2006 Trackday form [Archive] - Ducati Sporting Club UK

JPM

31-Jan-2006, 22:09

Originally posted by doogalman
Do you normally have 5 groups on your track days?????
What is the ontrack time expected to be???

That is a question that needs answering....

£130 for Oulton is a good price, but if it's 5 groups I won't be going (usually 7 hours track time 1 hour lunch included, 20 minute sessions... you do the math)

Brands Indy £155??? :o I'd hate to see what the normal rate is for these dates

dickieducati

31-Jan-2006, 22:36

there are only ever 3 groups. its done like that to make allocating people into groups better, rather than say inters filling up and people not booking because there is no room. the whole group is split evenly amonst the ability of the riders attending. brands 155 is about right its not cheap.

JPM

31-Jan-2006, 22:52

Originally posted by dickieducati
there are only ever 3 groups. its done like that to make allocating people into groups better, rather than say inters filling up and people not booking because there is no room. the whole group is split evenly amonst the ability of the riders attending. brands 155 is about right its not cheap.

Not neccesarily so, remember Whele's Apex day at Brands last year, that was 4 groups to keep the price down...

31-Jan-2006, 22:59

Originally posted by JPM
Not neccesarily so, remember Whele's Apex day at Brands last year, that was 4 groups to keep the price down...

Well yes but that was an Apex day, not a DSC day. Dickie is right Jon, this is how some or all of the DSC days were done last year - to make sure each group was filled appropriately and there were no sharks cruising the wrong groups as well ...

ChrisBushell

31-Jan-2006, 23:42

John

I think it should be pointed out that Apex had to cease trading because they couldn't sustain the losses that they were making.

The Club has priced these days so that we have a better than even chance of ensuring that we dont make a loss. It is not here to subsidise a minority at the expense of the majority and the prices are lower than commercially available days.

If we dont get the numbers, then teh days will be cancelled, it is up to the members to commit if they want the events.

Murray Mint

31-Jan-2006, 23:51

What happened to the Ducati only TD's that the club normally runs?

Eamonn

01-Feb-2006, 00:42

Originally posted by Murray Mint
What happened to the Ducati only TD's that the club normally runs?

Day 1 at Cadwell is Ducati's only - see note 1 of the document.

:)

RickyX

01-Feb-2006, 14:55

Monty,

I cannot print or save the forms to my PC...can you attach them in a more computer friendly manner?

Thanks,

RX

Oops...sorted now!

[Edited on 1-2-2006 by RickyX]

01-Feb-2006, 14:59

Originally posted by RickyX
Monty,

I cannot print or save the forms to my PC...can you attach them in a more computer friendly manner?

Thanks,

RX

I downloaded them fine, if you right click and select the 'Save Target As' option you can save them anywhere you like. Assuming you're a windows user.

If that doesn't work I can e-mail them to you if you like?

[Edited on 1-2-2006 by TP]

RickyX

01-Feb-2006, 15:02

Originally posted by TP

I downloaded them fine, if you right click and select the 'Save Target As' option you can save them anywhere you like. Assuming you're a windows user.

If that doesn't work I can e-mail them to you if you like?

[Edited on 1-2-2006 by TP] [/quote]

Tony,

Done it now...must have had a senior moment!!!

Thanks,

RX

01-Feb-2006, 15:04

Originally posted by RickyX
Tony,

Done it now...must have had a senior moment!!!

Thanks,

RX

Ahhh ... wash that blue rinse out and you'll be fine ;)

:lol:

Lily

01-Feb-2006, 15:09

If I read this right, Jon was merely trying to understand how many groups were being run as it was a bit confusing and some TD companies have looked at alternatives including APEX so it was worth questioning just in case. If it was to be run with more groups then price was it was not so appealing.

As for the price of Brands Indy, again I don't think he was questioning the DSC price being bad, just that if that was a good price then it must be expensive normally, not something we would know as we do not go there. Indeed for the Oulton day its a very good price.

