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RCA

04-Aug-2005, 21:43

Hello first post,

I ride the Yamaha R1 (see signature) and having always wanted a v-twin sportsbike as well, I now have the cash and the space (a garage!) to buy one. I have researched prices over the year, comparing prices on the 996, 998 and the various versions each model has to offer. I have decided on the 998 (in my opinion this is Ducati's best looking bike). I love the Bostrom paint work and this is the version Iam planning on buying. How much will that extra 16bhp cost me, the 998R !!!! All the bolts on appear to be the same on bith bikes, I assume there are some internal engine part differences

Thoughts please...

748IOM

04-Aug-2005, 21:58

I don't know too much either but if it was me I'd buy the R, paint work is an easy addition and should be overlooked, its what's inside that counts ;)

The R will be the most rare and most special of them all in my opinion, I would imagine it would hold its value the best as well should you ever go mad and decide to sell it.

Bungi

04-Aug-2005, 22:02

the 998s and 998 r are differant engines

the bostrum and baylis reps are very good spec bikes with most of the desired goodies if not the carbon. id always prefer the R models as the reps tend to look abit dated very quickly. unless your a real bostrum / bayliss fan. the bostrum is a bit more unuusal with just 155 made, the blue frame and wheels tend to make one consider that they are quite differant.

i almost bought one :D but im glad iwent for my 996r now :D

pedro

04-Aug-2005, 22:26

move on ! get a 999R, some bargains with these babys

rcgbob44

04-Aug-2005, 22:36

The 998s & 998R models are both very desirable, the "R" being the best of the two.

If you down the 998s route get a genuine monoposto as only 27 of them came to the uk.

As bungi said, the 998s & 998R are very different engines despite the small difference of 3 bhp, the R has a larger bore and a shorter stroke. I cant actually remember if the 998R is actually 998 or 999.

However you choose I`m sure you will enjoy the Ducati experience, by the way there are a lot of funny people in the club that will try and convince you that yellow bikes are quicker than red ones, this of course is complete and utter rubbish and as any owner of a red machione will tell you, the yellow is actually an undercoat that needs a red top coat to complete the bike. :D.................................mines a scotch & coke thank you.

RCA

04-Aug-2005, 22:56

The 999 is an aweful looking bike, it looks like it was designed by someone from volvo, not at all a classic, discounts by dealers and the UK saturated with units brought in from Europe, hence the 'bargain', I would'nt touch a 999 with a long pole. Clearly not an investment. I'll take a 998 thanks anyday. How much will I pay for a 998R.

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

Ian Harris

04-Aug-2005, 23:14

Originally posted by RCA
The 999 is an aweful looking bike, it looks like it was designed by someone from volvo
[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

Ooooh, that's a little bit harsh! It might not be an oil painting, but likening it to a Volvo :o

Of course, the trouble with Volvos is that they did all their designing on an "etch a sketch", and it was only when that British bloke joined that he showed them how to do curves by twisting both knobs at once!

KeefyB

04-Aug-2005, 23:14

Originally posted by RCA
The 999 is an aweful looking bike
Yeah,them new fangled Dukes will never take on,will they...;):D:D:D

andyb

04-Aug-2005, 23:30

JPM

04-Aug-2005, 23:38

Originally posted by RCA
How much will that extra 16bhp cost me, the 998R !!!! All the bolts on appear to be the same on bith bikes, I assume there are some internal engine part differences

Thoughts please...

:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled: The 998R has 150hp???

998S has 136 out of the box I think the R has about 2 more

Originally posted by bungi
the bostrum and baylis reps are very good spec bikes with most of the desired goodies if not the carbon. id always prefer the R models as the reps tend to look abit dated very quickly. unless your a real bostrum / bayliss fan. the bostrum is a bit more unuusal with just 155 made, the blue frame and wheels tend to make one consider that they are quite differant.

Frame, wheels, grips, seat pad, headlight bucket all different and there wasn't just 155 made, 155 for the US market, less power to meet emissions but carbon bodywork and signed tank, Euro spec "S" Engine but plastic bodywork. Bostrom rep isn't a race rep also due to tobacco advertising (L&M) it's a rep of his lid.

Also the Bayliss/Bostrom reps have Ohlins forks over the standard S model

Ian Harris

04-Aug-2005, 23:42

Originally posted by RCA
I'll take a 998 thanks anyday. How much will I pay for a 998R.

