Do we really need a DD forum?

[domski]

Without wanting to get fingers pointing at anyone (coz we've all had a go at some point - even me)

Wouldn't it be easier to remove the DD forum altogether? Or perhaps keep the DD section on the forum, but only for the RC to post up important instructions/developments and points etc.

I think the series will still work perfectly happily without it.

There are loads of other sections for die hard forum geeks to post in, and it seems that 90% of the hassle eminates from the DD section.

A big part of what makes the series so good, is the precise reason that it kicks off so much - we have a say in how it's run - it's the best and worse thing about the series.

We can still have a say on how it's run, but just not on the forum and in public.

Let's keep it to Pronto and emails.

Nobody actively goes out to upset anyone, including the sponsors, so if that's happening, then just nip it in the bud.

What do you think?

You can still chat about stuff, but it would be in U2U's or emails - big deal!!

[Tonio600]

I think you're somebody else who killed Domski and is using his computer :lol:

[Rattler]

Why pull the DD forum? All it needs is sensible responses without the need to get controversial?

I reckon that those DSC members not interested in DD would want DD chat kept away from the main areas???

Tim

[domski]

Don't argue with me or this will get personal :lol::lol::lol:

[Rattler]

Originally posted by domski
Don't argue with me or this will get personal :lol::lol::lol:

When you go to the cinema, do you talk back and argue with the actors on the screen? I somehow think you do!!!! ;)

[domski]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[antonye]

Yes we do.

There's lots of stuff that gets discussed in there besides all the whinging, bitching and arguing threads. Some of it is actually useful.

It's not the fault of the board that it is being misused.

[domski]

So what constructive stuff is talked about in the DD forum, that couldn't be talked about in the Monster or SS forum?

Surely that leaves official type stuff, which the RC can post - and lock.

Anything else is just gunna be arguing, coz it's not bike specific chat or anything important.

General chit chat can go anywhere.

Anything that resembles a moan at rules, just gets removed.

[antonye]

Stuff like how the best way to attach the sharks fin to your swingarm, or maybe a discussion about which battery is lightest? Things that while may be relevant to other forums are probably best kept in the DD one.

[skidlids]

I thought my DD diary was quite constructive with 104 entries/replies and 2550+ views

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=15043#pid216513

[domski]

I'm not saying everything is bad.

There is a lot of good info, and we've had some good fun and well mannered debates.

However, occasionally it goes haywire and all hell breaks loose.

It has been mentioned many times about keeping certain stuff off the forum, and I'm guilty of going off on one more than most, but if there is no forum to kick off in, then any problems are contained in a non-public place.

Don't get me wrong, I love the DD forum, but it gives me headaches as well.

I don't see how there is a problem with the 'useful' stuff crossing over into other areas of the board, and things like the riders diaries can go on the desmo due website which Phillc built for the very purpose (amongst other purposes).

I'm not saying that this should all happen, but it may be an option to stop people falling out or getting upset. The last thing we want is for the series to self destruct. Soon you'll have MT members not wanting to get involved coz of all the bitching, and then there'll be no point in having a DD forum anyway!

Saying that people just need to control themselves just isn't realistic - unfortunately, but I'm sure we'd all cope somehow!!

:)

[Paul James]

Originally posted by domski
Without wanting to get fingers pointing at anyone (coz we've all had a go at some point - even me)

Wouldn't it be easier to remove the DD forum altogether? Or perhaps keep the DD section on the forum, but only for the RC to post up important instructions/developments and points etc.

I think the series will still work perfectly happily without it.

There are loads of other sections for die hard forum geeks to post in, and it seems that 90% of the hassle eminates from the DD section.

A big part of what makes the series so good, is the precise reason that it kicks off so much - we have a say in how it's run - it's the best and worse thing about the series.

We can still have a say on how it's run, but just not on the forum and in public.

Let's keep it to Pronto and emails.

Nobody actively goes out to upset anyone, including the sponsors, so if that's happening, then just nip it in the bud.

What do you think?

You can still chat about stuff, but it would be in U2U's or emails - big deal!!

I can only assume from this that the change in your medication is finally working :lol::lol: Either that or someone else wrote it while you were out getting some more burgers on the grill.

[Mark]

Yeah, I'll do it now. I'll spend all day blocking, editing and removing every post about DD racing, call you all a bunch of knobs, and tell you to e mail your requests to the RC, because it's a conspiracy to not let all of you know what's going on. :frog:


(Has somone given me Dom's pills?)

[Dibble]

why not just stop the DD forum appearing on the "Todays Posts" list and then people like me would be less tempted to pop in with our wooden spoons ....

[weeksy2]

Personally i'd remove it and set-up a new one on the other blokes DD site. one away from the MT, away from the club and away from me :)

[Mark]

Originally posted by DIBBLE
why not just stop the DD forum appearing on the "Todays Posts" list and then people like me would be less tempted to pop in with our wooden spoons ....

I think we've tried to do this, and it can't be done.

Anyway, I like you're wooden spoon. It's nice in a weird way!

