DD Questionnaire - Your questions please!

[domski]

Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.


Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No

Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no

How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7

Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April

If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?

How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races

How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006

Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no

Would you like a long race? yes/no

Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no


There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?

[dickieducati]

agree this is a good idea but why dont we just have a 10 minute meeting at donny where the riders reps can note down and collate all the ideas. cant really see there being many contentious issues. some may like a few more/less meetings, races dropped or not but these are not crucial to anyone joining or leaving the series.

[kye]

Theres not many people doing Donny though isn't there? Wouldn't Cadwell Trackattack be a better idea?

[Paul James]

You've all been asked to send me your comments/thoughts and ALL will be considered when I compile the questionnaire.

It's always going to be difficult at race meetings Dickie, people beforehand have the racing in mind and are usually cream crackered afterwards. There is nothing to stop you doing that if you choose to but I need the input early next week.

I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))

[dickieducati]

I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))

no, no, i like it lets put it in!

[domski]

The thing is, you can ask any questions you like in the questionnaire - even Paul's joke one, or What's your favorite cheese?

It doesn't matter. There are no right or wrong questions.

It's up to the riders to give the answers, and ultimately shape the series. Simple.

[Paul James]

The thing is, you can ask any questions you like in the questionnaire - even Paul's joke one, or What's your favorite cheese?

It doesn't matter. There are no right or wrong questions.

It's up to the riders to give the answers, and ultimately shape the series. Simple.

Not being drawn on that one.

Can't be fairer than to consider all the email replies when putting the questionnaire together so once you've all decided what you want to suggest just send it as outlined in my email which you should all have received. Most of what you've got here is in already.

Over and out ;-))

[dickieducati]

saint auger probably

[stumpy1]

Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!

[stumpy1]

I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))

PMSL..........................

[fil2]

Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!

u should have registered with the RC and get the emails Ian.?.................

SHOULD...!!!!..Saying that and you raise an excellent point, Kelly is also entering next year and has registered.!..not sure she gets the emails either.?

Or are they for existing racers only.?

[skidlids]

How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please

[domski]

Not being drawn on that one.

Drawn on what? I was saying that there are no stupid questions. How was that a poke at you? Get a grip Paul.

Can't be fairer than to consider all the email replies

Yes you can...

ALL questions should be put in (DD ones, not the cheese one). Whether they seem a bit odd or not.

If a DD rider wants something asked, then it should be asked.

Transparency is what we like. Ask the questions that we would like to be asked. It's simple.

[skidlids]

Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!

Ian I did get your email about requesting the questionaire I have been putting out to 583 Class B riders but as you will be in class A, some of the questions would not apply to you, Maybe Tim (Rattler) as 620 Class A rep will send you a questionaire.

[domski]

How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please

So does that mean you'll be at Donington and Snetterton now then Kev?

You know, seeing as you're the rider rep.

Clearly trying to be as useful as possible.

You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.

[stumpy1]

Ian I did get your email about requesting the questionaire I have been putting out to 583 Class B riders but as you will be in class A, some of the questions would not apply to you, Maybe Tim (Rattler) as 620 Class A rep will send you a questionaire.

Ok mate........


Rattle...please sir can i have a questionaire....

glvrian@tiscali.co.uk

[fil2]

How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please

I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................

[dickieducati]

I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................

alright keep your hair on! who knicked the fruit out of your strudel?

[stumpy1]

I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo

that places has broken my arm twice now!!!!!it couldnt take a third time!!!lol

[fil2]

alright keep your hair on! who knicked the fruit out of your strudel?


IT came with no fwuit...................!

[domski]

that place has broken my arm twice now!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course it did ;)

Nuffink to do with the nut holding the bars then?

[domski]

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:

[stumpy1]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course it did ;)

Nuffink to do with the nut holding the bars then?


Maybe!!!!!! lol

[stumpy1]

Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.


Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No

Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no

How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7

Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April

If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?