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

Haven't seen too many 998R's around, those that I have seen were about £12,000 - £12,500. There seem to be a few more 996R's about... I paid £10,500 for mine (6,000 miles, FSH 1 Year Factory warranty plus belt service). There has been one privately advertised in the Kent area for about £8,500...I reckon that's probably the starting point...I think it might still be in MCN...worth a look. If its half decent, that's a good price.

MARTIN H

05-Aug-2005, 01:16

The one in MCN in Kent went last week.

baylissboy

05-Aug-2005, 08:46

Twinfan

05-Aug-2005, 09:56

Get with the times! The xx9 series rules :D

BDG

05-Aug-2005, 12:16

Originally posted by RCA
The 999 is an aweful looking bike, it looks like it was designed by someone from volvo, not at all a classic, discounts by dealers and the UK saturated with units brought in from Europe, hence the 'bargain', I would'nt touch a 999 with a long pole. Clearly not an investment. I'll take a 998 thanks anyday. How much will I pay for a 998R.

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by RCA]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Instead of the tradition of the newbie buying the drinks, name your drink mate and i'll line them up. A Yorkshireman with taste.

Power wise the standard 998 is 123bhp

The 998S (same engine in the Bostrum & Bayliss reps, main differences on the reps are the Ohlins forks and paintwork, over the 998S) knocks out 136 bhp.

The 996R (also has a 998 engine) knocks out 135bhp

The 998R has a shorter stroke 999cc engine and produces 139bhp.

easy way to recognise the 996R 998S/R motor over the standard 998 engine is sandcast crankcases and deep sump motor, just in case a seller tells a few porkies.

05-Aug-2005, 12:34

998R!!!

Everyday!!!

I was riding mine last night after leaving Brands heading down into Kent. What a machine, so much better in all departments than my 996, which is still a great bike that I have no complaints with but the 998R is sublime.

The 998R is actually 999cc. It is the same bore and stroke as the current 999R engine. Sandcast crankcases and deep sump as BDG mentions above.

You can't go wrong with one of these.

Oh yeah, price-wise depends on condition but you'll be looking at 10,500 through to 13,000 but it's a buyers market at the moment.

You sure you don't want a 996? ;)

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by TP]

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 13:12

A 998R - nah - they made too many!!!! You want the 996R. ;)

Ducati tried to cash in on the popularity of the hand-built, limited edition 996R, by producing a not-so limited run of 998Rs. :lol:

They just used the 998R to test some of the components of the new 999 engines before they squeezed them into the 999 ;)

Go for the 996R - you and she will be much more appreciative.

Tim:frog:

05-Aug-2005, 13:24

Originally posted by Rattler
A 998R - nah - they made too many!!!! You want the 996R. ;)

Ducati tried to cash in on the popularity of the hand-built, limited edition 996R, by producing a not-so limited run of 998Rs. :lol:

They just used the 998R to test some of the components of the new 999 engines before they squeezed them into the 999 ;)

Go for the 996R - you and she will be much more appreciative.

Tim:frog:

This is just because I was quicker on Tuesday isn't it!

Dibble

05-Aug-2005, 13:26

Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Rattler
A 998R - nah - they made too many!!!! You want the 996R. ;)

Ducati tried to cash in on the popularity of the hand-built, limited edition 996R, by producing a not-so limited run of 998Rs. :lol:

They just used the 998R to test some of the components of the new 999 engines before they squeezed them into the 999 ;)

Go for the 996R - you and she will be much more appreciative.

Tim:frog:

This is just because I was quicker on Tuesday isn't it!

no, its because he's right ..... :devil:

Festa748

05-Aug-2005, 13:28

I cant say out ive got a 748 but if i did sell it it would be for a 998r. or id just buy the lump if i could and fit it

05-Aug-2005, 13:29

Originally posted by DIBBLE
no, its because he's right ..... :devil:

I don't recall Krispy Kreme ever making an 'R' so why are you interested?

:frog:

And they only made 200 more than the 996R. I think they were just so proud that they had managed to build an even better bike than the glorious 996R that they had to show off!

The ultimate bike in the ultimate shape ;)

:smug:

Dibble

05-Aug-2005, 13:30

Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by DIBBLE
no, its because he's right ..... :devil:

I don't recall Krispy Kreme ever making an 'R' so why are you interested?

:frog:

And they only made 200 more than the 996R. I think they were just so proud that they had managed to build an even better bike than the glorious 996R that they had to show off!

