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This is a great idea, so WELL DONE race committee!!!
Who's gunna be brave enough to step forward then?
I think you should step up to the plate Dom
antonye
24-Jan-2006, 21:08
So we have 2 people with interest in the race series (the DD riders) voting against 2 people with no interest in the race series (the MT side), but if it's a draw then the MT decide anyway?
Doesn't sound very democratic to me...
Would have made more sense for 2 reps from each class, to ensure non-bias voting for the class from that rep and also so that those who partake in the series would be able to out-vote those who have no interest in it whatsoever.
But what do I know...
couchcommando
24-Jan-2006, 21:29
OH my GOD , a rep from the 583 classes, what next a vote for the working class people since when have the proles been allowed a say ? :devil:
phoenix n max
24-Jan-2006, 21:40
Originally posted by AK and CK
Lin for 583:ninja:
Oi - not a chance :o
dickieducati
24-Jan-2006, 21:41
will the whole pre season now be used up with electioneering?
vote dom! supercorsa's for all!
phoenix n max
24-Jan-2006, 21:42
Originally posted by couchcommando
OH my GOD , a rep from the 583 classes, what next a vote for the working class people since when have the proles been allowed a say ? :devil:
Who let Tony Palmer-Tomkinson in ? :o
Originally posted by dickieducati
will the whole pre season now be used up with electioneering?
vote dom! supercorsa's for all!
Only if you're my campaign manager :lol:
"Supercorsa's for all!"
I like that. Good work ;)
skidlids
25-Jan-2006, 00:15
I'm happy to be the 583 rep, few more names and we can start a poll
phoenix n max
25-Jan-2006, 00:18
Originally posted by skidlids
I'm happy to be the 583 rep, few more names and we can start a poll
Seconded....
Phew thats me off the hook :lol:
Scooter916
25-Jan-2006, 00:56
Carried..... Skids you have a new title..LOL
How democratic was that:sing:
Where are you carrying him? :lol:
Scooter916
25-Jan-2006, 01:06
Originally posted by domski
Where are you carrying him? :lol:
Why the barbers of course.........:frog:
Now, that I would pay to watch :lol:
Originally posted by antonye
So we have 2 people with interest in the race series (the DD riders) voting against 2 people with no interest in the race series (the MT side), but if it's a draw then the MT decide anyway?
Doesn't sound very democratic to me...
Would have made more sense for 2 reps from each class, to ensure non-bias voting for the class from that rep and also so that those who partake in the series would be able to out-vote those who have no interest in it whatsoever.
But what do I know...
??
This assumption that MT has “no interest” in a DSC event/series is somewhat insulting to the hours upon hours that has been put into the series already buy the MT. This series would not exist if it were not for the MT (or the riders taking part). Yes the MT has no VESTED interest in making decisions that could be seen as improving their own positions in a race of series, - and that is exactly why the series HAS to have MT input. If the MT had no interest the series would have been passed to New Era (or the like) a month ago.
And if it is a plan to vote in riders reps who are to oppose every decision or question the RC will find itself once again ham strung; there will then be no 2007 DSC DD (IMO).
A big thank you to all of the riders who replied to recent questions/ e-mails.
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Ian]
ian
surely the riders reps will be there because they are to represent the riders (they will be elected by the riders after all and therefore be accountable to them) so if they have an issue on the race committee it shouldn't be seen as just a personal rider rep issue but an issue that the riders want !! .... lets not forget that this is a riders series for dsc members ... and the riders therefore have an input as to how it is run.
this whole idea that the riders rep will make decisions on the race committee for personal gain is total rubbish in my opinion ... if ever a rider rep was found to be doing something along these lines (and i don't think it would happen) then surely the riders could vote that rep off at any point in the season and not just at the end/start of next !
For us non DD members, what the hell is this about? :puzzled:
Originally posted by JPM
For us non DD members, what the hell is this about? :puzzled:
U musta cracked the 4 zone stage 9 level encrypted biorythmic linked, retena scanned pass system to post in here......
Its about the DD Race commitee thats all....and how its formed .....and how it arrives at decisions.
Paul James
25-Jan-2006, 11:43
It was all discussed openly and agreed as a workable compromise, I'm still at a loss to understand why some riders feel that the MT will want to oppose their interests ? I've NEVER said this and defy anyone to say where I have if they think it to be the case.
There are also club liability issues to consider as far as how we run things .
Lets try and take Michaels lead and lighten things up a bit, great avatar mate !!!, didn't realise you were around when "Citizen Smith" was on the box, (or is it back on UK Gold?)
Wolfie of the "Tooting Popular Front". I take my hat off to you for trying to defuse the situation :lol::lol::lol:
I used to luv Wolfie:rolleye:... er... when I was at nursrey school, that is.....;)
Paul James
25-Jan-2006, 11:53
Its the spirit of the thing that counts CK, lets get away from all the arguing and start having fun !!!.
Paul James
25-Jan-2006, 12:04
Depends where its applied ?
Originally posted by Paul James
It was all discussed openly and agreed as a workable compromise, I'm still at a loss to understand why some riders feel that the MT will want to oppose their interests ? I've NEVER said this and defy anyone to say where I have if they think it to be the case.
There are also club liability issues to consider as far as how we run things .
Lets try and take Michaels lead and lighten things up a bit, great avatar mate !!!, didn't realise you were around when "Citizen Smith" was on the box, (or is it back on UK Gold?)
Wolfie of the "Tooting Popular Front". I take my hat off to you for trying to defuse the situation :lol::lol::lol:
LOL.....cant see anywhere where anyone has mentioned your name with regard to the DD let alone you opposing riders interests.?.....
Besides who are you........:..apart from sum1 who loves side cars........
" tooting Popular Front " have not heard that in ages....wow are we really all that old............
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by fil2]
But back to the question Paul - the riders do need to look after their own fellow riders - after all - they are the ones who are experiencing things at the sharp (or gravelly) end.
I notice that the reps dont have to be riders - bit of an anomaly that isnt it tho? - better to have the guys (n'gels) elect peeps from their group I would have thought.
Voted in, they can be just as easily removed by theri fellow riders, if they dont represent them all fairly.
C
ps: melted;)
dickieducati
25-Jan-2006, 12:16
Originally posted by AK and CK
I notice that the reps dont have to be riders - bit of an anomaly that isnt it tho? - better to have the guys (n'gels) elect peeps from their group I would have thought.
Voted in, they can be just as easily removed by theri fellow riders, if they dont represent them all fairly.
C
ps: melted;)
well there is going to be a vote so im sure 2 actual riders will be elected.
Paul James
25-Jan-2006, 12:57
Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by AK and CK
I notice that the reps dont have to be riders - bit of an anomaly that isnt it tho? - better to have the guys (n'gels) elect peeps from their group I would have thought.
Voted in, they can be just as easily removed by theri fellow riders, if they dont represent them all fairly.
C
ps: melted;)
well there is going to be a vote so im sure 2 actual riders will be elected.
Precisely but we've not precluded any other eligible member from putting themselves forward have we ?
For all I know there may be some very appropriate person with a balanced viewpoint who you (riders) may prefer, I can't see how this compromises you or anybody else ?. The riders still get to choose in what will be a fairly run ballot.
You are right in saying that if they don't come up to the mark you can ask for them to be replaced but wouldn't it be better for ALL concerned to start 2006 as fairly and democratically as possible ?.
Maybe I'm missing something here, I thought we'd made some positive steps during the 9 hour long Management Team meeting held at my house last Saturday ?
I'm not sure how spending so much of our own free time trying to get a workable compromise on a number of issues can lead to us being accused of not being interested ?
dickieducati
25-Jan-2006, 12:59
fwiw i think its a very good step forward.
Paul James
25-Jan-2006, 13:00
LOL.....cant see anywhere where anyone has mentioned your name with regard to the DD let alone you opposing riders interests.?.....