How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races

How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006

Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no

Would you like a long race? yes/no

Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no


There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?

yes
YES
6
april
non points
all points to count
yes
yes
not mind
dont care

I'm happy with these one!!!!!if they can be sorted out for 2007 that would be great!!

[skidlids]

Following the Round at castle Combe there was a lot of discussion about avoiding high profile events and maybe DD should stick to club events and venues like Mallory, this has been followed up by discussions about avoiding Superclub events in the future.
Well the reality of this means that it may be necessary to run at Clun level events at venues like Mallory and Pembrey where grid numbers are limited to 32 and 36 places respectively.
This will again cause DD problems if entry levels are similar to this year and are therefore points that need consideration when making plans for 2007

If it is to be one grid and club venues then I will not be taking part next year as I will not want to be occupying a grid slot that should be going to someone starting out in racing.
If it is to be two grids then I will be entering class A.

As for Donington, NO I will not be there, I do not agree with how New Era have altered the meeting after I had sent in my entry and how they have dictated a change to the DD series.
I have heard Domski mention the word Boycott a couole of times this Year just before Castle Combe and last week about Donington, well I have chosen to boycott Donington and as usual he's having a go at me of doing so, which obviously makes me a hypocrite and a arse. Well it takes one to know one

[domski]

I have heard Domski mention the word Boycott a couole of times this Year just before Castle Combe and last week about Donington, well I have chosen to boycott Donington and as usual he's having a go at me of doing so, which obviously makes me a hypocrite and a arse. Well it takes one to know one

I'm not a rider rep. You should be setting an example. You've been bitching all year about not having a separate grid, and that far more 583's turn up - yet you're not even supporting the class you represent.

What use is a rider rep when he's racing with another club on the same day!

I'm definately not a hypocrite, although I can be an arse.

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:

[dickieducati]

although I can be an arse.

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:

first sensible thing i've seen you write for ages!

i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.

[fil2]

first sensible thing i've seen you write for ages!

i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.


absofooookinglutley...................

[fil2]

yes
no
6
april
non points
all points to count
yes
yes
not mind
dont care

I'm happy with these one!!!!!if they can be sorted out for 2007 that would be great!!


u dont wanna exclude 695's from DD in 2007....interesting .! i thought that was one of the reasons u bought the 620 was that THEY WERE NOT going to be around in 2007.?

[stumpy1]

u dont wanna exclude 695's from DD in 2007....interesting .! i thought that was one of the reasons u bought the 620 was that THEY WERE NOT going to be around in 2007.?


yes i do!!!!I got a bit carry away with my yes and no answers.........

I dont want to see any 695 racing in 2007 and 2008.....

[domski]

i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.

Yes, but I (foolishly) thought it would be a good idea for us to have a chat about it first, to get some ideas out there.

[dickieducati]

yes i do!!!!I got a bit carry away with my yes and no answers.........

I dont want to see any 695 racing in 2007 and 2008.....

yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but....................

[dickieducati]

Yes, but I (foolishly) thought it would be a good idea for us to have a chat about it first, to get some ideas out there.

no harm in that i just havent got anything to add to yours! pretty much covers it. i just added to exclude 695 for 2 years at least. to show continuity for people coming in.

[Ray]

[QUOTE=domski]
Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.
......................................


You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.
QUOTE]

Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray

[kye]

[QUOTE=domski]
Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.
......................................


You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.
QUOTE]

Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray

Do you race?

[Paul James]

Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.


Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No

Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no

How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7

Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April

If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?

How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races

How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006

Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no

Would you like a long race? yes/no

Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no


There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?

I'm sorry but I'm going to go against my own decision to not get drawn into these debates on the public forums and make one final comment before withdrawing from this thread.

The opportunity for all the riders to have a chance to get the right questions asked was given to you all in my quite straightforward email requesting your input. It didn't revolve around Dominic putting up this posting which has degenerated into yet another spate of bitching it's just another example of him not being able to leave anything alone and follow a simple, reasonable thought through procedure I'm afraid.

He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly *to work with us* so that the whole series is manageable. Apologies should have read *why he refuses to work with us*

Kevin has posed some interesting questions, quite how they are included in a workable questionnaire I'm not sure yet but they are food for serious thought IMHO and not just to be sneered at.

You all have a right to your opinions and to express them reasonably, flaming and overt aggression has no real place here though does it ?

The series will go forward into 2007 and will be a success, it won't be as a result of any individuals work or input and the best option overall is for a more cohesive attitude towards achieving that.

I'm all in favour of accepting help but there has to be communication for it to all work without causing chaos.

[domski]

Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray

You really can't help yourself can you Ray.

You're my little shadow.

That's 6 threads in a row now that you've followed me, quoted me, and had a little pokey poke at me.

I'm glad you're there to maintain me though, where would we be without people like you to antagonise people like me.

I can now see why you're such a valued member to the club. I must apologise to Jools next time you two aren't hugging.

Thanks for derailing the thread again after we were just back to the point.

Oh, and my comments aimed at Kev, were not positive because he had done the same thing as you - gone off topic and tried for the wind up.

[domski]

The opportunity for all the riders to have a chance to get the right questions asked was given to you all in my quite straightforward email requesting your input. It didn't revolve around Dominic putting up this posting which has degenerated into yet another spate of bitching it's just another example of him not being able to leave anything alone and follow a simple, reasonable thought through procedure I'm afraid.

I think you need to read the thread again to see why it degenerated Paul - it certainly wasn't due to me asking my fellow racers for positive ideas.

He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly to work with us so that the whole series is manageable.

I've been asked once, by Eammon, in March.

I've also made it clear on two occasions that I would be more than happy to give up more of my time to take on a role within DD should the MT so wish - but nothing has ever been offered, apart from wanting to take the unofficial forum and website and put it on the official server!

Kevin has posed some interesting questions, quite how they are included in a workable questionnaire I'm not sure yet but they are food for serious thought IMHO and not just to be sneered at.

But of no use for the rider questionnaire - which I explained to you in an email less than an hour ago!

You all have a right to your opinions and to express them reasonably, flaming and overt aggression has no real place here though does it ?

Can we include 'Provoking' and being 'Antagonistic'?

[kye]

I still don't get it, does Ray race? I've never met him in the paddock yet he always seems to have an answer and opinion on everything DD yet as far as I'm aware, doesn't actually take part??

[domski]

He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly *to work with us* so that the whole series is manageable. Apologies should have read *why he refuses to work with us*

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're still wrong, despite emailing me not 10 mins ago to tell me that I was indeed 100% correct when I reminded you that you haven't asked me to work with you.

Look I said (in the email)...

You haven't repeatedly asked me to help out at all. What you've repeatedly said is that you don't understand why I won't work with you - that's not the same thing.

...your reply to that was...

I will amend my post accordingly as you are in fact correct here.

That's not quite what you've edited in above is it?

I don't know why I'm surprised.

Just so people are aware, I've had 8 emails in 3 hours from Paul. A lot gets said off the forum. I know some of you think that I or DD riders in general moan a lot, but there is a bit more to it than that and I think that in the interests of transparency, people should know that.

[skidlids]

How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please

I feel the above are valid questions and need to be considered when negotiating with New Era or any other clubs with regard to them running the series in 2007. If a club or clubs decide they could run DD within there programme providing we were just one grid then many of the points I have raised will need to be considered.
It is not a given that we will be with New Era next year
It is not a given that we will get a grid per class
it is not a given that we will get to choose which circuits we race at

The last thing I want is to see DD carry on next year as it has this, we had riders who didn't enter Castle Combe as they did not expect to quallify, we had riders as reserves at Oulton and would have had the same situation at Donington if the format had not been turned on its head.

As I said earlier I will not run DD next year if its only one grid, there are riders out there that need a DD grid spot more than me. If its to be two grids then I will be there in Class A.
I would like to know which it is to be sooner rather than later and the answers to my above questions will give me the answer and as was mentioned in the DD emails today there will be talks going on with JP at Donington this weekend so asking a question about running DD at Club events next year is not to much to ask and if that was to be the case then different circuits with different grid sizes bring certain problems to a one make championship like DD, even more so when one grid can be made up of two classes where every rider on the grid scores championship points.

