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TopiToo
03-Feb-2006, 22:47
Hello
Just out of intrest has the DSC site been off air for a while tonight?
Or maybe these wireless connections are not worth diddly squat.
regards
TopiToo
ericthered40
03-Feb-2006, 22:54
sins 5pm this evening
TopiToo
03-Feb-2006, 22:58
Hello
I satarted to read the Pronto :puzzled:
glad we are back.
regards
TopiToo
Im not having a dig but maybe someone from the web team could advise why the site goes down on a regular basis.
It would be nice to know thats all.
Thanks
Morning, Not sure what caused it the site to go last night (I was out last night down the pub).
What was the site doing? To many connections or something else?
[Edited on 4-2-2006 by Flanks]
I must admit i find this occurs regularly. I remember it happening a while back as well, although some new singing and dancing bit was supposed to of sorted it?
It was v v slow Flanks, from aqbout 4,30ish, with people (even on superdooper fast broadband) making double postings, then the site just 'hang' for over 10 mins at about 5pm (the time of day when I read before home time from work).
I just gave up on it as the full screen wouldnt come up.
C
butch890
04-Feb-2006, 09:33
Originally posted by Flanks
Morning, Not sure what caused it the site to go last night (I was out last night).
What was the site doing? To many connections or something else?
Theres your bleeding problem, YOU WENT OUT!
Rule 167b (sub section d,paragraph 6) states "there must be one memberof the webteam on the bike AND pedalling at all times"
:P
Butch
Originally posted by andyb
I must admit i find this occurs regularly. I remember it happening a while back as well, although some new singing and dancing bit was supposed to of sorted it?
Problem before was too many people looking at the site at the same time, the server has been adjusted to allow 250 people. Another problem we have had, is our ISP had a power failure causing the site and server to close down.
So, hence me asking what it was doing, as neither TP or Eamonn have left a mail to say the site needed re-booting.
Originally posted by butch890
Originally posted by Flanks
Morning, Not sure what caused it the site to go last night (I was out last night).
What was the site doing? To many connections or something else?
Theres your bleeding problem, YOU WENT OUT!
Rule 167b (sub section d,paragraph 6) states "there must be one memberof the webteam on the bike AND pedalling at all times"
:P
Butch
You not heard, Friday nights is for the Commie Manager to pedal :P
Originally posted by AK and CK
It was v v slow Flanks, from aqbout 4,30ish, with people (even on superdooper fast broadband) making double postings, then the site just 'hang' for over 10 mins at about 5pm (the time of day when I read before home time from work).
I just gave up on it as the full screen wouldnt come up.
C
Thank you! Next time, do some work! Might have saved the site! :P
Originally posted by YMFB
Im not having a dig but maybe someone from the web team could advise why the site goes down on a regular basis.
The problem that we have been experiencing (more frequently over the last 6 months) is in the definition of how many simultaneous connections the website can handle.
Up until 14-Jan this setting was 100 simultaneous connections - I then increased it to 250 connections, which still doesn't appear to be enough!
I've now increased it to 350 - let's see how that goes!
It's a bit like setting up carbs - lots of options to change but you need to find just the right one and turn it just the right amount. Too little and it has no effect, too much and it all goes haywire :)
If there's anyone who has experience of tuning mySQL4 with Apache on Redhat Linux 9, please get in touch with the webteam. Any assistance will be greatfully received.
Yeah, what father of the webteam said :)
everton
04-Feb-2006, 10:24
Why don't you all just admit it! Someone forgot to put a half-crown in the meter before clearing off down the pub :mad:
butch890
04-Feb-2006, 10:26
Originally posted by everton
Why don't you all just admit it! Someone forgot to put a half-crown in the meter before clearing off down the pub :mad:
Whats a half crown?
Butch.
Last person i heard saying half a crown, was my grabddad, and he's 90 odd! :lol:
Henners
04-Feb-2006, 10:31
Time has come to spend some of the clubs funds on more suitable and effective software. I am sure this point will be raised and supported at the AGM on the 18th.
Although only about 100 or so members of the club post on here regularly, anyone who takes the time to go out and meet the members knows that there is a huge audience that watches this board on a daily basis. The fact that Eamonn has had to increase the instantaneous connection level to 350 proves this is true.
It is a great shop window for the club and a potentially good source of advertising revenue.
It deserves a better platform than XMB
Henners
Half man half mole
04-Feb-2006, 10:41
Ooops, think there may still be problems:puzzled:
It is taking at least ten times as long to get each page to load today. P'haps everyone is trying to catch up with the posts missed yesterday?
