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Owning a motorbike in England.
Lets face it, England is a dump. The criminal justice supports the criminal. How can the police with straight faces, urge the public to rely on the law, when we all accept the law is an ass. The police are sh*t scared of the criminals and are totally powerless. We are surrounded by drugs addicts, organised bike thieves, and imports of a mixed variety with no identity, you cannot trust any ****er. The fact is you can NEVER leave your bike out of site. If you have to do this, even if it is locked, you may as well leave the keys in it and the engine running, leave your helmet for them as well.
I cannot sympathise with anyone thus far who has had their bike stolen. I cannot believe people are stupid enough to take a bike to a track (especially a ‘flash’ Ducati), leaving it unattended for several hours, relying on a bunch of reprobate security staff? WTF???!! and as for parking a Ducati outside, unattended, Iam amazed at peoples niavety.
And it’s no good posting empty threats toward the criminals unless you are prepared to follow them through, and look what happend to Tony Martin.... Most bike thieves are gangs, who don’t have the mentally that you or I have. My dad had a works van stolen last year, fully loaded, he made a few enquires, was given a name, but was advised to leave well alone....
My advice, don’t give the opportunist the opportunity in the first place.
1. Keep the bike in the House. If this is not psychical possible, then move house, (I did). If you partner ‘does not want a bike in the house’, tell them to move out (I did).
2. Alarm the House.
3. Chain the bike to something fixed, like a radiator and remove the wheel nuts.
4. Immobilise & Alarm the bike.
5. Buy a large dog and keep it hungry, (not starving!).
If you cannot do any of the above, move to Spain or Italy (No ice, cheper beer, slimmer girls).
RA
antonye
07-Dec-2005, 11:52
I get the feeling you have some issues you'd like to discuss...
loverobot
07-Dec-2005, 13:09
so are you saying your dad should have parked his van in the house, booted out your mum and chained it to a radiator?:smug:
loverobot
07-Dec-2005, 13:10
whilst i agree that people should be careful i think your post ignores the fact that it takes seconds not hours to nick a bike
Originally posted by RCA
Iam amazed at peoples niavety.
Blimey, who rattled his cage????? :sing:
Originally posted by loverobot
so are you saying your dad should have parked his van in the house, booted out your mum and chained it to a radiator?:smug:
No, you have taken/what I meant out of context. You know what I mean.
..england is a dump...
England is what you make it.
You have a choice in this Democratic land.
Sell the bike, eat the dog, move to spain?
Originally posted by loverobot
whilst i agree that people should be careful i think your post ignores the fact that it takes seconds not hours to nick a bike
Which is my point, NEVER leave the bike unattended, even for 5 seconds. If the circumstances at the time make this difficult to do, don't be suprised when it's vanished.
In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl'.
Originally posted by yeti
Originally posted by RCA
Iam amazed at peoples niavety.
Blimey, who rattled his cage????? :sing:
The section of the biking community who cause MY premiums to increase each year. It's simple, less claims, cheaper premiums. Met a guy on a ride last week. Had his SP1 nicked, along with his £450 helment. Rode to Asda, people everywhere, left the bike right outside the doors. Came back, bike gone, taxi home. His attitude, well I'll get paid out.......:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by loverobot
whilst i agree that people should be careful i think your post ignores the fact that it takes seconds not hours to nick a bike
Which is my point, NEVER leave the bike unattended, even for 5 seconds. If the circumstances at the time make this difficult to do, don't be suprised when it's vanished.
In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl'.
1 - how do you ever get any work done if you don't leave your bike unattended, even for 5 seconds.
2 - "In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl2" - for those of us old enough to remember, that was originally by One hundred ton and a feather (also known as Jonathan King).
multi600
07-Dec-2005, 14:20
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place (bike park). The only bike I have ever had nicked (DT 175) was one Christmas morning I run out of petrol. I chained the bike to a lamp post and a concrete bench. 25mins later it had gone, I just rely on the insurance now that's what it's there for.
Originally posted by multi600
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place
Just curious, where do you live? Full address and postcode, give me a shout next time you are on Holiday!;)
Originally posted by multi600
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place (bike park). The only bike I have ever had nicked (DT 175) was one Christmas morning I run out of petrol. I chained the bike to a lamp post and a concrete bench. 25mins later it had gone, I just rely on the insurance now that's what it's there for.
This has GOT to be a wind up?
multi600
07-Dec-2005, 14:37
Life is too short to waste locking and unlocking bikes they are for riding. In total 18 bikes in two garages both in same block. Both with same level of security, chill out man and no this is not a wind up. Just how things are.