Dickie and TP's responses asnwered the questions fine and explained the reason for the five group options. Not certain there was a need for the following comments that to me come across very aggressive.

couchcommando

01-Feb-2006, 16:00

Cadwell looks appealing :)
I apologise now for the bike I will use on the 2nd day ;)

fil2

01-Feb-2006, 17:48

Originally posted by couchcommando
Cadwell looks appealing :)
I apologise now for the bike I will use on the 2nd day ;)

oh dear oh dear we let anyone on our track days now..:D

Monty

01-Feb-2006, 19:06

Just by way of explanation-Lizzie our multi talented membership secretary came up with the grouping idea.
Novice=Novice
Novice/Inters=prefer novice but could do inters
Inters=Inters
Inters/fast=prefer inters but could do fast
Fast=fast

As to the pricing, both Oulton and Cadwell are very good value. Brands is a cheap as I can reasonably make it without the club making a loss-again. I have checked against commercial days and the club is a bit cheaper on Brands for end May. You may have noticed that we are not offering 'T' shirts this year-basically they are a pain to organise, add to the cost, and lots of people don't actually want them, so I have dropped them. We may do a special for the Cadwell 2 day event if enough people want them, but they will be for sale on the day rather than included in the price.

John

Monty

01-Feb-2006, 19:07

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by couchcommando
Cadwell looks appealing :)
I apologise now for the bike I will use on the 2nd day ;)

oh dear oh dear we let anyone on our track days now..:D

We let you on don't we Phil??:lol:

John

doogalman

02-Feb-2006, 07:34

So please tell me. Is it 3 or 5 groups at brands. If it's 3 then i am sending my form off. But if it's 5 then sorry it's not for me. I don't like the idea of all the waiting around for less track time, then another company will get my money.

Ian Harris

02-Feb-2006, 09:05

Three groups. Novice/inters get allocated to either novices or inters depending on space. Inters/fast get allocated to either inters or fast .

I think the intention is that there is not a situation where Inters is full to bursting, not allowing movement between groups as the day progresses. Worked very well at Brands last year.

Re: price at Brands, still WAY cheaper for us South Londoners than travelling to any other track. Brands Indy may not be the largest track in the country, but Its great for knocking out the same corner time and time again to try and get it right, and when one of the corners is Paddock Hill, I'm not complaining....entry form on its way.

lizzie

02-Feb-2006, 10:12

One thing - just had a quick look at the Cadwell form so apologies if I've not read it right - can you make sure you specify which Cadwell day you want if you are not planning on doing both of them.....

02-Feb-2006, 10:47

Originally posted by doogalman
So please tell me. Is it 3 or 5 groups at brands. If it's 3 then i am sending my form off. But if it's 5 then sorry it's not for me. I don't like the idea of all the waiting around for less track time, then another company will get my money.

Just to be absolutely clear - there will only be three groups on the day.

JPM

02-Feb-2006, 11:20

Originally posted by Monty
I have checked against commercial days and the club is a bit cheaper on Brands for end May.
John

Hmmm, this bit technically isn't true Focused for example have a date in May for £149 and a date in June for £149

Focused 15/5 Brands Indy (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=303)

Focused 14/6 (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=305)

Not trying to be pedantic and be a sh*t stirrer Monty, just stating fact :)

dickieducati

02-Feb-2006, 11:28

i noticed that too.

although at the end of the day we may well have less bike on track; not sure; and they will all be members so hoefully more civilised.

at the end of the day we can either do it or not.

doogalman

02-Feb-2006, 13:00

Form on way for Brands

kwikbitch

02-Feb-2006, 23:50

Why's Brands open to owt...??? But Caddie is Dukes on First day and owt on 2nd?...
Is that because of the loss made last time?:puzzled:

Monty

03-Feb-2006, 14:29

Originally posted by kwikbitch
Why's Brands open to owt...??? But Caddie is Dukes on First day and owt on 2nd?...
Is that because of the loss made last time?:puzzled:

Absolutely darling, and because I get moaned at continually to let club members ride whatever bikes they want. So, to allow for this Brands and Oulton-which are more expensive and so harder to fill are open to members riding whatever bike. Cadwell is one Ducati only day and one open day-seemed fair to me, and the rest of the MT agreed.

