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I want to fit a Termi asymetrical to my 05 749. Just can, pipe and cover. No ecu as I'll get a power commander after xmas.
I'm concerned how loud they are as living in Nth Wales we get a lot of interest from the boys in blue.
Also who would be best to contact for a good deal?
Thanks
G
[Edited on 11-11-2005 by BIG-G]
Termi's on Dukes are nowhere near as offensive as loud pipes on Japcrap. However, nothing is as loud as Monty's Gilera - OFFICIAL :sing:
I had loud 50 mm pipes on my old 996(RIP) now have loud Termis on my S4. Ive never had any probs with the boys in blue. I think that its kind of expected that a Ducati will be loud. Bit like those Harleys with straight through pipes, You know its suppse to be loud just because its a Harley.
Hope that makes sense
Twinfan
11-Nov-2005, 10:37
I have the assymetric Termis on my 749S. They're pretty loud, quite a bit louder than standard. I've not had them on long, so I can't comment on the attention from the boys in blue. Being in North Wales, I know you're a target for noisy cans. I guess it's your choice if it's worth the risk. I have an (almost) legal size plate, and have had loud cans in the past without trouble.
I reckon a noisy can and a p155 taking numberplate will make you much more likely of a pull.
I've had Termi asymetric on my 03 749S for over a year now and done over 6,000 miles on them.
The CAN be loud, but only when you spank it, however at idle and lowish revs it just burbles (technical term) nicely and sounds brilliant. Compared to my wife's M620Sie with carbon Termis, it sounds more "raw" if you know what I mean. The 2 valve Monster has a deeper, more mellow sound, whereas the 4 valve 749 roars. Yeti is right that it is not anything like a Jap 4 howling away - nowhere near as offensive.
I live in a village full of old(ish) folk and I thought I was going to have trouble when I first got it fitted (after a year of std can). Not one single comment in over a year! I've ridden through town on many occassion and once I pulled alongside a copper in a car to wait for a couple of minutes in the next lane at some lights and he didn't even bat an eyelid. I was watching his reaction out of the corner of my eye, as were my mates behind me. So far, I've ridden past police and I just knock it into the hghest gear I can get away with and back the throttle off as much as possible. Hardly turns heads more than std then, until you open up again and then everyone turns to look. :bouncy: :burn:
dickieducati
11-Nov-2005, 11:02
102 dB
Oh, forgot to mention .... a lot of horses about our way and when I pass them on the road I pull in the clutch and let the revs drop. Not had any incident yet, and most people wave and nod thanks if you do that.
wafty cranker
11-Nov-2005, 11:18
Ive got a Termi system on mine mate, and I live in North Wales too and I have had no problems with the old bill. Thats hanging about around the Horseshoe pass, Betws-y-Coed etc, and never been close to being pulled.
As said earlier, I`m sure its expected on one of these, so it really is no problem. I just roll off the throttle when needed.
Anyway, when you get out next, fancy a meet? me and my mate, (749s), mess about up Ruthin / Abergele way (weather permitting). Drop me a U2U.
Originally posted by wafty cranker
Ive got a Termi system on mine mate, and I live in North Wales too and I have had no problems with the old bill. Thats hanging about around the Horseshoe pass, Betws-y-Coed etc, and never been close to being pulled.
As said earlier, I`m sure its expected on one of these, so it really is no problem. I just roll off the throttle when needed.
Anyway, when you get out next, fancy a meet? me and my mate, (749s), mess about up Ruthin / Abergele way (weather permitting). Drop me a U2U.
Will do. I was up at Woody's this week collecting bike after new fork seal. Busy this weekend but give you a U2U or visa versa
G
Martin Ducati Glasgow
11-Nov-2005, 13:18
I agree with all above:)
Just to throw in my 2p worth.
Ridden loads of Duc's with various different "loud" cans. The boys in blue in Strathclyde (seriously my hat goes off to them!) seem to be the best around. They always seem to turn a blind eye (within reason!).:D
Spoken to loads of them in the store and this is what they say: -
"You have a loud can, you take it easy through the built up areas (high gear, low revs etc) we'll generally leave you alone. If you hoon through, you deserve all you get and we'll do you on the spot!"
