Castle Coombe

[CK]

Flyer here:

http://www.neweramcc.org/club/pdf/castle-combe-ad-2006.pdf

:)

[skidlids]

Just about to post the same, 15mins practice and two 8 lap races

[paynep]

Hmm, it says Desmo Due Championships plural - but I assume that means a combined grid?

If so, anyone wanna ride on a 620SS ??

[fil2]

" trophies to first three "

Just like ASSEN .........................Nothing for the 583...................

[dickieducati]

i thought there was at assen im sure chris had one?

[CK]

46 on the grid there Paul:(
so if all 50+ DD entrants did turn out then qualifying to get on the grid will be a reality for some

[fil2]

Originally posted by dickieducati
i thought there was at assen im sure chris had one?

there was per class........but not overall..only the top 3 got the ASSEN trophy...seems as though CC is the same....no great shakes but its not likely any 583 is gonna get a race top 3......

on a combined grid the 583's suffer more than the 620's

imho

[fil2]

Originally posted by CK
46 on the grid there Paul:(
so if all 50+ DD entrants did turn out then qualifying to get on the grid will be a reality for some

it certainly will.....................and as its a combined grid..the 583 riders will loose out...cant see them splitting the qually times with engine capacity in mind can you.?..



[Edited on 10-5-2006 by fil2]

[phil_h]

Any idea if the races are on the same day ?

[skidlids]

Surely if its a combined grid it should be 23 grid places per class, or if 55% of the entrants are Class B and 45% Class A maybe the grid should be split accordingly

[fil2]

Originally posted by skidlids
Surely if its a combined grid it should be 23 grid places per class, or if 55% of the entrants are Class B and 45% Class A maybe the grid should be split accordingly

so based on get yer entries in first then.?

[phoenix n max]

This single grid is becoming a habit. Shame really.

[skidlids]

Originally posted by fil2
so based on get yer entries in first then.?

Not at all, so far we have had 30 riders in Class B and 24 in Class A, including Geoff so there is a higher percentage of Class B riders and maybe the grid should reflect this. But I thin 23/23 is the obvious way and if Class A has only 22 entrants then it would be 22/24.
Is the DUK bike expected to be there

[psychlist]

Originally posted by phoenix n max
This single grid is becoming a habit. Shame really.

It's a ruse to kill off the 583's :P

We're doomed, I tell ya, we're dooooooOOOOooomed! :lol:

[phoenix n max]

Castle Dooooooooooomed ?

[Edited on 10-5-2006 by phoenix n max]

[fil2]

Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
so based on get yer entries in first then.?

Not at all, so far we have had 30 riders in Class B and 24 in Class A, including Geoff so there is a higher percentage of Class B riders and maybe the grid should reflect this. But I thin 23/23 is the obvious way and if Class A has only 22 entrants then it would be 22/24.
Is the DUK bike expected to be there

what happens to those that dont make the grid.?

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
so based on get yer entries in first then.?

Not at all, so far we have had 30 riders in Class B and 24 in Class A, including Geoff so there is a higher percentage of Class B riders and maybe the grid should reflect this. But I thin 23/23 is the obvious way and if Class A has only 22 entrants then it would be 22/24.
Is the DUK bike expected to be there

what happens to those that dont make the grid.?

I get to watch ;)

[Dominic Clegg]

i dont real know whats happening so just fill me in when we got a plan. but would having split starts do it. then when the 620 have gone we could line up in there place and go.

[domski]

Don't forget that New Era don't provide the trophies, so the top 3 in each class will still get there trophies as normal.

Whether the grid is split with a delayed start, who knows, but I'm sure NE would look into it if asked (after all they did it at Cadwell)

[ChrisBushell]

I have spoken to Paul James this morning and just come off the phone to New Era.

Jim is not in until tomorrow and nothing is currently set in concreate, so as usual you are waisting your time till we hear back from him. Obviously the more numbers we put on the grids, the better the chance of two grids.

Once we have heard back we will be in touch through the normal route.

