before we pack the van.

Admirable ambition young fella me lad ;)

[psychlist]

Originally posted by TP
Mentally is a whole other story. I think people will fade mentally - it will be the people who manage this better than others who keep the pace going through the race.

Mentally has never been a problem, I've always been mental :P

[JasonBoswell]

:lol::lol:

[fil2]

Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by fil2
100% agree with this..hence why i think snetterton will be the hardest race for Myself and Ali....Rattler Tony Nick etc who are quick riders and have picked up the pace will certainly be in with a shout of top 7..Ali mentioned that a certain 620ie came past him on the long straight like it was an R6..LOL......

but as they say " bring it ".................

:ninja:

Phil


[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

the 620's definitely have the legs on the straights but this will only make a difference if there are two riders of similar ability battling it out. ali overtook me going onto the revitt straight, i overtook him back again about 3/4 of the way along then he went past me on the brakes into the esses and buggered off! purley because he's a quicker rider than me. depending where i passed him i could have held him up for a bend but no more than that.

well i think the mix of rider ability advantage and machine advantage has made the racing very competative...Ali paul rattler Nick Tony and Myself are all pretty closely matched and any1 of us could beat the other..time will tell if the bike really does play an advantage as the skill sets become even more closely matched..currently its good racing and competative.

still maintain top 12 as my goal

Phil

[Edited on 17-6-2005 by fil2]

[Andy#99]

I'm personally not looking forward to this one. I've got no experience of the track (although I'm doin' the track-day) and my bike is definitely one of the slowest ones down the straights, and ESPECIALLY out of corners. Although its a BB DD OS ss (Big Bore Desmo Due Old Shape Super Sports!!!!!!) I seem to be left for dead on the straights by Anthony (#111)'s BB DD OS ss and, as well as that my "starts" thus-far have been quite laughable. I seem to sit there slowly gathering speed with, I think, what looks like at least two rows of bikes slowly drifting past me before the first corner! Oh yes....I'm also pretty unfit and somewhat overweight!

See you there

Andy #99

Maybe I've just highlighted my problem!

Where do I hope to come?....half-way down and just finishing to consolidate the points!

[paynep]

I'm just viewing the trackday and race thingy as a warm-up to some serious drinking on Saturday night ready for the 8hr on Sunday as I missed the last Le Mans 24hr...

I have also prepared some bungees with hooks to latch onto Fil, Ali or whoever goes past me first...

:bouncy:

[phoenix n max]

Reckon we should handicap the top 5 riders for us poor unfortunate 583's -:eureka: tow ropes - I bagsy Geoff Spencer but can I shut me eyes cos i don't think i've ever been that fast round a corner :o

[TP]

Originally posted by paynep
I'm just viewing the trackday and race thingy as a warm-up to some serious drinking on Saturday night ready for the 8hr on Sunday as I missed the last Le Mans 24hr...

I have also prepared some bungees with hooks to latch onto Fil, Ali or whoever goes past me first...

:bouncy:

Mmmmmmm drinking .....

[antonye]

Originally posted by Andy#99
Although its a BB DD OS ss (Big Bore Desmo Due Old Shape Super Sports!!!!!!) I seem to be left for dead on the straights by Anthony (#111)'s BB DD OS ss and, as well as that my "starts" thus-far have been quite laughable.

Just to point out:

a) I've crashed at every meeting so far

b) I knackered my clutch, probably through my kack-handed starts

Sometimes it's better just to stay on and finish :D

Can't see why yours is slower though - mine only has the big-bore and a dynojet kit on it with a modified airbox lid and Pipercross filter. Maybe it's down to gearing?

[Andy#99]

Originally posted by antonye
[quote]Originally posted by Andy#99
Although its a BB DD OS ss (Big Bore Desmo Due Old Shape Super Sports!!!!!!) I seem to be left for dead on the straights by Anthony (#111)'s BB DD OS ss and, as well as that my "starts" thus-far have been quite laughable.

Just to point out:

a) I've crashed at every meeting so far

b) I knackered my clutch, probably through my kack-handed starts

Crash at every round????.....well you must be MUCH faster than me to fall off, re-mount and STILL finish two places ahead of me! Where/when was your topple?

...and....as for your "kack-handed starts"...my residing memory of Cadwell is the sight of your flanks going diagonally across my "bows"....at some speed....while I was just beginning to think...."now...clutch in, down for first, revs up...wait for the liiiiiight!!!!"

mind-you....there is some truth in what you said..."Sometimes it's better just to stay on and finish"

[antonye]

Originally posted by Andy#99
Crash at every round????.....well you must be MUCH faster than me to fall off, re-mount and STILL finish two places ahead of me! Where/when was your topple?


Luckily only in practice for Cadwell - otherwise I'd have as many points as Domski :lol:


...and....as for your "kack-handed starts"...my residing memory of Cadwell is the sight of your flanks going diagonally across my "bows"....at some speed....while I was just beginning to think...."now...clutch in, down for first, revs up...wait for the liiiiiight!!!!"


Heh. Standard race tactic - scare the bejesus out of everyone else so they give you a wide berth :D

[the old man]

I've done a season with KRC and can throw in some comments:

1. the quick guys will be on full sprint race pace for the duration

2. tiredness / concentration wandering will probably set in at about 20 min or so - this was when i started missing apexes etc. i gave myself a stiff talking to and was fine for the rest of the hour (60 min slots in KRC)

3. you'll feel 10 times more knackered the moment you step off the bike

4. i wouldn't want to run my 620sport without an oil cooler for this distance (but them i'm a bit phobic about oil temp at the moment)

biggest bummer is i won't be there - boo! hoo! But think of me slurping a beer by a pool somewhere, 'cos i'll be thinking of you

have fun and take care. see you all at donny.

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye
Luckily only in practice for Cadwell - otherwise I'd have as many points as Domski :lol:

And thats funny why????? :P:P:P


Heh. Standard race tactic - scare the bejesus out of everyone else so they give you a wide berth :D

Worked for me... Mike didn't pass me once at Castle Combe ;)

[domski]

Originally posted by the old man
biggest bummer is i won't be there - boo! hoo! But think of me slurping a beer by a pool somewhere, 'cos i'll be thinking of you

have fun and take care. see you all at donny.

Can I have your 5th place please???? :D:D:D

Have a nice time Ian, don't get too sun burnt (git!)

:)

[the old man]

have it, you're welcome to it. in fact you can have it for the rest of the season - if you let me fininsh infront!!!!

[the old man]

Originally posted by the old man
fininsh

that's what a few good reds, a ripe piece of Roquefort and a '**** off' glass of prot does for you.

[the old man]

port. that should say glass of "port"!!!

[domski]

...and you'd still finish in front of me :lol:

[the old man]

today this thread, tomorrow....

[domski]

Originally posted by the old man
today this thread, tomorrow....

Prison?? :P

[the old man]

they've got to catch me first :lol::lol::lol: