View Full Version : Dealing with yobs(The oldfashioned way)
Well some of you may already know, me and Mrs mav moved house a cpl of weeks ago!
well we have only moved a mile a way to a nice little cul-de-sac. next to a real picturesque park..
anyway we had a nice few cards from the localls and all that, and then we set to making plans for the next cpl of weeks.
I got talking to a neigbour, who told me she was glad that a younger family had moved in,when I asked why,she said that some times on a friday/saturday night (late) there were a few rowdy youths who intimidated some of the people in the close!
So on saturday night (gone) at about 1.30am we awoke to what could only be described as a Full on concert coming from the boot of a "Bad boys" 106 peugeot!
I gets up and pull on my strides and go outside.
I greet the five would be MC's and explain very politely, that this is not the place to be holding a POP concert outside my house at 1.30 AM
Well, the barrage of obscenities that followed and were directed at me are too rare to print! and all five geezas move towards me with lots of beer tins in hand, Gesticulating and throwing abuse at my size, IE fat Barsteward get back in your house B4 we fill u in you old tossa!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice
so I walk back to my house and open the garage door ! whoops they have now left the car and gone into the park!
I pick up my base ball batton, and make a call to a few of my mates (Not a happy bunch) been woken by me at 1.45Am LOL
anyway, soon the cavelry arrive and we go for a play in the park!LOL
At this point I explain to the five geezas and 4 of their mates, that we have not come to play on the swings!!!!!!!!
and that it was not nice to call people of my age such nasty names!
at which point this geeza kicks my baseball bat with the back of his leg! LOL and broke it!
or was it his leg that broke? not sure but it was late anyhow!
at this point we (my mates) started singing so as to drown out the screaming, and I asked if they minded if we filmed them on our mobile fones? sort of a bit like a happy slapping video!!! LOL
anyway explaing to them that we would ask next time ifwe needed a mobile disc jocky we would get intouch directly! and that we had already got their mobile numbers as we had removed all of their sim cards!lol
so off they all went like good little boys do, and we went back to my house where mrs mav made us all a nice cup of TEA and some biscuits!
Moral of the story, Dont buy a nice ICE system and play it loud at 1.30 am out side my furkin house!lol
True story!
ps do them b4 they do you!....Madmav
Sharpy G
19-Jun-2006, 23:37
agree with the sentiment............... but perhaps not the method, even tho' I can't deny it has crossed my mind
Of course I don't advocate such behavoir but... Absolute quality!
I'll let you know when the house next to me goes on the market.
MARTIN H
20-Jun-2006, 01:08
Nice one Mav! Thats the way things should be. Cheeky little whippersnappers! A couple of weeks ago one afternoon Lisa shouted down into the garage for me to come upstairs quickly, I was up in the kitchen in less than a minute but she had already let the dogs loose (15 stone english mastiff & a German shepherd) I looked out the kitchen window to see 6 youths running for their lives to safety. This involved scrabbling down a near vertical 30 foot high banking and crossing a stream and up the banking at the other side. All the time with 2 large hounds in pursuit! It transpires that she had looked out the window to see these 6 blokes sat at the bottom of my garden sat on the grass smoking and talking, she had shouted at them to leave as it was private property and they just laughed at her so she let the dogs loose. The youth of today eh? Funny thing was from the safety of the other side of the stream I got a torrent of abuse which amused me as one of them kept calling me a little barsteward (i'm about 6ft 5 and 18 stone!) Another one of them kept threatening to have gay sex with the Mastiff which I would have loved to see him try! As they didnt seem to want to leave I offered to chain the dogs up and allow them to re-enter my garden one at a time at 2 minute intervals. They finally skulked off.
Whats this country coming to?
I blame the parents :lol:
jeff st4s
20-Jun-2006, 06:20
I wish I'd been able to call you about 15 years ago; there was I sitting on a crowded tube train at rush hour, just looked at 3 teenage kids the wrong way. So one of them pulls out a 6 inch nail wrapped in a wrag at one end openly shows it, tells me what he is going to do me, everybody starts to move away. I don't like the odds 3:1 and a nail so get off at the next stop, still gets me miffed to this day that I was not in a position to give him a slap, but I'm no SAS trainee.
Glad to see that you stood up to be counted.
DaveB916
20-Jun-2006, 06:37
**** Mav I was thinking of having a late beer on Fri' night at Nurburg, but gues I'll shut up and go to bed early......lol
Nice one tho'.
Cheers
ps do them b4 they do you!....Madmav
Youve nicked my moto!
So even though they mooved to the park..you still followed them and gave them a beating.?....
Did the threat of jail time not cross your mind...as a grown man with all his mates breaking a young mans leg with a baseball bat is not gonna look good in the eyes of the law.?.....
that's not self defence is it.?......
im not agreeing or disagreeing.!..just interested in the thought process and the ramifications
So even though they mooved to the park..you still followed them and gave them a beating.?....
Did the threat of jail time not cross your mind...as a grown man with all his mates breaking a young mans leg with a baseball bat is not gonna look good in the eyes of the law.?.....
that's not self defence is it.?......
im not agreeing or disagreeing.!..just interested in the thought process and the ramifications
Fil2 You had to be there mate! I tamed the story down for the board!
And What Law are you talking about? POLICE, were called before I went In persuite, but never turned out!
spoke to a very very good friend of mine who happens to be A DCI, and he said as far as he was concerend The tide is now turning, They the Police are not going to get a kicking by the yobs for the sake of a wage and he thought what we did was the best way to deal with it!
you see fil2 I think we have gained some "RESPECT" from these young *******s!.....
on the other side My property and the little old lady in my cul-de-sac will be safer now!
My message is clear MY 4 kids know the score and I even gave my boy a bollocking for driving is car to fast in the street the otherday..
RESPECT RESPECT thats the message.........mav
FiscusFish
20-Jun-2006, 09:06
...kept threatening to have gay sex with the Mastiff....
Whats this country coming to?
Well, that's put me off my breakfast.... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fiscusfish/vomit.gif
Darren
**** Mav I was thinking of having a late beer on Fri' night at Nurburg, but gues I'll shut up and go to bed early......lol
Nice one tho'.
Cheers
Dave, dont worry mate I take my chill pills when i'm away, ask webby and the boys!!!!!
Pluss the baseball bat is broken Now, The guy who kicked it not realisen there was a steel fence behind the bat Ow! anyway wooden bats are old fashioned now so i have ordered me one of aluminium titanium one now,you know the one youcan unscrew and fill with concreet!!!!!LOL
Dave Gimmi a ring mate so as we can arrange where to meet on friday! mav
Fil2 You had to be there mate! I tamed the story down for the board!
And What Law are you talking about? POLICE, were called before I went In persuite, but never turned out!
spoke to a very very good friend of mine who happens to be A DCI, and he said as far as he was concerend The tide is now turning, They the Police are not going to get a kicking by the yobs for the sake of a wage and he thought what we did was the best way to deal with it!
you see fil2 I think we have gained some "RESPECT" from these young *******s!.....
on the other side My property and the little old lady in my cul-de-sac will be safer now!
My message is clear MY 4 kids know the score and I even gave my boy a bollocking for driving is car to fast in the street the otherday..
RESPECT RESPECT thats the message.........mav
I can understand that to some degree.....so do you think we " society " are passed rational discussion.?...these youths respond to nothing other than a beating.?...now they will be at home sipping tea and not ****ing anyone off...??..i fear that " they" will moove down the street away from your house / street and take out there now even more pent up frustrations on another person and get payback for what you did on some one else weaker.?...
I dunno........violence begits violence..violence does not end violence.?....
self defence is different thing.?...if you had not walked away then they would have attacked you...?...so indeed your actions were delayed self defence.......!...preventative measures if you like....
I have issues over it as i have trained in martial arts for years and i struggle with being the aggressor.!...at times i wish i did'nt...........
i dunno...hmmm
Phil
phil mate 'I'm not saying I'm right or your wrong!
But when I was a youth we played up sure we did Nock and run riding our chicken chasers when we were too young etc etc
But hey, when someones old man came out, we were ****ting our selves
these kids/youths are ****ed up druged up and have loadsa front and NO fear anymore!
THESE were wanton thugs who intimidated people for fun, Drunk in charge of a car! etc etc,
You of all people should know with your M/A background, my action was not a pre med as such, I'm no fool either.Walking in the park alone after them even for a guy like me would have been suicide mate
but evening the numbers up and then letting them see the other side of some people they were intimidating,may have just made them think a little bit before they do it again!
who has the answers?
but standing off just lets them keep getting away with iT...mav
doogalman
20-Jun-2006, 09:47
Top man keith. I love stories with a happy ending.
My nethew had a ruck with a large group recently in much the same scenario, pumping iron door man is his forte. Hate to think how the scote felt when he got hold of the ring leader
Sadly i think the only way to instill morals and respect is to go back in time, and start again from day one at school with a rod of iron. The current generation of wasters we should just overlook as a bad experiment.
Mav....
Im not inferring that either of us are right or wrong..just putting down some thoughts over the matter..............
I at times wish that when im walking past a few youths hanging about that one of them try's his luck....foolish possibly but to hand out a lesson as you did is so inviting.......im just not sure it produces the right results....
Has it really changed since we were growing up...every generation looks back and said " when i was a lad "...i wonder how bad it will be when the current generation of teenagers look back and say " when i was a lad we just use to beat and stab people now they are torturing and shooting em "....extreme possibly but not far from the truth.......
I agree on your point that back in the day we feared the Olds.....why was that .?..cos he woulda given us a clip round the ear.?...maybe violence is the answer.?
is vigilante justice the key........when justice is metered out do we get the ring leader or just the poor wannabe's that hang in the crowd cos they are afraid not to.?.....
it is interesting and i dont know the answer........
where is the law when u need it............oh yeah sitting on the road with a speed camera.?
Phil
Mav
i think fil2 has a bit of a moral point about society and its future in general, BUT i whole heartedly agree with both your response and MartinH's.
Unfortunately sometimes its the only thing the scrotes (who makes some peoples lives misery) understand. 10 out of 10.
swannymere
20-Jun-2006, 11:43
Can i give you my mobile no. for next time:D
rcgbob44
20-Jun-2006, 12:22
You just don`t understand, you big bully!
hope it works for you and you don't end up with a brick threw your window.
or you house burnt down
[QUOTE=jeff st4s]I wish I'd been able to call you about 15 years ago; QUOTE]
you and me both. I took a little bit of a kicking from 2 fellas. it wasnt too bad as there were lots of people about. taxi queue in Kingston, a saturday night, everyone is pretty much drunk. I didn't bother with the police, no real ahrm done.
"interfering in his relationship" was how he put it. I would describe that assesment as the epitome of "Spin"
hope it works for you and you don't end up with a brick threw your window.
or you house burnt down
You've just got to put the fear of God into them so they don't even contemplate revenge if they know they'll always get far worse back. Its the only way with scrotes, bullys etc. Fear works, and i'm sure Mav thought of this when he had his 'discussion' with the offending yobs.
You've just got to put the fear of God into them so they don't even contemplate revenge if they know they'll always get far worse back. Its the only way with scrotes, bullys etc. Fear works, and i'm sure Mav thought of this when he had his 'discussion' with the offending yobs.
Do you think after this punishment metered out that " they " the offending yobs will turn over a new leaf and be good little boys.????....or will they pick on less resistive targets perhaps and really exact revenge.?.....
I dunno maybe a good beating will make wind there heads in.....i hope so.....
Phil
Do you think after this punishment metered out that " they " the offending yobs will turn over a new leaf and be good little boys.????....or will they pick on less resistive targets perhaps and really exact revenge.?.....
I dunno maybe a good beating will make wind there heads in.....i hope so.....
Phil
Sad to say Phil i don't for a moment think they'll turn over a new leaf, unfortunately it'll probably just move the problem elsewhere.
Thats for the police and sociologists to resolve, far beyond the likes of me to solve social problems but it would hopefully solve Mav and his neighbours immediate problem. I know i'm leaving myself wide open to criticism for the "I'm all right Jack approach"
I'm certainly not criticisng your views and comments, very laudable. Morally its not the right approach to solve the issue, i'm well aware of that, but sometimes needs must. I speak from experience, but don't want to go into specifics. A BIG problem could not be resolved in conventional ways, so alternative methods were used very successfully. Its not big, or something to be proud of but needs must sometimes.
Hopefully these yobs may mature a bit with age and experience, rather than just develop into older more professional thugs. It would be good to demenstrate to them the effects on their actions on normal people, it may help change them, but it may also amuse them. I honestly don't know what the right solution is.
VanDaMauler
20-Jun-2006, 15:31
I`m with you all the way.
Nice one.
Its the sort of thing I`d do.
TORTUGA
20-Jun-2006, 15:45
I had a good run in with some scum bags a couple of years ago, I was putting the car away in my garage when I heard voices coming down my street. It was dark and about 1130. I stood in the garage doorway to see 2 guys around 19 years old with a sledge hammer, they didn,t see me and as they passed a neighbours car they stopped and said "go on do it, smash it"
Then one of them noticed it wasn't locked and so they opened the door and started to steal it. I thought mmmm 2 guys sledge hammer, so I reached to my side and picked up my 3ft timber axe. I walked out of my drive with it hidden down the back of my leg. I said what the f**** going on here then? to which they both jumped out of the car and the one with the hammer went to raise it and they both started to square up to me. One said we got a f****** hammer to which I said mmmm hammer looks good but timber axes beat hammers(as I produced the axe) One cried s*** hes got an axe to which they dropped the hammer and ran. I chased them with the axe to the bottom of the road, went back and had a look at my new hammer!
The end Tortuga wins
I am a prison officer and so am not easily intimidated by scum bags.
I have had a few occasions where youths have smashed the odd bottle out side my house. I always go out and my speech is always right pick up the glass. To which they say "but I will cut myself" My reply is always well sunshine here's the choice. Pick up the glass off of the floor or pick your teeth up, your choice. I have to say to date the sound has been of glass being put in my bin and then a gobby one shouting something when they are 500 yards down the road as they run off.
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!
Sad to say Phil i don't for a moment think they'll turn over a new leaf, unfortunately it'll probably just move the problem elsewhere.
Thats for the police and sociologists to resolve, far beyond the likes of me to solve social problems but it would hopefully solve Mav and his neighbours immediate problem. I know i'm leaving myself wide open to criticism for the "I'm all right Jack approach"
I'm certainly not criticisng your views and comments, very laudable. Morally its not the right approach to solve the issue, i'm well aware of that, but sometimes needs must. I speak from experience, but don't want to go into specifics. A BIG problem could not be resolved in conventional ways, so alternative methods were used very successfully. Its not big, or something to be proud of but needs must sometimes.
Hopefully these yobs may mature a bit with age and experience, rather than just develop into older more professional thugs. It would be good to demenstrate to them the effects on their actions on normal people, it may help change them, but it may also amuse them. I honestly don't know what the right solution is.
lets hope so..........................some people only respond to violence i guess......shame...........
I had a good run in with some scum bags a couple of years ago, I was putting the car away in my garage when I heard voices coming down my street. It was dark and about 1130. I stood in the garage doorway to see 2 guys around 19 years old with a sledge hammer, they didn,t see me and as they passed a neighbours car they stopped and said "go on do it, smash it"
Then one of them noticed it wasn't locked and so they opened the door and started to steal it. I thought mmmm 2 guys sledge hammer, so I reached to my side and picked up my 3ft timber axe. I walked out of my drive with it hidden down the back of my leg. I said what the f**** going on here then? to which they both jumped out of the car and the one with the hammer went to raise it and they both started to square up to me. One said we got a f****** hammer to which I said mmmm hammer looks good but timber axes beat hammers(as I produced the axe) One cried s*** hes got an axe to which they dropped the hammer and ran. I chased them with the axe to the bottom of the road, went back and had a look at my new hammer!
The end Tortuga wins
I am a prison officer and so am not easily intimidated by scum bags.
I have had a few occasions where youths have smashed the odd bottle out side my house. I always go out and my speech is always right pick up the glass. To which they say "but I will cut myself" My reply is always well sunshine here's the choice. Pick up the glass off of the floor or pick your teeth up, your choice. I have to say to date the sound has been of glass being put in my bin and then a gobby one shouting something when they are 500 yards down the road as they run off.