[skidlids]

Chris we can only enter the races we get on the entry regs so if there are only two races for DD those with two bikes will not be able to use both so can only enter one and then the numbers are automatically less than if we get four races to enter.
And if it does come down to only one grid of 46 then we need to be able to look at what happens if the entry is over subscribed and it comes down to quallifying with some riders not getting into the DD race.
As riders rep I need to know what the riders views are so I see no harm in discussing it openly.
then once New Era let us know what is happening we can sort out the best way forward.
I'm sure it will come up in conversation at the Oxon \ Berks night out this evening, its already getting discussed in phone calls, U2Us etc again its the lack of concreate information that keeps these discussions going. so the sooner New era let us know whats happening the better for everyone

[Paul James]

Originally posted by skidlids
Chris we can only enter the races we get on the entry regs so if there are only two races for DD those with two bikes will not be able to use both so can only enter one and then the numbers are automatically less than if we get four races to enter.
And if it does come down to only one grid of 46 then we need to be able to look at what happens if the entry is over subscribed and it comes down to quallifying with some riders not getting into the DD race.
As riders rep I need to know what the riders views are so I see no harm in discussing it openly.
then once New Era let us know what is happening we can sort out the best way forward.
I'm sure it will come up in conversation at the Oxon \ Berks night out this evening, its already getting discussed in phone calls, U2Us etc again its the lack of concreate information that keeps these discussions going. so the sooner New era let us know whats happening the better for everyone

Thats good news Skids, biggest problem I'm faced with sorting it out with New Era is knowing what the true numbers are. Once we know that we've a better chance of sorting the grid situation so please try to get as many riders commited to the event as possible. It would be handy to have a list of entrants, ideally an email from them to confirm they are riding once they send in their New Era application.

Not all the riders seem to use their emails so that isn't easy to sort out either.

It's a way off yet so don't despair, we'll get the best deal we can negotiate, as always.

[phil_h]

Originally posted by phil_h
Any idea if the races are on the same day ?

If its one grid and one race per day, I won't be entering.
It just isnt worth the time and cost.

If its one grid and 2 races on one day, I will certainly still consider it, but if it looks like being oversubscribed, I'd rather be considered a reserve in advance, cos I really cant be bothered with all the hassle of prep and qualifying only to not get a ride at all.

So, with the way New Era are playing the lets-make-up-our-minds-at-the-last-minute-game, it certainly looks like my 2 entries are not on the cards.

This is not turning out to be the simple racing series I thought it would be.

[phil_h]

Originally posted by Paul James
It's a way off yet

Some of us like to now what's happening sooner than the week before you know :lol:
I've had my crmc and vmcc entry forms for the whole season since march :P

[dickieducati]

Originally posted by phil_h
Originally posted by phil_h
Any idea if the races are on the same day ?

If its one grid and one race per day, I won't be entering.
It just isnt worth the time and cost.

If its one grid and 2 races on one day, I will certainly still consider it, but if it looks like being oversubscribed, I'd rather be considered a reserve in advance, cos I really cant be bothered with all the hassle of prep and qualifying only to not get a ride at all.

So, with the way New Era are playing the lets-make-up-our-minds-at-the-last-minute-game, it certainly looks like my 2 entries are not on the cards.

This is not turning out to be the simple racing series I thought it would be.

well it is simple really you send off the forms and race in the races you get. its a big meeting and i would have thought well worth going even if its 2 races on 2 days in a combined grid. i know its not ideal but should be a cracking meeting with the superbikes there too..

[Tonio600]

As said in my email to the RC, if mixed grids then I'll enter only 583. Otherwise I'll enter both classes, it may help making the numbers. And I need tracktime.

[couchcommando]

Originally posted by Quasimodo
Thank your lucky stars we got two grids to start with, if you'd all been lumped together then the 583's would never stand a chance of "qualifying" at CC against the 620's. At least this way we should see a fair split in grid numbers for the 620's and the 583's.
Still feel sad that some of my friends may pay their entry, make the long journey to turn up, give their best in "qualifying" and then not get a race slot :barfy:

Plenty of 583's would qually against 620's or have you been watching a different series to me this year ?

[fil2]

Originally posted by Quasimodo
Originally posted by couchcommando
Originally posted by Quasimodo
Thank your lucky stars we got two grids to start with, if you'd all been lumped together then the 583's would never stand a chance of "qualifying" at CC against the 620's. At least this way we should see a fair split in grid numbers for the 620's and the 583's.
Still feel sad that some of my friends may pay their entry, make the long journey to turn up, give their best in "qualifying" and then not get a race slot :barfy:

Plenty of 583's would qually against 620's or have you been watching a different series to me this year ?

A fair few would qually no doubt, but I bet the far greater proportion would be 620's Tony :o

On a combined grid the 583's always loose out.....we get the rough end of the stick.....not moaning but its fact....

