Assen names out of hat

[multi600]

Any news on who is going to Assen, I thought the e-mails were going out today, but I won't pick mine up till I get to work tomorrow. Thoughts were that everyone would get on the gird but there may have been a last minute rush for places.

Mike

[domski]

I think that everyone who entered is going - that's the basic answer I got when I asked.

[psychlist]

Now we're getting another chance to vote on whether Cadwell's round in March should be points scoring it may have an effect on late entries to Assen. Last I saw there were enough spaces on the grid to cater for everyone that'd put their names on the thread posted here, don't forget that there's 600 DSC'ers that don't access this message board tho :smug:

[domski]

Originally posted by psychlist
Now we're getting another chance to vote on whether Cadwell's round in March should be points scoring it may have an effect on late entries to Assen.

Hold your horses...

WTF????

Firstly, didn't the first vote result in the majority wanting to start at Brands??

Secondly, my first point was so good, I don't need a second point!

Where did you hear about a 2nd vote Paul :puzzled:

:(

[ericthered40]

underground network ?:lol:

[ali]

I've seen nothing of a vote on whether Brands is the first points scoring round.....

I'm sure those that want to race at Assen will get a place, assuming we haven't had another ten people join the series in the the last couple of weeks.

[domski]

Originally posted by ali
I've seen nothing of a vote on whether Brands is the first points scoring round...

Think back to October time ish - I think we got an email to gather rider opinion.

Here is the result which MW emailed out on the 20th October...

3. Start date
Responses so far indicate a 2 to 1 majority (18 to 8) to start in April.
The briefing note issued with the rules did state that all dates were provisional and this rider’s poll result will be tabled to the race committee with a view to deferring the start date from March to April.

[multi600]

So who knows or when will we know if it is points scoring.

[domski]

Oh, forgot there was also this [edited]...


1st December 2005

I have been contacted by a number of people about the non-points scoring round at Cadwell at the end of March. They have asked the question if this is a final decision or not and that it means that we would have 3 races at Snetterton (long one Saturday and 2 short on Sunday).

If you have any views regarding if Cadwell in March should be points scoring or not, will you please send an e-mail to desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com.

The race committee will review the feedback early next week and come back to you with the data. At that point we can consider the options.


...but I can't find the results of this in my emails.

[domski]

Originally posted by Dseered
None of my business I know but there is a possibility that all the DD riders can't get on the grid of a race series they have entered ???

I do follow the series a bit but this seems weird, what if everyone wanted to go, how would it be decided, sorry I don't know but is it point scoring at Assen ?

That was a possibility, but now looks like it's no problem.

Assen is points scoring.

At the moment, Cadwell in March is not (hopefully it stays that way)

[domski]

OK OK panic over, I've found it...

The latest/last 'update' from the RC reads as follows...

Desmo Due Series 2006 – Update Note 2

This note is the 2nd of what will probably be a regular series of updates to Desmo Due entrants over the winter to keep them up to date on what will be happening next year and any changes that the Race Committee may need to advise you of.

Provisional Calendar (This will almost certainly be subject to change)

Representation has been made to the Race Committee that rather than start at the end of March, we should start the series at Brands Hatch in April. It has also been suggested that we retain the Cadwell round, but make it non-points scoring; thus the provisional calendar, subject to no further feedback from riders, now looks like:

25/26 March Cadwell Park – Full (non-points scoring)

23 April Brands Hatch – Indy

6/7 May Assen to be confirmed December

11 June Castle Coombe

8 July Oulton Park

13 August Donington Park

2/3 September Snetterton (long race Saturday, two short races Sunday)

8 October Cadwell Park – Full

To make up for the change in the 1st Cadwell race now being non-points scoring, we are looking at making Snetterton a 2 day meeting with three races (one long and two short) over that weekend. This obviously reduces everyone’s travel budget and makes up for the additional costs of going to Assen.

For the avoidance of doubt, these dates/arrangements are indicative only and will almost certainly change by the early 2006. The race committee will advise final dates once confirmed by New Era.


So I suppose nothing is confirmed yet.

We'll just have to wait and see what the 'new' RC come up with ;)

:)





















No points for Cadwell, I can't afford it and it's bound to be snowing!!! :lol:

[domski]

Plus, it means doing Cadwell, Brands and Assen all within 6 weeks.

What's that? £1000++ to find in 6 weeks?

I don't earn that much in 6 weeks :lol:

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by domski
Plus, it means doing Cadwell, Brands and Assen all within 6 weeks.

What's that? £1000++ to find in 6 weeks?

I don't earn that much in 6 weeks :lol:

no, more like 6 days. ;)

[psychlist]

Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by Dseered
None of my business I know but there is a possibility that all the DD riders can't get on the grid of a race series they have entered ???

I do follow the series a bit but this seems weird, what if everyone wanted to go, how would it be decided, sorry I don't know but is it point scoring at Assen ?

That was a possibility, but now looks like it's no problem.

Assen is points scoring.

At the moment, Cadwell in March is not (hopefully it stays that way)

Possibility yes, but it's still a problem because Assen is a step too far for a domestic novice race series. I understand the argument about Cadwell being a bit chilly in March but why make a UK race on a UK National circuit non-points scoring when we COULD fill the whole grid and MAKE those of us that can afford it travel to Europe to fight over limited spots on the COMBINED grid? Sorry mate, I apprecitae what a golden opportunity it is to race at Assen, but I'd rather pay a few bob less and take me chances at Cadwell in a FULL grid :flame:

[dickieducati]

i assume the cadwell points/no points was sorted at the weekend ?

i guess we'll hear from the MT in due course.

[Tonio600]

Assen points yes, Cadwell points no.

[AK]

Originally posted by domski
Plus, it means doing Cadwell, Brands and Assen all within 6 weeks.

What's that? £1000++ to find in 6 weeks?

I don't earn that much in 6 weeks :lol:

I certainly wont be by then.......:(

[ChrisBushell]

Folks,

If you just availed yourself of a bit of patience you would know that you would find out in good time.

In fact the e-mail regarding all of the above should go out to the riders later on today.

[Ian]

Patience and racers, don’t be daft! ;)

Saturday’s meeting was nine hours long so forgive the MT for not responding sooner please, - most if not all are still glazed from it.

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by Ian

Saturday’s meeting was nine hours long so forgive the MT for not responding sooner please, - most if not all are still glazed from it.

9 hours my arse! 30 mins chatting and 8+ eating and drinking! thats why you're all glazed over. ;)

we all know about these 'meetings' :D

[fil2]

Originally posted by Tonio600
Assen points yes, Cadwell points no.

Cadwell is a race meeting not a track day or a track jaunt..its a race and should be points...thats what racing is if not its a track day..........

:puzzled:

[Rattler]

Originally posted by Tonio600
Assen points yes, Cadwell points no.

Assen points NO - Cadwell points YES !!!

Its obviously lost something in translation!!! ;)

[dickieducati]

cadwells too bloody unpredictable in march, its bloody miles for me, and we're going there later in the year anyway. there's no point, so no points. simple

i know we've been over all this before but its still fun!

stoke that fire.

[AK]

so it could be 8 qualifying meetings now? :puzzled:
thought it was 6 + assen as an extra for this year
Think we'll wait for Montys email to come round before jumping to any more conclusions:)

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by AK and CK
so it could be 8 qualifying meetings now? :puzzled:
thought it was 6 + assen as an extra for this year
Think we'll wait for Montys email to come round before jumping to any more conclusions:)

no, lets all jump to conclusions and go over it all time and time again. :o

this is one area in general where i think being given too much info and input can be a bad thing. if the MT just came out at the end of jan and said this is the way it is we would just have to take it or leave it.

[Rattler]

Originally posted by dickieducati
cadwells too bloody unpredictable in march, its bloody miles for me, and we're going there later in the year anyway. there's no point, so no points. simple

i know we've been over all this before but its still fun!

stoke that fire.

But its the same for everyone - why go if you can't race for points? You're right, weather, distance etc - it'll be a small grid if there are no points up for grabs.

And if Cadwell is a non-scoring round, it means there will be 3 scoring races at Snett - bit of a bugga if you can't make that weekend!!

:puzzled:

[fil2]

Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by AK and CK
so it could be 8 qualifying meetings now? :puzzled:
thought it was 6 + assen as an extra for this year
Think we'll wait for Montys email to come round before jumping to any more conclusions:)

no, lets all jump to conclusions and go over it all time and time again. :o

this is one area in general where i think being given too much info and input can be a bad thing. if the MT just came out at the end of jan and said this is the way it is we would just have to take it or leave it.

Agreed..but wether is 6 7 or 8 rounds..if its a race meeting with NE then it should be points.......!!! ITS A RACE !!! if not then dont have it in the calender, then you can choose a nice warm trackday to go on..or if its a little cold use grip warmers........ :frog:

[Edited on 24-1-2006 by fil2]

[ChrisBushell]

I seem to remember that the instrucions for the use of the Holy hand grenade were quite clear on the wrapper.

You shall count to 3, not 2 or 4, using a slow rythmical cadance and then throw at the enemy, whilst taking appropriate cover!

Just waiting for agreement on the wording of the note and it should be out this afternoon!

[Edited on 24-1-2006 by ChrisBushell]

[dickieducati]

is it going to be controversial?

will half the people be happy and the other half ****ed off?

does a bear **** in the woods?

does a one legged duck swim in a circle?

[Tonio600]

Message original : Ian
Patience and racers, don’t be daft! ;)
Saturday’s meeting was nine hours long so forgive the MT for not responding sooner please, - most if not all are still glazed from it.

Big thanks to all people involved into that, you're doing a great job... :)

[Tonio600]

Message original : fil2
Originally posted by Tonio600
Assen points yes, Cadwell points no.
Cadwell is a race meeting not a track day or a track jaunt..its a race and should be points...thats what racing is if not its a track day..........
:puzzled:

And what is a VOTE about if it's not to take a decision :puzzled:

[weeksy2]

Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by dickieducati
cadwells too bloody unpredictable in march, its bloody miles for me, and we're going there later in the year anyway. there's no point, so no points. simple

i know we've been over all this before but its still fun!

stoke that fire.

But its the same for everyone - why go if you can't race for points? You're right, weather, distance etc - it'll be a small grid if there are no points up for grabs.

And if Cadwell is a non-scoring round, it means there will be 3 scoring races at Snett - bit of a bugga if you can't make that weekend!!

:puzzled:


exactly Tim...

myabe e should contact Dorna, it usually rains at Philip Island, they should take that out of championship....

wasn't Japan wet for the last 2 years... we should get that out too...

Assen has been wet 2 out of last 4.... that should DEFFO not be point scoring..


From a person not associated with DD, it's a bit of a laugh really....

you cannot have ALL racers at Assen in both classes... (ignoring whether they have chosen to go or not) but you can at Cadwell....

However the one that is impossible to have ALL riders at, is open to discussion from a points perspective..

It's a race series... we see 'Just shut up and race' all the time on here...

however.... maybe, 'Just shut up and race, long as it's warm and sunny' would be more apt.

[TP]

Didn't take you long did it Weeksy. Don't give us your big hard racer story when you quit your short career champ! Harsh maybe, but definitely true.

We've already voted on this once, why are we revisiting it? It was a riders decision and IMO we shouldn't even be debating it anymore. This is ridiculous if you ask me.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not accepting the original riders decision and revisiting this?

[weeksy2]

i'm not giving you any stories at all TP.

Take me long.... believe me, i post a lot less in this section than sometimes i'd like to....

[Edited on 24-1-2006 by weeksy2]

[fil2]

Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : fil2
Originally posted by Tonio600
Assen points yes, Cadwell points no.
Cadwell is a race meeting not a track day or a track jaunt..its a race and should be points...thats what racing is if not its a track day..........
:puzzled:

And what is a VOTE about if it's not to take a decision :puzzled:

I know what a vote is Tonio....thats not the point imho..the fact that some see cads as a warm up or a track day or a test day woteva u want to call it...suprises me....its a race weekend and should be points..!! is that not what racing is about..we will be the only Grid not racing for points.? in fact i cant think of any other race where thay race but dont score points.?......it just does not make sense to me....

its not the voting that puzzles me its the fact that we are voting on if a race meeting is points or not.???? now thats puzzling........:puzzled:

If you dont want it to be points and it is non points ....are you still going to go..??

[fil2]

Originally posted by TP
Didn't take you long did it Weeksy. Don't give us your big hard racer story when you quit your short career champ! Harsh maybe, but definitely true.

We've already voted on this once, why are we revisiting it? It was a riders decision and IMO we shouldn't even be debating it anymore. This is ridiculous if you ask me.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not accepting the original riders decision and revisiting this?

because not everyone was given the oppotunity to vote tony and as it directly affects all the racers and as you can see its an emotional point .! dont you think we are all entitled to a say or vote...How many knew when they voted that if CADS is non points we get an extra race on the saturday at snetterton...? and that brings so many other questions over reliabilty of engines ..cant make that weeked u miss 3 races etc....

A vote was cast not including everyone and not with all the facts.............

[ChrisBushell]

Perhaps it will be all clear when you get the briefing note later, but really it boils down to when the season starts, that is what is the 1st race with New Era of the Year Cadwell or Brands?

To answer an earlier question, less than 1/3 of the entrants responded about this at the end of last year and a significant number were not asked. This time 100% of riders will be asked their opinions and have the option to vote. This is democracy in action.

[Rattler]

Originally posted by ChrisBushell
Perhaps it will be all clear when you get the briefing note later, but really it boils down to when the season starts, that is what is the 1st race with New Era of the Year Cadwell or Brands?

To answer an earlier question, less than 1/3 of the entrants responded about this at the end of last year and a significant number were not asked. This time 100% of riders will be asked their opinions and have the option to vote. This is democracy in action.

Chris - I agree, all racers should be given the opportunity to vote (or not as they choose). The race season starts at the first points scoring round, be that Cadwell or Brands. There are other implications (Snett) if the season doesn't start until Brands.

As long as all of the facts are made available up front and a fair and true democratic voting process is applied, there can be no issues.
In truth I believe that we should not be voting, we should have been told up front when the season was starting (first points scoring round, not a dress rehearsal) and there would be no need for this debate now. However, it appears that an independant, non-democratic poll was previously issued that has forced this to the vote.

If an elected race committee (that has voting representation from both the MT and riders) decides that we will do X amount if races here, or Y amount of races there, then so be it!!!

All this scratching is making itch!!! ;) - I just wanna race - thank god I'm off to ride my bike!!! ;)

Tim

[dickieducati]

yeah me too im gagging to get out on my bike and see what i can do on it.

[Rattler]

Originally posted by dickieducati
yeah me too im gagging to get out on my bike and see what i can do on it.

Is it ready? What have you had done?

[dickieducati]

no not yet, should pick it up on the 4th in time for trackday on the 5th, i hope!

not having too much done just a bit of set up, pc111 etc also had front suspension changed too. but be good to see where i am compared with last year. just as a starting point.

[skidlids]

Originally posted by fil2
in fact i cant think of any other race where thay race but dont score points.?......

I CAN
The Superbike Grand National at Castle Combe, missed last years but the year before Emmett, Rutter, Ryo etc were there for a non points race and I think you will find NG's race at Cadwell in May this year is a non Championship race although Sunday is a Championship race.

[TP]

I wasn't aware that such a small percentage of riders were polled in the original vote. In that case it makes sense to do it again.

[AK]

if the vote is 'for' to start at cadwell - will another later round be removed, to keep it as a 6 race series tho?

[fil2]

Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
in fact i cant think of any other race where thay race but dont score points.?......

I CAN
The Superbike Grand National at Castle Combe, missed last years but the year before Emmett, Rutter, Ryo etc were there for a non points race and I think you will find NG's race at Cadwell in May this year is a non Championship race although Sunday is a Championship race.