"Best tip we can give is to keep on a legal number plate. We get complaints from bikers that we can't see their bikes after they've been nicked, how can we if we can't read the plate 'cause it's the size of a postage stamp?!
Plus we know your trying to avoid the camera threat, doesn't matter that it looks better. You keep a legal plate on and as long as you don't give us a load of verbal, there is a good chance we'll send you on your way"
Now folks, this is a sweeping generalisation, but i've never (touch wood) been done for having loud pipes on a bike in Strathclyde. Been pulled a good few times for various degrees of nonsense but plod always turns a blind eye to the pipes.
Note: Always had a "tea tray!" legal plate on.
Loads of my mates who don't, have got done!
To me there is a clear pattern here: loud pipes + legal plate = better chance of survival!;)
Then again maybe i've just been lucky!
As i often said before, it is the pi55 take part thatll get you noticed, and or ticketed!
I run, (when im on the road) open 57mm system and a 7x5 carbon plate........both illegal and really no comeback if you are chosen to be done!
But applying a bit of sense with the noise level at certain locations does help.
The number plate is illegal, but it doesnt take the pss, its on two lines and in std font. It can be read by all cameras.
I have seen ducatis with the plate the size of the rear reflector.............you get all you deserve!
Originally posted by andyb
As i often said before, it is the pi55 take part thatll get you noticed, and or ticketed!
I run, (when im on the road) open 57mm system and a 7x5 carbon plate........both illegal and really no comeback if you are chosen to be done!
But applying a bit of sense with the noise level at certain locations does help.
The number plate is illegal, but it doesnt take the pss, its on two lines and in std font. It can be read by all cameras.
I have seen ducatis with the plate the size of the rear reflector.............you get all you deserve!
Surprised they can see anything with your arse! :lol:
nathanhu
11-Nov-2005, 13:47
my open termi system has been on the track with a 88db noise limit with no problems , (and they are strict !!)
the 57mm system i used to use was also under the 88db limit until it started to split and vibrate and i was pulled in for 89.5db
[Edited on 11-11-2005 by nathanhu]
posiden
11-Nov-2005, 16:32
Ive read the above with interest as Ive fitted a termi system on my 749s.
One question though - have you told your insurance company about the exhaust ?
If you trash the bike will they try and get out of paying up because youve got a dodgy pipe fitted?
These days they seem to try anything to get out paying up and a noisy pipe is giving them an excuse on a plate.
Oh the pipe sounds great.
Twinfan
11-Nov-2005, 16:37
You HAVE to tell your insurance. Not the worth the risk IMHO that they won't pay out.
If you choose the right insurer, it won't cost you any extra.
Originally posted by JPM
Originally posted by andyb
As i often said before, it is the pi55 take part thatll get you noticed, and or ticketed!
I run, (when im on the road) open 57mm system and a 7x5 carbon plate........both illegal and really no comeback if you are chosen to be done!
But applying a bit of sense with the noise level at certain locations does help.
The number plate is illegal, but it doesnt take the pss, its on two lines and in std font. It can be read by all cameras.
I have seen ducatis with the plate the size of the rear reflector.............you get all you deserve!
Surprised they can see anything with your arse! :lol:
Dont talk about the other arf lke that!:lol::lol:
Originally posted by Twinfan
You HAVE to tell your insurance. Not the worth the risk IMHO that they won't pay out.
If you choose the right insurer, it won't cost you any extra.
I told my insurance broker. I also told them about the carbon etc and that I was thinking about a slipper clutch. They said only mods that affected performance would make a difference. As it happened, the asymetric can made a difference of about £120 on my premium bringing it up to £440 fully comp. Think I'll be shopping around again next year! I'm not even sure they'd pay out the value on the Termi, it just loads the policy to have it fitted. Not even THAT much of a performance boost either to be honest! :sniff:
Oh, I'm with Carole Nash btw. Can't remember who then insurer is though, probably NIG.
posiden
11-Nov-2005, 17:20
Isnt it strange that your insurance company will take £120 off you to insure something that isnt road legal !
Originally posted by posiden
Isnt it strange that your insurance company will take £120 off you to insure something that isnt road legal !
Hmmm .. yeah. Odd that, but they didn't seem too worried about that.
