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RIP .... A fallen legend, but a legend none the less ... players like George put the beauty into "the beautiful game" ....
Originally posted by DIBBLE
RIP .... A fallen legend, but a legend none the less ... players like George put the beauty into "the beautiful game" ....
Sorry Dibbs I wish I could share in your sentiment.!!!
But I can't, he was given a second chance and threw it away.
He has spent more time on a pub floor then ever he did on the football pitch. Maybe now he will find the peace he in life he was always looking for. RIP George.
Stand by for the hail storm
888heaven
24-Nov-2005, 23:24
Jon
Sorry Dibbs I wish I could share in your sentiment.!!!
I'm afraid as much as he was an outstanding footballer I just wonder if there is a young person that has lost their life due to not getting the transplant that GB had and would have really appreciated a new lease of life to cherish.
All I can think of is the surgeons wasted skills.
ian
philthy
24-Nov-2005, 23:24
Alcohol - One of the most addictive drugs on earth. If you've never craved your first drink of the day before 7 a.m. you wouldn't understand.
Phil
I feel really sad about the state of one of the worlds greatest footballers.
But i was really p1ssed off with the ITV news at 10.30 followed by Granada soccer night to be shown at midnight, all about the life and times of George Best when as off 23.00 hours he was still alive, yet everyone was talking as if he was actually dead.
Can't they leave stuff like this untill he has unfortunately passed away, then RIP.
(sorry Dibble, rant directed at the TV not you mate)
[Edited on 25-11-2005 by BDG]
Henners
25-Nov-2005, 01:29
sbwells
25-Nov-2005, 01:33
Some quotes from the old boy:
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
I used to go missing a lot... Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World.
George Best
I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
George Best
I'd have to be superman to do some of the things I'm supposed to have done, I've been at six different places at six different times.
George Best
I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best
Robert Redford used to be such a handsome man and now look at him: everything has dropped, expanded and turned a funny colour
I've always liked:
"I've got a thirst like George Best after a Rivita munching session in the Sahara Desert"
doogalman
25-Nov-2005, 07:43
I think this is the first time all the press are giving epitaphs when the subject is still alive. Drunken p$%s-head in my opion. Ditto the other remark about organ doner.
Seems he's still with us as I write this but not for much longer.
Whatever his downfall there is no doubting he was a genius on the football pitch who brought pleasure to many, and for that alone his passing is sad.
As ever at this time, thoughts should surely be for his surviving family.
dickieducati
25-Nov-2005, 09:18
no sympathy at all for him. sorry
MarkyMark76
25-Nov-2005, 09:21
No me neither. And he's still alive.
neilkeogh
25-Nov-2005, 09:33
it's so nice to read the charitable comments made about a flawed genius......people in glasshouses eh?
what is at the end of the day that alcholism is still not recognised as an illness, yes he was given a chance but who hasn't in life
in my opinion the best player ever to wear boots in this country, maybe his club did not look after him the same way as they do nowadays
he's hanging on at the mo but gods speed my man, condolences to his family RIP
rcgbob44
25-Nov-2005, 09:37
Sorry but I also have no sympathy for him after he was given a second chance which someone else could have used!:flame:
You're a bloody shower! The poor f****r isn't even bloody dead yet! :mad:
Originally posted by yeti
You're a bloody shower! The poor f****r isn't even bloody dead yet! :mad:
Yeti, I didn't say he was dead, just paying respects, maybe I worded it wrongly, but the sentiment remains the same. It wasn't meant to offend, just that usually we say these things too late to say.
antonye
25-Nov-2005, 10:37
Having had dinner with him and chatting to him for the evening, he is actually a very nice bloke as well as being a legend on the pitch.
He's certainly not been "careful" with his second chance, but then that was the kind of guy he was, and the world will be a much sadder place without people like that.
Tonio600
25-Nov-2005, 10:57
Who's Mr. Best? And best of what? What did he wrong?
neilkeogh
25-Nov-2005, 11:05
What do you mean who's Mr Best? best of what?
Sounds like you are taking the p..s out of a dying man, very tasteful indeed
Tonio600
25-Nov-2005, 11:05
I've found answers to the 2 first questions, but I still don't understand what was wrong with him. Did he get a liver which could haved another life or something like this?
Tonio600
25-Nov-2005, 11:09
Message original : neilkeogh
What do you mean who's Mr Best? best of what?
Sounds like you are taking the p..s out of a dying man, very tasteful indeed
Sorry about that. I didn't want to hurt you. And I will never take the p..s (whatever it means) out of a dying man, could he be Brit, French or Nigerian. Just trying to understand why that person is creating so different reactions to all of you. Must be a complex topic.
dickieducati
25-Nov-2005, 11:16
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : neilkeogh
What do you mean who's Mr Best? best of what?