(i think i need some sleep)

[Edited on 3-3-2006 by Flanks]

[ziggi]

You people are in desperate need of a good 'kin RACE. All this will then be pointless and meaningless. I can see the posts now after the first DD session - "Oh how wonderful it all was" .. "My race report" etc etc. Too much pent up nervous competitive agression.

[Mark]

Originally posted by weeksy2
Personally i'd remove it and set-up a new one on the other blokes DD site. one away from the MT, away from the club and away from me :)

The there would be calls of censorship, lack of freedom of speech.

You know in men in black, that memory wiper, can i have one of those plz?

[Mark]

Oh, and one of those black suits, and the merc. ta.

[Tonio600]

Message original : weeksy2
Personally i'd remove it and set-up a new one on the other blokes DD site. one away from the MT, away from the club and away from me :)

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=30350&page=1#pid299246

[couchcommando]

Yes we do, and I can see the need for a non official one as well that isn't tied to the club :)

[Jools]

I must admit, that all the whinging and back biting on the DD forum has been a bit depressing of late. Sorry to have to say this, but as somebody who has bought up kids through their teenage years it reminded me a lot of their teenage squabbling. It doesn't reflect very well on the individuals involved, the message board or the club.

For all that, the demand in the club of late has been for openess and transparency in everything they do and I think we should keep it exactly where it is.

Another thing that DD racers often seem to forget that it's the 90% of club members who are not DD racers that make the series possible. Without us there would be no DSC and no series. However, the DD posts are often framed in such a way that the comments are addressed purely to other DD racers, as if the general DSC member has no right to be interested or make any comment.

[edited to say:] A perfect example is the post directly above this one from Couchcommando that was put up as I typed this reply [end of edit]

There are loads of people, like me, who will never race, either through lack of funds, family commitments, ill health or whatever. However, people like me are still intensely interested in DD. We are proud of it. We feel it is OUR series just as much as it is the racers series. We love following the various diaries and seeing the trials and tribulations that people go through to get a race ready bikes. We love going to the races when we can get there and we love following the championship tables.

So we need the DD forum to stay right where it is. We can be self selecting if we don't want to read any further into a thread that's derailed itself into bitching, but we don't want to see the DD spin off into it's own little enclave either (unless of course the DD racers want to spin off from the DSC altogether and form their own cosy little club).

Remember that we're your supporters and we need our fanzine.

[Edited on 3-3-2006 by Jools]

[Tonio600]

Message original : Jools
I must admit, that all the whinging and back biting on the DD forum has been a bit depressing of late. Sorry to have to say this, but as somebody who has bought up kids through their teenage years it reminded me a lot of their teenage squabbling. It doesn't reflect very well on the individuals involved, the message board or the club.

For all that, the demand in the club of late has been for openess and transparency in everything they do and I think we should keep it exactly where it is.

Another thing that DD racers often seem to forget that it's the 90% of club members who are not DD racers that make the series possible. Without us there would be no DSC and no series. However, the DD posts are often framed in such a way that the comments are addressed purely to other DD racers, as if the general DSC member has no right to be interested or make any comment.

[edited to say:] A perfect example is the post directly above this one from Couchcommando that was put up as I typed this reply [end of edit]

There are loads of people, like me, who will never race, either through lack of funds, family commitments, ill health or whatever. However, people like me are still intensely interested in DD. We are proud of it. We feel it is OUR series just as much as it is the racers series. We love following the various diaries and seeing the trials and tribulations that people go through to get a race ready bikes. We love going to the races when we can get there and we love following the championship tables.

So we need the DD forum to stay right where it is. We can be self selecting if we don't want to read any further into a thread that's derailed itself into bitching, but we don't want to see the DD spin off into it's own little enclave either (unless of course the DD racers want to spin off from the DSC altogether and form their own cosy little club).

Remember that we're your supporters and we need our fanzine.

[Edited on 3-3-2006 by Jools]

I do agree with you Jools. DD is the club series, so it's its members series. And the DD public message board must stay here, it's needed.

But I also think that not everything can be said on the message board, because each of us represents the club and so each of us must do it well... But sometimes things must be said when people are not happy. So that's why I think it can be usefull if, while using the messageboard for all nice things about DD (bike prep, meeting reports, etc...), the racers are allowed to "virtually" meet somewhere else where they could express exactly what they think or need to express without needing to beware about what people are going to think when reading it (Domski's style :lol: )...

Just like you I love Ducatis.
Just like you I love the DSC.
Just like you I love the DD series.
But not like you it's costing me a fortune, so there may be some topics on which, with all the respect I owe you, I will prefer to have the opinion of other people who are putting a lot of money in it as they may understand me better.

I really hope not to have offended anybody here. I'm sure the can of worms is well closed at the bottom of the bin...

[Edité le 3-3-2006 par Tonio600]

[domski]

Trust the French to come in and stir it all up again :smug:

:lol::lol::lol:

[twpd]

The DD forum is a great asset. It's like any other talking shop, it can get a bit heated at times but, there's lots of useful info in there - I find it good for ideas for my 800ss racers cos what you guys try is directly relevant to my bikes.

[Tonio600]

Message original : domski
Trust the French to come in and stir it all up again :smug:

:lol::lol::lol:

Trust Domski to start it all :lol: