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Do you have any ideas/suggestions for DD in 2007?
How can we make it better?
Superpole!.... Oh wait we already have that!
Superpole!.... Oh wait we already have that!
:lol: Except nobody knew until it was too late :(
open class a for national licence holders properly, not just limited to those who have already raced in the series. would open this section up a tad.
keep class b for novice and clubman licence.
and dont make the top 3 in the champ points in 583 'have' to move up? surely they will want to go up of their own accord?
publish that the rules for mech that will definatley not be changed for 2007 NOW to stop any fannying about over the winter. I cant see any reason not to change them.
choose when to start the season by the end of this one and dont change it again
only have rider votes at race meetings if really needed
get people on the rc who have the time to devote to coming to the meetings. not demeaning the present one but they have had a lot of other things happening.
just a few of my thorts but its just my ideas.
dom, you make me larf:D
open class a for national licence holders properly, not just limited to those who have already raced in the series. would open this section up a tad.
Blimey, do we want fast people in DD? ;)
publish that the rules for mech that will definatley not be changed for 2007 NOW to stop any fannying about over the winter. I cant see any reason not to change them.
Agreed.
dom, you make me larf :D
Oh dear :lol:
Can we get the New Era trophies as well as the Ducati ones? I think we pay the same entry fees as everyone else. Maybe Ducati would like to provide something else? Something different to a plastic trophy - I dunno, T-shirts or caps or sumfing? ;)
It's not that I'm a trophy hunter you understand - I just happen to like ummmm, cups?
How about some Pirelli caps as well?
It's nice to get something other than a 10 minute rush, for your £300 a weekend. Small items won't bust the bank of these companies will it?
Is that cheeky? I dunno. I think the DSC and DD are great adverts for any company. We can offer a lot - we DO offer a lot. Spread the love ;)
Give out prizes down the field. Ride of the day? Best newcomer/novice? Best impression of a bird of prey?
andys 900ss
13-Jul-2006, 23:06
Alan,
I agree with everything you say!!!
Can't wait to be a proper DD'r next year...
Andy
Can we get the New Era trophies as well as the Ducati ones? I think we pay the same entry fees as everyone else. Maybe Ducati would like to provide something else? Something different to a plastic trophy - I dunno, T-shirts or caps or sumfing? ;)
It's not that I'm a trophy hunter you understand - I just happen to like ummmm, cups?
How about some Pirelli caps as well?
It's nice to get something other than a 10 minute rush, for your £300 a weekend. Small items won't bust the bank of these companies will it?
Is that cheeky? I dunno. I think the DSC and DD are great adverts for any company. We can offer a lot - we DO offer a lot. Spread the love ;)
Give out prizes down the field. Ride of the day? Best newcomer/novice? Best impression of a bird of prey?
Holbeach were giving us Pirelli Caps, and if you entered 583 you'd be winning a scooter, but tis your own fault :P
Holbeach were giving us Pirelli Caps
Were they? What happened to that then?
and if you entered 583 you'd be winning a scooter
Yeah, that's an amazing prize from a tiny business. Well done Glyn & Kirsty :D
How about some Pirelli caps as well?
No, no, no. What we want are Pirelli Calendars. For everyone. So we don't, ummm, miss the start of the season, that's it yes. My garage wall certainly needs the 2007 Pirelli Calendar to help me focus on the job "in hand."
Best impression of a bird of prey
I can do an unladen European Swallow?
wait, that sounds a bit iffy!
On a serious note, what will happen now that the capacity of the Monster has been hiked up to 695?
Obviously the old big bore rules wern't particularly satisfactory due (sic) to the size of the valves in the engine, but things would be different with the new bike.
The thing is, that you'll have to include the new bike, as it is the latest model, and also, the older 620 i.e models will start to get in short supply. Mind you, they're the exact same price as a 695 :confused:
The 695 seems to have been built down to that price though, and only has the cheaper calipers as found on the sport classics, not the ex 916 brakes of the 620 and earlier models. Maybe that weakness, plus the retaining of the standard shock might be enough to negate any power advantage?
Just a thought, wouldn't want to decide to race in the series next year, then get told that the brand new 620 i just bought was going to be immediately outgunned by the 695 that ws now allowed in.
open class a for national licence holders properly, not just limited to those who have already raced in the series. would open this section up a tad.
keep class b for novice and clubman licence.
and dont make the top 3 in the champ points in 583 'have' to move up? surely they will want to go up of their own accord?
publish that the rules for mech that will definatley not be changed for 2007 NOW to stop any fannying about over the winter. I cant see any reason not to change them.
choose when to start the season by the end of this one and dont change it again
only have rider votes at race meetings if really needed
Gets my vote...
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 08:37
untimed practice? no way? ok I forget that... :(
I can do an unladen European Swallow?
wait, that sounds a bit iffy!
On a serious note, what will happen now that the capacity of the Monster has been hiked up to 695?
Obviously the old big bore rules wern't particularly satisfactory due (sic) to the size of the valves in the engine, but things would be different with the new bike.
The thing is, that you'll have to include the new bike, as it is the latest model, and also, the older 620 i.e models will start to get in short supply. Mind you, they're the exact same price as a 695 :confused:
The 695 seems to have been built down to that price though, and only has the cheaper calipers as found on the sport classics, not the ex 916 brakes of the 620 and earlier models. Maybe that weakness, plus the retaining of the standard shock might be enough to negate any power advantage?
Just a thought, wouldn't want to decide to race in the series next year, then get told that the brand new 620 i just bought was going to be immediately outgunned by the 695 that ws now allowed in.
why do we have to have the 695...??...the 620 offers competative racing and are fast enough for any of us......there are enough bikes in the market place to support spares for a long time yet....plenty of performance parts etc etc....
IF we have a 695 class the only people that will prolly enter it are 620 riders!!..leading to less again in 620.....i cant see anyone who wants to enter the DD saying " im not gonna enter cos there is no 695 "..no of course not.......
Keep it simple 620 OR 583 we struggle enough to get the numbers..let alone if we add a 3rd class.........................
Phil
I guess you don't have to have the new bike in the series, and you're right, there'll be plenty of used bikes and spares for use in the series I suppose.
I'm not concerned either way, I just wondered if anyone had any clarification of what the rules were going to be. It's just that I'd have thought the series organisers would want to keep up to date with what is happening machinery wise.
The simpler the better as far as I'm concerned. :)
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 08:49
The series doesn't need to be kept up to date, there are all other series for that.
DD needs to remain affordable and friendly, that's the most important points.
[QUOTE=Otei]I guess you don't have to have the new bike in the . It's just that I'd have thought the series organisers would want to keep up to date with what is happening machinery wise.
QUOTE]
Why would they.?..its our race series .!....the 620 monster is current !...and as Tonio quite rightly said , there are other series to run in if anyone wanted to run a current bike..the 695 is eligble for MT....or SoT
DD ..583 / 620.....affordable..simple...fast..competative...i ts a formula that works..ok we dont get 2 grids but we still field 40 bikes....how many other classes do that...................
we forget at time that we have a succesfull series ..
Phil
Rattler
14-Jul-2006, 09:20
Wot he sed !!!
Its our series, and we can decide what bikes we want in it. At the moment I see no need to include 695 bikes in it. This would only dilute the 620 entries.
Tim
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antonye
14-Jul-2006, 11:14
Oh isn't it cute!!
I like kittens :D
Yeah, deep fried are bestest.
Yeah, deep fried are bestest.
Mmmmm, with a sweet chilli dipping sauce!
Iconic944ss
14-Jul-2006, 11:48
Totally, totally unbiased suggestion.
COME TO CROFT
:devil::devil::devil:
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 11:56
open class a for national licence holders properly, not just limited to those who have already raced in the series. would open this section up a tad.
keep class b for novice and clubman licence.
and dont make the top 3 in the champ points in 583 'have' to move up? surely they will want to go up of their own accord?
publish that the rules for mech that will definatley not be changed for 2007 NOW to stop any fannying about over the winter. I cant see any reason not to change them.
choose when to start the season by the end of this one and dont change it again
only have rider votes at race meetings if really needed
get people on the rc who have the time to devote to coming to the meetings. not demeaning the present one but they have had a lot of other things happening.
just a few of my thorts but its just my ideas.
dom, you make me larf:D
What he said!!
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 11:57
[QUOTE=Otei]I guess you don't have to have the new bike in the . It's just that I'd have thought the series organisers would want to keep up to date with what is happening machinery wise.
QUOTE]
Why would they.?..its our race series .!....the 620 monster is current !...and as Tonio quite rightly said , there are other series to run in if anyone wanted to run a current bike..the 695 is eligble for MT....or SoT
DD ..583 / 620.....affordable..simple...fast..competative...i ts a formula that works..ok we dont get 2 grids but we still field 40 bikes....how many other classes do that...................
we forget at time that we have a succesfull series ..
Phil
thats my thinking!!
Awww a kitten :D :D
What were we talking about? Oh, racing, right ;)
I think it's been said. Keep the format as it is now, don't force the top boys out of 583 if they don't wanna go, sod the 695s off :) And you can only come and play if you're gonna share in the super loveliness of the DD paddock, no grumpy sods need apply :)
dickieducati
14-Jul-2006, 14:10
Totally, totally unbiased suggestion.
COME TO CROFT
:devil::devil::devil:
pins and eyes
weeksy2
14-Jul-2006, 14:12
You have to remember guys....
It's not just YOUR series.... it's the CLUBS series...
and the CLUB are backed by DUCATI UK.
If Ducati UK want the 695's in there... who's going to deny them ?
You have to remember guys....
It's not just YOUR series.... it's the CLUBS series...
and the CLUB are backed by DUCATI UK.
If Ducati UK want the 695's in there... who's going to deny them ?
It's not happening in 2007 - so it's a redundant arguement.
Incidently, if WE don't turn up - there isn't a series to belong to anyone is there ;)
weeksy2
14-Jul-2006, 14:18
I never said it was Dom, i was responding to the posts above about 695.
You could say the same about ANY class in ANY series in ANY club.
695's will NOT be racing in 2007.
We already have 2 classes which can't get their own grid - why not dilute it further and have a 695 class as well - just to ensure that everyone is equally pi$$ed off?
Dominic Clegg
14-Jul-2006, 14:29
i want to go to croft as well
any way whats the time table for sorting out next year we could have a meeting with riders and MT to sort this out i.e.when to get rules sorted by when to get tracks sorted by we could do this at a race meeting when we are all together.
i dont think ducati will push for us to race 695. its the brand ducati are interested in and we do a great deal with that.
i think the biggest thing we can do to improve dd is to get more riders invloved
Red bull up date :
had a meeting with them today and they seem very keen to help us out with a lot of little thing like lots of free red bull to riders and trophies and way next meeting is in december so i need to put together a presentation for them showing off how good dd is how we can promote there company and what they can do for us.
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i want to go to croft as well
any way whats the time table for sorting out next year we could have a meeting with riders and MT to sort this out i.e.when to get rules sorted by when to get tracks sorted by we could do this at a race meeting when we are all together.
i dont think ducati will push for us to race 695. its the brand ducati are interested in and we do a great deal with that.
i think the biggest thing we can do to improve dd is to get more riders invloved
Red bull up date :
had a meeting with them today and they seem very keen to help us out with a lot of little thing like lots of free red bull to riders and trophies and way next meeting is in december so i need to put together a presentation for them showing off how good dd is how we can promote there company and what they can do for us.
Good work mate, I like your style.
I do the odd presentation here and there for work so if you need a hand just let me know.
Cheers dude.
Awesome, nice work Dom C. If you need any help, give me a shout, I'm sure I can put some words and stuff together :)
Further distractions for naughty people, wanna see my puppies??
http://www3.sympatico.ca/roslinridge/images/gallery/German-Shepherd-puppies.jpg :p
couchcommando
14-Jul-2006, 14:51
Here's a novel idea lets just turn up and race :)
Thank God some of you don't put the same effort into racing as you do moaning.....;);) Lap records would tumble LMAO
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 14:53
Awesome, nice work Dom C. If you need any help, give me a shout, I'm sure I can put some words and stuff together :)
Further distractions for naughty people, wanna see my puppies??
http://www3.sympatico.ca/roslinridge/images/gallery/German-Shepherd-puppies.jpg :p
the tan one looks like my dog when it was a puppie,they dont stay like that for very long!!
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 14:55
Here's a novel idea lets just turn up and race :)
Thank God some of you don't put the same effort into racing as you do moaning.....;);) Lap records would tumble LMAO
well said!!! next year, i dont care who will be on the grid with me,all i want to do is race!!!!!!
couchcommando
14-Jul-2006, 14:59
well said!!! next year, i dont care who will be on the grid with me,all i want to do is race!!!!!!
Surely if you're on a 620 and a 583 is hassling you then drop behind them and learn from them, then when you've learnt use your hp advantage and smoke them :)
I just don't care, the series is great. Trying to get grids where no one on a faster bike gets in your way is ridiculous. I raced most of last year with a 25hp disadvantage, should I have complained about it ?
DD is the closest you'll get at club level to fixed hp and equal bikes and as such makes it as equal as it's ever gonna be :)
well said!!! next year, i dont care who will be on the grid with me,all i want to do is race!!!!!!
U say that now m8....when you are 4th lets say and u cant get passed the 3 fast 583's to challenge for 3rd spot podium place.....
THEN U will give a ****..until then shut up.. u aint raced dd yet so therefore dont have an opinion..if u wanted to race you could now ..so just step up or step off........................
http://www3.sympatico.ca/roslinridge/images/gallery/German-Shepherd-puppies.jpg
Is that the Korean equivalent of 'chicken-in-a-basket'?
Surely if you're on a 620 and a 583 is hassling you then drop behind them and learn from them, then when you've learnt use your hp advantage and smoke them :)
I just don't care, the series is great. Trying to get grids where no one on a faster bike gets in your way is ridiculous. I raced most of last year with a 25hp disadvantage, should I have complained about it ?
DD is the closest you'll get at club level to fixed hp and equal bikes and as such makes it as equal as it's ever gonna be :)
LOL sais "you "who have race wot twice in DD...??......just cos you are happy to play at racing and bang about at the back with the bhp disadvantage.....great woopee for you...some of us do care...........
Funny innit really the peeps who say " i dont care " " we dont care " never actually get anywhere.............................
PLONK.......................................glove down
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 15:08
Surely if you're on a 620 and a 583 is hassling you then drop behind them and learn from them, then when you've learnt use your hp advantage and smoke them :)
I just don't care, the series is great. Trying to get grids where no one on a faster bike gets in your way is ridiculous. I raced most of last year with a 25hp disadvantage, should I have complained about it ?
DD is the closest you'll get at club level to fixed hp and equal bikes and as such makes it as equal as it's ever gonna be :)
but you and me races in the allcomer heat,where you had 250,400,600,750.1000..all on the same grid.....I thought that was great.....
even when i race in the 600 class,bish 600 honda bike was pushing out 126bhp where mine was only 116bhp...but it didnt bother me!!!!
but think it would be good racing if the 583 started first with say 10 seconds head start...
but you and me races in the allcomer heat,where you had 250,400,600,750.1000..all on the same grid.....I thought that was great.....
even when i race in the 600 class,bish 600 honda bike was pushing out 126bhp where mine was only 116bhp...but it didnt bother me!!!!
but think it would be good racing if the 583 started first with say 10 seconds head start...
Yes but u bish were in the same class right.?...............
Once again i say the peeps who say they dont care or woteva ..are not the guys who's race or aspirations are directly affected.?............no.? yes.?
couchcommando
14-Jul-2006, 15:16
LOL sais "you "who have race wot twice in DD...??......just cos you are happy to play at racing and bang about at the back with the bhp disadvantage.....great woopee for you...some of us do care...........
Funny innit really the peeps who say " i dont care " " we dont care " never actually get anywhere.............................
PLONK.......................................glove down
Don't recall seeing you at the back of your class ? I don't care how the grids are mixed I really don't. I do care about my results but they are what they are. When/if a 583 is in front of me I'll learn from them. if I was on a 583 and I was the first 583 and had a 620 holding me up it wouldn't matter as there were no more 583's in front of me. If I'm on a 583 and I'm not in the lead (which would be the real scenario) and a 620 was hloding me up I'd have to learn to ride quicker as the only place to be is 1st.
As I said I spent most of last year in a class where the speed diff between my bike and the winning bikes was way more than the diff between a 583 and a 620, I got my head down and used the experience to learn and improve eventually getting well into the top 10.
The only thing if I was you that would slightly annoy me is not taking the chequered flag 1st, of course you will get to do that next year.
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 15:16
Yes but u bish were in the same class right.?...............
Once again i say the peeps who say they dont care or woteva ..are not the guys who's race or aspirations are directly affected.?............no.? yes.?
but i was saying the 583 should start first...only the fast 620 people will catch up with some of the 583 people!!
What he said!!
i thank you:)
i hope that altho i am not a racer and merely a bike owner that some of what i put could be listened to by the rider reps. but as i dont race perhaps i should get one of my riders to put all this down instead:rolleyes:
Skids, opening the licence to national for 620 might wel increase the grid in that class mate
seems it must be quiet at work for you lot with the foot stamping and also kittens here:p
couchcommando
14-Jul-2006, 15:19
but i was saying the 583 should start first...only the fast 620 people will catch up with some of the 583 people!!
take Oulton there was a 4 way battle for 2nd place in the 620's. just what mercy would they have given to the slower 583's when they caught them half way round the 1st lap !
but i was saying the 583 should start first...only the fast 620 people will catch up with some of the 583 people!!
too dangerous mate.
best to be split onto other grids like cb's or hairnets otherwise a 10 second start on same grid with 620s going first.
but hopefully there will be 2 grids so this is all hypothingy anyway:)
stumpy1
14-Jul-2006, 15:27
too dangerous mate.
best to be split onto other grids like cb's or hairnets otherwise a 10 second start on same grid with 620s going first.
but hopefully there will be 2 grids so this is all hypothingy anyway:)
yeah can see your point.......
lets just hope that there can be two grid for next year then.....
Don't recall seeing you at the back of your class ? I don't care how the grids are mixed I really don't. I do care about my results but they are what they are. When/if a 583 is in front of me I'll learn from them. if I was on a 583 and I was the first 583 and had a 620 holding me up it wouldn't matter as there were no more 583's in front of me. If I'm on a 583 and I'm not in the lead (which would be the real scenario) and a 620 was hloding me up I'd have to learn to ride quicker as the only place to be is 1st.
As I said I spent most of last year in a class where the speed diff between my bike and the winning bikes was way more than the diff between a 583 and a 620, I got my head down and used the experience to learn and improve eventually getting well into the top 10.
The only thing if I was you that would slightly annoy me is not taking the chequered flag 1st, of course you will get to do that next year.
if u were 2nd 583 and could not challenge for 1st because u had 3 620's in your way....then thats fine as you can learn from them...learn what.?...how to go faster in a straightline.?... i miss your point.?
The fastest lap on a 620 at Oulton Park was: 1:59.8
The fastest lap on a 583 at Oulton Park was: 2:05.62
Close enough to a 6 second PER LAP differential.
The fastest lap of the lowest placed 583 rider in the race was: 2:22.2
21.5 seconds PER LAP slower than the fastest 620.
If you had have set the 583's off 10 seconds ahead of the 620's at Oulton it would all be happening before the first lap had even finished. Madness.
Imagine the carnage of the front running 620 pack coming steaming through the back of the 583's. Just like the 4 way battle for 2nd place at Oulton.
That is just dangerous, and anyone who thinks that is the most logical solution is crazy.
The fastest lap on a 620 at Oulton Park was: 1:59.8
The fastest lap on a 583 at Oulton Park was: 2:05.62
Close enough to a 6 second PER LAP differential.
The fastest lap of the lowest placed 583 rider in the race was: 2:22.2
21.5 seconds PER LAP slower than the fastest 620.
If you had have set the 583's off 10 seconds ahead of the 620's at Oulton it would all be happening before the first lap had even finished. Madness.
Imagine the carnage of the front running 620 pack coming steaming through the back of the 583's. Just like the 4 way battle for 2nd place at Oulton.
That is just dangerous, and anyone who thinks that is the most logical solution is crazy.
how do the timings work out Tony if the 583 start on a 10 sec delay.?
We'll catch them 10 seconds sooner that we do now ;)
how do the timings work out Tony if the 583 start on a 10 sec delay.?
The slowest lap of the lowest placed finisher in 620's was: 2:15.8
Approximately 10 seconds per lap slower than the fastest lap by a 583 racer.
So 10 seconds if you reverse it, as opposed to over 20 seconds the other way.
The 583's would take twice as long to catch the 620's AND, the most important thing is, you can clearly see that the closing speeds are reduced by more than 50% which is quite obviously a LOT safer.
IMO
The slowest lap of the lowest placed finisher in 620's was: 2:15.8
Approximately 10 seconds per lap slower than the fastest lap by a 583 racer.
So 10 seconds if you reverse it, as opposed to over 20 seconds the other way.
The 583's would take twice as long to catch the 620's AND, the most important thing is, you can clearly see that the closing speeds are reduced by more than 50% which is quite obviously a LOT safer.
IMO
so if we are a combined grid a 10 second delay start for the 583's appears to be the best way forward.?......
Who agree's disagree's.........?
That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.
I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.
so if we are a combined grid a 10 second delay start for the 583's appears to be the best way forward.?......
Who agree's disagree's.........?
If practical, I'd like to see the gap a bit longer.
Using 20 seconds as an example:
The 583 riders will have approximately two laps before they hit the tail end of the 620's and this will give enough time to settle into some sort of order - of course there will still be battles etc I know. But this means that there will be more chance for the 583's to get 'established' before having to worry about carving through a field or slower riders.
I also don't think that 20 seconds is too much of an inconvenience for anyone.
Thoughts?
That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.
I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.
how right you are ...................
Im actually going to stop weighting my arguments in favour of the 583's....im the only person it seems to concern.....................
Funny really when im in 620 next year ( hopefully ) where it wont trouble me in the slightest
can we go race yet....................
That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.
I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.
Yes, but using Oulton as an example the riders there are quite spread out. So it would really only impact a couple of riders.
For combined grids I think it's the most practical solution.
From a speccys point of view.
Have reversed grids, fastest at the back with red lids, cover the track in shale how about a round at Odsal??
How about bonus points for style, a backflip over the mountain at Cadwell gets ya 10 points, a stoppie into Redgate 5 points.
Not celebrating a win with a wheelie sees ya docked a place?
Ray.
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 16:25
Im actually going to stop weighting my arguments in favour of the 583's....im the only person it seems to concern.....................
Sorry mate... we've got work to do here...
:lol:
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 17:21
i thank you:)
i hope that altho i am not a racer and merely a bike owner that some of what i put could be listened to by the rider reps. but as i dont race perhaps i should get one of my riders to put all this down instead:rolleyes:
Skids, opening the licence to national for 620 might wel increase the grid in that class mate
As this is my first post in this thread then you must have known I was at least following it Alan and yes I am taking note of suggestions.
As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship and have to consider what best serves the class they race in.
And combined grids i don't believe does, neither does starting them after the 620s have got a head start.
I asked in another thread what do we do about quallifying if we only have one grid next year (NOT something I want to see), so I am taking note of any suggestions that look as though they will increase grid numbers in class A but not at the exspense of class B, so I'm not keen to go back to last years of one class up to 620cc
I think class A needs opening up to attract more entrants, but I want to see Class B remain pretty much unchanged as the formula does work, it attracts entrants that have never raced before as well as those that haven't raced for years and one of the reasons it does this is because bikes can be put on the grid cheaply.
If we targeted race meetings at tracks with smaller grids such as mallory then seperate classes should be possible
As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship
I think you have very rosey, rose tinted glasses on Kev.
There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.
Where are these 30+ riders that keep on about????
You haven't once had enough for your own grid!!!!
You have a bad habit of making out Class B is brilliant and Class A is the problem - I suggest you look a little closer to home before pointing the finger!
30+ bikes indeed!!
Don't forget the people that are leaving Class B to join Class A as well - the grid will be more even next season, with closer to 20 in each class.
We don't need to open up rules to have 50 or 60 bikes, or seperate grids.
It simply won't happen. Next year we'll have 35-40 bikes, on one grid.
In the absence of separate grids, I recon starting all together in qualifying order like we do now is the best option.
There'll be the occassional pairing of 620/583 holding each other up at different parts of the track, a situation me and phil have found ourselves in a few times this year, but that ought to be less of a problem than those scenarios described above with the delayed start.
As for caps... don't get me started!!!
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 17:37
There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.
There were 12 class B bikes at Assen mate. So you're absolutelly totally fully wrong.
And yes, the B class is a perfect world.
:D
There were 12 class B bikes at Assen mate. So you're absolutelly totally fully wrong.
And yes, the B class is a perfect world.
:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I do apologise. I was looking at the results which of course don't include Captain Clegg.
All the same, there weren't enough Class B bikes for your own grid were there :frog:
I think class A needs opening up to attract more entrants, but I want to see Class B remain pretty much unchanged as the formula does work, it attracts entrants that have never raced before as well as those that haven't raced for years and one of the reasons it does this is because bikes can be put on the grid cheaply.