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!
and what happens if you get into a fight with 2 lads with a hammer and you with an axe.?................someone is gonna get hurt and it is worth it for the sake of a car.?...............
gasmanrus
20-Jun-2006, 15:54
mav, i've been in the same position as you (i was dumb enough to buy my 1st house next door to a 24 hr petrol stn!!) i got sick of the local yoot leavin there rubbish in my garden & went out there to tell em to pick it up & pi*s off.
well, about 4 of these young "men" got leary so i went back in the house & grabbed the 1st thing i could get hold of, which was a bloody big knife. to this day i dont know what would've happened if my then girlfriend hadnt've pulled me back in the house. someone could be brown bread &i could still be inside.
all i'm sayin is in the heat of the moment perminant damage could be done.
i think its a case of go absolutley loopey & be prepared to put you & your family at risk, or do nothing.
its a tricky one for sure.
TORTUGA
20-Jun-2006, 16:04
and what happens if you get into a fight with 2 lads with a hammer and you with an axe.?................someone is gonna get hurt and it is worth it for the sake of a car.?...............
Yes I know what you mean but I have never been one to stand back, it can be looked at as a good thing and a bad thing I guess. I have caught countless burglars in my street, in fact last year I tackled someone trying to steal an elderly neighbours car and during the scrappy bit when I caught him we fell and I cracked a rib and had cuts and bruises. I would still do it tomorrow as I cant stand being a victim and letting others become victims, because to me you are saying its ok to to be a scumbag because no one will stop you. Queens rules apply in my street and not villains rules as I refuse to live in a world where they make the rules.
Yes I know what you mean but I have never been one to stand back, it can be looked at as a good thing and a bad thing I guess. I have caught countless burglars in my street, in fact last year I tackled someone trying to steal an elderly neighbours car and during the scrappy bit when I caught him we fell and I cracked a rib and had cuts and bruises. I would still do it tomorrow as I cant stand being a victim and letting others become victims, because to me you are saying its ok to to be a scumbag because no one will stop you. Queens rules apply in my street and not villains rules as I refuse to live in a world where they make the rules.
i agree in some way ... but you as a prison officer in a scuffle with weapons if prosecuted faces jail time.....and that aint gonna be pretty.....im not adviocating turn the other cheek as there is a time to stand up..im just not sure when that is and for what reason.......i certainly dont want jail time cos i battered some 17 year old kid cos his boom box was to loud.?..but then again sleep deprevation can send u mental......................
insanity plea anyone.?
VanDaMauler
20-Jun-2006, 16:11
and what happens if you get into a fight with 2 lads with a hammer and you with an axe.?................someone is gonna get hurt and it is worth it for the sake of a car.?...............
Cor....Change the record Chuck!!!
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Cor....Change the record Chuck!!!
http://www.rrlicensing.com/store/catalog/images/Chuck%20Norris.jpg
He was only good in "way of the dragon"...................mind you i did like "Texas ranger" also.....
your hook needs sharpening petal...........LOL
TORTUGA
20-Jun-2006, 16:19
i agree in some way ... but you as a prison officer in a scuffle with weapons if prosecuted faces jail time.....and that aint gonna be pretty...........................
insanity plea anyone.?
Yes I agree, I only picked up the axe because I saw the Hammer. I would have pleaded self defence or said I was just chopping some wood for the fire.
Joke
Well maybe not if push came to shove!
Ok good and bad comments! this is what I like about the board (freedom of points of view)
well I'm gonna ask all of you who have commented on this subject!
If street war ever broke out
would you stand shoulder to shoulder with me
or just slightly behind?
I have spoke with my Boy today, who has informed me that some one spoke to him who knows the guys who we sorted, and the "Word" on the street ,as they put it is.............That geeza is a psycho !!!!!!!!!!! lol
so MT please change my board name to psycho MAV
looks like it may have worked in my favour this time!
Ok good and bad comments! this is what I like about the board (freedom of points of view)
well I'm gonna ask all of you who have commented on this subject!
If street war ever broke out
would you stand shoulder to shoulder with me
or just slightly behind?
I have spoke with my Boy today, who has informed me that some one spoke to him who knows the guys who we sorted, and the "Word" on the street ,as they put it is.............That geeza is a psycho !!!!!!!!!!! lol
so MT please change my board name to psycho MAV
looks like it may have worked in my favour this time!
class............the rep is in place no more trouble in your street...Madmav AKA " Frank Castle "
as for the question if street war broke out would we/i stand shoulder to shoulder or behind.?...
if you got the bat and tortuga got the axe then right beside you sir........
TORTUGA
20-Jun-2006, 17:33
class...........
if you got the bat and tortuga got the axe then right beside you sir........
fil2 says shaking!
I sound a right nutter now!
Sometimes things happen and you think afterwards, mmmmm shouldn't have done that because, but it its done now.
everton
20-Jun-2006, 17:33
class............the rep is in place no more trouble in your street...Madmav AKA " Frank Castle "
as for the question if street war broke out would we/i stand shoulder to shoulder or behind.?...
if you got the bat and tortuga got the axe then right beside you sir........
I'm happy to hold both your coats if you like :D
swannymere
20-Jun-2006, 17:41
Shoulder to shoulder,with my favourite new garden tool,the mattock:devil:
class............the rep is in place no more trouble in your street...Madmav AKA " Frank Castle "
Sorry Fil2, Sitting in the LOTUS position in front of a picture of "Bruce Lee" and holding Rice frails whilst talking to Buddas. It Not going to keep my Bike safe in my GARAGE,the missus safe when i'm not here at weekends,
the tools and equipment I cant insure anymore in the boot of my car, ETC ETC........
whilst i can see where you are coming from "Free LOVE" and bloody flower power went out of fashion back in the sixties!
These so called kids, are scum scrotes or whatever they are!
They aint normal people!
I'm proud to say MY english mans Home is MY english mans castle!
JMO.....pshyco mav
I'm proud to say MY english mans Home is MY english mans castle!
JMO.....pshyco mav
British N Proud
doogalman
20-Jun-2006, 18:22
I love my Chain-saw.
Davieravie
20-Jun-2006, 18:23
Faced with a similar stuation to Mav, I found a half butt of a snooker cue and a German Shephard dog did the trick!! Little ****ers have not been back since.
Big pat on the back from me Mav. MBE recommendation in the post.
Davieravie
20-Jun-2006, 18:24
Shoulder to shoulder,with my favourite new garden tool,the mattock:devil:
Whats a mattock??? Can you get them at Homebase???
Mav,
Your so right on so many levels...violence never solved anything.....but I have noticed a lot less of anything since using a bit of violence!
Respect the leader
skidlids
20-Jun-2006, 19:11
these kids/youths are ****ed up druged up and have loadsa front and NO fear anymore!
THESE were wanton thugs who intimidated people for fun, Drunk in charge of a car! etc etc,
You of all people should know with your M/A background, my action was not a pre med as such, I'm no fool either.Walking in the park alone after them even for a guy like me would have been suicide mate
but evening the numbers up and then letting them see the other side of some people they were intimidating,may have just made them think a little bit before they do it again!
who has the answers?
but standing off just lets them keep getting away with iT...mav
Spot on Mav, thats how it works around here, only the other day I looked out of the spare bedroom window into the alley way behind my house to see the usual sort of drug dealing that goes on. There is only one way to get respect from the yobs on the streets and as you say the police aren't really interested.
The local residents are now patroling the streets to try and clean things up and the party they have formed got my vote at the local elections.
GsxrAge
20-Jun-2006, 19:13
Well done MAV
I wish I had the balls to stand up to the likes of them !
A few months back us the family were at a petrol station waiting to fill up with petrol when a car jumped the que, We pulled up to the pump behind them to see they were a CHAV couple. My mrs was none to pleased with them not waitng there turn and gave them a dirty look, the next thing I know the bloke was in my face threatning to knock my lights out, I did not react and after a few more choice words from him he left.
After he left I was so mad with myself for not hitting him but it not me I don't do pain !
Age
Well done MAV
I wish I had the balls to stand up to the likes of them !
A few months back us the family were at a petrol station waiting to fill up with petrol when a car jumped the que, We pulled up to the pump behind them to see they were a CHAV couple. My mrs was none to pleased with them not waitng there turn and gave them a dirty look, the next thing I know the bloke was in my face threatning to knock my lights out, I did not react and after a few more choice words from him he left.
After he left I was so mad with myself for not hitting him but it not me I don't do pain !
Age AGE that is the point fil2 is making and too right in away!
I'm lucky enough to have worked the doors for a few years, You get to spot the types, Now I could have followed these youths into the park on my own!
But, I'm 46 and fat lol
so instinct calls in the boys (saftey in numbers)
age you did the right thing Mate.......
After he left I was so mad with myself for not hitting him but it not me I don't do pain !
Age
Know how you feel AGE but its a tricky one. Have seen both sides of that fence. Years ago I was in taxi Q with a few friends and this guy was making really inappropriate suggestions to a girl who was only about 13. Her mother was there too. Both looking really shaken. And to my and most of my friends shame we said nothing. But my mate Dave stood up to him, and he backed down. Dont think his mates would have stood by him, if it came to it. Myself and my other mates felt like ****. On the way home we asked him why he did it and he said, he had a sister and if he wasnt there he would want someone to look after her.
I was inspired by that, and got a little bit of a kicking from 2 guys in the Kingston taxi queue for politely asking this guy to stop spitting in his girlfriends and her friends face. Luckily for me I was at the top of the queue, my taxi came and some girls pulled me up and bundled me in. Never did get to thank them,.But I went home feeling real chuffed I had done the right thing. I have done it again, in a similar situation but the guys mates held him back, probably because they knew he was well out of order, and I am not sure they would have stood by him either. Certainly was not keen on finding out. Should maybe have thought of that before I opened my mouth
Unfortunately some people cannot be reasoned with and if you do or say something there is a risk
Sometimes a man just has to what a man has to do, if that is what it takes, I Know feeling mate.
Personally, I think we have become a nanny state one way and another. There is no real effictive way to deal with these yobs, and all other similar problems anymore.
If kids were brought up with respect and mannners , instead of being dragged up and left to do what they want and when they want, some of these problem just wound,nt arise.
Ok , kids will allways get into trouble as they growup, we all got into trouble when younger, but kids today are a law to themselves, and there is little we can do about it (legally that is). We can,t even smack our kids now as punishment now.
The sooner kids learn respect and civil manners the better as far as I,m concerned. I rave on and on about this, but you get my point, if I had my way , I would round them all up, and shipp them of to siberia for some " attitude enhancement therapy" (hard labour) for a year or so. Probably woudn,t have much effect, since the damage has allready been done during there earlier years.
Just my thoughts.