Moley:rodent:
PS Only have limited computer knowledge but happy to help if I can:D
everton
04-Feb-2006, 10:51
Flanks - 'Grabddad' :o:o do you have some issues you want to discuss.
Anyways, seems like the MT need to spend some dosh on an upgraded system. I can highly recommend one of these but we'd probably have to put membership charges up by 10,000% :lol::lol: ;
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/Everton1966/Cray.jpg
ChrisBushell
04-Feb-2006, 13:25
As ever in a Club with limited financial resources, in terms of membership income, the MT have to view how we can obtain the most benefit for all of the membership for each £1 that we spend. As stated earlier in this thread, the website is used by a minority of members and as such investment should be looked at in that light.
As part of the annual budgeting process the MT have already looked at our expenditure on the website and recommendations have been made.
You should start to see changes from March onwards.
Originally posted by Henners
Time has come to spend some of the clubs funds on more suitable and effective software. I am sure this point will be raised and supported at the AGM on the 18th.
Although only about 100 or so members of the club post on here regularly, anyone who takes the time to go out and meet the members knows that there is a huge audience that watches this board on a daily basis. The fact that Eamonn has had to increase the instantaneous connection level to 350 proves this is true.
It is a great shop window for the club and a potentially good source of advertising revenue.
It deserves a better platform than XMB
Henners
:puzzled:
And the problem we have has exactly what to do with xmb?
And you are suggesting spending more money on a facility that does not benefit the majority of DSC members?
There is already a budget proposal on spend for the website for 2006.
There will be a discussion on the website under AOB.
Iconic944ss
04-Feb-2006, 13:54
Hmmmmm....
I couldn't get on for a while last night too....Firefox browser wouldnt even load the home page and just kept saying 'connection reset' ???
But if the server was down too - only to be expected I guess.
I agree that its looking like a solution is needed - but disagree with Henners abit about moving away from XMB. The problems to me seem more to be more to do with the hosting than the software (???) - also if the search functions on here were a little bit better than present that would be good enough for me, I remember having a mootch on the XMB website and noted the DSC implementation seem to be a few releases old.
(have a look on their forum sometime):
http://forums.xmbforum.com/
I like our website and find it freshingly easy to navigate and fast loading (when it does :devil: ) - by comparison have alook at the up-north website which is visually great but I find a bit difficult to navigate - or the ducati.ms site which is again superb but the way the forum threads work simply makes my head ache.
Lets keep the site simple - PLEASE !!!
Frazzled Frank
[Edited on 4-2-2006 by Iconic944ss]
Originally posted by Iconic944ss
Hmmmmm....
I couldn't get on for a while last night too....Firefox browser wouldnt even load the home page and just kept saying 'connection reset' ???
But if the server was down too - only to be expected I guess.
I agree that its looking like a solution is needed - but disagree with Henners abit about moving away from XMB. The problems to me seem more to be more to do with the hosting than the software (???) - also if the search functions on here were a little bit better than present that would be good enough for me, I remember having a mootch on the XMB website and noted the DSC implementation seem to be a few releases old.
(have a look on their forum sometime):
http://forums.xmbforum.com/
I like our website and find it freshingly easy to navigate and fast loading (when it does :devil: ) - by comparison have alook at the up-north website which is visually great but I find a bit difficult to navigate - or the ducati.ms site which is again superb but the way the forum threads work simply makes my head ache.
Lets keep the site simple - PLEASE !!!
Frazzled Frank
[Edited on 4-2-2006 by Iconic944ss]
You'll find that whilst xmb offers a lot of other forum softs ones like vbulletin are much much easier to use for web admin, need little work, provide excellent support and release valuable webteam time. the problem might well be server but more than likely its also to do with stuff like XMB doing refresh searches in todays posts thus keeping connections open and queries on the server database.
Thread views are easily changed as vbulletin offers many user definable options, check the User CP edit options panels to see what you can change and how you view the sites using it.
There is no simple solution but given that the webteam do this in their spare time whatever is decided upon should fit their needs first and foremost, it shouldn't be a full time job for them keeping the site running. Cost is hardly a factor, £100 for the software or £35 a year if you lease it.
Originally posted by Flanks
Originally posted by andyb
I must admit i find this occurs regularly. I remember it happening a while back as well, although some new singing and dancing bit was supposed to of sorted it?
Problem before was tooo many people looking at the site at the same time. the server has been adjusted to allow 250 people. Another problem we have had, is our ISP had a power failure causing the site and server to close down.