The ultimate bike in the ultimate shape ;)

:smug:

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn !

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 13:36

05-Aug-2005, 13:38

Originally posted by Rattler
I seem to remember that you did come past me on Tuesday, but you also went past the edge of the track and into the dirt at the same time. ;)

Ahh yes, Redgate ...

What about the other sessions ;)

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 13:40

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 13:42

Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Rattler
I seem to remember that you did come past me on Tuesday, but you also went past the edge of the track and into the dirt at the same time. ;)

Ahh yes, Redgate ...

What about the other sessions ;)

You passed me once properly, then misjudged the track to pass me then, then I went past you. He who laughs last!!!! (thinks slowest!!) ;)

BDG

05-Aug-2005, 13:46

Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by DIBBLE
no, its because he's right ..... :devil:

I don't recall Krispy Kreme ever making an 'R' so why are you interested?

:frog:

And they only made 200 more than the 996R. I think they were just so proud that they had managed to build an even better bike than the glorious 996R that they had to show off!

The ultimate bike in the ultimate shape ;)

:smug:

200 more !!! that's about 40% by my reckoning - really exclusive ;)

Gentlemen,

I'm sure we all agree they're both great bikes (and far nicer than any of those Legoland type R's):devil::lol:

Dibble

05-Aug-2005, 13:55

Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Rattler
I seem to remember that you did come past me on Tuesday, but you also went past the edge of the track and into the dirt at the same time. ;)

Ahh yes, Redgate ...

What about the other sessions ;)

You passed me once properly, then misjudged the track to pass me then, then I went past you. He who laughs last!!!! (thinks slowest!!) ;)

easy tiger, thats your future instructor you are disrespecting ... !! almost a shame the ESS has gone now .. :lol:

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 13:56

Originally posted by DIBBLE
Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Rattler
I seem to remember that you did come past me on Tuesday, but you also went past the edge of the track and into the dirt at the same time. ;)

Ahh yes, Redgate ...

What about the other sessions ;)

You passed me once properly, then misjudged the track to pass me then, then I went past you. He who laughs last!!!! (thinks slowest!!) ;)

easy tiger, thats your future instructor you are disrespecting ... !! almost a shame the ESS has gone now .. :lol:

Those that can - do !!! Those that can't - teach !!!! ;)

KeefyB

05-Aug-2005, 13:56

Originally posted by BDG
Gentlemen,

I'm sure we all agree they're both great bikes,but OBSOLETE(and not as nice than any of those new type R's):devil::lol:
;):D

Dibble

05-Aug-2005, 13:58

Originally posted by Rattler
Those that can - do !!! Those that can't - teach !!!! ;)

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-ow

BDG

05-Aug-2005, 14:02

Originally posted by KeefyB
Originally posted by BDG
Gentlemen,

I'm sure we all agree they're both great bikes,but OBSOLETE(and not as nice than any of those new type R's):devil::lol:
;):D

:lol::lol:

Keith, shouldn't your signiture read,

the almost real, but not quite as good looking Ducati;)

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 14:09

996R or 998R, 996R..... World Championship winner. 998R came second. 996R is the daddy of the testa engine bikes, the 998R is the pretender, let alone these 999R's which are worth less than 996R's!

I'd have the 996R anyday over the 998R.

JPM

05-Aug-2005, 14:44

Originally posted by Flanks
996R or 998R, 996R..... World Championship winner. 998R came second. 996R is the daddy of the testa engine bikes, the 998R is the pretender, let alone these 999R's which are worth less than 996R's!

I'd have the 996R anyday over the 998R.

Considering no road version has won any world championships, just to "homologate" them in the broadest terms possible, and they're nothing like a road bike, but I think you'll find the 999 has already won 2 world titles - Hodgson 2003, Toseland 2004

RCA

05-Aug-2005, 14:52

Agreed, but just because michelle mcmanus won pop idol, does not mean I would sleep with her, like the 999, she is a dog.

JPM

05-Aug-2005, 14:59

Says the man with an R1 :lol:

They're like ar*eholes..... everyone's got one! :P

Steve M

05-Aug-2005, 15:03

:lol: nice one Jon

RCA - better get out of bed the other side tomorrow mate ;)

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 15:04

Indeed Freak, but their sooooooooo damn ugly mate, sorry. 996R would be my choice if in the R market place.

