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Who takes it flat out? Not even a slight roll off I mean?
Do you?
Do the BSB boys? I couldn't imagine that they didn't have to brake there!
I'll try and find that link to that site showing the BBC BSB coverage videos where Parrish did his crap commentary and some BSB pro loony rode the lap prior to the real race coverage beginning.
That'll show you if they back off. Can't imagine they do much with their suspension setups and hot slicks.
Having said that....even WeeJB had to back off yesterday on his methanol powered CB500 in a hails-storm that swept thru the valley!!!!! :o :D:D:D
Nutters!!!!!
Gc
I'm sure I did a couple of times on the 675, but it's too quick on the 620. If you find yourself on the kerb on the right then you'll not get far enough left for Charlies 1 without dropping too much cornerspeed.
I'm sure it can/is done, but I'm not good enough to do it. Yet.
I always slow down too much for that corner, I dont brake but roll off enough to get some weight on the front for the turn in then back on the power to get round and up the hill.
dont think there is any point in going in too hot as you end up wide for the right hander at the top.
i'm no cadwell expert and there are plenty of them. the super fast boys do go in there pushing the front very hard.
i'll be keeping an eye on this thread.. i could do with some cadwell tips!
It was flat out on the CB500, but even that took some bottle.
I was knocking it off on the Tango Queen too - everytime telling myself off, but its one of those bottler corners.
There is no way on earth that BSB would go through there on the stop. They'd end up in Horncastle!
Maybe you should ask Geoff? He's got to be one of, if not the quickest DSC'ers at Cadwell.
Shouldn't this be in "Trackdays" ???
Originally posted by DIBBLE
Shouldn't this be in "Trackdays" ???
Nah, I don't reckon. The question includes BSB etc so not really.
Trackdays are for girls :lol:
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by DIBBLE
Shouldn't this be in "Trackdays" ???
Nah, I don't reckon. The question includes BSB etc so not really.
well thats the floodgates open ......
Thats got to be one of the best corners on the curcuit, I have vivid memories from last years DSC TD Thinking I would give it my best shot ,beging the bike to turn up the hill having gone in a little ensusiastic drifting further to the right than one wants to,then finding the right hander at the top of the hill even harder to pull round because of it . Dont we just love it. Can catches a lot of people out though especially on cold tyres . 4D :frog:
Harv748
27-Feb-2006, 23:45
Just watched that video clip on my PC (I have them all saved...but don't know how to show them here as a link???).
The BSB boys take it after dropping down 3 gears, in 3rd at about 110mph.
[Edited on 27-2-2006 by Harv748]
Chris Wood
27-Feb-2006, 23:48
Flat out, on the 675 yes, every time only way to keep up with the 620's.
I learn't this following one very quick local lad....won a few DD races last year...cut my lap times at Cadwell by 2-3 secs easily after some tuition.
Late entry, way off the bike's side and hold on tight.....and away you go!
andys 900ss
28-Feb-2006, 00:09
My old man used to have the lap record for sidecars in the 80's and he said not to backoff, just go down one gear and power through it, mind you he was also the one who taken out the post at mansfield :o
Andy
ericthered40
28-Feb-2006, 01:49
That all sounds a little bit dangerous to me, couldn't one harm one self attempting that kind of malarkey :alien:
Originally posted by domski
Not at your pace :sing:
:lol::frog::lol::frog::lol::frog::lol::frog::lol:
taking it well eric.
/ian
ericthered40
28-Feb-2006, 04:51
Originally posted by domski
Not at your pace :sing:
Stupid boy pike
:D
I'm gonna have to drag my sorry old slow paced ass up and kick that fat yellow tush of yours soon now Dom Young fell me lad. :D
Your name alzo iz on za list.
:frog:
O silly me I thought you were all talking about going round there flat out in the wet :cool:
I've managed to hold it flat on the monster up Coppice, but that was running supercorsa's - I haven't managed to do it on Diablo's yet, I keep rolling off slightly to turn it.
Need bigger testicles!
ericthered40
28-Feb-2006, 12:27
Originally posted by TP
I've managed to hold it flat on the monster up Coppice, but that was running supercorsa's - I haven't managed to do it on Diablo's yet, I keep rolling off slightly to turn it.
Need bigger testicles!