Originally posted by guest1
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by loverobot
whilst i agree that people should be careful i think your post ignores the fact that it takes seconds not hours to nick a bike
Which is my point, NEVER leave the bike unattended, even for 5 seconds. If the circumstances at the time make this difficult to do, don't be suprised when it's vanished.
In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl'.
1 - how do you ever get any work done if you don't leave your bike unattended, even for 5 seconds.
2 - "In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl2" - for those of us old enough to remember, that was originally by One hundred ton and a feather (also known as Jonathan King).
1.To summarise my point. If you leave a bike, outside, unattended, expect it to get stolen.
2. You old git! Very good! :P
Originally posted by multi600
Life is too short to waste locking and unlocking bikes they are for riding. In total 18 bikes in two garages both in same block. Both with same level of security, chill out man and no this is not a wind up. Just how things are.
:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:: flame::flame:
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by guest1
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by loverobot
whilst i agree that people should be careful i think your post ignores the fact that it takes seconds not hours to nick a bike
Which is my point, NEVER leave the bike unattended, even for 5 seconds. If the circumstances at the time make this difficult to do, don't be suprised when it's vanished.
In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl'.
1 - how do you ever get any work done if you don't leave your bike unattended, even for 5 seconds.
2 - "In the words of TT 'it only takes a minute girl2" - for those of us old enough to remember, that was originally by One hundred ton and a feather (also known as Jonathan King).
1.To summarise my point. If you leave a bike, outside, unattended, expect it to get stolen.
2. You old git! Very good! :P
Wow, now I'm really paranoid.
does it also follow then that:
you leave a doughnut outside, expect it to get eaten.
you leave a baby in a room, expect it not to be in the same place when you get back
you leave your AA card at home, expect to break down
if you go to a DSC meet, expect to make friends (aw, bless) and get the rip taken out of you
Murphy's law et al.
If you go through life worrying about every little thing you'll end up with hunched shoulders before your out of nappies.
Scotty Monster
07-Dec-2005, 16:12
doesn't too much security bring more attention to what your protecting ?
loverobot
07-Dec-2005, 16:22
people get carjacked but it doesnt stop me driving with the roof off
if you cannot leave your bike for a while locked up up imho you are paranoid
my bikes are alarmed and immobilised
anchored in the garage and locked up
but i refuse to subscribe to the idea that if you go out and leave your bike unattended for a bit you are 'asking for it' - thats utter bollox
if you cannot do this you cannot enjoy ownership
i like to go out for a long blast to end up somewhere and then visit that somewhere before having a blast back so presumeably if my bike gets nicked i deserve it too
complete nonsense
theres taking care of your bike and thers taking it to bed.....................
Originally posted by multi600
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place (bike park). The only bike I have ever had nicked (DT 175) was one Christmas morning I run out of petrol. I chained the bike to a lamp post and a concrete bench. 25mins later it had gone, I just rely on the insurance now that's what it's there for.
I'm exactly the same. Bikes get left, often with the keys in, in a garage with a tiny padlock on the outside. I never lock them when parked elsewhere, just take the keys out. I'd never get back what they're worth by insurance, but I'm fcucked if I 'm going to let a bunch of thieving gypsy scum give me sleepless nights worrying if they're carrying liquid nitrogen or an angle grinder. If they get nicked then so be it. Still got a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a top notch missus. :D
Ali
misterpink
07-Dec-2005, 18:50
i'm confused - am i an old git or paranoid or ......???? had 2 bikes nicked, hate it happening and took security precautions before, bike is now indoors/alarmed/immob and chained - but i have gotta ride it to enjoy it - otherwise whats the point?and what do you do when you get there?? can't put it inside etc etc etc.
Insurance - this is the old git bit - i always thought insurance was only and i mean only if something bad happens - i hate claiming on it, losing your pride and joy is no fun. To those with minimal security - good luck - i wish i could but can't and am jealous - to those that think that they just need to claim if it goes - that's the sort of "i'm OK jack" attitude that makes people like RCA claim that england is a dump. So why do bikes get nicked? if everybody bought everything from an authorised dealer not e-bay etc etc maybe that would dry up the outlets - utopian vision i know? RCA's view of the police - i agree but sympathise as well - give them the resources and tools and then if they didn't do the job - moan big time.
Mine lives in the house and its chained to the dog....
Opps dont have a dog, **** who's dog is it then!
philthy
07-Dec-2005, 19:15
Good grief!
I thought I was right wing, but you can flap yours as well !
I'm old enough to remember when all public phone boxes had a telephone directory inside them....which didn't get nicked. How times have changed.
There is one simple solution - but in several parts
1. Double the Police Force, but set realistic targets and make officers accountable.
2.When you catch a thief make his life a misery...literally. Build more prisons and lock the scum away.....BUT..try everything possible to rehabilitate them while they are inside.
3.Give our youngsters the opportunity to do worthwhile things that don't cost the earth and they will be too busy to hang around on street corners looking for mischief. Then they might end up as usefull members of society and not thieves.
Then you might be able to leave your bike outside with the keys in and the helmet sat on the seat.
I had a dream:saint:
To clarify, my post was aimed at those people who try and pitch the blame for their loss on something or someone else, other than their own stupidity.
And the 'if it gets nicked, Iam covered, I don't care', attitude is that of a total retard. The reason the FC insurance premiums are so high in the first place is because of this very attitude. More claims, higher premiums. Do I really have to spell this out? Is this a Kawasaki forum in disguise?
MR T (God this makes me so maaaaaaaaaad)
moto748
07-Dec-2005, 21:21
RCA has a fair point, if intemperately expressed. We should all take what we consider appropriate measures to reduce the risk of bike theft. The "the insurance will cover it" attitide *does* stink.
But we all have to make a judgement on the balance of risk. If I thought like RCA, I 'd never do the miles that I do. And I think if that *was* my world-view I'd regard bike ownership as more hassle and worry than it's worth.
Fortunately, it isn't, and I don't.
Firstlty I take issue with England is a dump, true it has some dumpy parts but if it is that bad why down sarf are we inundated with Ozzies and South Africans because its less of a dump and we earn more.
Secondly we should all take care to secure our bikes but unless Im very much mistaken the horror stories I have read all seem to happen in big towns and cities. Out here in the sticks we are not affected by such evil filth who turn up in a van having followed you home and nick your pride and joy - well if we are its so rare that I have never heard of it.
So if you are that disallusioned either start riding something that the Scum wont nick, move house to a quiter area or get the big hungry dog in !
sorry chap cant agree
in the same context
we must agree with the veiws of some
that state if a girl flirts with a bloke or dresses attractivly and gets raped she has brought it on herself
or if you ride a motor bike you are a chid killer
:puzzled:
clockwork orange
08-Dec-2005, 10:08
Originally posted by RCAAnd the 'if it gets nicked, Iam covered, I don't care', attitude is that of a total retard. The reason the FC insurance premiums are so high in the first place is because of this very attitude. More claims, higher premiums.
No, the reason claims are so high is because there are "affirmative shoppers" out there who want something for nothing.
The attitude some people have is the problem - why bother to do an honest days work and be an upstanding citizen when the state (read taxpayer) will pay for my house, bills etc even when I'm nicked. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, and hard labour for the ones that are left.
Originally posted by clockwork orange
Originally posted by RCAAnd the 'if it gets nicked, Iam covered, I don't care', attitude is that of a total retard. The reason the FC insurance premiums are so high in the first place is because of this very attitude. More claims, higher premiums.
No, the reason claims are so high is because there are "affirmative shoppers" out there who want something for nothing.
The attitude some people have is the problem - why bother to do an honest days work and be an upstanding citizen when the state (read taxpayer) will pay for my house, bills etc even when I'm nicked. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, and hard labour for the ones that are left. Send them to a penal colony like the IOW !
[i]BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, and hard labour for the ones that are left.
Agreed.
Braai Boy
08-Dec-2005, 11:55
If I though the missus out I'd have to get rid of the bike as she would take all my pocket money with her ;)
keith_mann1959
08-Dec-2005, 23:29
I am the guy who had his bike nicked from Mallory, first bike nicked in over 20 years. It is not my fekkin fault that premiums are high. Its the *******s who stole it, go F*** yourself.
I am really unhappy that it happened but like others have said i will not let the possibility of it happening again turn me into a paranoid nervous wreck. I still expect to enjoy me biking.
Yes britain is a dump, agree with that bit but i would be just as worried about bike theft in Italy or the south of france.
Originally posted by keith_mann1959
I am the guy who had his bike nicked from Mallory, first bike nicked in over 20 years. It is not my fekkin fault that premiums are high. Its the *******s who stole it, go F*** yourself.
I am really unhappy that it happened but like others have said i will not let the possibility of it happening again turn me into a paranoid nervous wreck. I still expect to enjoy me biking.
Yes britain is a dump, agree with that bit but i would be just as worried about bike theft in Italy or the south of france.
Some years ago friend went to france and got his bike nicked first night. Is France a dump?
Death Penalty - nah, too easy. Give em jail and let them suffer their conscience if they have one.
Two days ago it was reported that a gentleman oooop north (in bradford I think) was sent to jail for 8 years. The courts also said that if he doesn't pay back an amount of money he scammed he'll get an extra 7 years. That amount of money was around 2 million - so if he doesn't pay it back then I figure for each of those 7 years he has £300k? So much for make the punishment fit the crime.
Back on thread - having your bike nicked. so who's the criminal then? the geezer who nicks it, the insurance company who pays out a meezly amount and ramps up other peoples insurance through no fault of their own, or the owner who doesn't take sufficient care over his own property, or then again, is it the primary school teacher who should have instilled a better understanding of right and wrong in little Johnny?
Is France a dump?
Death Penalty - nah, too easy. Give em jail and let them suffer their conscience if they have one.
Two days ago it was reported that a gentleman oooop north (in bradford I think) was sent to jail for 8 years. The courts also said that if he doesn't pay back an amount of money he scammed he'll get an extra 7 years. That amount of money was around 2 million - so if he doesn't pay it back then I figure for each of those 7 years he has £300k? So much for make the punishment fit the crime.
Back on thread - having your bike nicked. so who's the criminal then? the geezer who nicks it, the insurance company who pays out a meezly amount and ramps up other peoples insurance through no fault of their own, or the owner who doesn't take sufficient care over his own property, or then again, is it the primary school teacher who should have instilled a better understanding of right and wrong in little Johnny? [/quote]
Yes France is a dump, and the channel tunnel has alot to answer for...(but will save that for another time or Radio 2).
To further clarify my original point, a motorcycle (especially a Ducati) is clearly a desirble item and because of this and because bikes are so difficult to make secure because of the very physics, because liquid nitro exists, because England has become a dumping grown for the dregs of our society, we have to take the view that, if a bike is left outside, unattended, out of sight by the owner, it is not safe.
The fact is FC insurance is so expensive because so many bikes gets stolen because of the 'I don't care attitude it's covered' or the 'Its safe here, I'll only be a minute...' attitudes. I do not know anyone who has/can afford FC insurance? Do you? I cannot even get a qoute from any of the respectable (if you can call them that!) insurance companies. I got a few companies wanting £4,000, its ridiculas. So ok, I have a £10k bike thats only 3rd party, but I know 100% its never gonna get nicked (and if it did, I would know either the bird or the dog were in on it, especially when a few days later she was sporting a Gucci watch and the dog a diamonty coller!). FC or no FC, I would still be just as security conscious, and how does a few locks and 5 minutes of manovering the bike into the house take away the enjoyment of riding? It does'nt. If I go out for a ride and stop, I just make sure I always have sight of it, which is'nt difficult. Its not paranoi, it's being sensible and helping the cause. Taking a desirible bike (Ducati, MV..) to a race track on a busy race day, IMHO, is not a clever move.
Lets face it, most of us only have bike insurance because its a legallty, which is why most of us go for 3rd party only cover. I have done the maths and FC insurance based on the qoutes I have had, given the odds, pros and cons, would be a total waste of time and money on any bike.
I think I/we have exhausted this one for now, how about a new topic, hhmm....
'Jeremy Clarkson.........Firing Squad or Public Stoning? Maybe it's this clown nicking all the bikes? :frog:
keith_mann1959
09-Dec-2005, 11:49
My Fully comp was less than £300 for a 748R. Not out of reach at all.
I can't imagine a way that i can go to a major race meeting and wander around as i want and still be able to see my bike, Get REAL. This is a major part of what i own a bike for and i don't want to be that paranoid about the bike all the time.
People who steal bikes are at fault no one else.
Yes i know in this day and age its stupid to believe you can leave anything around and expect it to still be there, i am not that niave.
However, the point is just because i could steal something does not give me the right to do so.
My bike is worth over £10k and my FC insurance in London for that bike is just over £500 - I wouldn't be without even if it wasn't compulsory.
VanDaMauler
09-Dec-2005, 12:29
RCA drives a modified subaru, of course he`s bitter...
Have you seen what every subaru driver looks like??? :o
[Edited on 9-12-2005 by Bubbles]
I think France is a great place with far better attitudes and freedom in a lot of cases than here, and they'll not lie down and accept some of the cr*p we put up with.
France, like virtually every other country has its fair share of theiving scum bags.
As for fully comp, i pay less than £500 for 3 bikes so don't think its too bad. My postcode is fairly highly rated being in a big city rather than out in the sticks.
As for security, i've tried to make my place very secure, but when out and about always try and keep the bike in sight, use a good disc lock, plus its alarmed and dataged.
There always will be times when the bike will be out of sight, but try and pick a parking place carefully, but also carry a shortened top qaulity ALMAX chain so we can lock 2 bikes together to stop them being lifted into a van.
ALMAX are the only people who make chains that can't be bolt cropped, i've seen them do it to 3 of my chains, supposed top of the range Abus granite stuff when testing.
I've also tested the ALMAX chain with the aid of the fire brigade, with their jaws of life hydraulic bolt croppers and the use of my mates engineering place so i know the stuff is GOOD. ALMAX chains are the best and that whats goes on my bikes.
I know there are ways of cutting anything, but i'm sure as hell not going to broadcast this info; but bolt croppers are the most used method because its quick and quiet. Villians do not want to take too long or attract attention to themselves. Always lock your bike to something secure so it can't just be lifted into a van.
I speak from bitter experience having had 2 bikes nicked in the past, but also had the very fortunate and incredibly rare pleasure of introducing the thief to hospital food, when he fell over by accident.:lol:
or then again, is it the primary school teacher who should have instilled a better understanding of right and wrong in little Johnny?
Whoa there. Try parents first. Right and wrong is instilled in the first years of life. If it ain't there by year 5 then it's a devil of a job to sort it.
No names, real incident a few years ago in a northern town.
Kid in wifes class was sick, phone parents. Got 'Dad' on mobile, kid ill please pick up, 'Dad' turns up pi55ed takes sick kid back to pub and sits him in the bar with a bucket to be sick in. Do they bother to turn up to parent evenings? No.
Do they bother to pick kid up from school? No, Grandpa does. 'Dad still in the pub! Mother? Same caring attitude.
Same kid, beats up others in school, parents in, what happens? Kid goes to special school for behavioural problems, but school closing thanks to 'inclusive' agenda of crack pot govt. Kid back again with one to one carer, but only a 1 1/2 days a week in half days due to lack of money in Education budget. Wife (teacher) has to deal with consequences. Read bruised legs and general mayhem. Repeat through years 6 to 9.
Fast forward a few years. Same kid now in High School, gets expelled in first year of attendance, repeat in other years until forced into sink school down the road.
Kid now has criminal record and is well known to the Rozzers. Drugs, you name it.
So don't bl00dy well tell me it's the primary school teacher coz it effin well is not.
Ains. :flame:
Originally posted by Bubbles
RCA drives a modified subaru, of course he`s bitter...
Have you seen what every subaru driver looks like??? :o
You gave you that picture of me? I've lost weight since then.
philthy
09-Dec-2005, 16:00
So don't bl00dy well tell me it's the primary school teacher coz it effin well is not.
Ains. :flame: [/quote]
Well as it's panto season....
OH YES IT IS!
bradders
09-Dec-2005, 16:20
god I've heard some bollox on here but..this is oustanding!! Well done RCA!
clockwork orange
09-Dec-2005, 16:30
[/quote]Death Penalty - nah, too easy. Give em jail and let them suffer their conscience if they have one.[/quote]
Why should the taxpayer foot the bill ?????
bike mad
09-Dec-2005, 16:52
RCA you make me so mad, you have to under stand that you cant stop a thief all you can do is make it harder for them, I could tell you some stories where the owner has done all they could but the bikes still went, you can stop an honest person being tempted by not leaving your keys in the ignition, just think your house has windows and chains can be cut and alarms can be deactivated,
put the blame where it belongs and stop blaming the poor sod that loses this pride and joy and see the parasite for what he is.
just think if you lose your keys like I did then you soon get all the locks off and under stand how easy it is to take a well locked up bike.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::flame::burn::burn:
Originally posted by philthy
So don't bl00dy well tell me it's the primary school teacher coz it effin well is not.
Ains. :flame:
Well as it's panto season....
OH YES IT IS! [/quote]
:lol::lol::lol:
BEHIND YOU!
Ains.
Originally posted by bike mad
RCA you make me so mad, you have to under stand that you cant stop a thief
Yes you can, I have managed it. Bored now, Iam right, end of. Off for Corn Flakes and to watch Polti!
Originally posted by RCA
Owning a motorbike in England.
Lets face it, England is a dump. The criminal justice supports the criminal. How can the police with straight faces, urge the public to rely on the law, when we all accept the law is an ass. The police are sh*t scared of the criminals and are totally powerless. We are surrounded by drugs addicts, organised bike thieves, and imports of a mixed variety with no identity, you cannot trust any ****er. The fact is you can NEVER leave your bike out of site. If you have to do this, even if it is locked, you may as well leave the keys in it and the engine running, leave your helmet for them as well.
I cannot sympathise with anyone thus far who has had their bike stolen. I cannot believe people are stupid enough to take a bike to a track (especially a ‘flash’ Ducati), leaving it unattended for several hours, relying on a bunch of reprobate security staff? WTF???!! and as for parking a Ducati outside, unattended, Iam amazed at peoples niavety.
And it’s no good posting empty threats toward the criminals unless you are prepared to follow them through, and look what happend to Tony Martin.... Most bike thieves are gangs, who don’t have the mentally that you or I have. My dad had a works van stolen last year, fully loaded, he made a few enquires, was given a name, but was advised to leave well alone....
My advice, don’t give the opportunist the opportunity in the first place.
1. Keep the bike in the House. If this is not psychical possible, then move house, (I did). If you partner ‘does not want a bike in the house’, tell them to move out (I did).
2. Alarm the House.
3. Chain the bike to something fixed, like a radiator and remove the wheel nuts.
4. Immobilise & Alarm the bike.
5. Buy a large dog and keep it hungry, (not starving!).
If you cannot do any of the above, move to Spain or Italy (No ice, cheper beer, slimmer girls).
RA
no they wont learn ! i dont leave my bike out my sight whereever i go, i lover her too much to do so. !! :devil:
/ian
Question.
What should i do when i fill my bike up with fuel?
a) Take dog with me to guard it?
b) Take pillion to guard it?
c) Always ride with a friend and take turns to guard bikes when filling up?
I know that there are thieving scumbags out there but you have to live your life and not let them get the better of you.
Insurance is a legal requirement.
People who put false claims in i.e for damaged lids and leathers etc are pushing the premiums up.
Some years ago my Cannondale mountain bike was stolen. I suppose that was my fault as i had carbon fibre forks and lots of titanium bits?
It was locked in my garage, both wheels were off and all gear mechanisms as i was replacing the bearings. Mr Scumbag just collected all the bits and took it in bits.
Anyway must go my bikes are alone in the garage!
Nick 916
12-Dec-2005, 23:11
Had the bike chained to the floor(rear Wheel) via cemented holder, disc lock, front and rear, STILL went missing! on phoning the insurance company I was 1 of 10 reported thefts that night in the same area, if you have a bike that is targeted all I can say is your unlucky. or you could be really unlucky and catch them in the act of stealing your bike, 1 police never get there, 2 you go out and get the life kicked out of you, 3 you hit them, police arrive, nick you, you go to court and get a record/or do time for GBH/ABH....!!!!
I love my bike, and I'm paying for the one that got stolen, £500 to insure the 916 TPFT! but if it's wanted that bad, it goes...
Originally posted by nicks
Question.
What should i do when i fill my bike up with fuel?
Nothing, it wont be out of sight ,you'll have put your disc lock on the front and as it would take you 5 seconds max to run from the till back to the bike, it is not likely someone is going to successfully steel it....
....unless Derren Brown is filling up his transit, in which case you are FUBAR'd.
Next...
philthy
13-Dec-2005, 12:24
Marketing Idea:eureka:
Electronically activated land mine! Park your back wheel on it and arm it with your key fob. Eat ,sleep, leave the bike outside the house etc. in total confidence!
Just NEVER EVER ride off without de activating it first.
Phil
dickieducati
13-Dec-2005, 12:34
RCA if you choose to live surrounded by a bunch of northern monkeys what do you expect.;)
Originally posted by dickieducati
RCA if you choose to live surrounded by a bunch of northern monkeys what do you expect.;)
I would'nt have it any other way, love northerners, and love monkeys. :rodent:
duc daz
07-Jan-2006, 13:14
Originally posted by multi600
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place (bike park). The only bike I have ever had nicked (DT 175) was one Christmas morning I run out of petrol. I chained the bike to a lamp post and a concrete bench. 25mins later it had gone, I just rely on the insurance now that's what it's there for. you are asking for it mate:eureka:
duc daz
07-Jan-2006, 13:18
when storing your bike after each ride you need to put your self inside a theif,s mind ,how would you steal the bike ,and make it very difficult for them:sing:
Brogins
07-Jan-2006, 13:45
This post is really funny....
:D:D:D:D:D
Stealth
07-Jan-2006, 14:47
How very silly this whole thread is.
Those who nick bikes shouldn't be legitimised by implying it's the owners fault. Its that attitude that allows law and order to break down.
Having a bike is about using your it and enjoying it - not giving in to a warped small minority of society who think they can take other peoples property. Fine, if you want an ornament in a glass case - but my preference is to live life and enjoy very day I ride my bike.