Steve M

05-Aug-2005, 15:15

ooooooooooh no they're not

JPM

05-Aug-2005, 15:15

Originally posted by Flanks
Indeed Freak, but their sooooooooo damn ugly mate, sorry. 996R would be my choice if in the R market place.

Flanks I have to agree, but if you're in the market for a "new" bike you haven't got an option. Done the whole 996/998 thing so there wasn't an option

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 15:29

Very true, if you've been there, and done that, then i guess if you want to keep in the Ducati ownership, then there's only one option. And, yes the R has a kudos worth having i feel. Although it appears this year, Ducati have lost their way with the R, when compared to the S.

It's like, i'd rather have a '04 749R than a '05 749R (carbon v plastic). And the '04--> 999R's have a nicer swing arm.

Be interesting what really happens in 2007. What do we reckon the top bike will be then? A 'sedici R (not a RR one off).

Steve M

05-Aug-2005, 15:37

2007 - that'll be the 1096 then.

based on 999 with re-styled headlights and exhaust, with a petrol tank similar to 916 shape.

I'll be totally wrong of course ;)

05-Aug-2005, 15:57

Originally posted by Rattler
Those that can - do !!! Those that can't - teach !!!! ;)

Oooh!!! Miaow!

I'm not a CSS instructor, so I don't know what you guys are on about.

I guess that means that you'll finally beat me in a race next weekend then ;)

Care for a friendly wager tiger?

:ninja:

JPM

05-Aug-2005, 16:01

Originally posted by TP

I'm not a CSS instructor, so I don't know what you guys are on about.

:ninja:

YET.....

Thus why you'll be there on Tuesday :)

Steve M

05-Aug-2005, 16:04

carefull with those instructors Jon, you never know where they might pop up ;)

05-Aug-2005, 16:06

Originally posted by JPM
Originally posted by TP

I'm not a CSS instructor, so I don't know what you guys are on about.

:ninja:

YET.....

Thus why you'll be there on Tuesday :)

Well, you're assuming I actually pass that bit ... then there's another test which you're assuming I'll pass ...

... and there's no such thing as a CSS instructor ;)

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by TP]

fil2

05-Aug-2005, 16:07

Those that can - do !!! Those that can't - teach !!!! ;) [/quote]

class.......................LMAO

k-thunk gauntlett lands on the floor...........

BDG

05-Aug-2005, 16:10

Originally posted by Steve M
carefull with those instructors Jon, you never know where they might pop up ;)

:lol::lol::lol:

NW in joke, best laff i've had for ages.

JPM

05-Aug-2005, 16:12

Originally posted by Steve M
carefull with those instructors Jon, you never know where they might pop up ;)

Hmmm exactly! Wouldn't mind giving it a go myself...

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 16:20

Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Rattler
Those that can - do !!! Those that can't - teach !!!! ;)

Oooh!!! Miaow!

I'm not a CSS instructor, so I don't know what you guys are on about.

I guess that means that you'll finally beat me in a race next weekend then ;)

Care for a friendly wager tiger?

:ninja:

I think you'll find that I beat you in race one at Cadwell, or would you say that you didn't line up for that one? ;)

I will beat you next weekend of course, but I don't need your money!!! :lol:

Bring it on!!!

Tim:ninja:

05-Aug-2005, 16:22

Originally posted by Rattler
I think you'll find that I beat you in race one at Cadwell, or would you say that you didn't line up for that one? ;)

I will beat you next weekend of course, but I don't need your money!!! :lol:

Bring it on!!!

Tim:ninja:

I think you'll find that I was a DNS for that race ;) After you sent your assasin around!

I'm glad you want to beat me, it will make crushing your spirit all the more enjoyable!!!

Muahahahahaha!!!

:borg:

Rattler

05-Aug-2005, 17:10

Let the games begin!!!!

Glad the old TP is back !!!! ;)

pedro

05-Aug-2005, 17:27

Originally posted by Flanks
996R or 998R, 996R..... World Championship winner. 998R came second. 996R is the daddy of the testa engine bikes, the 998R is the pretender, let alone these 999R's which are worth less than 996R's!

I'd have the 996R anyday over the 998R. your right,996 won the wsb,then the 998 lost to a SP2! so ducati moved on with the 999 & again won the wsb two years running:bouncy: beating r1s,gsxr etc etc.