Scotty Monster
11-Nov-2005, 17:23
i remember being down in matlock a while ago
and some lad pulled up (i mean old man realy must have been in his 30's) and then reved the tits off his bike before killing it, in a look at me look at me sort of neeeeeeeeed attention sorta way , and out of knowhere came the blue lights the officer wasnt very happy , but oddly enough told laddy gave him a mouthfull and he actually buggered off which i thought was odd , i was about to leave but 'had to' wait a bit for the lone boy in blue to dissapear (paranoia dont ya know).
How loud are Termis?
Depends how much packing is left in 'em
Originally posted by Jools
How loud are Termis?
Depends how much packing is left in 'em
... and what revs you are doing, and how your fuel/air micture is set up. For example,std fuel maps are likely to have a rich spot at 5,500 which is where the noise test is done - richer mixture deepens the exhaust note. It's all about perception, mostly. You can get away with it if you're sensible (ish!) :smug:
Race noise limit is 105dba, my TZ was measured on the main straight at Donington at 103.6dba-the Gilera with a supposedly 'road legal' Conti on it measured at 109.7 at Brands down the main straight, and I got Black flagged. It's dammed hard to keep singles quiet, and to be fair the conti is supposed to be on a low(ish) compression 'V' twin not a high compression 4 valve single with lots of valve overlap. I have heard it described as 'offensive'.:lol:
John
butch890
11-Nov-2005, 18:58
Originally posted by Monty
Race noise limit is 105dba, my TZ was measured on the main straight at Donington at 103.6dba-the Gilera with a supposedly 'road legal' Conti on it measured at 109.7 at Brands down the main straight, and I got Black flagged. It's dammed hard to keep singles quiet, and to be fair the conti is supposed to be on a low(ish) compression 'V' twin not a high compression 4 valve single with lots of valve overlap. I have heard it described as 'offensive'.:lol:
John
Bloody right it is!
You should be ashamed!:lol:
Butch
gaz3014
11-Nov-2005, 23:47
Gonna ask a really bone question now, but was woundering what is a the differance between a 'Asymetric system', and what is supposed to be standard. Is it the size of the pipes??
I have an '04 999R, with the race system that comes with it, but haven't got a clue about what it is, and it's dimensions!!!!:puzzled:
Cheers Guys!
aye up gaz ! got me 100 posts now !! asymetric thingy means its a half system , one big pipe minus cat , an one standard (smaller dia ) pipe rear cylinder ! but you get the loud bit which is basically the same , can that is . full system has two pipes of the same dia but more important the same (ish)length wiv the same loud bit , different connection plate as in the 05 999s transformation kit :lol:! basically as long as its set up right (fuelin for both cylinders ) your average to fast road rider is better off wiv an asym ( cost aswell as owt ) system !! in my opinion !!!! full systems tend " in my opinion " to be sh*t hot on the track , but sh*t on,t road , throttle response at low revs zilch !
;)my opinion ;)
ace
ace, why do they behave so differently then? do you know?
in what respect mate ? if you mean full systems " headers an all there designed to run at good rpm i.e get rid of all the **** as quick as poss , race bikes dont usually wait at traffic lights for too long :D a good fueled asym sounds the bollox and is user friendley "in my opinion"
ace :flame::burn::burn:
and another thing , my mates just bought a micron system for his BUELL with serpent headers :o:o wot do we think about them hey :D:D:D
hmmm ... I was thinking about the one cylinder being different to the other (pipe wise). I can't see why that would be a good thing, unless the length/dia of each is balanced out so they effectively look the same to the engine?
what you're saying here then is that "bigger is not neccessarily better" when it comes to exhausts
all depends wot the engine is being asked to do , and of couse the amount of fuel your chuckin in !! you obviousley need enough pipe area to dispose of spent gasses without causin an obstruction , as i said earlier my mate has fitted serpant headers to his buell , these are supposed to smooth the passage of gasses (stop tumblin ) to give less resistance , they look like some yts lads had a go with the pipebender to me , but there supposed to work !!!! any way these are just my opinions , i,m a buildin site labourer after all :puzzled::puzzled:
Originally posted by dickieducati
102 dB
I think it,s 102 db ish
gaz3014
12-Nov-2005, 18:56
Cheers Ace, it clears up a few things!!!