Interesting view expressed by RCA but one I am happy for him to champion alone.
Thank you.
gasmanrus
07-Jan-2006, 15:22
if your bike gets nicked with the keys still in it do you expect to get payed out? seriously, you must have more money than sense (or be really lazy!)
:puzzled:
Bikerchick
15-Jan-2006, 22:57
France is not a dump - it's my home country :o so thanks for that RCA oh and get a life ... BC
Mad Dog Bianchi
16-Jan-2006, 10:07
vigilantes....Mexican style.....
jeff st4s
16-Jan-2006, 11:01
You could always try the following;
Buy a proper old mans bike, paint it red and then put some duacti stickers on it, this will makes it less desirable to steal.
Reading your letter makes me never want to got out on my bike ever again.
If your world is like the Mad Max one then maybe you may need to talk to someone.
Isn't that what insurance is for? you buy your dream bike, pay your money to mr big insurance business, some sad person accidently takes home the wrong bike, you wake up the next day and also get shafted by mr big business too.
I'm sure we all get shafted at some point it's how we deal with it that counts.
I'm getting done by our house insurer at present, nieghbour died in his house fire, ours got smoke damaged they have been trying everything to get out of sorting the claim.
Thats life.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
funny old thread this one.
why pay £10k for a bike if you cant afford to insure it fulyl comp. im paying £375 fc for a 748 with all my extra's covered and thats after a driving ban and a claim. i didnt have a garage so my old bike was locked up with chain in the back wheel, disk lock on the front wheel and it was nicked between 11.30 and 12.00am one tuesday dinner time whilst i walked to the local chippy for some dinner. tell me how its my fault my bike got nicked you tosser ??? what more could i have done.
Haga-prisas
16-Jan-2006, 11:37
MOVE TO SPAIN :sing:
BUT remember, certified Ducati mechanics are extremely hard to find here... BUT nobody steals Ducati as there's no secondhand market (very few ducatis), you'd have to switch youyr driking habbits from beer to red wine and cope with slim brunettes which love to play hard-to-get (no girls-drom-Essex-kinda-attitude unfortunately) :sing:
9 dry-months a year for an excellent choice of race tracks and very few policemen on our twisted roads... paradise
Jesus has heard your prayers
Hi there, thought we had put this one to bed?
We have strayed somewhat from my original point, which to summaries was, be vigilant.
Haga-prisas - will be over in June for the Catalunya MOTOGP, have the red ready! Whats your house number? :D
[Edited on 16-1-2006 by RCA]
Bikerchick
16-Jan-2006, 21:52
We ARE vigiliant mups thats wat we are tryin to tell you...
Hola Haga-prisas Madrid me encanta, hace anos que hemos quitado Paseo de la Habana 72...entonces no hablo tan bien que antes...:( Me gusto mucho espana...hasta luego... BC
Originally posted by Bikerchick
We ARE vigiliant mups thats wat we are tryin to tell you...
Think you can relax, that bus of yours aint going anywhere.:lol:
loverobot
17-Jan-2006, 09:23
Originally posted by RCA
Hi there, thought we had put this one to bed?
We have strayed somewhat from my original point, which to summaries was, be vigilant.
Hmmm
No, actually your original post went much further than that as did your subsequent replies. Your suggestions as to how to be 'vigiliant' were extreme and you advised everyone that if they werent as 'vigilant' they deserved no sympathy.
Hmmm
No, actually your original post went much further than that as did your subsequent replies. Your suggestions as to how to be 'vigiliant' were extreme and you advised everyone that if they werent as 'vigilant' they deserved no sympathy.
Correct, they dont. Leaving keys in the ignition? Taking a £20k bike to a track on a race day? You expect me to sympathies? You have a lot to learn.
loverobot
17-Jan-2006, 09:54
thanks for the lesson
that would be "sympathise"
my problem with your suggestions is that to follow your example would mean effectively not using the bike in many peoples cases
for example, i commute on whatever bikes i own - have to leave it unattended
i travel to 'see' things on a weekend - have to leave it unattended
i go to see friends on my bikes - have to leave it unattended
so do i deserve my bike stealing?
a bike is a mode of transport - a superb one i will grant you but transport all the same
transport is to get you from a to b
when you get to b you tend to doing other things, not just sat admiring the bike no?
the fact that you do it on a sportsbike is irrelevant
the fact is most people will leave their bikes unattended so presumeably they all deserve theirs stealing as well?
Hmmmmmmm, ....... I have to agree entirely with stealth2: We seem to be missing the whole point.......
Those that steal (amonst other crimes) are those that should be targeted, and dealt with (questions of incarceration, punishment, & rehabilitation would fill their own thread).
It is reasonable to remove keys & rely upon a steering lock in a law abiding environment to remove overt temptation. After which, If a person is determined to steal it demonstrates deliberate intention and it should be the criminal elements that are focused upon rather than the easier & morally bankrupt option of forcing the remainder of society to adopt restrictive and unpleasant measures of security.
For me, this general principal applies to all aspects of civilised human behaviour, otherwise we descend into chaos & anarchy............
PS France & Spain are magnificent, & Britain has its charms (but they do not include the Planning System..):sing:
philthy
17-Jan-2006, 12:31
Originally posted by ali
Originally posted by multi600
My 748 and multistrada live in garage away from the house I don't even take the keys out of the ignition some days. I don't fit any locks or any other security items. When I open the garage door which is only locked with the small lock in the middle of the twist handle I don't want to spend 20mins or so unlocking everything. I just get on and ride. I don't lock it outside work and I always park in the same place (bike park). The only bike I have ever had nicked (DT 175) was one Christmas morning I run out of petrol. I chained the bike to a lamp post and a concrete bench. 25mins later it had gone, I just rely on the insurance now that's what it's there for.
I'm exactly the same. Bikes get left, often with the keys in, in a garage with a tiny padlock on the outside. I never lock them when parked elsewhere, just take the keys out. I'd never get back what they're worth by insurance, but I'm fcucked if I 'm going to let a bunch of thieving gypsy scum give me sleepless nights worrying if they're carrying liquid nitrogen or an angle grinder. If they get nicked then so be it. Still got a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a top notch missus. :D
Ali
Loverobot
I think most of us are somewhere between the above more easy going attitude and RCA s rather stricter methods.
My bikes are kept in a shed/garage ( Connected to the house alarm ) with normal door locks and abus chains & locks fitted to the bikes.
If the bikes are out and I'm inside the house they are locked and chained at the back of the house and never left out on the road for the ''naughty men'' to see.
If I'm out for the day and out of sight of the bike I try and leave it in a prominent place e.g. next to car park attendants hut or car park entrance and chained to a post. I'm not naive enough to think the above will totally prevent theft but let's face it, if mine's locked and chained then thieves will be more likely to go for the unchained one parked in a quiet spot, out of sight of the public.
It may add five or ten minutes onto your journey to do the above, but save you having to sort out getting home/reporting theft to the police/filling in claim forms etc.
I know which I would rather do.
:)
Just seen your post PB very well put.
I'm firmly in the flog 'em and hang 'em brigade myself :lol:
loverobot
17-Jan-2006, 13:16
Philthy - I do exactly as you describe - the 748 is ground anchored alarmed on the bike and the house is alarmed for example
When out I leave it locked alrmed and prominent
But it is inevitable that it is 'out of sight' of course at times and i think it is unfortunate to suggest in these circumstances the owners deserved it - especially when it probably their pride and joy
Bikerchick
17-Jan-2006, 13:54
Originally posted by RCA
Think you can relax, that bus of yours aint going anywhere.:lol:
I like my bus - it's my fun bike... you should see my 'serious' bike ... since when do people **** off other people's choices by implying that their bike is better? BC
Originally posted by Bikerchick
Originally posted by RCA
Think you can relax, that bus of yours aint going anywhere.:lol:
I like my bus - it's my fun bike... you should see my 'serious' bike ... since when do people **** off other people's choices by implying that their bike is better? BC
Don't know, but apparently I have a basic model. I find that amusing.
Originally posted by Bikerchick
Originally posted by RCA
Think you can relax, that bus of yours aint going anywhere.:lol:
I like my bus - it's my fun bike... you should see my 'serious' bike ... since when do people **** off other people's choices by implying that their bike is better? BC
Don't know, but apparently I have a basic model. I find that amusing.
I don't know either, apparently it came in the wrong colour? It was yellow?
Originally posted by RCA
I don't know either, apparently it came in the wrong colour? It was yellow?
:lol:
rossco572
01-Jul-2010, 11:47
dear loverobot,
If you're going to pick someone up on their spelling, you should check you're own first!!!!!
holy cr@p, this is a thread from over 4 years ago...
did you have a nice long sleep rossco :lol:
mikesps
04-Jul-2010, 09:18
You mean "check your own first".
dear loverobot,
If you're going to pick someone up on their spelling, you should check you're own first!!!!!
Mad Dog Bianchi
05-Jul-2010, 07:23
no, he really meant "check you are on first"...a kind of baseball terminology I find used frequently in the Appalachians and Southeastern Missouri.
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