John

Monty

03-Feb-2006, 14:38

Originally posted by JPM
Originally posted by Monty
I have checked against commercial days and the club is a bit cheaper on Brands for end May.
John

Hmmm, this bit technically isn't true Focused for example have a date in May for £149 and a date in June for £149

Focused 15/5 Brands Indy (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=303)

Focused 14/6 (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=305)

Not trying to be pedantic and be a sh*t stirrer Monty, just stating fact :)

I stand corrected JP-mind you they have the same days on the UK Trackdays listing at £159-which is where I checked since all days are there not just focused.
All I can assume is that they have a special deal with Brands MSV-(which I have been assured they don't) since they will need to fill it to make anything at all-without allowing for their cost's. What they may be doing is booking the track and providing their own medical and marshall cover-in which case they are not bound by MSV's operating procedures and can put more people out on track.

John

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by Monty]

Ian Harris

03-Feb-2006, 16:49

Originally posted by Monty
Originally posted by JPM
Originally posted by Monty
I have checked against commercial days and the club is a bit cheaper on Brands for end May.
John

Hmmm, this bit technically isn't true Focused for example have a date in May for £149 and a date in June for £149

Focused 15/5 Brands Indy (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=303)

Focused 14/6 (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=305)

Not trying to be pedantic and be a sh*t stirrer Monty, just stating fact :)

I stand corrected JP-mind you they have the same days on the UK Trackdays listing at £159-which is where I checked since all days are there not just focused.
All I can assume is that they have a special deal with Brands MSV-(which I have been assured they don't) since they will need to fill it to make anything at all-without allowing for their cost's. What they may be doing is booking the track and providing their own medical and marshall cover-in which case they are not bound by MSV's operating procedures and can put more people out on track.

John

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by Monty]

Its probably got something to do with Focused running evening sessions. Evenings get light fairly early in the year, so Focused will probably have a three group full day event, plus a two group evening session at £69 or similar ... got to be some savings there somewhere, crafty so and so's.

Loz

03-Feb-2006, 23:52

Forms downloaded and printed. All I need is a money-making scheme now.

Ah to hell with that, it grows on trees or something.

Now, B&Bs near Oulton Park ... some research required.

Ray

07-Feb-2006, 00:22

Only a wild guess but I reckon peeps will moan that the days should be Ducati only!! You can't please all of the peeps all of the time and various other cliche.

The Ducati only days are always something spesh, unique now in the UK???

Ray.

weeksy2

07-Feb-2006, 09:02

Originally posted by Ray
Only a wild guess but I reckon peeps will moan that the days should be Ducati only!! You can't please all of the peeps all of the time and various other cliche.

The Ducati only days are always something spesh, unique now in the UK???

Ray.

The monster club have run a TD for Monsters only for at least a few years, i get the impression they are running one this year too.

dickieducati

07-Feb-2006, 09:09

imho DSC trackdays should be ducati only. only my view but thats what its all about afaic.

wavydavy

07-Feb-2006, 09:12

Forms filled in and sent off for Brands & Cadwell, looking forward to it, missed out on some track action last year so need to make up for it.

All I need now is some cheap plastic bodywork.........?:rolleye:

weeksy2

07-Feb-2006, 09:20

Originally posted by dickieducati
imho DSC trackdays should be ducati only. only my view but thats what its all about afaic.

nice in the ideal world but people like Jon, Firefly, Skids etc etc all miss out then.

dickieducati

07-Feb-2006, 09:27

sure and its a shame but i think the allure of ducati only days is strong for current/potential new members. if there are 3 or more then yes make the others open to any bike.

wavydavy

07-Feb-2006, 10:05

Just the opinion of a new member but I'd like to say that a club run one make trackday does appeal to me. I've tried various trackdays in the past some good some bad but I'm hoping the DSC will be a more gentlemanly affair. Not that I'm not up for a some fast riding or a bit of laugh, but would hope to enjoy it with some like minded people with a mutual respect for each others enjoyment and safety.

