View Full Version : Can you/anyone beat Spencer ?
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 13:37
I'm just wondering what all you boys think ?
it does seem to me that several think Spencer is untouchable ....
I can - it's merely down to using the appropriate baseball bat.
Rattler
10-Feb-2006, 13:52
Who?
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Originally posted by weeksy2
I'm just wondering what all you boys think ?
He was beaten last season.
it does seem to me that several think Spencer is untouchable ....
The ones who won't beat him.
Everyone is beatable. I think I proved that last season :lol:
No matter how good and fast you are, there will always be someone faster - That the way of life.
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 13:54
But that doesn't answer my Qn....
Ok, Who do you think will beat him ?
Will it be you ?
(not directed to Dom, but the general masses)
Beat in one race or overall in the championship.?
Originally posted by TP
I can - it's merely down to using the appropriate baseball bat.
So you cant beat Geoff in a race tony.?
Rattler
10-Feb-2006, 14:01
Originally posted by weeksy2
I'm just wondering what all you boys think ?
it does seem to me that several think Spencer is untouchable ....
Everyone is beatable - you must know that more than most ;)
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 14:04
Both really PHil...
1 race or a championship. Try to forget about 'breakdowns' or 'crashes' obviously everyone is a possibility of that. But i mean in a 1-1 battle or even a 5-1 battle.
Weeksy, what do you think??
Originally posted by fil2
So you cant beat Geoff in a race tony.?
Oh you want a serious answer!
Everyone is beatable at some point or another. And every dog has his day.
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 14:09
To be honest mate, based on last year and based on who i 'know' who's entering (only couch really) then i'd have to say No, i don't think any of you lot can/will beat him given the above criteria.
I'm certainly hoping he's pushed a little more this season purely from a spectator perspective.
I could!:D
I was right up his chuff at the trackday last year at Cadwell for 2 laps:smug:
go on Geoff - back me up mate!:D:D:D
I think there are plenty of people who think they can beat Geoff, otherwise, what's the point?
This aint a precession. Geoff just happens to be a good rider on a good bike.
There will be more good riders on good bikes this year.
Whatever, it's gunna be exciting and VERY fierce at the front - Even for GS.
I know I can beat him, but I'm the only one brave enough to admit it, and you lot humor me, but I have faith in my ability and so do people who know me and know what they're on about.
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 14:19
there's nowt wrong with self belief IMO... i had a LOT of it, however misguided in the past, personally i feel you have to think you can do it at least until the light go out and they **** off into the distance :)
plenty, well... 1 up to now fella. You.
well I think Fast Freddie was one of the best racers ever. :roll:
And yes somebody could beat Geoff, and I would be surprised if Geoff himself did not think that, - but who am I to say, - much prefer the racers to do their talking on the track not the messageboard and that is why I have nothing but respect for Geoff; he came up with the goods when it was required, - and he is great to watch in action.
Tonio600
10-Feb-2006, 14:26
He has already proven to be the fastest of last year DD riders. He never crashes and he doesn't say a word. I think some of you can beat him on one day, but not on the whole season.
Let's see what the newcomers can bring to the game and what all the Biaggis (me included :lol: ) can do with their 2006 bike...
[Edité le 10-2-2006 par Tonio600]
Nattyboy
10-Feb-2006, 15:11
Can he be beaten..? Come on boys..hes not a bloody cyborg ! - hes just another (albeit very talented) rider.
I watched Geoff a few times last year and hes a very smooth/consistent/tidy rider, who seemed to know the tracks very well (the latter being critical at this level of racing I guess).
That said - and Im not going to blow smoke up peoples backsides by naming names!!:P) - but I was also impressed by the level of riding and more importantly commitment/effort a few of the other riders showed last year.
When you factor in all important extra (DD) circuit experience you now have, then the gap should have naturally narrowed between Geoff and the 4 or 5 places behind him.
I guess the minute you start asking yourself if you could beat someone is the day to hang up your Arai...I suppose the best approach is just to consantly strive to improve on your own riding and the gap will naturally diminish ..wether you in 2nd place, or in 10th place.
So come on gwasshoppers...pull your fingers out and I look forward to watching your progress...:D
Nat
dickieducati
10-Feb-2006, 15:12
he's a superb rider, but beatable for sure. he was; and will be again; on a well set up bike, and he has lots of race experience. the gap will close all the time. how will he cope with a few others challenging? last season was relatively easy for him and he clearly had some in reserve but the pack are closing fast.
i bet he don't win at assen.
psychlist
10-Feb-2006, 15:45
I'm gonna beat the lot of ya :P
If not this year in the 583 class then next year in the 620's ;)
i could!
but you all know that already;)
WeeJohnyB
10-Feb-2006, 16:01
Of course GS is beatable, but not by anyone currently in DD, (Well nobody I know), unless there is someone coming in this year.
From the races I watched and those that I heard about, Geoff hasn't actually RACED yet, to him, he's led out the Intermediate group for the sighting laps on a trackday.
In this series, he's unproven at being put under real pressure. At the race at Donny, I watched second placed person, think it was Marc Potter, put him under some pressure, but then Geoff seemed to be able to put 20m on him in a lap, just as Marc got close, Geoff looked over his shoulder as if to say, 'too close mate' and upped the pace. I'm pretty sure he's been doing just enough to win and has probably never actaully had his 'race' head on. What would he be like with 4 or 5 guys around him at every corner? Up until now he has been exceptionally smooth, but that's not always possible when someone is diving under you on the brakes and nicking your line. I've heard from others that have raced with him in the past that he will up his game when challenged.
I do hope that for the sake of the championship, someone can give him a hard time, but I foresee him winning pretty much every race.
In saying that, all the novice racers are a season wiser which could count for something and many bikes may be a bit better prepared, so both of these might be worth a second a lap....still not enough to get close to Geoff.
Unless there is someone who is learning and developing as every week goes by, ie taking tenths and seconds off their times and going up the field at each meeting, then the rest of the pack will pretty much stay as they are, with a small percentage change in their times. There will be not much significant change in the order of the championship from 2005 to 2006. One exception will be Domski.
Who's in 583? Are you still there Phil or did I read you have bought a 620. If Phil is in 583, I reckon he'll win it fairly easily, if in 620, he may push Geoff if at the top of his game. I'd love to be proved wrong mind you, just cause I like the underdog. The biggest surprise last year to me was the lack of form from Domski, who, having known his CB500 times and comparing them to my own and people who won the CB5 Cup, I thought he'd be right up there winning races - he may well win a few if he's on a better bike this year and his heads in the right place.
As for hanging up your Arai or self belief being a factor to give up trying.....trust me, the guys from mid pack down will NEVER win a race, we an't all be winners, so why do they do it? All the right reasons like adreniline, fun, mates, hobby, beat the guys racing around them etc. You don't think the guys at the back of the MotoGP grid REALLY think they have a chance of beating Rossi? No. They simply don't have the skill or the bike. Sure have goals, but don't confuse them with deluded dreams. IMHO;);)
WeeJohnyB
Originally posted by tetol
i bet he don't win at assen.
So he's not going to Assen then???
Firstly apologies to Geoff for having to put up with being discussed like this, I'm sure it'll do your self-esteem no harm...
Secondly I doubt Geoff was pushed very hard in the majority of races, but there were a couple where I could have sworn he broke a sweat!
Based on Snet:
Best lap
GS: 1:21.64
AB: 1:24.72
Behind at finish: 27 secs over 30mins
Best lap
GS: 1:41.69
AB: 1:43.59
Behind at finish: 14.9 secs over 15mins
Working on the basis that the 11-13bhp difference (I know that mine was putting out 51.5) is worth 1.5-2 secs/lap then it looks kind of acheivable based on the absolute figures.