Besides who are you........:..apart from sum1 who loves side cars........
Is the question "who am I to have the right to an opinion ?" or "who am I ?"
Yes I do still love sidecars, amongst other things, having spent many years racing them at all the circuits you guys are now competing on ;);)
Didn't mention, the piccy is of the F2 outfit I built and ran with various independently obtained sponsorship. I'm still looking for the F2 outfit that had an 888 engine as if I could find it I'd rebuild it and convert it for the road in my well appointed engineering workshop.
Best constipation cure known to mankind :lol::D:lol:
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Paul James]
:eureka:
Perhaps there should be a vote open to the wider membership about the number votes we should have votes about in the future.
I'd vote for that if it came to a vote!
If the vote doesn't go the way any one individual wants then have another vote about accepting the previous vote.
All voting decisions should be final and binding until the next vote.......................or maybe the vote after.
Anyone vote for that?
Maybe there should be separate votes for reg'd DD paticipants, DSC members who are DD spectators, and not forgetting DSC members who still think DD is something to do with the driver car 00!
Suppose the racers decide something that the spectators don't like, e.g. maybe a no overtaking rule unless there is a vote??
What if the spectators set up a vote for new rule e.g. everyone to wear yellow and pink gloves??
Votes for everything and everyone it's only fair.
Got to go and find some railings to chain meself to!!
Ray.
Originally posted by Ray
:eureka:
Perhaps there should be a vote open to the wider membership about the number votes we should have votes about in the future.
I'd vote for that if it came to a vote!
If the vote doesn't go the way any one individual wants then have another vote about accepting the previous vote.
All voting decisions should be final and binding until the next vote.......................or maybe the vote after.
Anyone vote for that?
Maybe there should be separate votes for reg'd DD paticipants, DSC members who are DD spectators, and not forgetting DSC members who still think DD is something to do with the driver car 00!
Suppose the racers decide something that the spectators don't like, e.g. maybe a no overtaking rule unless there is a vote??
What if the spectators set up a vote for new rule e.g. everyone to wear yellow and pink gloves??
Votes for everything and everyone it's only fair.
Got to go and find some railings to chain meself to!!
Ray.
far too simple Ray, first you need to decide whether is a simple winner, approval winner or multiple winner, how else would we know who's won?? then approval run off or ballot system then how's the vote weighted?? I don't think we need to get into condorcet, minimax or Coombs voting unless we have a vote that says we do:) :) Can I join you on that railing please?? a simple yes or no will suffice :D :D
er............maybe?!:D
is that an abstention?
Ray.:D
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Ray]
Originally posted by Ray
er............maybe?!:D
is that an abstention?
Ray.:D
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Ray]
PMSL
psychlist
25-Jan-2006, 16:30
Skids would get my vote for 583 rep.
If MW doesn't want to stand up and represent the riders again I'd vote for Domski as the 620/handbag rep :P
Originally posted by psychlist
If MW doesn't want to stand up and represent the riders again I'd vote for Domski as the 620/handbag rep :P
I'm not standing :P
(yet)
:lol::lol::lol:
dickieducati
25-Jan-2006, 16:55
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by psychlist
If MW doesn't want to stand up and represent the riders again I'd vote for Domski as the 620/handbag rep :P
I'm not standing :P
(yet)
:lol::lol::lol:
cant really have rule flouters as riders reps can we.;)
no offence, like.
couchcommando
25-Jan-2006, 16:57
Hmmmm
surely it has to be sum1..non-emotive level headed and able to take others peoples views on board and arrive at a constructive balanced opinion...
Rules out anyone that posts on this forum......
:D
"So we have 2 people with interest in the race series (the DD riders) voting against 2 people with no interest in the race series (the MT side), but if it's a draw then the MT decide anyway?
Doesn't sound very democratic to me............"
Thanks Antonye!
