Combined Gird???

[multi600]

So where did the post go about the combined grid at Castle Combe:puzzled: I had just put up a reply and was then told I was not allowed to view this post and thrown out and now it's gone.

[domski]

That must mean we get 4 races then.

Suits me :P

[ChrisBushell]

To ensure that you get 4 races, we will need to have at least 25 entered in each class.

You have been warned!

[domski]

How about practice AND qualifying then Chris?

If we have a combined grid, will be racing across 2 days, or just one day?

I don't mind a combined grid, but I can see how the 583 boys may be a bit miffed.

[fil2]

there are at least 4 entrants with two bikes who intended to enter both classes at Castle coombe.?

[Andy C]

I thought the time table was for seperate grids, 4 races over 2 days.

[Jools]

Combined Gird ????

Is this some sort of bizarre Wiltshire ritual...

"Today, down at Castle Coombe in darkest Wiltshire we're going to witness a combined girding of loins"

:P:P:P

[fil2]

Originally posted by Andy C
I thought the time table was for seperate grids, 4 races over 2 days.

That was prelimanary and subject to change

:borg:

[domski]

It's changed all right :(

[fil2]

Originally posted by domski
It's changed all right :(

change is goooooooooooooooood............................... .....


:biaggi:

[domski]

You on the beast then?

[phil_h]

So where are you guys looking to find out this info ???

[domski]

Fil2 spoke to Jim Parker.

We need to get 25 in each class to get our own grids.

[Paul James]

Originally posted by domski
Fil2 spoke to Jim Parker.

We need to get 25 in each class to get our own grids.

That was the idea, bear in mind they can get 46 on the grid at CC !!!

[NBs996]

But they've not got our entries in yet guys... surely we'll get at least 25 on each grid for such a high profile meeting?

Me thinks we'd best encourage people to enter.

[phil_h]

Originally posted by domski
How about practice AND qualifying then Chris?

If we have a combined grid, will be racing across 2 days, or just one day?

I don't mind a combined grid, but I can see how the 583 boys may be a bit miffed.

Actually, I think quite a few 620 bods would be miffed if fil2 took his 583 out and trounced them :D

[domski]

He doesn't need to take his 583 out.

He's got a beast in his garage now :o

:D

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by NBs996
But they've not got our entries in yet guys..

Thats what I was thinking - how can they know ? Won't they have to give us 2 slots if there are more than the stated 46 on the grid ?

Or will we be doing the qualifyer and leftovers again ? :puzzled:

[domski]

JP was going on Brands entry figures.

[ericthered40]

Originally posted by phil_h
Originally posted by domski
How about practice AND qualifying then Chris?

If we have a combined grid, will be racing across 2 days, or just one day?

I don't mind a combined grid, but I can see how the 583 boys may be a bit miffed.

Actually, I think quite a few 620 bods would be miffed if fil2 took his 583 out and trounced them :D



I'v seen fil2's beast and a fine beast it is. :o

[Chris Wood]

I'll enter Class A on my 583....

Just to make up the numbers:devil: of course!

[fil2]

Originally posted by Chris Wood
I'll enter Class A on my 583....

Just to make up the numbers:devil: of course!

now there is a plan....................... ;)

[Griff 64]

I would be happy to enter class A on my 583 if it helps to get seperate grids and no one objects re warm tyres blah,blah,blah,blah:)etc

[Edited on 28-4-2006 by Griff 64]

[couchcommando]

I'll enter class b on my 620 just to make numbers up, if other 620 riders want to make numbers up we could start at the back of the grid ?

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by Chris Wood
I'll enter Class A on my 583....

Just to make up the numbers:devil: of course!

bugger off stick to your own class.

if im going to get shafted by all the 583's we may as well have 1 grid! :lol::lol::lol:

[fil2]

Originally posted by couchcommando
I'll enter class b on my 620 just to make numbers up, if other 620 riders want to make numbers up we could start at the back of the grid ?

I dont agree with that one bit. :borg:

[fil2]

Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by Chris Wood
I'll enter Class A on my 583....

Just to make up the numbers:devil: of course!

bugger off stick to your own class.

if im going to get shafted by all the 583's we may as well have 1 grid! :lol::lol::lol:

exactly....said in jest im sure but rings true..if some 620 riders are going to enter 583 on a 583 then we may as well battle them on a combined grid.

[couchcommando]

That's alright but if we don't have the numbers in our classes we'll all be on one grid anyway.
I guess if we don't have the numbers mixing grids would be our only option to get us 4 races, otherwise we will be put on a mixed grid of 2 races by NE.
It's up to us to get all who signed up for the series out there racing :)

[multi600]

Small point I know but no one can enter until we get the paper work from New Era can we:saint: I 'm sure we will make 25 on each grid at such a big meeting.

Mike

[fil2]

Originally posted by multi600
Small point I know but no one can enter until we get the paper work from New Era can we:saint: I 'm sure we will make 25 on each grid at such a big meeting.

Mike

exactly...................as i understood it, we had at least 30 in each class registered at the start of the year...so 27 in each should be a figure the DD can achieve...!

[phoenix n max]

Would all this talk of a combined grid put some people off from entering ?

[Tonio600]

Message original : fil2
Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by Chris Wood
I'll enter Class A on my 583....

Just to make up the numbers:devil: of course!

bugger off stick to your own class.

if im going to get shafted by all the 583's we may as well have 1 grid! :lol::lol::lol:

exactly....said in jest im sure but rings true..if some 620 riders are going to enter 583 on a 583 then we may as well battle them on a combined grid.

I can see a difference between one or two 620 riders entering the B class and the full 620 squad :)

But actually I don't care, the more we are, the funnier it will be :lol:

[Tonio600]

Message original : fil2
Originally posted by couchcommando
I'll enter class b on my 620 just to make numbers up, if other 620 riders want to make numbers up we could start at the back of the grid ?

I dont agree with that one bit. :borg:

Neither do I. 620 racers on 583 ok, but not on 620. Never liked the feeling of being a mobile chicane :lol:

[dickieducati]

well speed up then.

im going to be a mobile chicane for the likes of phil etc

[Scooter916]

I should be entering both classes at castle coombe. The 620 is getting there.
Glyn

[Chris Wood]

Simple,

Class A does not meet the capacity rules for Class B.

As a club, surely we can run 583's as required to make up a full grid in Class A, only if required.

Not for points of course! If there are a number of class B runners willing to step up it's good for the DD series.

IMHO

[Tonio600]

Message original : dickieducati
well speed up then.


can't be fast with slow people in front of me, I deffo need to learn how to overtake ;)

(how do you call that? mind games? :lol: )

[TP]

If someone had a 583 I could ride I'd enter the 583 race to bolster the numbers.

I think I can afford that much ...

[madcowracing41]

Originally posted by phoenix n max
Would all this talk of a combined grid put some people off from entering ?


I started racing in the 583cc class this year I have met a lot of the riders and teams what a fantastic bunch
But as to the organisation of the racing what a shambles
Cadwell we are told before we even get there we are being mixed with other grids and we mite loose
Track time depending on the amount of crashes on the day talked to some other racers in the other classes
They didn’t get told this they got what they paid for.

Brands we are sent out for practice 600-620cc together not what we paid for again at least we got the
Racing in are own classes

Now cadwell we are getting told that we will get combined races oh if the numbers are to low £50 bet we end up
On the same grid

Maybe its time to take are hard earned money somewhere ells !!!!

[psychlist]

If time permits I'd be happy to ride my 583 in class A (no points), at least Butch and MW would get a race then :P

[AK]

OK, so it looks like 46 max on the grid there then.

so, if 49+ are entered, are we going to get 2 different class races?

if not this could be a bit of a question: are 3+ people going to miss out the combined only grid races, after the qualifying session then? - in which case HOW is this going to be sorted out if any one of those 3+ theoretic people have already missed out on say, Cadwell/Brands/Assen????

not a gripe with the RC, but a very valid question that needs addressing asap:)

[Rattler]

Lets make this a problem!!!
At the moment we are not getting 46+ DD bikes on the grids.

Looking at the results, it seems that at Brands we had 21 x 620s on the grid and 23 x 583s.

If you were New Era what would you do?

We'll do well to make a full grid if we all turn up.

You're asking for contingency for a situation that seems unlikely to happen. Unless you know of another 6+ riders to get past your quoted 49+ ????

It seems that we can get one full grid and it will make a great spectacle.

Tim

[domski]

Is there anything stopping the 583's entering Class A at the moment?

If not, then they should pull their finger out and enter both classes on their 583's.