Well you did your best mav under the circumstances.
R
What a facinating thread - been watching it develop all day with differing opinions where everyone's right!
I've only had to deal such confrontation twice, the first was when I was just 10 and the school bully surrounded by his mates were pushing me about. After a good 5 minutes of trying to ignore it and walk away, I turned round and gave him a free trip to the dentist, knocked him off his feet into the river... was really funny! And when his mum found out why he came home with a hand full of teeth he got a good hiding from her too. Never got any grief from him again, and he turned out to be a decent kid thanks mostly to the punishment dished out back home. So why can't parents smack their kids???
The second time was about 5 years back, and I'm not the biggest chap in the world so had to use an alternative method.
I can't remember why, but one of the locals started giving me some merde in the street one day, he was on his own but for some reason took a dislike to me (can you imagine!). I just wanted to lump him, but he was significantly bigger than me so didn't fancy my chances of walking away!
I resorted to a bit of training I've had - Used to be a WO with the Air Training Corps, so had the basic disciplinary training of a regular raf snco and was in charge of discipline at my squadron. I just squared up to this prat and gave him such a military style bollocking for disrespecting me that he was actually fighting back the tears!
I see the guy hanging out with his mates occassionally, and one time when I walked past them I heard him say to the others "Don't give him any s**t, he's ok"
Different methods, same result. And for the record mav... you did just what I wish I could do - vote mav for chief constable!
A Mattock is actually a sort of pick axe with a broad blade at one end. We used to use em when digging cable trenches.
From previous comments it looks to me like some people are questioning Mavs behaviour and reaction. Well let's wind it back a bit and ask what you would have said to your lad if he had come to you late evening and said "Yep Dad, me and some of the lads are gonna go down the street and turn it up loud like. Who gives a flying F@@k what they think, we're having a larf we are"
My response would be "Well don't come crying to me if you end up with a face full of bat"
Who's the antagonist in this situation - the lads who go out with what appears to be the full intention of annoying Joe Public, or the geezer who decides to fight fire with fire?
Been there done that. Do unto others as they would do unto you - only do it first.
Good on yer Mav.
swannymere
20-Jun-2006, 23:17
The main problem is actually the parents who are not prepared to control their kids and teach them respect.I'm a village store manager and the worst people to deal with are the 'Daily Mail reading,Church attending,Volvo,BMW,Mercedes driving,school governor type of parent who absolutely refuse to believe their offspring has done anything wrong and then blame it on the kids from the local estate who are gobby but generally ok.Even when i have them on our digital CCTV system caught in the act,i'm accused of doctoring the tape!:mad:
ok mav im with you
lets feck em up
philthy
20-Jun-2006, 23:53
Very interesting thread and I think many of us would either do the same, or would like to think we would do the same. I've had some ''interesting'' confrontations on one or two occassions and it's a great feeling to look back on over a few pints. By the way I'm no fighter, quite the opposite, but I and a few others felt at the time that the balance in a particular situation needed redressing and someone had to stand up and be counted. ( We did have the police on our side though but it was made plain to us that if we stepped outside the law that we forfeited our right to protection by the law )
However if you do allow your heart to rule your head and escalate a situation as Mav did then you also have to accept the possibility that they may return, possibly mob handed with knives or worse, firearms. They have the advantage in that they know where you live but you don't know where they come from.
What happens if you are out for the night and your wife/kids are on their own and the meatheads turn up? Forget the police as depending how busy they are you may not get a response for 30 or more minutes, if at all.
As for your confrontation Age, in my view you did the right thing by not winding your aggressor up any further. He could have stabbed you before you could react. It's not worth dying for a principle.
Mav I admire you for what you did and it seems to have worked out this time and doubtless your neighbours love you to bits but some guys locally did exactly the same, but in that case the lads went to the police and the guys ended up in prison.
Food for thought.
Phil
very true Philthy!
But LIVE by the sword and be prepaired to dye by it!!!!!!!!!!
all or nothing no half measures!
Maverick call the ball.......lol
theoldbuzzard
21-Jun-2006, 00:44
Isn't it remarkable that we have this thread going at the same time as the "profanity on the web site" thread. Although ancient I have a 12yr old son and a 9yr old daughter and both are taking an interest in bikes and bike racing. I am trying to bring them up as people who will respect others but find this being undermined by some on this site who think that their personal liberty over-rides my attempts.
I have taken my son to the Silverstone WSB round for several years, camping throughout he weekend. Last year was the first time we encountered any trouble, a bit too much booze had had it's effect on a couple of fellows resulting in a lot of shouted obscenaties and threats of violence (not to me or my son, but we were in the midst of it).
I have to say that I was slightly fearfull of a good kicking, but I did approach the culprits and told them that I wasn't happy with this conduct, particularly since they were frightening the s**t out of both me and my son.
I'm so pleased to say that their response was total and abject apology. To be honest I was quite shocked by their humility. Perhaps there are others on this site who could learn from this.................
phoenix n max
21-Jun-2006, 01:10
*whiffs the testosterone oozing from behind the door of this thread *
and runs away.....................:D
Actually was just wondering why none of the girlies had replied really :)
I have to say that I was slightly fearfull of a good kicking, but I did approach the culprits and told them that I wasn't happy with this conduct, particularly since they were frightening the s**t out of both me and my son.
I'm so pleased to say that their response was total and abject apology. To be honest I was quite shocked by their humility. Perhaps there are others on this site who could learn from this.................