Opening up Class A to national licences would be the reason I won't enter next year. How many others would it cause NOT to enter the class, and would that be outweighed by the new riders attracted with a national licence?
I dunno, but needs considering cos by my way of thinking, opening up the class could easily result in lower numbers.
Dominic Clegg
14-Jul-2006, 17:43
it was 13 at assen as kev M had to pull out aswell
it was 13 at assen as kev M had to pull out aswell
I included him ;)
As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship and have to consider what best serves the class they race in.
Actually you're wrong.
You're a representitive - that means you represent the views of the Class B riders, not make suggestions on what you think should happen.
You're not Class B Chief Executive, you need to find out what the 30+ riders want to do. If you can find 30+ riders to ask.
Dominic Clegg
14-Jul-2006, 17:53
any way dom thats why we voted in skids to stick up for us and air view that would stand up for us
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 17:54
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I do apologise. I was looking at the results which of course don't include Captain Clegg.
All the same, there weren't enough Class B bikes for your own grid were there :frog:
I think the results include Dom, it's Kevin Mooney who's missing I think he had a bike problem between timed practice and race...
I think the results include Dom, it's Kevin Mooney who's missing I think he had a bike problem between timed practice and race...
http://www.ddracer.com/main/z_files/2006_RND3b.pdf
Dominic Clegg
14-Jul-2006, 17:59
i dont think we should talk about this grid thing as we havent got the number we just going to have to lump it and race together. what we should be real on about here is the qualifying at oulton for us only to do 2 lap was not on and we should of been let back out. i mean when it rain about only 2 drops of rain they let the 600 have 2 goes at it why didnt they just go on the 2 lap they did
come on let moan about this instead
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 18:06
http://www.ddracer.com/main/z_files/2006_RND3b.pdf
Sorry mate, that's not the official one...
So you're even wronger than wrong.
;)
what we should be real on about here is the qualifying at oulton for us only to do 2 lap was not on and we should of been let back out. i mean when it rain about only 2 drops of rain they let the 600 have 2 goes at it why didnt they just go on the 2 lap they did
come on let moan about this instead
Yes, you're right, it was unfair, but nasty old Domski was the one trying to get us all back out there. Oh well :rolleyes:
Sorry mate, that's not the official one...
So you're even wronger than wrong.
;)
The official one didn't split the classes. Can you give me a link to the official one?
Neither did anyone else.
That's just what I did at about 3am one morning when I got back from Holland - so that everyone could see the results better.
Jeez, I'm so horrible.
:lol:
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 18:15
Sorry mate didn't scan the results.
But I was joking of course, I'm sure you got it ;)
Sorry mate didn't scan the results.
But I was joking of course, I'm sure you got it ;)
You'd be correct ;)
:D
Rattler
14-Jul-2006, 18:37
Until both classes can meet the promised minimum number of entries as suggested to New Era, both classes will probably share a grid.
Or should the 583 riders get special treatment because they fail to meet this number by fewer? Its like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't.
Although I am the 620 rider's rep, I want what's best for both classes.
However, if there were more 583s, then they can have their own grid, and the 620s can go and play with the Hairnets. ;)
Tim
You can always count on someone to come along and ruin a perfectly good thread with common sense :lol:
:)
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 18:45
Come on Skids, say something...
Come on Skids, say something...
Yeah, tell us what everyone in Class B should be thinking.
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 19:03
I don't know about everyone but I think as Kev does :)
Tonio600
14-Jul-2006, 19:03
(about the current issue ;) )
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 19:06
I think you have very rosey, rose tinted glasses on Kev.
There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.
Where are these 30+ riders that keep on about????
You haven't once had enough for your own grid!!!!
You have a bad habit of making out Class B is brilliant and Class A is the problem - I suggest you look a little closer to home before pointing the finger!
30+ bikes indeed!!
I make it 25 Class B riders took part at Cadwell and Lucie would have took part if noyt for a bike problem
Castle Combe several class B riders did not enter for fear of not quallifying and loosing there money or didn't see it as cheap budget class racing (ie close their shop for the Saturday and lose income make a 500 mile round trip for 2 combined grid races
and a a timed practice) that lost 2 entrants to class B
Brands there were 24 entered in Class B, Stuart Smith didn't make it due to an emergency the day before and I know for a fact a couple more didn't enter because of the cost of entering Assen
speaking of which
where the hell does Assen figure into what is meant to be cheap championship club racing
Oulton as I said there was 24 and if Griff had been fit he would have been there
Phil Harris is currently in 32nd place in the Class B championship so if my maths is right I make that 32 riders having taken part in Class B races so far this year, so does that quallify as 30+ riders
Actually you're wrong.
You're a representitive - that means you represent the views of the Class B riders, not make suggestions on what you think should happen.
You're not Class B Chief Executive, you need to find out what the 30+ riders want to do. If you can find 30+ riders to ask.
What a load of **** Of course I can make suggestions as can anybody else (and you certainly make a few), any suggestions worth considering can then be voted on at a later stage.
As for people leaving Class B to race in class A, well the rules say the top 3 finishers in the Class B championship have to move up to class A, or race as non point scorers the following year in class B, so those hoping to finish in the top 3 are getting ready in advance.
Opening up Class A to national licences would be the reason I won't enter next year. How many others would it cause NOT to enter the class, and would that be outweighed by the new riders attracted with a national licence?
I dunno, but needs considering cos by my way of thinking, opening up the class could easily result in lower numbers.
Now I don't recall me mentioning National Licence holders but as you have, then it should be pointed out that some DDers already quallify for a National Licence and by the end of next season so could a fair few more.
Phil Harris is currently in 32nd place in the Class B championship so if my maths is right I make that 32 riders having taken part in Class B races so far this year, so does that quallify as 30+ riders
Only if you are putting 30+ on the grid, otherwise it's irrelevant. You could just have 10-20 riders turn up for a race but, you could hardly legitimately claim there was 30+ on a regular basis, could you?
I make it 25 Class B riders took part at Cadwell and Lucie would have took part if noyt for a bike problem
Castle Combe several class B riders did not enter for fear of not quallifying and loosing there money or didn't see it as cheap budget class racing (ie close their shop for the Saturday and lose income make a 500 mile round trip for 2 combined grid races
and a a timed practice) that lost 2 entrants to class B
Brands there were 24 entered in Class B, Stuart Smith didn't make it due to an emergency the day before and I know for a fact a couple more didn't enter because of the cost of entering Assen
speaking of which
where the hell does Assen figure into what is meant to be cheap championship club racing
Oulton as I said there was 24 and if Griff had been fit he would have been there
Phil Harris is currently in 32nd place in the Class B championship so if my maths is right I make that 32 riders having taken part in Class B races so far this year, so does that quallify as 30+ riders
Lot's of if's and but's.
FOUR of those 32 points scorers have only done one meeting!! So that's 28 'regulars' and one of them only did 2 meetings!
You haven't had 25 on a grid Kev. Admit it!
What a load of **** Of course I can make suggestions as can anybody else (and you certainly make a few), any suggestions worth considering can then be voted on at a later stage.
You're correct, you can make suggestions. You can even have an opinion on things, of course you can. However, you said "As rep for the 583 class I have to consider what best serves the class they race in." which is not the case is it. It's not up to you to make any decisions on what happens with the class. It's your job to liase with the class riders and then put forward the class opinion to the race committee - and that may not me your personal opinion.
As for people leaving Class B to race in class A, well the rules say the top 3 finishers in the Class B championship have to move up to class A, or race as non point scorers the following year in class B, so those hoping to finish in the top 3 are getting ready in advance.
I see that as the most seasoned racer in DesmoDue, you find yourself in 4th place. Will you be staying in the 'novice' class for a third season Kev, or are you ready to move up and give the novices a chance?
Now I don't recall me mentioning National Licence holders but as you have, then it should be pointed out that some DDers already quallify for a National Licence and by the end of next season so could a fair few more.
That doesn't mean a thing though.
Thousands of racers are eligible for national licences - even you!! So what are you doing in Class B?
It's up to the rider to apply for a national licence, but for most people there is no need, so they keep a clubman licence (or whatever it is).
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 19:35
Only if you are putting 30+ on the grid, otherwise it's irrelevant. You could just have 10-20 riders turn up for a race but, you could hardly legitimately claim there was 30+ on a regular basis, could you?
Another one at it where have I claimed there are 30+ on a regular basis
My words were
"As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship and have to consider what best serves the class they race in"
I think I can legitimately claim that there are 23+ class B riders on a regular basis at races in this country, which at every track we race at in this country would make up more than half of the grid
As it has already been suggested in other threads on this notice board or on the DD one that we should look at going to the likes of Mallory instead of the likes of Castle Combe in 2007, how will one combined grid work with 32 starting slots available, I can't see it being in the best interests of Class B.
I would like to see Class B grow futher and Class A at least get to the entry levels that Class B is regularly at, which is why for the second meeting running I have entered class A as well as class B and I'm not the only one to have done that.
Are we going to Mallory then?
How many people have signed up for 2007?
You don't get it do you Kev?
Don't play semantics with me over words. I don't have the statistics to hand but riders doing one or two races hardly constitutes doing a championship, does it? Therefore you do not have 30+ riders. The numbers on the grid say it all! You don't have enough riders competing otherwise you would have two races. End of!
The only thing that matters is riders on the grid.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 19:58
Lot's of if's and but's.
FOUR of those 32 points scorers have only done one meeting!! So that's 28 'regulars' and one of them only did 2 meetings!
You haven't had 25 on a grid Kev. Admit it!
Still far more than Class A and there are new entries to Class B joining in
You're correct, you can make suggestions. You can even have an opinion on things, of course you can. However, you said "As rep for the 583 class I have to consider what best serves the class they race in." which is not the case is it. It's not up to you to make any decisions on what happens with the class. It's your job to liase with the class riders and then put forward the class opinion to the race committee - and that may not me your personal opinion.
[QUOTE]
Never said it would be my personal opinion,
I have to consider what the riders in Class B want or to put it another way "As rep for the 583 class I have to consider what best serves the class they race in."
So if a ballot of the 583 riders is required to get a majority decision to take to the RC then thats what I will do,
[QUOTE=domski]
I see that as the most seasoned racer in DesmoDue, you find yourself in 4th place. Will you be staying in the 'novice' class for a third season Kev, or are you ready to move up and give the novices a chance?
Sorry Class B is not a novice class it is a cheap race class to enable DSC members to go racing. This is something I was campaigning last year when I was racing the same 583 as I am now against 675s and 620s , which is why I want to see Class B to continue to exist.
For the 2nd meeting running I have put in an entry for Class A as I have a bike that I can race in that class and I hope to be able to sell my class B bike to someone next year that wants to do a bit of cheap racing with a friendly crowd
That doesn't mean a thing though.
Thousands of racers are eligible for national licences - even you!! So what are you doing in Class B?
It's up to the rider to apply for a national licence, but for most people there is no need, so they keep a clubman licence (or whatever it is).
Why am I in class B, I've just given the reason above
So why are you in DD when your life ambition was to do the TT and then with British and Canadian racing you were going to be racing in MRO, after all you've beaten Moto GP regular James Ellison,
So what you doing racing in a one make series with a restricted entry are you about to move up at the end of the season
sniff ... sniff .... i think the dirty laundry is coming out again, maybe this might be better in DSC Topics before it gets out of hand.
Just an opinion, not a dig.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 20:11
You don't get it do you Kev?
Don't play semantics with me over words. I don't have the statistics to hand but riders doing one or two races hardly constitutes doing a championship, does it? Therefore you do not have 30+ riders. The numbers on the grid say it all! You don't have enough riders competing otherwise you would have two races. End of!
The only thing that matters is riders on the grid.
But I do get it
Combined grids with riders as reserves is not going to attract more entrants to the series, if we continually get restricted to single grids of 40 or less then the number of DD entrants are likely to drop.
I just can't see this as being in the best interest of the series no matter what class you are in and for some reason we are not attracting everyone that has a bike and has raced in the series back on a regular basis.
Reasons could be
People don't like being reserves
People don't like getting lapped
People don't think it good value
People are just fed up with it.
Another one at it where have I claimed there are 30+ on a regular basis
I think I can legitimately claim that there are 23+ class B riders on a regular basis at races in this country, which at every track we race at in this country would make up more than half of the grid
Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.
As it has already been suggested in other threads on this notice board or on the DD one that we should look at going to the likes of Mallory instead of the likes of Castle Combe in 2007, how will one combined grid work with 32 starting slots available, I can't see it being in the best nterests of Class B.
Well as class B regularly fields the most I can't quite see how class B suffers unless class A is given priority which, as you well know, is not the case. It's first come, first served.