Had thought about a 57mm system, but think I'll stick wiv wot I've got and just get a PC111 fittes and re-mapped.
Cheers Mate!;)
DamianCross
12-Nov-2005, 21:37
I am also looking at the Termi's for my 05 749. I plan on doing the asym (half) kit with ECU etc etc.
Anyone had a dyno done before/after termi's on a 749? ...or simply know what affect she (Termi) has on the power curve?
Ta!
I never had a dyno run done before, but I am pretty sure that the Power Commander will give a smoother power curve than the Termi ECU, because of the compromises that the manufacturers have ot go through for noise, emmisions etc. Having said that, I might end up with a brand new 'unkeyed' asymetric Termi ECU that I might sell once they come back in stock again. I can't see me swapping the std ECU and PC3 for a stock ECU again.
philthy
12-Nov-2005, 22:53
Just a thought -
I think my original alloy 851 exhausts had a ducati logo and a serial number stamped on them. If you had an ally plate made up with the number and logo and riveted it onto the carbon exhaust, would you then be able to say to the m.o.t. inspector / traffic cops that you were convinced that it was the original exhaust?
If so I might be able to get some made...............:)
Phil
The problem in my case is the "not for road use" ( or is it "for racing use only") stamped on the underside of the can. :o
Originally posted by philthy
Just a thought -
I think my original alloy 851 exhausts had a ducati logo and a serial number stamped on them. If you had an ally plate made up with the number and logo and riveted it onto the carbon exhaust, would you then be able to say to the m.o.t. inspector / traffic cops that you were convinced that it was the original exhaust?
If so I might be able to get some made...............:)
Phil
I think any markings on the exhaust have to be indelably marked,....i.e stamped or etched in.
There are loads of BSAU stickers and plates available on Fleabay.I think by fitting these you run the risk of 'perverting the cause of justice' or summat.
after xmas i should have a few dyno graphs if anybodies interested in seein em ( santas bringin me a power comander a mate of mine runs his own dyno so i should get plenty of messin about time for my money ! gunner do some comparison runs , i.e standard can ,termi asym , you know the score , also gunner run up with , 14 tooth front , did a gear alteration (two up on rear ) on my busa and liked it , to get a road speed type test , 1 down on front = about 2 1/4 on rear i think :puzzled: . should make interestin viewin , oh and plenty of pics of the duke being abused ot dyno :cool: also i like the clock shots when its screamin , :cool:
DamianCross
13-Nov-2005, 16:39
Ace, sounds like you are gonna have some fun! Please keep me up-to-date on your progress... Where are you located?
749S already has 14T on front sprocket, so I added 2 on the rear. It livened it up a hell of a lot. I ran it for half this year like that, and whilst it is much more responsive on the road it does run out of steam at the top end on the track. Depends what you're after I guess
yep thats the name of the game, trial an error , 14 front seems good for999s road , i would think 14 f an 2 up on rear on 999 an excitin prospect :D interestin to see what the s tops out at with 14 on !
DamianCross
13-Nov-2005, 18:02
I figure Im going to get the Termi's regardless of power difference etc. A Ducati is simply not a Ducati without Termi's :-p ... it would be nice to know what sort of power difference will achieve beforehand though.
York, West, is a bit of a ride from west London.... flag that idea :(
I don't reckon I got any increase in peak power, but fitting the Termi itself (or it's ECU) increased the responsiveness and the midrange. That plus the sound make it worthwhile. Adding the Power Commander recently changed it again and it is now like a different bike to ride. You get used to a bike after a while, and I've had the 749s for 2 years now from new, so doing something that makes it feel "fresh" again makes a big difference to the experience.
Road Runner
13-Nov-2005, 18:32
I have put the standard cans back on :flame:
As the plod said that nicked me I could here you coming half a mile away.