As for supporting DD, I paid for 4 DD races at Donington as per the regs, New Era turned this into one 12 lap race and 15mins timed practice, I feel they are using us and told them so and asked for my money back, the likes of Kye didn't enter for the same reason.

As the Class B Rep I am happy to tell New Era (it was in my letter to them) that DD is not Superclub and that the new format does not suit a race class like ours and therefore withdraw my entry but i'm not going to suggest that others should do the same, they can make up their own minds.

[Fastfasulli]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're still wrong, despite emailing me not 10 mins ago to tell me that I was indeed 100% correct when I reminded you that you haven't asked me to work with you.

Look I said (in the email)...



...your reply to that was...



That's not quite what you've edited in above is it?

I don't know why I'm surprised.

Just so people are aware, I've had 8 emails in 3 hours from Paul. A lot gets said off the forum. I know some of you think that I or DD riders in general moan a lot, but there is a bit more to it than that and I think that in the interests of transparency, people should know that.


I don't even feel like I deserve to comment because I have so little involvement in making the DD what it is now - so thanks to all those who do.

However:
Don't you think that this final comment about what gets said off the forum suggests that there has to be a meeting set up to involve all existing riders and get everything out on the table to get the running of the series and the format for next year sorted out. This way everyone can see and hear and have a say (if they so wish).

Franco

[Chris Wood]

I don't even feel like I deserve to comment because I have so little involvement in making the DD what it is now - so thanks to all those who do.

However:
Don't you think that this final comment about what gets said off the forum suggests that there has to be a meeting set up to involve all existing riders and get everything out on the table to get the running of the series and the format for next year sorted out. This way everyone can see and hear and have a say (if they so wish).

Franco

For a new guy, you speak a lot of sense. Well Done!

I'm also guessing you are the type of DD racer we need next year.

Can we please just go race yet?

Can't we all just get along?

FFS

[skidlids]

there has to be a meeting set up to involve all existing riders and get everything out on the table to get the running of the series and the format for next year sorted out. This way everyone can see and hear and have a say (if they so wish).

Franco

Franco that was the point behind the questionnaires that Tim and myself sent out I had 24 out of 31 replies (no reply from you) that have given the RC something to work with, certain questions have been answered with a clear majority while others are very close, on other questions many are happy to go with the flow. The RC/MT are now on to the next stage where they have conversed with the rest of the MT and will be putting out a draft proposal for next years series to the riders in the not to distant future (I know the original deadline was later this month).
What ever is decided will not be the be all and end all of it as the riders maydecide on a 7 round series and race club organisers want us to do 8 or only offer us 6 then DD may have to accept a few changes.


If the following Class B riders would care to reply to the email they were sent then we would have 100% replies

Kevin Palmer
Phil Harris
Franco Nisco
Richard Hathaway
Kieran Murphy
Kevin Mooney
Mark Foskett

[Fastfasulli]

Franco that was the point behind the questionnaires that Tim and myself sent out I had 24 out of 31 replies (no reply from you) that have given the RC something to work with, certain questions have been answered with a clear majority while others are very close, on other questions many are happy to go with the flow. The RC/MT are now on to the next stage where they have conversed with the rest of the MT and will be putting out a draft proposal for next years series to the riders in the not to distant future (I know the original deadline was later this month).
What ever is decided will not be the be all and end all of it as the riders maydecide on a 7 round series and race club organisers want us to do 8 or only offer us 6 then DD may have to accept a few changes.


If the following Class B riders would care to reply to the email they were sent then we would have 100% replies

Kevin Palmer
Phil Harris
Franco Nisco
Richard Hathaway
Kieran Murphy
Kevin Mooney
Mark Foskett


Kevin,

Sorry for not replying to emails. Work and home commitments have taken over my life. Will reply to emails tomorrow.


Thanks