Sounds like you are taking the p..s out of a dying man, very tasteful indeed
Sorry about that. I didn't want to hurt you. And I will never take the p..s (whatever it means) out of a dying man, could he be Brit, French or Nigerian. Just trying to understand why that person is creating so different reactions to all of you. Must be a complex topic.
antoine, he's a very famous british footballer, who was also very fond of lots of diferent women and lots of drink. he was given a new liver as he ruined his own one and then proceeded to carry on drinking and ruin this one.
antonye
25-Nov-2005, 11:17
He was a very famous and very, very good footballer in the late 1960s and early 70s. Even Pele said he was the best footballer he'd ever seen.
One of the very first, if not the first, to be a superstar in the footballing world when it was full of bald old men. Very fashionable and good looking, he slept his way around plenty of Miss Worlds and drunk enough booze to sink a ship.
He quit football at 26 and spent the rest of his life on the ****. He was an alcoholic (read: addicted to drink) and had a liver transplant in 2002. Because of his addiction, he found it very difficult to give up drink, and went back to boozing after the op. He's now critically ill in hospital with multiple organ failure, complicated by the anti-rejection drugs he was taking for the transplant.
For more, see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4090840.stm
[Edited on 25-11-2005 by antonye]
Originally posted by neilkeogh
What do you mean who's Mr Best? best of what?
Sounds like you are taking the p..s out of a dying man, very tasteful indeed
My father was an alcoholic, so I feel qualified to comment ...
they cannot resist, so Best never ever deserved a transplant.
In my opinion he stole someone else's chance for a better life.
And as far as his family were concerned, I will bet that they have been waiting for him to kill himself with drink for a very very long time.
A fantastic, mesmerising footballer in his time.
Which doesnt have anything to do with him being a sad case for most of his life.
antonye
25-Nov-2005, 11:47
Originally posted by phil_h
My father was an alcoholic, so I feel qualified to comment ...
they cannot resist, so Best never ever deserved a transplant.
In my opinion he stole someone else's chance for a better
Nobody has the right to chose who gets allocated an organ, and certainly not based on lifestyle.
While it may be true that someone else may have not received the organ and died as a result, we may also have had an outcome where that organ went to waste as it could not be transferred in time, or Bestie died from complication, in surgery, or it was rejected by his body - all very likely possibilities.
Nobody decides to become an alcoholic, and with alcoholism all reason goes out of the window.
Alcoholism in George Best's life was only one small part of a vicious circle that kept him in self destruct mode, but the one thing that most people know him for.
A very sad tale, unfortunately.
dickieducati
25-Nov-2005, 12:08
Originally posted by antonye
Nobody has the right to chose who gets allocated an organ, and certainly not based on lifestyle.
i really am going off on a tangent here but i think you should be able to, and i think we are going that way. is it suffolk health authority who are now not giving hip and knee replacements to fat people?
phoenix n max
25-Nov-2005, 12:15
I thought they did choose to a degree as to who would benefit the best from the people at the top of the list in most need ?
antonye
25-Nov-2005, 12:44
A "priority case" is not the same as choosing who gets what. Obviously there is some degree of waiting list based on who has the greater need, but this does not, and should not, rule out people based on *lifestyle*.
I've never really liked football, or the 'celebrity culture' and didn't really take much notice of George Best or his antics. Having said that, he's still a human being with people that love and care for him, and his untimely death will be a sad loss to them, and to some who hold to his legend.
His path in life has given him highs that few of us will ever experience, fame, adulation and the chance to sleep with a string of the world's most beautiful women. It's also bought him to incredible lows that most of us will never experience, and all the time his life has been in the glare of media attention.
Being human means that George Best has his failings, just like every one of us. Most of us don't experience the highest highs or the lowest lows - we tread the middle ground and maybe our failings as human beings don't result in such wild fluctuations in life. However, if there is one thing that I've learned in life is that all of us are walking a tightrope between success and failure. All of us. I guess the phrase "there but for the grace of god..." applies.
I've never suffered from addiction, but it doesn't have to be addiction that shoves you sideways off the tightrope. Bad judgement, life choices, disease, natural disasters or just pure bad luck can see even the most settled, affluent and self-satisfied lives crumble in the blink of an eye. I would just ask the less sympathetic people to ponder on that.
In terms of suitability for transplant - there are always if's, but's and maybe's. By definition we all enjoy motorcycling, does that mean that if we needed a transplant we should be ruled out because our lifestyle is higher risk?