So, hence me asking what it was doing, as neither TP or Eamonn have left a mail to say the site needed re-booting.
Its that bit that pi$$es me off:mad: Too many fre loaders while paid up member can't get a look in.:flame:
dickieducati
04-Feb-2006, 18:37
this site's up and down like a manic depressive.:mad:
Originally posted by dickieducati
this site's up and down like a manic depressive.:mad:
Or a scrubbers nickers:D
When I got in last night I saw that it was down and it was simply unavailable - not the usual too many connections error. I rebooted it but as I was heading straight back out I didn't do anything else.
Please bear with us in the short term - we are on the job.
Originally posted by TP
When I got in last night I saw that it was down and it was simply unavailable - not the usual too many connections error. I rebooted it but as I was heading straight back out I didn't do anything else.
Please bear with us in the short term - we are on the job.
Shouldn't that be pish;)
ericthered40
04-Feb-2006, 19:52
Originally posted by TP
When I got in last night I saw that it was down and it was simply unavailable - not the usual too many connections error. I rebooted it but as I was heading straight back out I didn't do anything else.
Please bear with us in the short term - we are ON THE JOB.
Well finish each other off and get the site working ;)
Just to add my twopennyworth, I am a fully paid up member and have not bitched once about the site being down although I have asked for the reason.
I would not renew my membership if the site was not at least as good as it is now as it is the only benefit I get from my annual subscription. I could easily take a more selfish view and be a forum member without paying.
So if it is necessary to invest in new software or hardware to make the site more stable and the cost was in proportion to the benefit it would get my vote.
Henners
04-Feb-2006, 21:20
Originally posted by Ian
And the problem we have has exactly what to do with xmb?
Please see above.
And you are suggesting spending more money on a facility that does not benefit the majority of DSC members?
You need to get out more
There is already a budget proposal on spend for the website for 2006.
Hope it's enough for new software
There will be a discussion on the website under AOB.
Do you mean the AGM?
It did it again to me around 1700hrs.....................:(
ericthered40
04-Feb-2006, 22:19
Yes me to
5pm same as yesterday but this time it just went on a real slow down :saint:
At 17:20 today I did a full server backup, created a new Y2004 archive, moved nearly 35,000 postings into the archive area, reset the system to allow up to 350 connections, and to finish off restarted the database and server systems.
That's why you couldn't get into the system at about the 17:00-17:20 timeframe.
For those that were interrupted, I apologise. I normally try to do the backups and reorganisations early in the morning (before 8am) but tomorrow I have other commitments that meant it was better to sort it late this afternoon before the 'evening rush'
TopiToo
04-Feb-2006, 22:56
Hello Eamonn
Just want to say thankyou for all your efforts.
regards
TopiToo
I wouldnt want to be regarded as moaning about this. I guess we all just want to get on when we can, i wouldnt even begin to understand how or why it works or doesnt.....:borg: I know managing the site can be somewhat difficult..........to say the least, well done by the way!
[Edited on 4-2-2006 by andyb]
Henners
05-Feb-2006, 00:20
I am not in any way levelling the issues ordinary messageboard users have with the board at you, however, it is clear that the current software is not webteam friendly and I will do all in my power to get funding to improve matters for you and the members of this club.
ericthered40
05-Feb-2006, 00:33
Or me just leting you know :D
Originally posted by Henners
I am not in any way levelling the issues ordinary messageboard users have with the board at you, however, it is clear that the current software is not webteam friendly and I will do all in my power to get funding to improve matters for you and the members of this club.
Henners it is not clear that the software is the issue, (as I said to you in my e-mail) - sorry Gizmo, you have an opinion but it is an opinion not fact I am afraid.
Some history, - a couple of years ago we upgraded this xmb software, we did that after considering various alternative options and took the decision to stick with an upgrade rather than start afresh, - I actually proposed another type of software but the majority decision was to stick with what we had and upgrade it, - Henners you voted for that within a MTM.
To change the software would at estimate involve 3-6 days work, therefore the cost of the software being a couple of hundred pounds is of little relevance. The real cost is the time to the webteam. Or we could just start a new messageboard and scrap all that has gone on before, - all the logins etc. The MT has given Eamonn the ok to asses (he would come back to get the ok) outside cost if extra help is required. Is somebody going to suggest that 6 days at what could be £1000 per day is an acceptable amount for the benefit of less than 10% of the members please do make your case. There is a concern within the club that this website costs us too much already, hence plans to recoup costs with selling advertising within it.