Phil

[domski]

Stop moaning :smug:

[Fastfasulli]

Originally posted by Paul James
Originally posted by skidlids
Chris we can only enter the races we get on the entry regs so if there are only two races for DD those with two bikes will not be able to use both so can only enter one and then the numbers are automatically less than if we get four races to enter.
And if it does come down to only one grid of 46 then we need to be able to look at what happens if the entry is over subscribed and it comes down to quallifying with some riders not getting into the DD race.
As riders rep I need to know what the riders views are so I see no harm in discussing it openly.
then once New Era let us know what is happening we can sort out the best way forward.
I'm sure it will come up in conversation at the Oxon \ Berks night out this evening, its already getting discussed in phone calls, U2Us etc again its the lack of concreate information that keeps these discussions going. so the sooner New era let us know whats happening the better for everyone

Thats good news Skids, biggest problem I'm faced with sorting it out with New Era is knowing what the true numbers are. Once we know that we've a better chance of sorting the grid situation so please try to get as many riders commited to the event as possible. It would be handy to have a list of entrants, ideally an email from them to confirm they are riding once they send in their New Era application.

Not all the riders seem to use their emails so that isn't easy to sort out either.

It's a way off yet so don't despair, we'll get the best deal we can negotiate, as always.


I intended to race at CC in the 583 grid. So that's one on your list Bike 24. I really don't mind racing in a combined grid but I do mind not qualifying and therefore not racing (I am missing a big family event to be there and half of my wife's family who come from that neck of the woods are planning to come watch) so if there is a possibility that i won't race I definitely won't enter, if that all makes sense.

the sooner it can be sorted out the better as far as i am concerned.

If i can afford it I would go Tonio's way and enter both 620 and 583 to bump the grids up.

Franco

[Chris Wood]

I'm in for 583's.

Provisional for 620's if required to make up numbers, but will start at the back, if at all in the races.

Might be worth considering for more tracktime, but to not mess with anyone else's race.

[Fastfasulli]

Originally posted by Fastfasulli
Originally posted by Paul James
Originally posted by skidlids
Chris we can only enter the races we get on the entry regs so if there are only two races for DD those with two bikes will not be able to use both so can only enter one and then the numbers are automatically less than if we get four races to enter.
And if it does come down to only one grid of 46 then we need to be able to look at what happens if the entry is over subscribed and it comes down to quallifying with some riders not getting into the DD race.
As riders rep I need to know what the riders views are so I see no harm in discussing it openly.
then once New Era let us know what is happening we can sort out the best way forward.
I'm sure it will come up in conversation at the Oxon \ Berks night out this evening, its already getting discussed in phone calls, U2Us etc again its the lack of concreate information that keeps these discussions going. so the sooner New era let us know whats happening the better for everyone

Thats good news Skids, biggest problem I'm faced with sorting it out with New Era is knowing what the true numbers are. Once we know that we've a better chance of sorting the grid situation so please try to get as many riders commited to the event as possible. It would be handy to have a list of entrants, ideally an email from them to confirm they are riding once they send in their New Era application.

Not all the riders seem to use their emails so that isn't easy to sort out either.

It's a way off yet so don't despair, we'll get the best deal we can negotiate, as always.


I intended to race at CC in the 583 grid. So that's one on your list Bike 24. I really don't mind racing in a combined grid but I do mind not qualifying and therefore not racing (I am missing a big family event to be there and half of my wife's family who come from that neck of the woods are planning to come watch) so if there is a possibility that i won't race I definitely won't enter, if that all makes sense.

the sooner it can be sorted out the better as far as i am concerned.

If i can afford it I would go Tonio's way and enter both 620 and 583 to bump the grids up.

Franco

PS - Don't mean to sound negative - i have been really looking forward to this:)

[ChrisBushell]

Boys

Stop speculating, the RC are on this issue. We need everyone to respond to the e-mail theat went out this morning and then we will deal with New Era and advise back

[Paul James]

Following discussion with the riders reps it was decided to ask ALL riders for their views on this. It isn't ideal to have two combined races but whichever way you cut it we just don't have the numbers to force the issue on grid size. If we could fill two seperate grids there would be no problem.

It will be up to the riders to vote on this and lets get it sorted.

We negotiate round by round with New Era so that the best option is arrived at each time, Castle Coombe is a big event with high running costs for the organisers so they do need to recoup those costs by filling grids.

On the point of 583 riders getting a raw deal over 620's a couple of points: At Assen the Dutch club generously donated us three extra trophies which they wanted to go to the first three finishers, their generosity, their choice. That said I was able to arrange it that Pierre Terblanche presented the first three finishers in BOTH classes with their trophies at the same time on the GP rostrum. Thought that would help to make the event even more special for the riders and most I spoke to agreed. It wasn't easy for the Dutch club to sort at the end of the race but I listed out the two classes and explained it was a 2 class race, they kindly agreed to sort it for us and all went well (I thought ??).

The RC now has the riders reps on board and believe it or not we do communicate regularly to reach the best possible solution to each situation as it arises. I'm sure they will confirm that to anyone still doubting the organisation.

[Chris Wood]

Good work Paul,

Agree with all above, whilst we still have influence over our series, New Era do run it, without them we wouldn't have a race series.

I know the 583 guys VERY much appreciate being able to get our trophies on the podium at Assen, nice one.

Can we race at CC yet?

[skidlids]

Good news the Castle Combe regs arrived in the post this morning

The Bad news is that there are only 44 grid positions which is 2 less than I was expecting

[AK]

Originally posted by skidlids
Good news the Castle Combe regs arrived in the post this morning

The Bad news is that there are only 44 grid positions which is 2 less than I was expecting

some will def be stuffed to get on the grid then:(:(

are guest riders not going to be permitted to enter this round skids?

[multi600]

Is it still over two days or is it just one day now? if so which one?

Mike

[skidlids]

The most recent time table I have seen has us racing over 2 days with Practice and race 1 on Saturday and Race 2 on Sunday around 10 to 10:30.
Which is fine by me as I would be there both days even if I wasn't racing.

As for guest riders entering I hope the answer to that is NO and I think I have made my point about this to the other members of the RC.

[skidlids]

The most recent I know of

PROVISIONAL EVENT AND TIMETABLE

SATURDAY

08.45 – 09.00 FIM STEWARDS CIRCUIT INSPECTION
09.00 – 09.15 Untimed Practice 250cc Grand Prix
09.20 – 09.50 Untimed Practice SUPERBIKES
10.00 – 10.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 1st Qualifying
10.40 – 10.55 Untimed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
11.00 – 11.15 Untimed Practice ACU STAR – 125cc Grand Prix & Formula 125
11.20 – 11.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES - 1st Qualifying
12.00 – 12.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 2nd Qualifying
12.40 – 12.55 Timed Practice Bracken KTM 660
13.00 – 13.15 Timed Practice Ducati Due & Desmo
13.15 – 13.30 Timed Practice Sound of Thunder

PAUSE (Classic Parade 6 Laps)

14.15 – 14.30 Timed Practice ACU STAR - 125cc Grand Prix & Formula 125
14.37 – 14.52 Timed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
15.00 – 15.15 Timed Practice 250cc Grand Prix
15.20 – 15.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES – 2nd Qualifying
16.00 – 16.30 Race 1 FIM WORLD SIDECAR Sprint 10 Laps
16.40 – 17.05 Race 2 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
17.10 – 17.35 Race 3 Ducati Due & Desmo- 8 Laps

SUNDAY

08.45 – 08.55 Untimed Warm-Up 250cc Grand Prix
09.00 – 09.25 Race 4 Sound of Thunder 8 Laps
09.35 – 10.00 Untimed Warm-Up SUPERBIKES
10.10 – 10.25 Untimed Warm-Up SIDECARS
10.35 – 11.00 Race 5 Ducati Due & Desmo 8 Laps
11.05 – 11.35 Race 6 ACU STAR 125GP & F125cc 10 Laps
11.45 – 12.15 Race 7 ACU STAR Junior Superstock 12 Laps

PAUSE (Air Show - Superbike Riders Circuit Tour - Pit Lane Walkabouts)

13.00 – 13.30 Race 8 250cc Grand Prix 12 Laps
13.40 – 14.20 Race 9 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
14.30 - 15.30 Race 10 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SIDECARS 22 Laps
15.40 – 16.05 Race 11 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
16.15 – 16.55 Race 12 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
17.05 – 17.30 Race 13 Sound of Thunder 8 Laps
Word – SBIKETIME2ndTABLE06 Timetable as 2nd draft by JP