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by pedro]

m1keyp

05-Aug-2005, 17:35

To quote Frankie Chili

The 999 is a road bike they try to race

The 998 is a race bike for the road

Frankie bought a 998R from a dealer stripped it and won with it at Misano last year, not contest the 998 or a 996

And your right not like a volvo:D:sing:

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by m1keyp]

pedro

05-Aug-2005, 17:41

the proofs their mate 999 = wsb tittles in 04,03, 998 =wsb tittles ? 0?. 996 wsb tittles 01. did chili win any wsb tittles? some riders "get on" with certain bikes. f.c didnt like the 999,would the 998 pose a threat to the 999 in todays wsb? carnt see it myself.

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by pedro]

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 17:51

Correct Pedro, although both the 996 and 998 only had a year each at the top end of racing. The 999 has been around now 3 years, so yes it's more successful, but a lot less desirable. Prices and changes have proved that.

The 996R would be my choice. Although as Jon has put it, if you've been there and done that, and want a top flight Duke, you have little choice. So maybe, the 999R is a good bike, just not a pretty one.

pedro

05-Aug-2005, 17:59

its the flagship,its a winner. for me the 749-999 is the better bike over the 99*. looks are second

rcgbob44

05-Aug-2005, 18:08

Its getting very bitchy on here...........................hand bags at dawn chaps!

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 18:12

:lol: Not sure why, all differant points of view.

Both Pedro and Jon are right. But some still believe the 6R to be the better bike over the next 2 R's. Seems there are quite a fea about who still think this. Me, looks and package count for everything.

RCA

05-Aug-2005, 18:27

Originally posted by pedro
its the flagship,its a winner. for me the 749-999 is the better bike over the 99*. looks are second

Looks are second?!?!?! What the F**K?!?!?!?

and to discribe the R1 as an 'ugly' bike? Should have gone to specsavers mate.

KeefyB

05-Aug-2005, 18:29

Originally posted by pedro
its the flagship,its a winner. for me the 749-999 is the better bike over the 99*. looks are second
Agreed!
:)

pedro

05-Aug-2005, 18:37

its all down to what floats your boat.

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by pedro]

Twinfan

05-Aug-2005, 18:38

Originally posted by Steve M
2007 - that'll be the 1096 then.

based on 999 with re-styled headlights and exhaust, with a petrol tank similar to 916 shape

Sounds like a parts bin special. And minging.

Mark

05-Aug-2005, 18:44

It remains the question, have they got it sooooooo wrong with the 749/999's?

Or, are the purists tastes to blinkered?

What are the facts?

Twinfan

05-Aug-2005, 18:50

I think it's a reluctance to change that's the problem. The 916 shape was so beautiful and inspirational people are finding it hard to move on.

I was a huge fan of the 916 when it first came out, but I think it's had its day now. It'll always be a classic, but I think the 999 shape has a very modern beauty to it, especially in race bike trim.

05-Aug-2005, 19:00

Originally posted by RCA
Looks are second?!?!?! What the F**K?!?!?!?

and to discribe the R1 as an 'ugly' bike? Should have gone to specsavers mate.

I wouldn't describe the R1 as ugly, just not my cup of tea ...

But then neither is the newer shape bikes - xx9 series ... however, I am a complete tart and would have a 999R.

Bungi

05-Aug-2005, 19:05

[i]Originally posted by bungi
the bostrum and baylis reps are very good spec bikes with most of the desired goodies if not the carbon. id always prefer the R models as the reps tend to look abit dated very quickly. unless your a real bostrum / bayliss fan. the bostrum is a bit more unuusal with just 155 made, the blue frame and wheels tend to make one consider that they are quite differant.

Frame, wheels, grips, seat pad, headlight bucket all different and there wasn't just 155 made, 155 for the US market, less power to meet emissions but carbon bodywork and signed tank, Euro spec "S" Engine but plastic bodywork. Bostrom rep isn't a race rep also due to tobacco advertising (L&M) it's a rep of his lid.

Also the Bayliss/Bostrom reps have Ohlins forks over the standard S model

so how comes the one i was gonna buy had plaque with **/155 on it?
ps it didnt have carbon bodywork or signed tank either
it was a uk bike!! :puzzled:

RCA

05-Aug-2005, 23:00

Originally posted by Flanks
It remains the question, have they got it sooooooo wrong with the 749/999's?

Or, are the purists tastes to blinkered?

What are the facts?

IMHO. The 999 looks like an ant from the front, far to long from the side, and the back & exhaust look like an after thought. The new package looks, 'gay'. Also, has anybody else noticed that, no matter what shape or size the rider, the bike and rider just do not look right, it all looks sort of awkward. The 999 is like the girl that stands there when the screen goes back, and you realise you've picked the least attractive of the 3. Ducai have attempted to be radical, but instead Ducati really have divded us. Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design. The younger generation like me, who Ducati HAVE to aim/market their next generation of models to, in order to progress and make money, still prefer the old look. If this was not the case, A) There would not be this long debate & B) The 999 would not, already be, a surplus bike.

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

Bungi

05-Aug-2005, 23:27

Originally posted by RCA

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

if there enough in your bike budget to afford 3 average jap bikes and you choose those out of preferance god help you.
because there no real sense there if you want something special. IMHO

RCA

05-Aug-2005, 23:39

Originally posted by Bungi
Originally posted by RCA

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

if there enough in your bike budget to afford 3 average jap bikes and you choose those out of preferance god help you.
because there no real sense there if you want something special. IMHO

Of my bike wish list, how many of the above bikes have you ever riden around a track? Thought not. No experiance = No opinion...zip it George.

Twinfan

06-Aug-2005, 01:54

Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design

Not true. I fell in love with the 916, rode a 748R and 749S and spent my money on a new 749S. I gelled with it straight away, and I now love the looks. They grow on you.

everton

06-Aug-2005, 07:00

Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by Flanks
It remains the question, have they got it sooooooo wrong with the 749/999's?

Or, are the purists tastes to blinkered?

What are the facts?

IMHO. The 999 looks like an ant from the front, far to long from the side, and the back & exhaust look like an after thought. The new package looks, 'gay'. Also, has anybody else noticed that, no matter what shape or size the rider, the bike and rider just do not look right, it all looks sort of awkward. The 999 is like the girl that stands there when the screen goes back, and you realise you've picked the least attractive of the 3. Ducai have attempted to be radical, but instead Ducati really have divded us. Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design. The younger generation like me, who Ducati HAVE to aim/market their next generation of models to, in order to progress and make money, still prefer the old look. If this was not the case, A) There would not be this long debate & B) The 999 would not, already be, a surplus bike.

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

Just been through this thread and boy did it make me laugh.

Mr RCA, your arrogance is astonishing - you sound like the sort of bloke who'd start a fight in an empty room :lol:

BTW I have one of the first 999R's that came to the UK and almost 2 years later I still love it to bits. Best bike I've ever owned, and, it took me a long time to save, trade etc to buy it.

It's been on a dozen plus track days, thrown through the gravel at Silverstone, borrowed by MCN and is usually fecking mucky cos it's always being ridden ... however, every Monday night, at Foxes bike night, I know where my bike is amongst the 200+ parked in the car park because it's the one with the admiring crowd round it.

Also, please do not include me in your ill thought statement -

'Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design'

As one who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998 I worked my way to first owning a 996Bip and then a 996SPS before the big boy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

ps: I've never inherited anything - apart from my father's good looks :smug:

I see you are a member of the 'younger generation' (what ever that means) and are a photographer.

So from the mildest mannered, most easy going, charming member of the DSC please ...

Grow up and consider your comments before you make them and take your Leica with it's zoom lens (I assume you have one), bend over your girly R1 and have it shoved (un-greased) where the sun don't shine.

:P:lol:

KeefyB

06-Aug-2005, 08:52

Originally posted by RCA Ducai have attempted to be radical, but instead Ducati really have divded us. Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design.
Yep,some folks just dont get it.;):D

butch890

06-Aug-2005, 10:18

Originally posted by everton
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by Flanks
It remains the question, have they got it sooooooo wrong with the 749/999's?

Or, are the purists tastes to blinkered?

What are the facts?

IMHO. The 999 looks like an ant from the front, far to long from the side, and the back & exhaust look like an after thought. The new package looks, 'gay'. Also, has anybody else noticed that, no matter what shape or size the rider, the bike and rider just do not look right, it all looks sort of awkward. The 999 is like the girl that stands there when the screen goes back, and you realise you've picked the least attractive of the 3. Ducai have attempted to be radical, but instead Ducati really have divded us. Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design. The younger generation like me, who Ducati HAVE to aim/market their next generation of models to, in order to progress and make money, still prefer the old look. If this was not the case, A) There would not be this long debate & B) The 999 would not, already be, a surplus bike.