I guess Surrey police are not so forgiving:flame::flame:
Still awaiting the summonds:sniff::sniff:
DamianCross
13-Nov-2005, 18:37
HW, yeah, I figured as much. However, I am looking to benefit from the reduced weight (approx 6kg's according to Daytona...??), i.e. power/weight ratio. Yeah, the power commander sounds like the 'must-have' after the Termi's. Happy 'fresh' riding :-D
DamianCross
13-Nov-2005, 18:40
I've heard that about Surrey police. I've always been told to increase the gear, or put it in neutral during Police 'ride-by's ;-) Sorry to hear about the summons. Try contacting MCN to see if they can provide any advice - they're a helpful bunch they are... :)
Is that Thames Valley area? We were stopped last year on a Sunday returning from a weekend of drinking and riding around Bletchley. It was a mass hold up in a village car park. Everyone was being pulled in for a "safety check". All out number plates and cans were checked to make sure they were "safe". No brakes, suspension or anything else was checked. A few tickets were handed out ... oh and a few leaflets about their website were given out to support the "safety check" excuse. That was when my mate on a Falco was told he could have been done twice, once for each can (discussed and debunked on another thread). I had totally standard bike at the time, apart from my dark visor which I flipped up when I saw us being waved in, and kept the helmut visor towards the ground in the carpark. Anyway, a year and 6000 miles later and I've managed to keep out of trouble.
at the end of the day boys , and girls , no sexism here , if we put these parts on expect the worse , and be thankful if plods havin a good day !!
"if you car,nt do the time dont do the crime " as they say :)
by the way does anybody know the exact speed that you can pass through a speed camera without it registerin you ? an dont say within the speed limit !!!
distance covered , time elapsed type thing , i rekon its got to be about 150 !!
DamianCross
14-Nov-2005, 00:04
Jeremy Clarkson did that speed camera test in a variety of cars on Top Gear... pretty funny stuff, despite Jeremy being a hypocritical S.O.B. I think the TVR did the trick at around 180mph - anyone know the exact speed?.
Anyway, at the lower end of the scale I use a 10% margin as my rule of thumb, e.g. 30mph + 10% = 33mph max.
I agree, if you can't do the time, dont do the crime --- but where's the fun in that?!
I think the police use the 10% +2 rule, and I think gatsos are set to same? UK Speed Traps (http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk) has a whealth of info on various types of traps, accuracy, detectors etc.
Edited to correct URL
[Edited on 14-11-2005 by HW]
hay damian im no spoil sport , i run a 999s wiv termi an a small,ish :D plate , im just say,in if i cop for a pull fair does !!!! pay the man !!!
wafty cranker
14-Nov-2005, 08:16
Slightly off the original Termi subject, but carrying on with the old bill topic, went out yesterday for a quick jaunt around where I live (N.Wales), and passed a V70 on the side of the road. Noticed him giving me a glare, I carried on, shuffled my elbows to give me the one inch of rear view vision my mirrors allow me (999!), and saw him turning round.
So, I saved him the hassle and pulled over. Anyways, he nicked me for an "un-safe" number plate ! He said we cant see you if you go through speed cameras! Nice enough guy, and he also said that Richard Brunstrom (Chief Constable) was a tosser of the record, which I found most amusing.
But, when he pulled me, He asked if I knew what he had come after me for? Now, I had a dark visor, termi`s, small plate. Jesus I was scared to answer incase I pointed out something he had missed lol...
Just the plate, didnt mention the visor, or the termis........
But, he did say, put the big plate back on, and buy some of that spray stuff from the internet that hides the numbers from gatso`s !!
Good old North Wales bobbies !
Nice one WC I'll tell the boys.
Which road were you on
G
wafty cranker
14-Nov-2005, 19:29
Mold-Denbigh road mate, he was on the corner near the Denbigh Showground.
He wasnt on the lookout for excessive speed as such, just sat there.
Could have been worse I guess, could have been for the visor and the can, so £30 is a bargain :p
Neil
DamianCross
14-Nov-2005, 19:56
http://www.safeplate.co.uk/ :-D
bike mad
18-Nov-2005, 18:07
dont beleave what you read, I dont think it works and if check this out I think your under stand y,http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/wld500.htm,
:flame::burn::burn:
Originally posted by BIG-G
I want to fit a Termi asymetrical to my 05 749. Just can, pipe and cover. No ecu as I'll get a power commander after xmas.
I'm concerned how loud they are as living in Nth Wales we get a lot of interest from the boys in blue.
Also who would be best to contact for a good deal?
Thanks
G
[Edited on 11-11-2005 by BIG-G]
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