I would like to see Class B grow futher and Class A at least get to the entry levels that Class B is regularly at, which is why for the second meeting running I have entered class A as well as class B and I'm not the only one to have done that.
Then get more on the grid. Make the series more appealing, make it simple, make the meetings 2 day affairs and move some of the meetings further north to attract northern riders.
So why are you in DD when your life ambition was to do the TT and then with British and Canadian racing you were going to be racing in MRO, after all you've beaten Moto GP regular James Ellison.
So what you doing racing in a one make series with a restricted entry are you about to move up at the end of the season
My ambition was indeed to do the TT (sorry for having one) and the one chance I had was taken away by the Foot & Mouth virus (different to the Foot IN Mouth virus you appear to have). The British Canadian racing thing was simply a name I came up with when I raced with a bloke from Canada for 2 meetings in 2003 on a bog standard ZXR400.
I did beat James Ellison you're right, only in a couple of races - but it's still true!
No doubt if you were faster, you would have beaten some top riders by now too. You've been around long enough. Who knows, one day you may be able to tell the story of the time you raced against Dominic Cann - but the response may well be "Who?"
What am I doing racing in a one make series? Well for a start, I'm eligible and secondly I'm winning. What are you doing?
This is my third full season too, the others being 2005 and 1998.
I really should be thinking about moving in to MotoGP :rolleyes:
But I do get it
Combined grids with riders as reserves is not going to attract more entrants to the series, if we continually get restricted to single grids of 40 or less then the number of DD entrants are likely to drop.
I just can't see this as being in the best interest of the series no matter what class you are in and for some reason we are not attracting everyone that has a bike and has raced in the series back on a regular basis.
Reasons could be
People don't like being reserves
People don't like getting lapped
People don't think it good value
People are just fed up with it.
You need to get things in perspective. This is the 2nd season only. The series is actually doing pretty well imo. It took 2 yrs before minitwins really got going and that is with the biggest club in the country.
Reserves are a fact of life in most classes in most clubs
If people don't like getting lapped then they need to up their game.
No racing is good value if you look at it in the cold light of day but, that's not why we do it, is it?
I've pointed out where I as an outsider think the series could be improved. I'd like to do the series but, I'm a national licence holder so that is me out of the frame...and one lost rider.
I'd like to do the series but, I'm a national licence holder so that is me out of the frame...and one lost rider.
Yeah, bloody national licence holders! Tsk!
Your bike is too slow for DD anyway ;)
You'll need a 975 next season, plus you can only enter Class B, and you're not allowed to beat anyone - got that!!
:rolleyes:
Yeah, bloody national licence holders! Tsk!
Your bike is too slow for DD anyway ;)
You'll need a 975 next season, plus you can only enter Class B, and you're not allowed to beat anyone - got that!!
:rolleyes:
You mean you have a 999 under the hood then?????
Sounds like a winning (sic) plan to attract us outsiders there Dom! :lol:
Zimbo16
14-Jul-2006, 21:09
My opinion:
I believe it quite likely at this stage that we will still be on a combined grid for at least some of the meetings next year. In that event I see no reason to change the current formula - send us all out together based on overall qualifying times, no delayed start for one group or the other. I see the logic in a 20 second delayed start for the class B bikes, i wouldn't have an objection to it. Obviously it would be preferable to have two grids, so we need to continue to attract new riders to the series.
The main reason the 583s are so popular is simply because they're cheap - you can race a £1000 bike and be reasonably competitive. 620s require a larger investment, and 695s would be much larger again - plus, if you want to race a 695 Minitwins would suit it perfectly!
695s should not be considered for 2007 or 2008 at least, to give second hand prices time to fall. Most of us racing have very limited budgets and have made an investment in our current bikes, forcing us to start again at a loss would not be in the spirit of the series.
As for track selection, I'm happy with the current lineup in general, wouldn't mind Mallory or Pembury to be included, perhaps at the expense of one of the Cadwell rounds. I enjoyed going to Assen and wouldn't hesitate to go again, it may cost a little more than UK rounds but it's worth it and the cost isn't that hude, £65 ferry crossing plus an extra 500 odd miles driving, lower entries offset the cost a little, and as a Ducati enthusiast it was worth the trip for the bikes and paddock experience alone!
Lastly, Skidlids seems to be getting a pasting here, he has my full support and I for one am very appreciative of the work he puts in to help make the series what it is. It does appear to me that some of the arguments in this thread are simply attempts at points scoring, and don't contribute anything positive at all.
Good points Graeme ;)
...although I thought your post tailed off towards the end :lol:
Lads, just go back and read the very first post on this thread PLEASE
its going way off topic and getting very personal to some of you:borg:
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 21:21
Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.
Not quite
This is DD and as such people register to enter the series (most pre season, this year there was 56 names pre season)and therefore have a say in what goes on, If a ballot is required then everybody that has registered for the series is contacted and that means as riders rep for the 583 class I can have up to 30+ opinions to be considered, which is what I have been saying but some people don't seem to get it.
If we only considered those that rode in every round it would be 13 in Class A and 6 in Class B (figures are low because of Assen round, So nobody go telling New Era we only have 19 regular entrants)
DD is the DSCs race series at present and was hoped to be different from other race series, but that distinction is fading fast and if it carrys on it will soon be just like other race series and I suspect will soon loose what remainder of the support it has within the DSC membership.
If the cost of class B isn't appealing I don't know what is, I know various DDers already taking part would rather we didn't race on Saturdays as they have businesses to run and therefore don't ideally want 2 day meetings.
As Glyn at the Scooter shop said, it costs him £400 to close on a Saturday, doesn't help meet the criteria of cheap racing for DSC members.
If we did more Northern venues we may attract a few more but we could also loose the strong contingent from the South Coast, Southampton and Portsmouth are a long way from Croft, they're not exactly close to Oulton or Cadwell.
My original post in this thread was just to say I was taking note and would be gathering the information and see how it was going to effect the 30+ registered entrants for Class B for which I have come in for a lot of stick.
Which about sums up the message board
This is DD and as such people register to enter the series (most pre season, this year there was 56 names pre season)and therefore have a say in what goes on, If a ballot is required then everybody that has registered for the series is contacted and that means as riders rep for the 583 class I can have up to 30+ opinions to be considered, which is what I have been saying but some people don't seem to get it.
So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?
I have two issues with that.
Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.
That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.
Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.
I made it 24 Class B bikes at Cadwell and 16 class A which looks like it will be the type of figures for the rest of the season so what we need for seperate grids is more class A bikes or drop them and just have 583s with a novice championship contained within it and settle for one grid
What a great idea. It's lucky Class B can sustain a grid...