My own view would be to improve the website in general not just the messageboard, - the website itself is way too messageboard focused, - the messageboard is not the great asset for attracting members that it should be; the last months "bickering" has proved that. There should be imo a lot more work done on the "meet us", the "regional pages"; the more static stuff that to be honest is tired and out of date.
I work in IT, - an always available IT facility is available, at a cost. - This messageboard is not a mission critical function, Lloyds Bank closes its online facilities every single day, - through the night, - every single messageboard that I have used at some point goes down or offline. We are a bike club not a bank!! Is it really the end of the world? No. This messageboard has I believe attracted a lot of outside interest over the last month due to the bickering, if and when that dies down we will likely have no problem. It would be foolish to jump in now and spend so much effort and money without first understanding exactly what the problem is and what the implications are. Interestingly if we did change the software the messageboard might well be down for longer than it has already in the last month. As Eamonn said to me "if we have 24 hours downtime in any one month we still achieve 96.66% uptime. That's an excellent figure given the monthly expenditure".
I am currently having an e-mail conversation with Eamonn about this very subject. I have volunteered to take on this work in order to migrate with everything in tact. I WISH I charged £1000 a day but unfortunately I don't!
The alternative is as Ian says, we make some upgrades/changes to the current software and push on. There are pro's and con's to each and Eamonn, Mark and I are having this debate and we'll come to some resolution in the short term.
Now that we all know this perhaps it might behoove all to leave it with the webteam for now and progress it after Eamonn makes his recommendation? I'm not suggesting that you all stop commenting on it, obviously we don't censor that sort of debate, but perhaps it might be more constructive to e-mail your thoughts to the webteam or even send it via u2u to the webteam?
:)
i don't see any problem
every know and then the sites down
halve an hour later it's sorted
i agree with improving the rest of the site rather than the message board
it's already the best message board on the web!!
I don't see the site up or down issue as that big a problem and its not all linked to the software and is partly server related as well but what needs looking at is how the regular updates gets communicated to the members which leads into the software used
At the moment no facility exists for events to be added by RO's, we don't have a calendar, events aren't highlighted before hand and its up to RO's to send out reminders of monthly meets. New software does not change the forums, they will still exist but what it can add is more interaction between organizers and the membership which should result in better attended events, more reasons to be a member of the DSC and less work for the webteam.
That, IMO, is worth consideration but webteam need to make that decision , its their unpaid time and the decision should be their's within a budget agreed by MT or the AGM. I'm not certain it can all be done before the AGM but I'm sure Eamonn and the team will try and present something there if they can.
Just looking at the bottom of the board....there are currently 22 members and 22 guests viewing................does that mean were running on only 50% of the money available?
More of a rally cry than a complaint but, having just sent off my £20 membership yesterday, i bet thats less than most spent on beer and a kebab/curry last night!
Henners
07-Feb-2006, 00:31
The site was down for 90 minutes again tonight. Ian -whatever the reasons - the level of down time currently is unacceptable. Let's sort it at the AGM.
Originally posted by Gizmo
I don't see the site up or down issue as that big a problem and its not all linked to the software and is partly server related as well but what needs looking at is how the regular updates gets communicated to the members which leads into the software used
At the moment no facility exists for events to be added by RO's, we don't have a calendar, events aren't highlighted before hand and its up to RO's to send out reminders of monthly meets. New software does not change the forums, they will still exist but what it can add is more interaction between organizers and the membership which should result in better attended events, more reasons to be a member of the DSC and less work for the webteam.
That, IMO, is worth consideration but webteam need to make that decision , its their unpaid time and the decision should be their's within a budget agreed by MT or the AGM. I'm not certain it can all be done before the AGM but I'm sure Eamonn and the team will try and present something there if they can.
THis sounds like an excellent idea and one that I would back as an RO. If we can attract more people to meets that has to be a good thing and surely something that the club needs to focus upon for this year - a very good investment of some of the club surplus.
Gents, there have been DNS issues the last 24 hours or so i believe. This would have a knockon effect for some i would have thought depending on the ISP your using.
Henners
07-Feb-2006, 11:04
Possibly - however TP rebooted and all was well.
Big up to Tony for getting on the case as soon as he was made aware last night. Eamonn has been in touch to say that recommendations for improvements to the website will be made at the AGM.
As Webby says - there can be few better ways of spending the club financial surplus than on this site which is our most visible asset as a club. I am sure we would all rather the money was spent on the club than paid in tax to the Revenue.
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