Unfortunately racing at our level is no more connected to figures than it is to horoscopes. Racecraft counts for much, as does aggression, and decent nights sleep before. MotoGP boys deal in thous, we deal in getting round the corner without falling off (not my best feature).
So the answer is as per everyone else. Yes, every dog has his day, but I'd put £20 on Boggy taking the championship.
Ali
Nattyboy
10-Feb-2006, 16:11
Maybe i'm a bit naughty asking this - but if the differential is that big...why do you think Geoff has come back to DD and not revisited other series...just curious ?
Surely its not much fun having that much in reserve and winning week in, week out..? :puzzled:
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 16:13
nice posts lads :) interesting thoughts from a 'spectator' point of view.
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 16:14
Originally posted by Nattyboy
Maybe i'm a bit naughty asking this - but if the differential is that big...why do you think Geoff has come back to DD and not revisited other series...just curious ?
Surely its not much fun having that much in reserve and winning week in, week out..? :puzzled:
i wondered that more than once myself fella.
Originally posted by WeeJohnyB
There will be not much significant change in the order of the championship from 2005 to 2006. One exception will be Domski.
Ummm, why? I know I'm exceptional, but in what sense?
The biggest surprise last year to me was the lack of form from Domski, who, having known his CB500 times and comparing them to my own and people who won the CB5 Cup, I thought he'd be right up there winning races - he may well win a few if he's on a better bike this year and his heads in the right place.
Believe me, you weren't the only one who was surprised!!!!!
But, like you say, Form is temporary - Quality is permanant, or sumfing.
I'm not saying I'll win this season, but I think I have a much much better chance. As the year goes on and I get back into the swing of things, I'll be getting thinner and fitter and faster. I'll be on for a win as long as the final round isn't at Cad.... Oh shiiiiite!!
:lol:
skidlids
10-Feb-2006, 16:18
Originally posted by ali
Based on Snet:
Best lap
GS: 1:21.64
AB: 1:24.72
Behind at finish: 27 secs over 30mins
Best lap
GS: 1:41.69
AB: 1:43.59
Behind at finish: 14.9 secs over 15mins
Working on the basis that the 11-13bhp difference (I know that mine was putting out 51.5) is worth 1.5-2 secs/lap then it looks kind of acheivable based on the absolute figures.
So the answer is as per everyone else. Yes, every dog has his day, but I'd put £20 on Boggy taking the championship.
Ali
Like Ali I reckon having a 620 was probably worth 1.5 secs over a 675 when ridden properly and that a 675 was probably worth the best part of 1.5 secs over a 583.
We had a couple of very good riders on 675s who did there best to take on many of the 620s but I feel Geoff was that little bit futher ahead and wasn't going to be caught by anyone other than maybe Clint.
I'm not going to be able to beat Geoff no matter what I'm on, back in 2000 when I was on the same grids as him he just became a dot in the distance.
He has been a New Era Sound of Thunder champion and could so easily have been European champion.
I know a few racers that are leagues ahead of me who could give Geoff a good race, but none are in DD although a couple are in the DSC and race a Ducati.
Good thing about having the likes of Geoff out there is it gets others to raise their game and move them a step closer.
Now I will go back and ready the other replies that I skipped over
butch890
10-Feb-2006, 16:49
Bear in mind that im having intensive training at almeria in readyness for the season!..............
still wont be quick enough though!
But i will win the over 50,s cup though:lol::lol::lol:
Butch
antonye
10-Feb-2006, 16:52
I'm on my third visit to California again in two weeks ... these two week courses out there are great for getting upto speed ... ;)
Originally posted by skidlids
Good thing about having the likes of Geoff out there is it gets others to raise their game and move them a step closer.
Bang on. Having Geoff in the championship is far better for the riders than it is for the spectators.