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

Just been through this thread and boy did it make me laugh.

Mr RCA, your arrogance is astonishing - you sound like the sort of bloke who'd start a fight in an empty room :lol:

BTW I have one of the first 999R's that came to the UK and almost 2 years later I still love it to bits. Best bike I've ever owned, and, it took me a long time to save, trade etc to buy it.

It's been on a dozen plus track days, thrown through the gravel at Silverstone, borrowed by MCN and is usually fecking mucky cos it's always being ridden ... however, every Monday night, at Foxes bike night, I know where my bike is amongst the 200+ parked in the car park because it's the one with the admiring crowd round it.

Also, please do not include me in your ill thought statement -

'Those, like me, who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998, basically hate the 999 and do not understand the design'

As one who fell in love and dreamt of owning the 916,996,998 I worked my way to first owning a 996Bip and then a 996SPS before the big boy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

ps: I've never inherited anything - apart from my father's good looks :smug:

I see you are a member of the 'younger generation' (what ever that means) and are a photographer.

So from the mildest mannered, most easy going, charming member of the DSC please ...

Grow up and consider your comments before you make them and take your Leica with it's zoom lens (I assume you have one), bend over your girly R1 and have it shoved (un-greased) where the sun don't shine.

:P:lol:

MAGIC Dave!!!!!:burn:

swannymere

06-Aug-2005, 11:05

:D If your going vintage you can't beat a 9**,but try a 999 and find out what a modern bike feels like:D

andyb

06-Aug-2005, 11:14

Ducati ownership is just gods way of seperating away from the kawyamhonuki tsssers with no class.:lol:

Stu748R

06-Aug-2005, 12:03

996R without a doubt,i recently rode Henners low mileage example,what a glorious noise. All of the R's have soul and that hand made feel ,you can almost taste the passion.And chaps,lay off the R 1,i've got one too , i know which bike is better in the realworld for everyday use on the road.

everton

06-Aug-2005, 12:04

Originally posted by andyb
Ducati ownership is just gods way of seperating away from the kawyamhonuki tsssers with no class.:lol:

Andy ... harsh mate, harsh :o

But true :lol:

BDG

06-Aug-2005, 12:04

RCA,

i've posted a few helpful comments on Alan P's thread 996 SPS thread for sale in the market place where you have also contributed

everton

06-Aug-2005, 12:12

Originally posted by Stu748R
996R without a doubt,i recently rode Henners low mileage example,what a glorious noise. All of the R's have soul and that hand made feel ,you can almost taste the passion.And chaps,lay off the R 1,i've got one too , i know which bike is better in the realworld for everyday use on the road.

Stu ... put like that (sensibly as you did) couldn't agree more about the 996R. But I'd rather have my 999R anyday.

As for the R1. I haven't ridden the latest model but rode 2000 and a 2003 reg model loads when my mate had one. Four of us used to ride, an R1, two blades and my SPS and we used to swap round regularly. Personally always prefered the blade actually and decided in the end to buy a VFR for work, commuting & two up touring but it just didn't do it for me.

In the end I chopped the VFR in for a MultiStuka and for everyday use that's the one I'd go for. I can't give you any tales of woe because every Duke I've ever owned (7 now) has always been super reliable and never let me down.

Touch wood :rolleye:

Stu748R

06-Aug-2005, 12:31

vive la difference!!!

To be fair i havn't ridden a 999R but have ridden a 749 and it IS a much better and more refined bike than my 748R. Am i being too honest?

everton

06-Aug-2005, 12:37

Originally posted by Stu748R
vive la difference!!!

To be fair i havn't ridden a 999R but have ridden a 749 and it IS a much better and more refined bike than my 748R. Am i being too honest?

Can't comment as I haven't ridden either but the 999R is eminently more usable than the 996SPS but has slightly (v.slightly) less soul - there honest enough?

keefer

06-Aug-2005, 13:39

Everton you were worried about me.
have you been on the beer flavoured crisps :P

bradders

06-Aug-2005, 13:47

Originally posted by Stu748R
vive la difference!!!

To be fair i havn't ridden a 999R but have ridden a 749 and it IS a much better and more refined bike than my 748R. Am i being too honest?

not really - havent ridden the latest style but its a 'heart' thing and as such is the only product I have bought that has been ruled by looks first...wanted one since they came out...then all the other stuff way after...newer probably is better but I would rather have a new gixxer K5 or R1 than a 999 coz if style doesnt come into it then these bikes will be at leats as good and cost half as much...Ducati = style and performance, Jap = performance and reliability, take the sytle away and you ainy got much left...you may as well have reliability instead

Mark

06-Aug-2005, 13:52

Originally posted by everton
Originally posted by Stu748R
vive la difference!!!