You could just get a third one popped in with the other Two :lol:
After a full morning session on a warm circuit with soft slicks I could take Coppice flat on the old 996. Took me most of the day to get the bottle, but it could be done. At the last DSC track day there, I was instructing someone and they eventually improved about 3 seconds by building up to it after watching me go through. I very much doubt I'll be able to take it flat on the beast though. She will be hitting the turn a good 10 to 20 mph quicker than the old bike.
I have just got off the phone to JR, and he tells me that on his Rizla bike, it's a VERY heavy braking zone and down from 6th to 3rd.
He thinks on the Duke he was only coming down to 4th. 'kin nutter! :lol:
Originally posted by ericthered40
I'm gonna have to drag my sorry old slow paced ass up and kick that fat yellow tush of yours soon now Dom Young fell me lad. :D
I think you could find yourself having to slow down to kick my ass :(
manny fagnet
28-Feb-2006, 15:17
Quick, someone sign Johnny Fartpants up!
Coppice flat in top 160mph?
YOU DA MAN............
Originally posted by manny fagnet
Quick, someone sign Johnny Fartpants up!
Coppice flat in top 160mph?
YOU DA MAN............
Since when did a standard 996 ever do 160? :lol:
Originally posted by manny fagnet
Quick, someone sign Johnny Fartpants up!
Coppice flat in top 160mph?
YOU DA MAN............
And on the short run from Barn? 100 max would be my estimate.
Course if you had been there on Sunday on your "so called" Green Missile, you would have seen just how NOT to take the following corner!
manny fagnet
28-Feb-2006, 16:23
:ninja:
Not there my but cheeks!
I slipped under the Yeti radar undetected, even at one time inspecting the wreckage.
As for the missile from the land rising sun, it will make an appearance at a more appropriate time.
Beware Yeti, i'm on ya.
Originally posted by yeti
After a full morning session on a warm circuit with soft slicks I could take Coppice flat on the old 996. Took me most of the day to get the bottle, but it could be done. At the last DSC track day there, I was instructing someone and they eventually improved about 3 seconds by building up to it after watching me go through. I very much doubt I'll be able to take it flat on the beast though. She will be hitting the turn a good 10 to 20 mph quicker than the old bike.
I have just got off the phone to JR, and he tells me that on his Rizla bike, it's a VERY heavy braking zone and down from 6th to 3rd.
He thinks on the Duke he was only coming down to 4th. 'kin nutter! :lol:
John exiting barn correctlyand then with a down hill run, you should be able to reach 130 I would have thought on a std 996. but wasn't yours a 'S' with the old sps motor. Thats got to be worth another 5 ish mph. And you took it flat out.;)
Myself I always ease off the throttle, stroke the brake lever for comfort. Turn the bike and then power through the turn.
Rattler
28-Feb-2006, 20:18
Originally posted by Jon
Myself I always ease off the throttle, stroke the brake lever for comfort. Turn the bike and then power through the turn.
Don't you just straight line it Jon????? ;)
i tape up my spedo,;) ive found out that it was one less thing to look for/worry about.
Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by Jon
Myself I always ease off the throttle, stroke the brake lever for comfort. Turn the bike and then power through the turn.
Don't you just straight line it Jon????? ;)
Only the once:lol:
Pedro you worry too much:P
Originally posted by pedro
i tape up my spedo
It's much easier just to shut your eyes ;)
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by pedro
i tape up my spedo
It's much easier just to shut your eyes ;)
He did that at the hairpin, then fell off:lol:
I honestly can't see how you could take it flat on a big bike - no way. A 996 or something like that, imagine the pace you'd be rocketing at Coppice with!
I can't remember exactly but I'd say the DD bikes would go round there around 100mph'ish? It was getting peaky in 5th with short gearing so I'd guess at 100-110'ish? DD riders, what do you reckon?
Getting a good drive out of Barn on the 996 would see you doing well in excess of 130mph I would have thought! Coppice at 130+mph? Any of us? I'd like to see that.
Originally posted by Jon
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by pedro
i tape up my spedo
It's much easier just to shut your eyes ;)
He did that at the hairpin, then fell off:lol: i remember yo doing the same at donny hairpin on a shiny 996r;)
[Edited on 28-2-2006 by pedro]
Originally posted by pedro
Originally posted by Jon
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by pedro
i tape up my spedo
It's much easier just to shut your eyes ;)
He did that at the hairpin, then fell off:lol: i remember yo doing the same at donny on a shiny 996r;)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Nur nur nur nur nur!!!!
I never fell off mine either. I skillfully stopped, dismounted and the bike fell over :P
:(
Simon Reed
28-Feb-2006, 21:33
After a full morning session on a warm circuit with soft slicks I could take Coppice flat on the old 996
Perhaps,we could all do with some tuition,of the one,they call,jfp !!,after all,he's a legend,in his own lunchtime !
:lol:
then thirs was rocky;)then cartagena,then cadwell:roll:
Originally posted by TP
I honestly can't see how you could take it flat on a big bike - no way. A 996 or something like that, imagine the pace you'd be rocketing at Coppice with!
I can't remember exactly but I'd say the DD bikes would go round there around 100mph'ish? It was getting peaky in 5th with short gearing so I'd guess at 100-110'ish? DD riders, what do you reckon?
Getting a good drive out of Barn on the 996 would see you doing well in excess of 130mph I would have thought! Coppice at 130+mph? Any of us? I'd like to see that.
I agree. It had to be 100mph on the CB500. That was flat in 6th, and pretty much revving out on stock gearing. (Think they do about 110-115 if you have enough space).
I think I was going through there in 5th on the Tango Queen, but then I wasn't using all 6 gears even down Park Straight, so maybe I was going through Coppice in 4th?
i think jons fell off his chair:D
Simon Reed
28-Feb-2006, 21:40
We could run a poll pete,on whose fell off the most,little jon,or jfp,then present a trophy at the dsc trackday !
wadda yer say jon ?
:sing:
From what I remember on me 996, I was approaching in 5th and dabbing the brakes knocking back to 4th for the turn. I would've estimated easily upward of 120 before backing off.
Can't be saying what I get up to on the monnie cos Cadwell is about the only track I'm any good at (relative to the others!) so can't be risking losing the little advantage I have!
Simon Reed
28-Feb-2006, 21:49
Spy shots,jfp test's new brake/propultion system,on the beast !!
chris.p
28-Feb-2006, 21:49
Mmmm, when racing in F400, it was nearly flat out in 6th, down one & no brakes, must be 110-120mph I would guess, some would gear for totaly flat out in 5th & feather the throttle.
Chris.:burn:
when did jfp have a go on little jons wasp?:lol::P
Rattler
28-Feb-2006, 22:15
Originally posted by yeti
After a full morning session on a warm circuit with soft slicks I could take Coppice flat on the old 996. Took me most of the day to get the bottle, but it could be done.
Yeh right!!!! - I reckon you've shaken a few cells loose when you crashed at Charlies 1 on Sunday!!!! ;)
Mind you, I reckon you'd be carrying a lot of speed into Charlies if you were flat out at Coppice!!!! ;)
I've seen just over 110 on the clocks by the nasty hairpin before looking up, so 100-105 at the apex seems about right.
I'd be stunned if anyone outside of national racing can hold a 120bhp bike through there flat out (except certain "local heroes"). I'm sure that would be pushing 130+ through there. I know it's got a lot of positive camber, but 130mph through coppice is :o :o :o
As we're going to be there in March and October I don't suppose we're likely to see the sort of track temp/conditions that would give us the chance to have another crack at holding it pinned.
Rattler
28-Feb-2006, 22:42
Originally posted by ali
As we're going to be there in March and October I don't suppose we're likely to see the sort of track temp/conditions that would give us the chance to have another crack at holding it pinned.
Ah sod it, I'll give it a go in March!!!! ;)
Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by ali
As we're going to be there in March and October I don't suppose we're likely to see the sort of track temp/conditions that would give us the chance to have another crack at holding it pinned.
Ah sod it, I'll give it a go in March!!!! ;)
Best we pre-book the ambulance and no-one try and take Tim on lap one on the outside round coppice!
Rattler
28-Feb-2006, 23:08
Lap 1 is easy!!! Its lap 2 you'll have to worry about!!! ;)
Originally posted by pedro
then thirs was rocky;)then cartagena,then cadwell:roll:
Yeah and then Ali started racing:D
Harv748
28-Feb-2006, 23:24
Originally posted by Harv748
Just watched that video clip on my PC (I have them all saved...but don't know how to show them here as a link???).
The BSB boys take it after dropping down 3 gears, in 3rd at about 110mph.
[Edited on 27-2-2006 by Harv748]
Did everyone miss my first reply...BSB boys take this at approx 110 in third...fact...anyone within 10% of that should be walking DD this year, and straight into a factory team next year!!
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