Harv748
25-Nov-2005, 13:18
Originally posted by dickieducati
i really am going off on a tangent here but i think you should be able to, and i think we are going that way. is it suffolk health authority who are now not giving hip and knee replacements to fat people?
again...apologies for going off topic here, but thats an interesting point Dickie.
If a person makes the effort to stay fit and stay out of hospital by regular exercise (running/cycling/aerobics) etc...are they then to be refused because they wear out there joints prematurely!!!
[Edited on 25-11-2005 by Harv748]
Originally posted by Harv748
Originally posted by dickieducati
i really am going off on a tangent here but i think you should be able to, and i think we are going that way. is it suffolk health authority who are now not giving hip and knee replacements to fat people?
again...apologies for going off topic here, but thats an interesting point Dickie.
If a person makes the effort to stay fit and stay out of hospital by regular exercise (running/cycling/aerobics)
etc...are they then to be refused because they wear out there joints prematurely!!!
[Edited on 25-11-2005 by Harv748]
It is Suffolk Health Authority-Ipswich Hospital-they are several millions in the red and are having to make savings. I think the whole thing about overweight people not getting new joints until they lose weight has been siezed on by the press as a 'good' story. The actual fact of the matter is that ANY operation which involves a general anaesthetic is more risky if you are overweight and most surgeons will advise/insist that you lose weight before they will operate. Having said all that, if you are overweight and they replace a hip joint the repair is put under extra strain and is more likely to fail because of the extra loading-simple maths really.
John
[Edited on 25-11-2005 by Monty]
Originally posted by dickieducati
i really am going off on a tangent here but i think you should be able to, and i think we are going that way. is it suffolk health authority who are now not giving hip and knee replacements to fat people?
No, like every other health authority they treat people on the basis of clinical need. What they do is to ask fat people to try losing weight before their operation and defer their operation to give them chance to lose the required weight. They do this for very good reasons.
Surgery is far less complex and the outcome is likely to be much more successful
Recovery and rehabilitation is much quicker because people are fitter and don't need to put as much weight on new joints
The long term viability of the replacement joint is much improved
So, if the fat people lose weight before their op, by definition they're not as fat as the threshold weight.
If someone really needed the op and couldn't lose weight they'd still have the op
neilkeogh
25-Nov-2005, 14:13
BBC news have just announced that Georgie Best has passed away:(
Gods speed my boy RIP:(
He has just lost the fight, what a way for an amazing talant to leave this world. I just hope the publicity of his illness makes people think twice and take action if they find themselves in a similar situation due to excessive drinking.
bradders
25-Nov-2005, 14:19
some peolpe on here are complete arses!!
firstly, Best deserved his transplant as much as anyone else, all those who complain, have you contributed as much as he did to society, newspaper columns, creating jobs, entertainment...the list goes on?!
secondly, and a personal gripe, the 'fat' person stuff is usually based on that crap measurement of BMI...think TP put something up about this a while ago. Also, there are conditions, belive it or not, which canot be treated with more excercise and less food...FACT. and do you not think that, if it were as easy as eating balanced diets and a bit of excercise, there would be no-one overweight! WAKE UP!!
Jools - spot on with the comment re risks.
my view is simple - contribute to the country, the economy and the health service and you should get all you can back - and for once I will be rude and say those who disagree are wrong, plain and simple.
I wont look at this post again because know I will react to any comments added in response and I would not like to lose some of the respect & freindly approach I have for some DSCers.
RIP George Best, a legend in more than 1 way:(
His brave son is speaking to the media right now, what a wonderful dignified stance given the media farce that has surrounded this. NO way should obituaries been out before his death, why is that some idiots in this world think that have ownership of people in the public eye.
George's father has just asked the press to leave them in peace.
philthy
25-Nov-2005, 21:04
I have just been watching some old footage of George Best on the pitch. Even though having no particular interest in the game I was absoloutely mesmerised watching him literally run rings around the other players.
Many geniuses seem to have serious flaws, as if it is natures way of counterbalancing their gifts.
With George , sadly it was booze that killed him. It was his passion. Should he have been given a new liver?..... Probably not, but that was the decision of his doctors.
Should people who have replacement organs due to a motorcycle crash have their motorcycle licenses revoked?
The ironic part of this is he died the day after extended drinking hours were brought in. I imagine that there will be far more people needing new livers in the future as a result of the new laws.
R.I.P. George. You were obviously '' A bit of a lad ''
Tantrum992
25-Nov-2005, 22:55
A hero once, but that was a long time ago. He died as nothing more than just another alcoholic, he was given a second chance which is more than joe public would have got, sorry but no respect for someone that is on a mission of self destruction with no care what so ever of the affect it has on loved ones. And yes, before i get shot down for my opinion i do know what im talking about!!!
Real McCoy
25-Nov-2005, 23:15
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2227/aaa7at.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Here here except he was never my hero
rip
Well,having read all the above I wonder, will we learn any thing from this, I doubt it. All these so called hero's even now are mostly **** heads, payed too much money and we hear about them in the media all the time . How many more George Best's will we read about in 10/15 years, how long will we remember until the next one comes along. Personally, watching the man kick a ball about I found entertaining but thats all he did , there are other that have done more for mankind than George Best . George has gone his family have to suffer the backlash of his death, its them I feel sorry for 4D
[Edited on 26-11-2005 by Fordie]
great footballer could have been even greater if the old play boy hadent have surfaced. dam waist of a good liver though george
Rattler
26-Nov-2005, 13:26
The responsees are playing a generation game.
Most here know of George beacuse of his drinking talent, not his football talent.
A fallen hero.
Tim
I'm firmly in the 'no sympathy' camp for many of the reasons already stated, but as I discussed this with a colleague yesterday, he told me a few things about the organ doner process which are worth repeating.
Devils advocate mode on...
Organs are allocated using a number of rules, the first of which is tissue typing.
The number of suitable recipients for an available organ are actually very low.
When one is available, all compatible recipients are rated for suitability.
This takes into consideration the recipients health and ability to survive the procedure.
Simply put, Best was statistically the most suitable recipient available at the time, despite his illness.
I didn't change my opinion of Best, but it did make me think that I'm no better informed to judge organ placement than I am to judge any other part of the clinical care provided by our Health Service.
Rich
Rushjob
26-Nov-2005, 20:37
Whatever our views on his life, can we all agree with one sentiment?
The title of the thread.
Rest in Peace George.
Endex.
Redruth
26-Nov-2005, 21:23
We're all human, however much talent we may or may not have.
RIP George. I think this thread should be put to bed.
ericthered40
26-Nov-2005, 21:29
Cheers mate :cool:
R I P
Washboard
27-Nov-2005, 11:47
A light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long.
It's just the way it is! witness; Joey Dunlop, Steve Hislop, Jarno Saarinen, Jochen Rindt, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Brian Jones, et al
If you wouldn't give an alcoholic a new liver, would you also not help a motorcycle racer who has crashed?
An alcoholic chooses the next drink, a motorcycle racer chooses to ride on the edge knowing the risks.
I cannot understand the negative expressions of people who out of ignorance disapprove of George Best. In his time he filled peoples hearts with joy through his footballing gift. In what should have been his private life he had a personal problem. Simple as that! If you want to criticise someone choose the people who gave him the liver. Not George for accepting it. What the F.... would you do?
WeeJohnyB
27-Nov-2005, 18:46
I've been biting my lip for a bit, but have to reply to this. I'm not surprised, but I am saddened by some of the comments in this post.
Firstly, yes I have first hand experience of this and have lived with the effects of it every day for the past 30 years. Anything that we recognise as an addiction is impossibly complex to 'cure'. Despite knowing someone in a very sad posiiton, I still like a drink like a lot of people, but I've no idea what stops me being addicted to something that is proven to be a habitual 'drug' and others in some way sucumb to it.
Few could dispute GB's footballing skills, even Pele said he was the best he'd ever played against in I think the world biggest sport, possibly the second best player ever, he was truly a genius with a ball at his feet, nobody in the sport has come close since. I wonder what he'd have been like in this generation with all the awareness and support that is available. Still he had that during the second half of his life and it only prolonged the inevitable.
To have no knowledge of the organ donor process, it must be enlightening to be able to pass judgement the way some have done. In any case, classic hindsight, I admire your ability to have read into the future at that point and realised that the transplant wasn't going to save the life of the second best ever footballer in the world - it may well have been the moment of truth that he was searching most of his life for. Sadly it wasn't.
As for the comments on 'fat' people, well they're just extraordinary. I suppose rape victims deserve it because they were wearing a short skirt and the homeless shouldn't be given anything because they obviously brought it upon themselves and of course all aids victims knew what they were doing. I suppose none of you drink, smoke, eat too much fatty food, too much salt etc. (or ride a bike as some have pointed out)
It must be great being you, with your perfect values and perfect lifestyle, it must be overwhelming to have such high morals all the time, I wish you well.
I hope George's family and friends don't read this post.
Rest in Peace George.
WeeJohnyB
[Edited on 27-11-2005 by WeeJohnyB]
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