Some peope do respond to reason but some don't I am afraid. that is pretty much my experience, On one occassion I did get a wee bit of a kicking but I would rather that than watch him continue to abuse his girl friend. On two others, I got away with nothing physical happening.
I have never started a fight with anyone, and never would. I have always been calm and polite when suggesting someone ought to change their behaviour. On one occassion I just stood there and made sure the guy knew I was there so he could not get away with continueing to pull his girlfriend around like a sack of spuds. Eventually he walked off in the huff saying "you got all these white people staring at me now". I was with my girlie at the time.
I would not get involved over vandalism of property, but when it comes to people, like your son and daughter you have to stand up and say something. You should be very proud. I would be.
jeff st4s
21-Jun-2006, 08:58
Glad to see your gentle story has raised so much interest.
I still agree with with the fact you fronted up to the scum and hopefully they won't be around your way again.
If the wind is in the right direction, then nothing will come back to haunt you.
But I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around, so take care!
Sorry Fil2, Sitting in the LOTUS position in front of a picture of "Bruce Lee" and holding Rice frails whilst talking to Buddas. It Not going to keep my Bike safe in my GARAGE,the missus safe when i'm not here at weekends,
the tools and equipment I cant insure anymore in the boot of my car, ETC ETC........
whilst i can see where you are coming from "Free LOVE" and bloody flower power went out of fashion back in the sixties!
These so called kids, are scum scrotes or whatever they are!
They aint normal people!
I'm proud to say MY english mans Home is MY english mans castle!
JMO.....pshyco mav
I have not really voiced my personal opinion this, was merely offering an alternative point of view..............i have never said you were right or wrong.?
FWIW i dont sit in front of a picture of Bruce lee...or fling ride flails about while talking to Buddha...although it does create a funny mental image.........
but thanks for that.............
Phil
phil glad you seen the funny side ! when I wrote it I thought it might make you "SMILE"
stay lucky ...mav
VanDaMauler
21-Jun-2006, 09:34
Ok good and bad comments! this is what I like about the board (freedom of points of view)
well I'm gonna ask all of you who have commented on this subject!
If street war ever broke out
would you stand shoulder to shoulder with me
or just slightly behind?
I have spoke with my Boy today, who has informed me that some one spoke to him who knows the guys who we sorted, and the "Word" on the street ,as they put it is.............That geeza is a psycho !!!!!!!!!!! lol
so MT please change my board name to psycho MAV
looks like it may have worked in my favour this time!
Its How I like to live too, its called.....
http://www.spreadshirt.com/shops/5000/4497/motives/4497_220331_big.gif
Nice one!!!
Its How I like to live too, its called.....
http://www.spreadshirt.com/shops/5000/4497/motives/4497_220331_big.gif
Nice one!!!
" one can only know true peace if he is prepared for war "
yeah i know you gonna like that one................LOL
weeksy2
21-Jun-2006, 10:51
I'm baffled.... MAv... it's one thing to do this... but another altogether to tell a message board full of coppers you've given some teenager a good beating...
Confused.
antonye
21-Jun-2006, 11:41
Isn't it remarkable that we have this thread going at the same time as the "profanity on the web site" thread. Although ancient I have a 12yr old son and a 9yr old daughter and both are taking an interest in bikes and bike racing. I am trying to bring them up as people who will respect others but find this being undermined by some on this site who think that their personal liberty over-rides my attempts.
Oo! That'll be me then!
I have to say that I was slightly fearfull of a good kicking, but I did approach the culprits and told them that I wasn't happy with this conduct, particularly since they were frightening the s**t out of both me and my son.
Ooops! Own goal there!
I rest my case.
I'm baffled.... MAv... it's one thing to do this... but another altogether to tell a message board full of coppers you've given some teenager a good beating...
Confused.
methinks that Mav might have just woken up with a Sue Ellen wig on to find Bobby Ewing is still alive and that the fracas did not really happen :-)
methinks that Mav might have just woken up with a Sue Ellen wig on to find Bobby Ewing is still alive and that the fracas did not really happen :-)
Me thinks, that fact or fiction , and those who know me know!!
It's simple, did i whale the **** out of the thugs?
were they asked very nicely to move along YES
Were the police called by a neigbour YES
Did the police respond NO
was i supposed to say "nevermind" then lads you carry on being very disrespectfull NO
are the police going to read this then send Mi6 to my house NO
Can you get done for murder if there is no Body found??????????????
Steve I put it up on the board to see what people realy think!
and I'm now satisfied I did the right thing!
OH and who said they were teenagers
Me thinks, that fact or fiction , and those who know me know!!
It's simple, did i whale the **** out of the thugs?
were they asked very nicely to move along YES
Were the police called by a neigbour YES
Did the police respond NO
was i supposed to say "nevermind" then lads you carry on being very disrespectfull NO
are the police going to read this then send Mi6 to my house NO
Can you get done for murder if there is no Body found??????????????
Steve I put it up on the board to see what people realy think!
and I'm now satisfied I did the right thing!
OH and who said they were teenagers
Just don't want to see you in trouble mate, thats all!
TORTUGA
22-Jun-2006, 07:40
I am not saying its ok to use force or bad language in any situationas its not, I live near a rough part of Bristol and young children just out of nappies turn the air blue as they pass my house which is a real shame, they grow up not knowing when it is right to swear or not and are heard using foul language in normal conversation. As for using force You have to be there to decide that and whether its the right decision afterwards will vary on the outcome. No one should be criticised for walking away as like I said you have to be there to decide that. Like the Old Buzzard I have witnessed bad behaviour and spoken out, like the time I was at Weston Super Mud beach race, the security guards turned the air blue at some people for some petty thing in front of families with children. It was a family atmosphere and not the time and place to threaten people with alsorts and language. I spoke to them and asked them to tone it down and was then told to keep my nose out or leave!