To be fair i havn't ridden a 999R but have ridden a 749 and it IS a much better and more refined bike than my 748R. Am i being too honest?

Can't comment as I haven't ridden either but the 999R is eminently more usable than the 996SPS but has slightly (v.slightly) less soul - there honest enough?

Outstanding Dave, who would have thought a true blue knew how to be honest.:frog:

Mark

06-Aug-2005, 13:54

So really, what has this shown us? What is better, the more common & newer 999R's or the rarer 996R and the slightly more common than the 6R 998R.

What do the prices tell us as well?

BDG

07-Aug-2005, 00:57

What makes me laff is the magazines that say Ducs are just for Sunday blasts. ********. In the last 4 months i've done 7000 miles on the 996R. Each day i walk past the Multi and use the R for commuting, touring, blasts out and the odd track day.

I look at it and it makes me feel good, i ride it and it makes me feel brilliant, do i give a ***** about the mileage, NO, ITS FUN. Get out there and enjoy now before winter comes.

The fun of nailing it thru France is one of lives big joys, this is the stuff dreams are made of, doesn't matter if its a 600SS or a 999R, the grin is the same.

Apart from the wife and kids that i adore, this is what i live for,
LIVE THE DREAM. Go out and bloody enjoy it, and be grateful.

Your bike is FUN, escapism at its best.:cool:

Sayz the man sat by the bonfire with drink in hand looking in the garage at the bikes. Life is good. (but the hangover won't be:()

[Edited on 7-8-2005 by BDG]

Bungi

07-Aug-2005, 14:33

Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by Bungi
Originally posted by RCA

R1
R7
SP2
998

and Iam happy.

Roger Roger - Derrick is on his way out!

[Edited on 5-8-2005 by RCA]

if there enough in your bike budget to afford 3 average jap bikes and you choose those out of preferance god help you.
because there no real sense there if you want something special. IMHO

Of my bike wish list, how many of the above bikes have you ever riden around a track? Thought not. No experiance = No opinion...zip it George.

you are so unessessary:mad:

ive owned 2 R1's (2002my) and ridden an R7 (very overrated by todays standards , but hey its the best thing in your garage right now)

i once threw my leg over an sp2 but befor i could pull away i was violently sick:lol::lol:

why come here asking for opinions then shoot your mouth off at the response, which was largely helpful and constructive untill you got brash

experiance!!!!! yes thank you i have plenty, as do many other members of a the club here:) so whats your name mr track god ???Carl Fogarty

do us all a favour and buy another jap bike then go join the relevent message board there:frog:

Stu748R

07-Aug-2005, 20:57

Your totaly right, but we dont need to **** them off to prove have good ours are,do we!!!!

JPM

08-Aug-2005, 12:28

Originally posted by Bungi

[i]Originally posted by bungi
the bostrum and baylis reps are very good spec bikes with most of the desired goodies if not the carbon. id always prefer the R models as the reps tend to look abit dated very quickly. unless your a real bostrum / bayliss fan. the bostrum is a bit more unuusal with just 155 made, the blue frame and wheels tend to make one consider that they are quite differant.

Frame, wheels, grips, seat pad, headlight bucket all different and there wasn't just 155 made, 155 for the US market, less power to meet emissions but carbon bodywork and signed tank, Euro spec "S" Engine but plastic bodywork. Bostrom rep isn't a race rep also due to tobacco advertising (L&M) it's a rep of his lid.

Also the Bayliss/Bostrom reps have Ohlins forks over the standard S model

so how comes the one i was gonna buy had plaque with **/155 on it?
ps it didnt have carbon bodywork or signed tank either
it was a uk bike!! :puzzled:

You're getting confused here! :puzzled:

They made 155 for the US market, but because the S motor didn't meet emissions they had to put the standard (non deep sump) motor in the bike, but because of less power they made up for it as it got carbon bodywork and the US bikes had the tank signed.

The Euro bikes (another 155 of them), did get the S motor, so plastic bodywork and the tanks weren't signed.

So you do have a bike with */155 and plastic bodywork and an unsigned tank - a UK bike