07-Feb-2006, 10:33

Originally posted by weeksy2
Originally posted by dickieducati
imho DSC trackdays should be ducati only. only my view but thats what its all about afaic.

nice in the ideal world but people like Jon, Firefly, Skids etc etc all miss out then.

Jon has a 996R and Skids has about 7 gazillion ducati's! So the only person on that list that is valid is Firefly. I'm sure that someone would help her out getting on track on a Ducati given that she is a lovely person and is the daughter of the BHC massive RO. You also need to bear in mind that of the 4 TD's organised by Monty this year only one of them is Ducati only.

We do need to keep a little perspective here.

weeksy2

07-Feb-2006, 10:41

you miss the point a bit Tony, i wasn't having a go in the slightest... i was responding to Dickies comment. LOL

JPM

07-Feb-2006, 11:19

Originally posted by Ian Harris
Originally posted by Monty
Originally posted by JPM
Originally posted by Monty
I have checked against commercial days and the club is a bit cheaper on Brands for end May.
John

Hmmm, this bit technically isn't true Focused for example have a date in May for £149 and a date in June for £149

Focused 15/5 Brands Indy (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=303)

Focused 14/6 (http://www.focusedevents.com/event_details.asp?eid=305)

Not trying to be pedantic and be a sh*t stirrer Monty, just stating fact :)

I stand corrected JP-mind you they have the same days on the UK Trackdays listing at £159-which is where I checked since all days are there not just focused.
All I can assume is that they have a special deal with Brands MSV-(which I have been assured they don't) since they will need to fill it to make anything at all-without allowing for their cost's. What they may be doing is booking the track and providing their own medical and marshall cover-in which case they are not bound by MSV's operating procedures and can put more people out on track.

John

[Edited on 3-2-2006 by Monty]

Its probably got something to do with Focused running evening sessions. Evenings get light fairly early in the year, so Focused will probably have a three group full day event, plus a two group evening session at £69 or similar ... got to be some savings there somewhere, crafty so and so's.

Maybe... but there's never any evening sessions at Oulton for example, all to do with the Church etc

07-Feb-2006, 12:03

Originally posted by weeksy2
you miss the point a bit Tony, i wasn't having a go in the slightest... i was responding to Dickies comment. LOL

Fair enough, I just don't think your example is valid given that two of the people on your list have Ducati's and Firefly would find herself inundated with offers of bikes to ride.

No need to be so sensitive.

doogalman

12-Feb-2006, 10:42

Maybe, wait till all the forms are in and then the organisers fill the places with ducatis then any spaces not filled at the end of the day. Give them to the other marques. Or run a poll for opinions.

Redruth

27-Feb-2006, 18:01

Decided to commit to both Cadwell days after chatting with Lizzie yesterday at Brands and watching the DD boys having such fun on the track, in spite of the horizontal sleet at times. Form going in the post tonight, Lizzie.

:roll::roll:

Now all I need is
a) a tent - yes, camping because bed & breakfast costs on top is just too hard to swallow, and besides, I need the practice for the trip to France in September
b) someone to offer to put both my bikes in a van and bring them to Cadwell for me (or one if I'm forced to decide which to ride)
c) confidence to get the most out of both days
d) a fitness regime for the same reason

:sing::sing:

Monty

02-Mar-2006, 01:13

Well if you check at the top you will see that I have had to drop both Brands and Oulton-there just isn't enough interest in them and the financial risk is too great for the club. So come to the best trackdays you are ever going to get at Cadwell.

John

skidlids

02-Mar-2006, 01:47

Best i get my form in for Cadwell then
Do I get a choice of group Jon.
As much as I like the idea of riding my R6 on track its more than likely I will be bringing my 996 and a Supersport model, possibly the 750SSie or the DD bike.
The 998 was great to ride there last year but the 996 was built for track use and should be fun especially if I get the current upgrades completed.
Hopefully by then the 750 will be in Minitwin form.

Kev