I have never been involved in a punch up because I refuse to get drawn into all that stuff, I always walk away as thats not me, however on the times I have had to use force I have done so using restraint moves that I use at work as I dont need to start punching people to hurt them. Sometimes I cant just look the other way as I believe I am doing what is right.
A couple of years ago I was camping in Cornwall with my wife. I was woken by a couple in the lane near the site having an argument. The argument became very nasty and it was obvious he was hitting her and moving on to rape her. I was out of the tent and into the lane like a flash. I wont go into details but it wasn't pretty. I pulled him off and his reaction was "Its my wife and I will do as I please" before taking some swings at me, I used my training and restrained him until the Police came. No one else on the site came out to help and at first I was angry however after I just thought maybe people were to scared to get involved as it was a nasty incident.
There was some swearing used there and it was appropriate I think.
Stu748R
22-Jun-2006, 08:49
The government approve of this kind of "self defence" just ask John Prescott !!!!!!!!!!!
And he was only attacked with a "killer"egg.
Dont get mad,just get even.
badmanners
22-Jun-2006, 13:25
IMHO
fil2: your attitude is exactly the reason why people turn their back when faced with an issue as seen above and as we are now experiencing is why the "youth of today" have no "respect".
Who are they to respect?
The Politically Correct brigade?
Or the "old school" short sharp shock?
Mav: Whilst I cannot condone your actions, I do sympathise with them and only wish more people had the moral fibre that you obviously have. I would add though that I wouldnt have followed them into the park but perhaps have dealt with them if they had stayed a problem in the street.
But thats just my opinion.
In my work I deal with "the youth of today" and see to them in which ever way they appear to need, some need direction, some need a mother and some just need a kick up the jacksy!
This is an interesting thread, to be honest this is one of those moral issues that I really struggle with. So before I share a recent experience I’d like to say that I don’t know the answer, it’s a very complex issue with repercussions no matter which choice you make. As far as I can see you just have to prioritise those repercussions as best you can, usually in a split second or two, and act accordingly. Some people will always think you did the wrong thing, some people will always think you did the right thing – no matter which course of action you chose.
So, my ‘recent’ experience was actually about two years ago. I’d just come back from a night out for a mate’s farewell and I was in search of a dodgy kebab or something, as you do. I’m wearing a suit, with an expensive laptop in the backpack I was wearing, walking down the Twickenham high street chatting away on my mobile phone. There are a number of flats above the shops on the high street and there was a party going on in one of them. As I walked past I felt something brush through my hair and quickly looking around I saw something rather solid bouncing off the road. These two’partygoers’ had thrown something at me. Still talking on the phone I settled for the ‘Headmaster Finger Wave’ (index finger, not middle ... in a true teacher style, it kept me amused anyway ...) and kept going on.
About three shops up there was a pizza shop that was open so I decided on getting myself a nice little ham and pineapple number. I was waiting outside the shop to finish my conversation on the phone before ordering when all I hear is “You got a f(*%^( problem mate”. I turn around and these two legends decided to come down and ‘sort me out’ for being a ‘smartarse’. Great. They had my back to the glass shop front and were blocking my path to walk away. They were quite aggressive and started to really close my personal space – it was obvious what was going on. So I decided to take the initiative to try and put the odds back in my favour – so I went in as hard and fast as I could. A: It’s the only language these knobs understand sometimes and B: I was ******ed if I was going to stand around and wait to find out one of these idiots had a knife or something. I may as well have turned my back, lifted my shirt and pointed out where they could slot a knife between my ribs. Yes that is extreme, but hopefully it makes my point about passive acceptance.
I am a father of four children and could have gone to jail for assault, apparently purely because I threw the first punch. If this had of happened it would have risked having my VISA revoked and my family deported (cue the colonial jokes …) – which would have a dramatic effect on a lot of people. At the time I prioritised my own health and safety over the needs of my family. You could argue that my health and safety is paramount to the family unit … there’s valid arguments on both sides which is what makes it such a complex issue – in my view.
I still don’t know what the right thing to do is; I only know what I would do again under the same circumstances. I fully understand that not everyone is in a position to do that – I’m not judging anyone. I was a soldier in the Aus ARMY for 7 years and did an unarmed combat course. It was that training that made me take the initiative, otherwise I probably would have gotten a good kicking.
Anyway, I hope someone takes something from this. I actually wrote this yesterday and the message board disappeared when I hit Post Reply so I’ve typed it again!
.... B: I was ******ed if I was going to stand around ...
Why do we censor the word b u g g e r ?
badmanners
22-Jun-2006, 14:38
We sensor it as it is obscene language, see below:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/******
bug·ger 1 (bgr, bg-)
n.
1. Vulgar Slang A sodomite.
2. Slang A contemptible or disreputable person.
3. Slang A fellow; a chap: "He's a silly little ******, then" John le Carré.
v. bug·gered, bug·ger·ing, bug·gers Vulgar Slang
v.intr.
To practice sodomy.
v.tr.
1. To practice sodomy with.
2. To damn.
Phrasal Verb:
****** off
Chiefly British Slang To leave someone alone; go away.
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[Middle English bougre, heretic, from Old French boulgre, from Medieval Latin Bulgarus; see Bulgar.]
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