I made it 24 Class B bikes at Cadwell
There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.
Oh dear, even Class B doesn't have enough riders.
just have 583s with a novice championship contained within it and settle for one grid
Great idea, we can just get rid of 24 x 620 riders, and just have a 583 class - pure genius!!
Lets face it we have heard DDs go on about how much we contribute to New Era's income but when it comes down to it Class B contributes more (up to 50% more) and still get the worse end of the deal.
Although as you later said...
If we only considered those that rode in every round it would be 13 in Class A and 6 in Class B
Not looking good is it. I know...
I have again entered both classes at Donington (yes the entry has been sent) in an attempt to bolster the numbers in Class A to try and help get seperate grids, but based on Oulton I have included a letter asking if its not possible for me to race in two seperate DD classes then just enter me in Class B and also in SV 650s if there is room.
You don't need to bolster Class A - all you need to do is get 25 people in Class B. Then you can have your own grid.
Or, you could just accept the fact that neither class has enough riders, and nobody is proactively recruiting new riders (I have got a friend racing at Donington though, and another entering next season) so therefore, we'll have to keep going as we are.
If Class B riders are that upset that they don't want to be combined with Class A, and you would know Kev, being the rider rep. I suggest you speak to Jim Parker and ask him to give you a grid for 24 or less bikes.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 22:14
So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?
I have two issues with that.
Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.
That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.
Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.
I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 22:14
So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?
I have two issues with that.
Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.
That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.
Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.
I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 22:14
So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?
I have two issues with that.
Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.
That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.
Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.
I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 22:14
So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?
I have two issues with that.
Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.
That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.
Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.
I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.
And as for not been able to ballot people that haven't competed could cause a few problems at the begining of each season, Those that have informed the RC that they have officially withdrawn from the series will not be sent a email by me for any ballots, but I can't recall seeing any emails to that effect although I have added people like Andy Sheppard to my list as well as Phil Clarke. Lin has said on the board she is no longer racing but she may change her mind, so to could possibly Glyn and Pshyclist but I doubt it as they have sold their bikes.
but dom my sweetie, skids has to collate the riders views which are never going to be the same, and from the info he gets he then has to decide on behalf of his constituants what's best. It's not for Skids to act as middle-man for each and every rider.
So yes, he does have to consider everything and then use his experience and common sense to come to a conclusion which is then presented to the committee.
And I sure hope Tim doesn't act on your behalf... I'd like him to try'n find middle ground between your opinion and mine if that's ok!
That's how I see it anyway!
So yes, he does have to consider everything and then use his experience and common sense to come to a conclusion which is then presented to the committee.
Like dropping Class A????
I didn't realise that was a common feeling amonst Class B riders.
Like dropping Class A????
I didn't realise that was a common feeling amonst Class B riders.
If that's the common feeling then it'll be proposed.
If that's the common feeling then it'll be proposed.
Seconded.
Doh! :lol:
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 22:35
Like dropping Class A????
I didn't realise that was a common feeling amonst Class B riders.
No its not common, the only person to mention it in this thread I believe is you
I mentioned it tongue in cheek in another thread where in the first post it was proposed only running one class up to 620
I'm hardly likely to make that a serious proposal having just built myself a 620,
neither do I see Dickies proposal in the best interests of Class B riders.
And lets face it this is how the day started off on the message board with a Class A entrant suggesting doing away with Class B and I suppose I'm meant to sit back be impartial and say nothing.
And lets face it this is how the day started off on the message board with a Class A entrant suggesting doing away with Class B and I suppose I'm meant to sit back be impartial and say nothing.
BINGO!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So then, how are we going to make DD better?
Anyone?
skidlids
14-Jul-2006, 23:11
We get at least 4 riders to move up from class B to class A and those 4 sell/loan/hire their bikes to people wanting to race in Class B, then we find at least another five riders for each class and we are about there on numbers.
Stay away from circuits with larger than average grids and go to some with smaller grids such as Mallory as we stand more chance this way of getting seperate grids
Keep a lid on costs by limiting championship to 6 rounds if only one day events (I wouldn't mind the odd 2 dayer with 4 races) and only allow droping of one race result (12 races with 11 to count)
Get the start of the season confirmed early, such as first round to be the weekend that the clocks change which is late March
And lets find out who among this years entrants intends taking part next year and who also intends to enter the series anew so we can understand the numbers we are most likely to be working with
Stay away from circuits with larger than average grids and go to some with smaller grids such as Mallory as we stand more chance this way of getting seperate grids
Yep, I agree :o
We need to get away from doing Superclub rounds with 15 classes etc.
Keep a lid on costs by limiting championship to 6 rounds if only one day events (I wouldn't mind the odd 2 dayer with 4 races) and only allow droping of one race result (12 races with 11 to count)
I like the idea of just 6 rounds (12 races) and dropping 1 race is good, coz at least it encourages people to enter all 6 rounds (good idea)
...and if we can go back to Assen, then that needs to be more of a 'fun' round rather than counting towards the main championship. Maybe we can arrange nice prizes - although I'd race there just coz it's such an amazing trip.
Get the start of the season confirmed early, such as first round to be the weekend that the clocks change which is late March
Agreed, or early April.
And lets find out who among this years entrants intends taking part next year and who also intends to enter the series anew so we can understand the numbers we are most likely to be working with
Yep. I'm 99% sure I'll be out there again (sorry). Barring any misfortune.
Nice one Kev ;)
...and a ban on ginger people!!
:lol:
Zimbo16
15-Jul-2006, 00:16
Would it help then to start a seperate thread where those intending to compete in 2007 could add their names to a list, giving an indication of which class they intend to contest?
Why not. This thread would put anyone off :lol:
ericthered40
15-Jul-2006, 00:52
It won't put me off :lol:
It won't put me off :lol:
A rampaging heard of 1,000,000 crazed Wildebeest wouldn't put you off :lol: :lol:
Having plowed through this thread it's put me off-and I'm part of the RC.................
It is nice to see that after all the ****ging Dom and Kev actually AGREED in the end!
John
Having plowed through this thread it's put me off-and I'm part of the RC...
You are? What was your name again?
It is nice to see that after all the ****ging Dom and Kev actually AGREED in the end!
It was all a wind up ;)
John
That's it, I knew I'd remember your name Andrew :D
Are you coming to Donington Monty? It's 13th August. The last race of my 20's :o
:)
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