Then NE can't deny a second grid.

Also means that the 'novice' class get extra tracktime (cost of £50) and they may learn something too?

Maybe :eureka:

[Rattler]

Just because we might put out 50+ riders doesn't mean we will automatically get two grids - its a really big event for New Era, they want a spectacle for the big crowd and a full DD grid is better than 2 half filled ones.


It would be nice to get some additional practice in place of the 2 races - perhaps???? ;)

Tim

[domski]

I agree with that.

If you can pull it off.

Also how about having it all on one day (like Sunday) ;)

[skidlids]

Originally posted by domski
Is there anything stopping the 583's entering Class A at the moment?

If not, then they should pull their finger out and enter both classes on their 583's.

Then NE can't deny a second grid.

Also means that the 'novice' class get extra tracktime (cost of £50) and they may learn something too?

Maybe :eureka:

As I am now on my second season with my 583 having only carried out oil and filter changes to it, I don't intend putting more race miles on it at extra entry costs just to make up the numbers to have the same problems I would if we ran races with a mixed grid.
It may only be £50 for the extra class. but do that at a few more meets and I may as well have spent the money on going to Assen and for all I know that could make Castle Combe entry fee near to £200.
Escaulated costs is not going to encourage others to sign up to the series, I suspect some didn't turn up at Brands because they committed their money to doing Assen.

At Cadwell we put out 22 Class A bikes and 24 Class B bikes at Brands it was one less for each class. So we started with 46 and have since seen a reduction so to New Era it looks like they only need to allow for one full grid at Castle Combe and I can't see that changing, but a practice and a race on each day would be nice

[AK]

Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)

[Scooter916]

Originally posted by AK
Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)
LOL time for a POLL
:frog:

[AK]

Originally posted by Scooter916
Originally posted by AK
Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)
LOL time for a POLL
:frog:

:P:P

maybe those with 2 bikes shouldnt be allowed to enter:P
so everyone can get the chance to make the grid:P:P

[Dominic Clegg]

im not pleasesed about sharing a grid but im sure the MT are working hard to solve the problem.
it looks like its going to be up to us to get more people on the grid, im talking to a few of my friends and im sure there members in the club that are thinking about it if we can get 6 more riders signed up we be fine (i think).
if they are going to put us on one grid lets try and get something out of it say okay put us on one grid but we want a untime and a time practice.

i know a few of you have got two bikes now so cant we make the numbers up that way (if can get a gap between races)

im not sure what the deal is with new era. is that we only get two grids is we can put 25 on each grid?

just some ideas

[Scooter916]

Originally posted by AK
Originally posted by Scooter916
Originally posted by AK
Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)
LOL time for a POLL
:frog:

:P:P

maybe those with 2 bikes shouldnt be allowed to enter:P
so everyone can get the chance to make the grid:P:P
HMMM dont quite get that one, cos if there is only one grid Im hardly going to ride both bikes am I.:lol::lol::lol:

[AK]

Originally posted by Scooter916
Originally posted by AK
Originally posted by Scooter916
Originally posted by AK
Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)
LOL time for a POLL
:frog:

:P:P

maybe those with 2 bikes shouldnt be allowed to enter:P
so everyone can get the chance to make the grid:P:P
HMMM dont quite get that one, cos if there is only one grid Im hardly going to ride both bikes am I.:lol::lol::lol:

the way you ride glynn nothing would suprise me:P:lol::lol:

[WeeJohnyB]

If you get less that the grid total (46?), then I'd go for the option of sharing a grid with other DD'ers, otherwise, if say group A get a grid of their own and group B are under 25, (and you therefore don't have the ammo to shoot at Jim P), then you WILL be mixed in with other classes to make up a full grid, fact!!! it's money and filling grids, especially at such a big event for New Era - is this the one where the big boys come out for a play, if so, the first year they did it, there were circa 10,000 people watching or something, (and I got my first ever race winner trophy), so they won't want half empty grids and they'll need to pack everyone on to give the crowd something to watch.

WeeJohnyB

[skidlids]

If you count the DUK bike and the riders with a entry in each class we have a total of 57, a couple have possibly dropped out but could possibly be replaced by others wishing to enter a 2nd class.
at Cadwell 11 decided not to enter, maybe because the season started to soon for them, at Brands 13 didn't enter can't be for the same reason.
I do know that if I had my entry form for Castle Combe here now I would be filling it in and sending it off, would that be true of everybody else on the list below

Andy Johnson
Nick Boustead
Tony Hathaway
Ali Bisson
Dickie Thirkettle
Ian Leah
Tim Howard
Tim Howard
Roberto Bernini
Jed Atack
Duncan Abbott
Phil Harris
Phil Harris
Kyle Hinton
Eric Howe
Antony Espindola
Paul Towsey
Tony Perrin
Ducati UK
Geoff Spencer
Peter Yates
David Pratt
Paul Mugridge
Grahame Butcher
Mike Belcher
Glenn Graham
David Ainscough
Paul Payne
Paul Payne
Duncan Moore
Dominic Cann
Paul Martin
Max Gidney
Glyn Hinsley
Lin Jones
Chris Wood
Phil Huntley
Dominic Clegg
Franco Nisco
Adam Ferguson
Murray Brown
Stuart Smith
Kieran Morris
Paul Sutliff
Kevin Mooney
Mark Foskett
Kevin Ellis
Kevin Palmer
Andrew Griffiths
Lucie Stone
Andy Challis
Richard Hathaway
Antoine Josserand
Kyle Bennett
Mike Atack
Andy Roberts
Doug Clemmans

[Dominic Clegg]

I do know that if I had my entry form for Castle Combe here now I would be filling it in and sending it off, would that be true of everybody else on the list below

i would

[multi600]

I would

[skidlids]

As would the majority that have taken part in the two rounds already run, but how about the others that have done only one round or even none

So far we have 30 point scorers in Class B (28 bikes, 30 riders) and 25 in Class A, so a total of 53 bikes have raced so far over two meetings.

IF we have a single grid of 46 at CC split equally between the two classes then it looks like 7 class B riders will lose out and 2 class A riders, is the DUK bike to be entered, if not then only one class A rider stands to lose out.

[Tonio600]

Actually I'd fancy a practice run in the class A on my 620... :eureka:

[fil2]

if i enter the 583 and the 620 in the hope its two grids but then becomes a combined grid . !!! what happens to my entry in 620..

[Paul James]

Originally posted by WeeJohnyB
If you get less that the grid total (46?), then I'd go for the option of sharing a grid with other DD'ers, otherwise, if say group A get a grid of their own and group B are under 25, (and you therefore don't have the ammo to shoot at Jim P), then you WILL be mixed in with other classes to make up a full grid, fact!!! it's money and filling grids, especially at such a big event for New Era - is this the one where the big boys come out for a play, if so, the first year they did it, there were circa 10,000 people watching or something, (and I got my first ever race winner trophy), so they won't want half empty grids and they'll need to pack everyone on to give the crowd something to watch.

WeeJohnyB

New Era is a commercial organisation that needs to at least break even over the year. It isn't a club like ours run by philanthropic volunteers who don't get paid.

The Casle Coombe meeting is a prestigious event with international races taking place and the likelihood of a large crowd being in attendance.

The grid at this event can take 46 solo bikes so if you had to hire the circuit at prime time and pay for all the services what would you do ?

I'd want to see full grids with interesting racing and would negotiate the best options for all concerned (speaking as a business man).

It must be like juggling jelly to sort it all out but at least we can put our case forward from the perspective of a cohesive club rather than a bunch of individuals (if that is allowed to happen of course).

Both the Cadwell and Brands Hatch rounds were discussed at length with New Era, who listened to our points and came to the best compromise we could agree.

At Cadwell we sorted a shambles of mixed practice into races for each class, albeit with H*nda's included but at least it was a better and more workable compromise than the original offer.

At Brands we negotiated single grids and four longer races to make up for Cadwell in some part, these weren't full grids but on that occasion no other bikes were put in with ours.

You seriously have to realise that at some events there is a great interest in entering so we need to have the ability to negotiate at each round (as I've already clearly stated) to get the best out of the series.

Don't get me wrong; I do appreciate that it's your money being spent on entering but try to give us some space to work with New Era so that a workable solution can be arrived at.

That's how club racing in the UK works, it has to ideally make money for the promoters and at the very least not make a massive loss.

[skidlids]

Originally posted by fil2
if i enter the 583 and the 620 in the hope its two grids but then becomes a combined grid . !!! what happens to my entry in 620..