I stand corrected Kev......still does not alter my thoughts. So i guess u r a non points at cadwell man then cos thats what the BIG boys have done in the past on a rare occasion.

[Rattler]

Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
in fact i cant think of any other race where thay race but dont score points.?......

I CAN
The Superbike Grand National at Castle Combe, missed last years but the year before Emmett, Rutter, Ryo etc were there for a non points race and I think you will find NG's race at Cadwell in May this year is a non Championship race although Sunday is a Championship race.

Yeh but, no but - the GN is effectively a Trophy race, so there is still a winner and places etc, ie positions counting for something more than just pride.

NG's Cadwell Saturday round is no doubt considered practice for Sunday's Championship round. So these don't quite compare.

[dickieducati]

sooo many questions.................

[Rattler]

Sooo much better than working!!! ;)

[fil2]

Originally posted by AK and CK
if the vote is 'for' to start at cadwell - will another later round be removed, to keep it as a 6 race series tho?

i assume the sat race at snetterton wil be dropped.......so we dont have to go to snetterton for a full weekend.?..

[fil2]

Originally posted by dickieducati
sooo many questions.................

so many answers...................

[dickieducati]

if a vote is being put to all riders, while we're about it how about sending out a basic rider profile to fill in too. just so we know who's in what etc.
only basic stuff:

name
age
race no.
bike
no. of previous championships won
no. of decades racing.
favourite flower etc.

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by domski
Plus, it means doing Cadwell, Brands and Assen all within 6 weeks.


<groan> I'd better get down the gym :(

[phoenix n max]

3 races at Snett - Hmmm will our little 600's cope with this engine trasher circuit I wonder :puzzled:

[AK]

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by AK and CK
if the vote is 'for' to start at cadwell - will another later round be removed, to keep it as a 6 race series tho?

i assume the sat race at snetterton wil be dropped.......so we dont have to go to snetterton for a full weekend.?..

still makes an 8 meeting series tho Phil to travel to.
It just aint so 'cheap' an introduction as originally portrayed.

[fil2]

Originally posted by AK and CK
Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by AK and CK
if the vote is 'for' to start at cadwell - will another later round be removed, to keep it as a 6 race series tho?

i assume the sat race at snetterton wil be dropped.......so we dont have to go to snetterton for a full weekend.?..

still makes an 8 meeting series tho Phil to travel to.
It just aint so 'cheap' an introduction as originally portrayed.

Some will not go to Assen making it 7 rounds ...

I think most will agree the DD has mooved on from being a budget entry to racing.....still though it is one of the cheapest ways to enter into racing...AND the best imho...but i agree it is expensive but to coin a phrase i hear bantered around when i moan about costs " there is no cheap racing "


:sniff:

[skidlids]

Originally posted by fil2
I stand corrected Kev......still does not alter my thoughts. So i guess u r a non points at cadwell man then

I'm happy enough with that Phil, I can't see why everybody is so wound up about points this year after I raised the point last year about late entries to the series not meeting the 2005 season entry requirements it didn't stop them scoring points and therefore causing a few riders to end up with less points than they should have had.
I can think of a couple of riders that scored NO points at a meeting because they finished outside the top 25 when riders joining the DSC and entering DD part way through 2005 did score points

As Cadwell Woodlands last year was a non points round for me with 3 DNFs I see it as a oppotunity for Novices and riders with new bikes to get in some real practice if its non points and as a race people that have never done a start before will get a chance to practice and if they get it wrong a bad finish isn't going to hurt there points tally.

[fil2]

Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
I stand corrected Kev......still does not alter my thoughts. So i guess u r a non points at cadwell man then


As Cadwell Woodlands last year was a non points round for me with 3 DNFs I see it as a oppotunity for Novices and riders with new bikes to get in some real practice if its non points and as a race people that have never done a start before will get a chance to practice and if they get it wrong a bad finish isn't going to hurt there points tally.

So every year when we get novices we are offering a race practise meeting with no points to practise your racing.?? so the DD is now offering a series that not only steps up from trackdays to racing in a softer environment, we are now offering a race meeting with no points to practise your racing .!........

And Kev can you honestly see cads being a practise meeting..when the grid lines up it will be a full blown race...and IF some are taking it easy cos they are practising we are then going to have considerable speed differences etc.?

[Edited on 24-1-2006 by fil2]

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by skidlids

I can think of a couple of riders that scored NO points at a meeting because they finished outside the top 25 when riders joining the DSC and entering DD part way through 2005 did score points



*waves*

Memo to self - must try harder :eureka:

[MJS]

Not being involved in any way shape or form with DD, none of this matters to me, but it's an interesting read..

Have to say - can't see the point in anyone going to Cadwell in March for a non-points scoring race, why risk anything if there's nothing at stake? Why run the risk of trashing a bike and missing the first round proper at Brands? Doesn't add up to me... :puzzled:

Still, good luck to everyone

Martin

[psychlist]

The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series where ordinary CLUB members, who maybe have experience of track days, have the opportunity to take it to the next level without the alleged "cut throat" racing you may encounter in more "regular" race series.

Thanks to the huge efforts of Chris Bushell, Monty & MW on the RC and the riders for putting on last years spectacular, it HAS grown from that, which is one of the big reasons we've got to have a split grid this year.

One of the reasons put to me for FORCING the issue at Assen by INSISTING that it's points scoring was to coerce us to go so "the club" could put on a good show to prospective club members that would then join with us, the feeling was that there wouldn't be enough entries if it wasn't points scoring! In other words it's nothing more than a publicity stunt and we'd be the ones that'd pay for it in hard cash by going there. A fantastic opportunity yes, but not one that should be part of a budget, novice race series, especially as it's a limited grid! Apart from the fact I can't afford it I won't be going on principle.
I think it should be a "Trophy Race" like the race of champions at Castle Combe, I don't believe it should be points scoring but if you're going to force anyone to take part at Assen then why not "just" make it a points scorer for the 620 series?
What would you then do with the 583 riders who would want to go but would not be "part" of the race?
If you let 583 riders compete in a 620 race at Assen (it IS a mixed grid after all) how will that affect those that want to play hard-ball in the 620 class when they come flying round a corner to find two 583's having their own private battle in the twisty section of the "583" race? Should anyone give way? Of course not!

Those people that can afford to go to Assen (or those that get selected) will be battling in a smaller field than they would normally, those of us that normally finish in the bottom half of the order (myself!) would benefit by scoring higher points than we otherwise would. Is that fair on those that can't afford it or aren't selected?

The whole thing about us going to Assen is out of context with a budget/novice race series, especially when we have tracks available in this country that can take both classes on full size grids and are easier to reach for the potential club members that I've ben told we want to attract by going to Assen.
At the end of the day (it gets dark. I know) you pays yer money and takes yer pick, but until it's finalised it is still open for debate. So let's!

[Tonio600]

I'm not sure we all interpreted that question in the same way...
Some of us read "Do you want a point scoring race at Cadwell in March?", I did read "Do you want a race meeting to attend at Cadwell in March?".

Of course nobody will want to race for only the risk of destroying the bike, I think the question was more when do you want the season to start...

Anyway, I'm sure the MT's email will make us all friends again :D
(please forget I'm French :lol: )

[fil2]

Originally posted by Tonio600
I'm not sure we all interpreted that question in the same way...
Some of us read "Do you want a point scoring race at Cadwell in March?", I did read "Do you want a race meeting to attend at Cadwell in March?".

Of course nobody will want to race for only the risk of destroying the bike, I think the question was more when do you want the season to start...

Anyway, I'm sure the MT's email will make us all friends again :D
(please forget I'm French :lol: )

we are ALL friends ..........:D............and no we wont ever forget you are french.............:saint:

[AK]

Originally posted by psychlist
The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series where ordinary CLUB members, who maybe have experience of track days, have the opportunity to take it to the next level without the alleged "cut throat" racing you may encounter in more "regular" race series.

Thanks to the huge efforts of Chris Bushell, Monty & MW on the RC and the riders for putting on last years spectacular, it HAS grown from that, which is one of the big reasons we've got to have a split grid this year.

One of the reasons put to me for FORCING the issue at Assen by INSISTING that it's points scoring was to coerce us to go so "the club" could put on a good show to prospective club members that would then join with us, the feeling was that there wouldn't be enough entries if it wasn't points scoring! In other words it's nothing more than a publicity stunt and we'd be the ones that'd pay for it in hard cash by going there. A fantastic opportunity yes, but not one that should be part of a budget, novice race series, especially as it's a limited grid! Apart from the fact I can't afford it I won't be going on principle.
I think it should be a "Trophy Race" like the race of champions at Castle Combe, I don't believe it should be points scoring but if you're going to force anyone to take part at Assen then why not "just" make it a points scorer for the 620 series?
What would you then do with the 583 riders who would want to go but would not be "part" of the race?
If you let 583 riders compete in a 620 race at Assen (it IS a mixed grid after all) how will that affect those that want to play hard-ball in the 620 class when they come flying round a corner to find two 583's having their own private battle in the twisty section of the "583" race? Should anyone give way? Of course not!

Those people that can afford to go to Assen (or those that get selected) will be battling in a smaller field than they would normally, those of us that normally finish in the bottom half of the order (myself!) would benefit by scoring higher points than we otherwise would. Is that fair on those that can't afford it or aren't selected?

The whole thing about us going to Assen is out of context with a budget/novice race series, especially when we have tracks available in this country that can take both classes on full size grids and are easier to reach for the potential club members that I've ben told we want to attract by going to Assen.
At the end of the day (it gets dark. I know) you pays yer money and takes yer pick, but until it's finalised it is still open for debate. So let's!

Paul - this is exactly what we have been saying all along since last summer, when the idea was put on the table.

Trophy/prizes etc....not points

C

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by psychlist
The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series

well i can stop you there for a start.

[AK]

Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by psychlist
The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series

well i can stop you there for a start.

you been shopping then Dickie?:lol::lol::lol:

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by AK and CK
Paul - this is exactly what we have been saying all along since last summer, when the idea was put on the table.

Trophy/prizes etc....not points

C

no point in anyone who normally finishes outside the top ten even turning up then. call me a cynic. i wouldn't bother.

[AK]

sounds like there is less than 30 going anyway Mr D

[multi600]

So if the new vote :puzzled: is for points at Cadwell and no points at Assen can we pull out of Assen with no financial penalty. I voted originally for points at Cadwell and with that an early start to the season.

[AK]

Originally posted by multi600
So if the new vote :puzzled: is for points at Cadwell and no points at Assen can we pull out of Assen with no financial penalty. I voted originally for points at Cadwell and with that an early start to the season.

your just trubble making now Mike!:o:P:lol:

[multi600]

ME:saint:

[fil2]

Assen is not about points or not for me....Im going regardless of the point situation.....im going because i probably wont ever get the chance to Race at Assen ever again.....To actually Race at Assen in 2 races and have an hour on track on the saturday on what is one of the best GP circuits is to much of an offer to miss............
To share in the whole weekend experience with the lads ! race at Assen...its going to be a great memory and not cost alot more than a UK round..sure its a drive but hell so is Cads or Oulton............

Can i afford to go no..........am i going yes!! i simply cant afford not to from an expereince point of view

Those that choose not to go will prolly regret it.............i know i would......

:D

[domski]

Originally posted by psychlist
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by Dseered
None of my business I know but there is a possibility that all the DD riders can't get on the grid of a race series they have entered ???

I do follow the series a bit but this seems weird, what if everyone wanted to go, how would it be decided, sorry I don't know but is it point scoring at Assen ?

That was a possibility, but now looks like it's no problem.

Assen is points scoring.

At the moment, Cadwell in March is not (hopefully it stays that way)

Possibility yes, but it's still a problem because Assen is a step too far for a domestic novice race series. I understand the argument about Cadwell being a bit chilly in March but why make a UK race on a UK National circuit non-points scoring when we COULD fill the whole grid and MAKE those of us that can afford it travel to Europe to fight over limited spots on the COMBINED grid? Sorry mate, I apprecitae what a golden opportunity it is to race at Assen, but I'd rather pay a few bob less and take me chances at Cadwell in a FULL grid :flame:

I agree totally with you Paul. I'd rather do Cadwell for points and not go to Assen - from a financial point of view - but it's been confirmed that Assen is points scoring, so it's forced my hand. It is only because Assen is for points that I don't want to go to Cadwell as well.

I gave my answer based on that info, rather than the fact that I'd rather do Assen.

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by fil2
Assen is not about points or not for me....Im going regardless of the point situation.....im going because i probably wont ever get the chance to Race at Assen ever again.....To actually Race at Assen in 2 races and have an hour on track on the saturday on what is one of the best GP circuits is to much of an offer to miss............
To share in the whole weekend experience with the lads ! race at Assen...its going to be a great memory and not cost alot more than a UK round..sure its a drive but hell so is Cads or Oulton............

Can i afford to go no..........am i going yes!! i simply cant afford not to from an expereince point of view

Those that choose not to go will prolly regret it.............i know i would......

:D

Wot he said :)

[Rattler]

Originally posted by psychlist
The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series where ordinary CLUB members, who maybe have experience of track days, have the opportunity to take it to the next level without the alleged "cut throat" racing you may encounter in more "regular" race series.

Thanks to the huge efforts of Chris Bushell, Monty & MW on the RC and the riders for putting on last years spectacular, it HAS grown from that, which is one of the big reasons we've got to have a split grid this year.

One of the reasons put to me for FORCING the issue at Assen by INSISTING that it's points scoring was to coerce us to go so "the club" could put on a good show to prospective club members that would then join with us, the feeling was that there wouldn't be enough entries if it wasn't points scoring! In other words it's nothing more than a publicity stunt and we'd be the ones that'd pay for it in hard cash by going there. A fantastic opportunity yes, but not one that should be part of a budget, novice race series, especially as it's a limited grid! Apart from the fact I can't afford it I won't be going on principle.
I think it should be a "Trophy Race" like the race of champions at Castle Combe, I don't believe it should be points scoring but if you're going to force anyone to take part at Assen then why not "just" make it a points scorer for the 620 series?
What would you then do with the 583 riders who would want to go but would not be "part" of the race?
If you let 583 riders compete in a 620 race at Assen (it IS a mixed grid after all) how will that affect those that want to play hard-ball in the 620 class when they come flying round a corner to find two 583's having their own private battle in the twisty section of the "583" race? Should anyone give way? Of course not!

Those people that can afford to go to Assen (or those that get selected) will be battling in a smaller field than they would normally, those of us that normally finish in the bottom half of the order (myself!) would benefit by scoring higher points than we otherwise would. Is that fair on those that can't afford it or aren't selected?

The whole thing about us going to Assen is out of context with a budget/novice race series, especially when we have tracks available in this country that can take both classes on full size grids and are easier to reach for the potential club members that I've ben told we want to attract by going to Assen.
At the end of the day (it gets dark. I know) you pays yer money and takes yer pick, but until it's finalised it is still open for debate. So let's!

Hear, hear :D

[weeksy2]

Originally posted by psychlist
The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series where ordinary CLUB members, who maybe have experience of track days, have the opportunity to take it to the next level without the alleged "cut throat" racing you may encounter in more "regular" race series.



LOL....

according to this

a. it's not a proper series
b. you have to be a CLUB member
c. it's not cut-throat....

not sure that's right mate.

[domski]

Originally posted by fil2
Assen is not about points or not for me....Im going regardless of the point situation.....im going because i probably wont ever get the chance to Race at Assen ever again.....To actually Race at Assen in 2 races and have an hour on track on the saturday on what is one of the best GP circuits is to much of an offer to miss............
To share in the whole weekend experience with the lads ! race at Assen...its going to be a great memory and not cost alot more than a UK round..sure its a drive but hell so is Cads or Oulton............

Can i afford to go no..........am i going yes!! i simply cant afford not to from an expereince point of view

Those that choose not to go will prolly regret it.............i know i would......

:D

Yeah, wot he said too ;)

[ali]

Originally posted by fil2
Assen is not about points or not for me....Im going regardless of the point situation.....im going because i probably wont ever get the chance to Race at Assen ever again.....To actually Race at Assen in 2 races and have an hour on track on the saturday on what is one of the best GP circuits is to much of an offer to miss............
To share in the whole weekend experience with the lads ! race at Assen...its going to be a great memory and not cost alot more than a UK round..sure its a drive but hell so is Cads or Oulton............

Can i afford to go no..........am i going yes!! i simply cant afford not to from an expereince point of view

Those that choose not to go will prolly regret it.............i know i would......

:D

Ed Zachary! :D If I'm going to spend £x000 this year, what's an extra £1-200 to go to Assen, meet some of the Dutch gang, see their fantastic bikes (and they are legendary), ride the new GP circuit, eat too many waffles, and show them how to race. :D Or at least how to crash with style!

As for points at Cadwell, I can't condone forcing complete novices into potentially very cold/wet conditions for their first race. Our first weekend was hard enough as it was without the prospect of serious weather hanging over you (yes, it was a little wet in practice, but there's a whole world of difference between practicing in the wet and racing). Having said that it'll almost certainly be picture-pefect weather now just to wind me up! :lol:

I'd also like a chance for my shoulder to strengthen up so April would be perfect all round. :)

Just my 2p.

Ali

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by ali
[I'd also like a chance for my shoulder to strengthen up so April would be perfect all round. :)

Ali

me, me, me;)

[fil2]

Originally posted by ali
[

:D


As for points at Cadwell, I can't condone forcing complete novices into potentially very cold/wet conditions for their first race. Our first weekend was hard enough as it was without the prospect of serious weather hanging over you (yes, it was a little wet in practice, but there's a whole world of difference between practicing in the wet and racing). Having said that it'll almost certainly be picture-pefect weather now just to wind me up! :lol:

Ali [/quote]

I can understand where you are comming from Ali and others that support non-points but can i respond with a few questions.?

Last year the percentage of complete Novices was alot higher.? where was the concern for a free race practise with no points then.?

Last year we started on the Cadwell Woodland Circuit.?? has to be far more dangerous than the full Cadwell circuit this year..??

We Started 1 month later..is the weather going to be so much worse.? cos i remember waking up with the Iraq war going off over head at 5 am .! and racing in the ****ing rain and cold.?...

How many offs did we have at Cadwell Woodlands in wet n cold.? Not as many as people thought and the vast majority were novices

Are the complete novices that concerned about getting a Race for practise with no points.? will that be the deciding factor to there race season .? they chose to race without the chance of " live " practise....i think not...

Donny was the wettest race all season and that was August.?

If some of the DD racers dont turn up for Cadwll non-points it not much of a DD race season kick of is it....does it potray us in a poor light.?

Cadwell non-points = snetterton 3 race weekend i have been lead to believe.....are the DD massive aware of the ramifications if u bin out on the sat and miss 3 races.? your little 583 boils over in the 30 minute race then its gotta race again on the Sunday,..?

Just playing devils advocate.!..as i dunno what i am doing either way

:borg:

[Tonio600]

I've fitted a temperature gauge and the oil cooler should follow soon :D

[AK]

Originally posted by Tonio600
I've fitted a temperature gauge and the oil cooler should follow soon :D

Hoping for hot & also cold weather Tonio?;)

Fil - have I missed something about the Snett round - havent seen any info about it poss changing?:puzzled:

[Ian]

Paul, (pyschlist) as ever some good points in there, - and others.

A needed qualification on something Assen came to us the DSC and the riders in September, please do not imply that this was summer, which could be taken as June/July - it being late in the season we did not have IMO enough time to work through all implications. It is my personal (I stress that) opinion that NOW, TODAY given some rider opinion that it is perhaps a race too far for 2006, - BUT we the DSC saw an opportunity that we believed was good for the members so we took it, - and we did ask you lot on September 7th in the DUK truck before we the MT made our decision to go for this.

Points or Trophies or even the strange idea of a fund? Who knows what is best, that is the truth of it.

Start of the season, again who knows? Personal opinion, race for points or stick to trackdays. Wet, cold race? Again who knows? - worst weather of last year was at Donnington in August, Clerk of the course makes the judgement on race day, leave it to him (or her).

The great problem with the RC and the MT this year is that DD has taken up an enormous (unreasonable) amount of our time; - we have f4rted about over issue after issue, should this person ride, should that person be not allowed, should this modification be allowed, who said this, who said that; IT HAS BEEN UNREAL at times. So given the pressure that I and other have been put under by a few people it is no wonder that perhaps decisions have been made that are seen as wrong when we look back.

All we have ever tried to be is fair. Fair to all, not just those that use this message-board or have big mouths.


My 2 pence.

Carry on, :lol: - whatever you do, enjoy the racing bollox to the politics!

[AK]

Looking all positive now Ian - at least all the mechanical rules etc are sorted etc:cool: just a few more fidling bits, and the rules should only need minor tweaking in coming years eh? Thus leaving the RC some (???) free time..........
Always hard in the first year of something so powerful as a new race series.

C:)

[domski]

Originally posted by Ian
All we have ever tried to be is fair. Fair to all, not just those that use this message-board or have big mouths.