He went out of his way last year to help me learn Cadwell, and lots of lines on other circuits, and having him so far ahead really does help drag you along. By the end of last season I was carrying cornerspeeds I never dreamt possible at the beginning, and had dropped my Cadwell lap time by 10 secs. Most of that came by hanging on to the coat tails of Clint, Mike, Phil, Ian, etc, and from watching GS.
If he wants to stay and hit us with a big stick for another year then fair enough. I'd much rather have someone right at the front to try catching than be in his situation and be constantly fending off attacks. :D
the only time Andy #36 came close was his only ride on the Tango at Brands, same placings as Dom got at Cadwell.
Made me wish we had started the season off with tango...
Note for 2006, must try harder:)
Originally posted by Nattyboy
Maybe i'm a bit naughty asking this - but if the differential is that big...why do you think Geoff has come back to DD and not revisited other series...just curious ?
Surely its not much fun having that much in reserve and winning week in, week out..? :puzzled:
watch this space :)
Tonio600
10-Feb-2006, 17:21
Message original : WeeJohnyB
As for hanging up your Arai or self belief being a factor to give up trying.....trust me, the guys from mid pack down will NEVER win a race, we an't all be winners, so why do they do it? All the right reasons like adreniline, fun, mates, hobby, beat the guys racing around them etc. You don't think the guys at the back of the MotoGP grid REALLY think they have a chance of beating Rossi? No. They simply don't have the skill or the bike. Sure have goals, but don't confuse them with deluded dreams. IMHO;);)
That's exactly how I see things :)
Thanks for writing that down for me, I couldn't have done it so well :lol:
Originally posted by AK and CK
the only time Andy #36 came close was his only ride on the Tango at Brands, same placings as Dom got at Cadwell.
Made me wish we had started the season off with tango...
Note for 2006, must try harder:)
I think Andy and Dom have the best chance to challenge for the top spot.....
Thats if they start on the right bike at race 1....
[Edited on 10-2-2006 by fil2]
Rattler
10-Feb-2006, 17:47
Can we go race yet?????
I'm bored with this ****!!!
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 17:52
Nope.. you can wait.... and answer the Qn while you're here.
Rattler
10-Feb-2006, 18:02
'course I can - It's myself I have trouble beating!!!
Well after watching all the races last year all I got to say is bring it on .Hopefully the bikes will all be on a equal parr this time ,some thing I feel was not so last year. GS brings a good amount of talent and experiance to the DD track that can only help fellow riders and as seen in the passed only to pleased to help . As for the pleeps watching the racing,it dont all ways matter whos where or who's who so long as we see every one enjoying there "own" race. As I see it they are all WINNERS 4D
Nigel C
10-Feb-2006, 20:19
Originally posted by ali
Firstly apologies to Geoff for having to put up with being discussed like this,
glad someone said that
boggy 8
10-Feb-2006, 20:37
Originally posted by AK and CK
I could!:D
I was right up his chuff at the trackday last year at Cadwell for 2 laps:smug:
go on Geoff - back me up mate!:D:D:D
Im just pleased your not racing this year,I dont think I could stand the pressure. :D
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 20:38
Why ? it's not different to people sitting here discussing Rossi ? or whether Bayliss can do it in WSB, or whether Felix was going to stuff me at Dony park, it's all exactly the same.
By putting yourself in the public eye and joining a race series, it's instantly putting yourself up for discussion.
No-one has said a thing out of order in this thread.
DISCUSSION FORUM...
weeksy2
10-Feb-2006, 20:39
As you're here Geoff, is this a problem ? if it is, i'll delete it.
boggy 8
10-Feb-2006, 20:51
Originally posted by weeksy2
As you're here Geoff, is this a problem ? if it is, i'll delete it.
Its not a problem to me. I hope everyone has raised their game for 2006 including me. I wouldn't have entered DD again this year if i didn't think the competition would be good. I will also be entering super club S.O.T.
[Edited on 10-2-2006 by boggy 8]
[Edited on 10-2-2006 by boggy 8]
so Geoff, do you reckon I should do that ACU then?
could be good for a larf;)
mind you, not sure now if Andy is going to be fit to ride, cos still having probs after his severe illness at Christmas.
Question is, will I be quick enuff on Tango, if I do have to step in?:o
boggy 8
10-Feb-2006, 21:23
[quote]Originally posted by AK and CK
so Geoff, do you reckon I should do that ACU then?
Yes go for it what have you got to loose.
Send Andy my best wishes.
Geoff
Originally posted by boggy 8
Send Andy my best wishes.
Geoff
will do mate - hopefully his heart might have settled down by now - will know more later this week tho.
He still wants to try a trackday soon - you flippin racers eh? - its too bloody cold for me at this time of the year!
C
ps: do they do one piece leathers in hippo size?:o:pig:
I got a feeling I won't me beating the boggyman this year, but my claim to fame was leading him until turn 2 (cadwell, round 6) in both races!
Next time geoff, just try'n stay behind long enough for it to register on the timesheet would you!!!
And CK... get yer flippin' licence and come play!
psychlist
11-Feb-2006, 00:13
Originally posted by WeeJohnyB
.....trust me, the guys from mid pack down will NEVER win a race,
WeeJohnyB
Sorry John, that's wrong on so many levels and this year I'll prove it :borg:
WeeJohnyB
11-Feb-2006, 20:15
Yes of course you will....dream on....if you win a scheduled proper DD race in 2007 I'll give you £100 mate;)
Now that's not to say anyone can't improve, of course they can, I'd like to think I could win a decent race one day. I won a CB500 race and had plenty of second places and got a third on Montys TZ once, but if I do step up to Superclub 600's as is sort of my weak-willed plan for 2007, I am 10 seconds a lap behind the winner and in all honesty if I gave up my job and spent all year on the one track, I still wouldn't make up 10 seconds. We can't all win, simple as that.
All I'm saying is be real about your goals, sure 'dare to dream', 'reach for the stars and you might just hit the moon', but if one sets oneself up for achieving things that are beyond us, then we're going to live an unfulfilled life. Just my personal realistic outlook on life.
If you're totally crap and just started out, sure, you have a chance of knocking big chunks off your times and move up the field. In my first ever race I was 16th out of about 25 and by the end of the season I got a second place and very nearly won (I didn't know I was leading the race:mad:). However, my thoery is that once you get to a level, you are pretty much where you will always be, so me gaining so many places ina year is one thing, but then the following year, my times were all pretty much the same.
Take Jerez this year. Best I've done is a 2.04 on my old 748 three years ago. Not bad for a standerd 748E, then last year I had my new 600RR, but only manged a 2.05 as it was my first timeon it and I didn't push it as it was so shiney and I'd spent a lot of cash on it. This year I was seriously going for a sub 2 minute, but the weather and my mood were not up to it. Then some bloke did a 1.53 on a 600RR.....I'm simply not in the same league and never will be.
WeeJohnyB
I think anyone can beat Geoff if they believe they are good enough & have the bike & the backing & don't think it's a done deal before they they start.
One thing for sure it wont be weeksy
weeksy2
11-Feb-2006, 23:39
Originally posted by chass
One thing for sure it wont be weeksy
Claws away please fella.:rodent:
psychlist
11-Feb-2006, 23:44
Originally posted by WeeJohnyB
Yes of course you will....dream on....if you win a scheduled proper DD race in 2007 I'll give you £100 mate;)
Game on :devil:
GsxrAge
12-Feb-2006, 00:03
Yeah I can kick his ass :cool:
on this
http://age996.southwestbikers.com/bike0501%5B1%5D.jpg
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Originally posted by TP
yawn
you need to go to bed earlier tp :)
He's getting old bless him :)
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