I wasn't aware that Paul James and myself (for it is us who represent the MT on DD) had "no interest in the race series"-that would explain the hundreds of hours I have spent working on it in the last 16months I suppose, and the fact that I was at every round last year apart from when I was out of the country, and all the bloody oil and stuff I lugged around in my motorhome at 22mpg...........:mad:
Sometimes all this b0ll0x on the messageboard just hacks me off-if you don't all like what we are doing come and do it yourselves............
And before someone ask's me-yes I am having a crap day!
John
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Monty]
couchcommando
25-Jan-2006, 17:33
Thing is Monty the entries speak for themselves, we all want to race in this series you and others have put so much work into ;) ;) how's that for diplomatic ?
Originally posted by Monty
"So we have 2 people with interest in the race series (the DD riders) voting against 2 people with no interest in the race series (the MT side), but if it's a draw then the MT decide anyway?
Doesn't sound very democratic to me............"
Thanks Antonye!
I wasn't aware that Paul James and myself (for it is us who represent the MT on DD) had "no interest in the race series"-that would explain the hundreds of hours I have spent working on it in the last 16months I suppose, and the fact that I was at every round last year apart from when I was out of the country, and all the bloody oil and stuff I lugged around in my motorhome at 22mpg...........:mad:
Sometimes all this b0ll0x on the messageboard just hacks me off-if you don't all like what we are doing come and do it yourselves............
And before someone ask's me-yes I am having a crap day!
John
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Monty]
Monty
We all put hundreds of hours into our bikes....thousands of pounds....because we all love the Desmo Due race series. That shows our commitment and love of the DD..........
Have a cold one on me..
dickieducati
25-Jan-2006, 17:43
Originally posted by Monty
Thanks Antonye!
I wasn't aware that Paul James and myself (for it is us who represent the MT on DD) had "no interest in the race series"-that would explain the hundreds of hours I have spent working on it in the last 16months I suppose, and the fact that I was at every round last year apart from when I was out of the country, and all the bloody oil and stuff I lugged around in my motorhome at 22mpgJohn
[Edited on 25-1-2006 by Monty]
yeah, see if you made more of an effort and got involved people wouldn't pick on you! ;)
i actually think ant has been taken out of context or worded his reply badly. dont quote me but i think he just meant interest as in 'vested interest' not ' not being interested in it' if you get my drift.
antonye
25-Jan-2006, 17:47
Whoa there!
I wasn't the one that said the MT side of the Race Committee would have "no interest in the race series", those words are copied *exactly* from the emails that we (the riders) keep being sent!
This is my issue entirely with that wording. Ian has qualified it better above by changing it to "vested interest" but that was not the original wording.
I still believe that by having two people on the race committee who have "no interest" in the series is a Bad Thing, because to mean it means that they don't give a **** whether the series is a success or a failure. Nor would they care if the riders protested about something because they would still have the ruling vote. This means that 100% of the riders could complain, but the other half of the committee could still out-vote them... and that, in my honest opinion, is not in the interest of the race series. Remember the bit about this series being for the riders?
I'm not knocking anyone who has put effort into the series. What I don't want to happen is for two members of the race committee, who have "no interest" in the series, to come along and undo all that good work and destroy the series.
Go back and read it again. You'll see that I'm actually on your side!
Sorry Ant-if you look at my last line you may see the reason for my lack of humour..............
The actual constitution of the race committee is 2 x MT and 2 x riders reps so in effect the riders have an equal say-the whole point of this is that all 4 of us will hopefully be working to the same end-to make the series a success. It is only in the very unlikely even of a total deadlock that there would be a casting vote from another MT member.
There was an instance last year where CB had to sign up for an event (Snetterton) and was personally liable-if someone had got hurt and decided to sue it would have been him who carried the can not the club and he could have lost his house. That is an extreme instance I know but the MT members are there since we are elected officers of the club and have to hold the interest's of the entire club in mind-not just the racers.
Now can we just put the politics to bed and get ready for some racing and FUN-since that is what we are all doing it for after all-I hope.:D
John
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