None taken :lol::lol::lol:

[weeksy2]

Could people put themselves forward for the RC then ? how exactly would you go about such a task ?

[ChrisBushell]

All will become clear later on today for the riders and in Pronto shortly for the rest of the membership

[couchcommando]

Originally posted by Ian

Carry on, :lol: - whatever you do, enjoy the racing bollox to the politics!

seconded :)

[domski]

Originally posted by couchcommando
Originally posted by Ian

Carry on, :lol: - whatever you do, enjoy the racing bollox to the politics!

seconded :)

Stop causing trouble Tony :lol:

[Tonio600]

Message original : ChrisBushell
All will become clear later on today for the riders and in Pronto shortly for the rest of the membership

I'm checking my emails every 10 minutes :lol:
I should get a life... before having to get a new job :D

[ChrisBushell]

E-mail to riders will go out after 18.00 tonight

[domski]

Originally posted by ChrisBushell
E-mail to riders will go out after 18.00 tonight

Stop teasing us Chris :lol:

What are we gunna talk about until 6pm now?????

:o

[ChrisBushell]

I am actually trying to earn a living at the moment and you lot keep interupting me!

[domski]

Let me organise it - I'm doing bugger all for the foreseable :lol:

Let's see now...

rule #1. Nobody north of the M4 can enter.
rule #2...

:lol:

[multi600]

After 18:00 means I won't get that till Monday as I am in Liverpool for the rest of the week:flame:Still I suppose it just may leak onto the board :lol:

Mike

[fil2]

Originally posted by multi600
After 18:00 means I won't get that till Monday as I am in Liverpool for the rest of the week:flame:Still I suppose it just may leak onto the board :lol:

Mike

No vote for you then..................Protest protest not everyone voted i can hear it now...............;)

[domski]

Yeah, email goes out at 6pm and votes have to be back in by 5 past :lol:

[phoenix n max]

I'm going to Cadwell in March regardless. I need all the help I can get and I like the track :)

[fil2]

Originally posted by phoenix n max
I'm going to Cadwell in March regardless. I need all the help I can get and I like the track :)

so u dont get a vote cos u dont mind either way...its only the moaners and those that dont like the cold or those with big gobs that get a vote..............:lol:;):P:devil::sing:

[TP]

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by phoenix n max
I'm going to Cadwell in March regardless. I need all the help I can get and I like the track :)

so u dont get a vote cos u dont mind either way...its only the moaners and those that dont like the cold or those with big gobs that get a vote..............:lol:;):P:devil::sing:

Put me in the moaning camp - it's too cold etc at that time of the year.

Lets not do Cadwell at all and just start the season at Brands!

And someone make me a hot chocolate!

[couchcommando]

out of interest what kind of hat was used ? :bouncy:

[fil2]

Originally posted by couchcommando
out of interest what kind of hat was used ? :bouncy:

must be a norvern thing.......:puzzled:

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by phoenix n max
I'm going to Cadwell in March regardless. I need all the help I can get and I like the track :)

so u dont get a vote cos u dont mind either way...its only the moaners and those that dont like the cold or those with big gobs that get a vote..............:lol:;):P:devil::sing:

I know nuffink :puzzled:

Got my own views and will vote accordingly - however whichever way it goes i'm going for the tracktime/slidetime/getwettime/cantseeathingtime....or was that Donny in August ......I so confused :o

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by couchcommando
out of interest what kind of hat was used ? :bouncy:

Top Hat for the Gucci class and a 99p bucket for Aldi Class.

[fil2]

Originally posted by phoenix n max
Originally posted by couchcommando
out of interest what kind of hat was used ? :bouncy:

Top Hat for the Gucci class and a 99p bucket for Aldi Class.

99p.....shiiat are we having a whip round to buy that then....or are we using club funds...........:lol:

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by phoenix n max
Originally posted by couchcommando
out of interest what kind of hat was used ? :bouncy:

Top Hat for the Gucci class and a 99p bucket for Aldi Class.

99p.....shiiat are we having a whip round to buy that then....or are we using club funds...........:lol:

I think we're gonna have to sell someone :o

[domski]

How about on eof those swirly paper hats that were famous in the 80's.

You know they come flat and you push out the middle and it opens out into a paper cap.

Think Wimpy Burger places used to give them away when you had a party.

...ahh the memories.

:lol:

Anyway, they're sooooooooooooooooooo cheap and nasty - that's the 583 hat, mmm'kay

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by domski


Anyway, they're sooooooooooooooooooo cheap and nasty - that's the 583 hat, mmm'kay

I take it you haven't been told that the bike you are racing is now a 583 then ?

[skidlids]

Originally posted by TP
Put me in the moaning camp - it's too cold etc at that time of the year.

Lets not do Cadwell at all and just start the season at Brands!

And someone make me a hot chocolate!

I hope (funds permitting) to be doing Minitwins (and if 750SS is not ready then SoT) at pembrey the weekend before Cadwell and will also be looking at the Practice weekend at Pembrey at the end of Feb, last year it was snowing and -4 overnight.

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by skidlids


I hope (funds permitting) to be doing Minitwins (and if 750SS is not ready then SoT) at pembrey the weekend before Cadwell and will also be looking at the Practice weekend at Pembrey at the end of Feb, last year it was snowing and -4 overnight.

And I bet it's like it again this year - brrrrrrrrrrrrr. Taking me thermals :o