On the entry form there will only be provision for you to enter two races not four, you could always ride the 583 in one race and the 620 in the other.
You can only enter what is on the entry regs when we get them

[phoenix n max]

Anyone know which is which ?



PROVISIONAL EVENT AND TIMETABLE

SATURDAY

08.45 – 09.00 Untimed Practice ACU STAR – Formula 125
09.08 – 09.53 Untimed Practice SUPERBIKES
10.00 – 10.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 1st Qualifying
10.40 – 10.55 Untimed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
11.00 – 11.15 Untimed Practice ACU STAR – 125cc Grand Prix
11.20 – 11.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES - 1st Qualifying
12.00 – 12.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 2nd Qualifying
12.40 – 12.55 Timed Practice Bracken KTM 660
13.00 – 13.15 Timed Practice Ducati Due
13.15 – 13.30 Timed Practice Ducati Desmo

PAUSE (Classic Parade 6 Laps)

14.15 – 14.30 Timed Practice ACU STAR - Formula 125
14.37 – 14.52 Timed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
15.00 – 15.15 Timed Practice ACU STAR – 125cc Grand Prix
15.20 – 15.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES – 2nd Qualifying
16.00 – 16.30 Race 1 FIM WORLD SIDECAR Sprint 10 Laps
16.40 – 17.05 Race 2 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
17.10 – 17.35 Race 3 Ducati Due - 8 Laps

SUNDAY

08.45 – 08.55 Untimed Practice Solos at Organisers discretion
09.00 – 09.28 Race 4 Ducati Desmo 8 Laps
09.35 – 10.00 Untimed Warm-Up SUPERBIKES
10.10 – 10.25 Untimed Warm-Up SIDECARS
10.35 – 11.00 Race 5 Ducati Due 8 Laps
11.05 – 11.35 Race 6 ACU STAR Formula 125cc 10 Laps
11.45 – 12.15 Race 7 ACU STAR Junior Superstock 12 Laps

PAUSE (Air Show - Superbike Riders Circuit Tour - Pit Lane Walkabouts)

13.00 – 13.30 Race 8 ACU STAR 125cc Grand Prix 10 Laps
13.40 – 14.20 Race 9 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
14.30 - 15.30 Race 10 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SIDECARS 22 Laps
15.40 – 16.05 Race 11 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
16.15 – 16.55 Race 12 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
17.05 – 17.30 Race 13 Ducati Desmo 8 Laps

[uncledunnie]

I'll definately be at CC having missed the first 3 races.

Personally I don't mind the mixed A/B class grid, we did it last year without too many issues, in fact I reckon it would be a riot.

I'd much rather be qualifying with the Aldi boys (and girls) than the 125's we were put out with last year ;)

I realise that this is not what was anticipated but I do think that it would make for some entertaining racing never the less.

My only "condition" would be that in return for a mixed grid practice/qually/racing would all be on one day.

[TP]

I'll be entering no matter what happens - because I want to race! The bug has bitten again ..

583's, 620's ...we're all in the same club so lets get amongst it and have some good racing! We get 8 lap races at CC so that will be HUGE amounts of fun! In front of shedloads of people! How good does it get as our series is welcomed back from Assen with the Superbike Grand National event!

There are a lot of club racers around the place jealous of what we have with racing at Assen and the Grand National. We've got a lot to be proud of I think!

[fil2]

Originally posted by TP
I'll be entering no matter what happens - because I want to race! The bug has bitten again ..

583's, 620's ...we're all in the same club so lets get amongst it and have some good racing! We get 8 lap races at CC so that will be HUGE amounts of fun! In front of shedloads of people! How good does it get as our series is welcomed back from Assen with the Superbike Grand National event!

There are a lot of club racers around the place jealous of what we have with racing at Assen and the Grand National. We've got a lot to be proud of I think!

Wise words indeed tony.............................................. . :borg:

have u been assimulated.?

[TP]

Originally posted by fil2
Wise words indeed tony.............................................. . :borg:

have u been assimulated.?

Resistance is futile ;)

[Chris Wood]

Cadwell
Brands - (Marathon)
Assen
Castle Coombe

= Pot noodle horn:D

[TP]

Originally posted by Chris Wood
Cadwell
Brands - (Marathon)
Assen
Castle Coombe

= Pot noodle horn:D

:lol: :D