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domski
26-Aug-2006, 00:46
The fastest average speed at any track was set by Geoff last season at Snetterton, 86.08mph.

Second fastest was the last meeting at Donington, and Glenn's lap of 83.70mph.

How about Cadwell Woodlands then? 60-something? It's pretty tight and twisty...






How about 75.30mph :o

I think that's pretty good considering how slow the bikes are (and a little bit interesting)

WeeJohnyB
26-Aug-2006, 17:12
bleedin eck, that's a shocker.

I would not have guessed anything like as fast as that for the woodland circuit. I must have a look at my speedo next time going through Hall bends!

WeeJohnyB

domski
26-Aug-2006, 17:52
Yeah, it's actually a faster average speed than the full Cadwell circuit!

That's also Geoff @ 73.17mph.

Amazing really.

NBs996
26-Aug-2006, 18:10
That's weired!
My best laps...
Woodland - 70.45
Full - 70.15

domski
26-Aug-2006, 18:15
Yeah it is weird innit. When you think the rest of Cadwell is very fast, how do you go even faster on the twisty stuff????

:confused:

NBs996
26-Aug-2006, 18:20
Well one factor might be gearing.
Dunno about others, but I used shorter gearing on the woodland, therefor accelerated faster. The gearing for the full circuit would slow down the woodland section I'da thought?

wilf
26-Aug-2006, 20:30
Are you looking at the average speed for the whole race?

Dont forget that includes the slow first lap from a standing start, this means you get a really slow laptime for the first lap of the full circuit but it wouldnt make any difference to the woodland circuit as you're not getting the benefit of the start/finish straight and going right almost as your off the line.

To check for real you'd need a lap time from each and know the lap distance of each, then you can get the real lap 'speed'

just an idea ?? ??

domski
26-Aug-2006, 20:32
Are you looking at the average speed for the whole race?

Fastest lap Wilf ;)

wilf
26-Aug-2006, 21:10
May sound daft, but following some of the fast DD guys round cadwell last week, i found that they are FAST through hall bends, bottom of the mountain and the last corner (whatever thats called), but, I seemed to fly by them mid corner at the first left hander, charlies and chris curve, so maybe there's something in it ?????

Rattler
26-Aug-2006, 21:49
May sound daft, but following some of the fast DD guys round cadwell last week, i found that they are FAST through hall bends, bottom of the mountain and the last corner (whatever thats called), but, I seemed to fly by them mid corner at the first left hander, charlies and chris curve, so maybe there's something in it ?????

Interesting - I was having to change down into Charlies One and then again going into Charlies Two - maybe its a torque / drive thing??? Were you flat out into Coppice?

wilf
26-Aug-2006, 21:53
Interesting - I was having to change down into Charlies One and then again going into Charlies Two - maybe its a torque / drive thing??? Were you flat out into Coppice?

Coppice is the first corner right ? if so, no! change down one then drive up the hill. sure i could go into it flat out but run out of nerve / skill.

domski
26-Aug-2006, 22:03
Coppice is flat on the DD bike, down one for Charlies 1 and another for Charlies 2 - although I don't like changing down on the way up the hill, but it's a wee bit fast otherwise :o

TP
26-Aug-2006, 22:03
I had the opportunity to follow lots of different riders up Coppice in all the groups. The pointy end of the DD field seemed to roll up there around 105mph - some quicker. On the 916 I was riding I was pulling somewhere around 140mph down the start finish straight and I reckon you'd have to be a fairly quick rider with some decent rubber to just chuck that into Coppice!

Rattler
26-Aug-2006, 22:06
Coppice is the first corner right ? if so, no! change down one then drive up the hill. sure i could go into it flat out but run out of nerve / skill.

OK - I was nearly flat out up Coppice (the first left) - will need to be on the race day!! then drive up the hill, down one for C1, flat out, down another for C2, then flat out down Park, ........ when going into Chris Curve I am flat out, and drive as far as I dare into the gooseneck (if I've got the part of the track right).

I reckon that we're (DD'ers) slower on the faster parts if that makes sense, because we've got less power and realistically closer to the limits of the engines and Diablos. Whereas in the slower bends we can match the bigger bikes as its less about power and grip and more about being partially insane.

Tim

domski
26-Aug-2006, 22:08
Whereas in the slower bends we can match the bigger bikes as its less about power and grip and more about being partially insane.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

NBs996
26-Aug-2006, 22:11
Slow down a bit there timothy... you know I won't be happy if you beat me at Cadwell!

Rattler
26-Aug-2006, 22:17
Slow down a bit there timothy... you know I won't be happy if you beat me at Cadwell!

You coming out to play then? I heard that you'd sold out and dragged the 996 out again ;)

Dominic Clegg
29-Aug-2006, 14:22
i was flat out into coppice and just rolled off the gas for charlies one as i found changing down ment trying to find it again around charlies 2 but all staying in top gear meant you could run around charlies 2 flat out

also found a lot of speed at barn with it being off camber id been wussing it but found that theres a lot of grip

couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 14:40
Coppice is flat on the DD bike, down one for Charlies 1 and another for Charlies 2 - although I don't like changing down on the way up the hill, but it's a wee bit fast otherwise :o

Maybe it is on a 620.......but who's on a 620 ;)

couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 14:41
also found a lot of speed at barn with it being off camber id been wussing it but found that theres a lot of grip

It's best to go in deep and spin the rear to turn the bike on the way out...

Dominic Clegg
29-Aug-2006, 14:48
600 doesnt have enough power. maybe in the wet but could end up on my arse

Otei
29-Aug-2006, 16:45
Something tells me Tony's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek when he made that comment Dominic.

Interesting point about the wet though, we'll have to get slidemaster Couch to show us on raceday at Cadwell! :D ;)

NBs996
29-Aug-2006, 16:53
You coming out to play then? I heard that you'd sold out and dragged the 996 out again ;)

yeah I'm coming to play at cadwell... so you'll have to pick your game up for october!

Dragged the 996 out for Donny a week after DD. Booked it ages ago for practice but then the date got changed - so the race ended up being practice for the track day!

Rattler
29-Aug-2006, 17:07
yeah I'm coming to play at cadwell... so you'll have to pick your game up for october!



I look forward to it - I'd best stay out of your way at Barn though!!! ;)

domski
29-Aug-2006, 17:44
Maybe it is on a 620.......but who's on a 620 ;)

I can't answer that without being libelous :lol:

All I can say is, it's flat chat on my ickle bike ;)

andys 900ss
29-Aug-2006, 18:28
Interesting one this,

I was changing down one going into Coppice, but holding the thottle wide open driving up to Charlies one and sometimes going down another on the entry, changing up one on the exit of Charlies two. Slow-in fast out, maybe.

I also got into fourth along hall bends and lifted the front slightly before going into the Hairpin? for which I got blank looks off some other DD'rs.

Andy

added: Now on the R1 it was a totally different track, eg: Going down park, as soon as I saw the corner it was on the brakes, where one the 583 you was waiting, waiting....

Tonio600
29-Aug-2006, 19:26
OK - I was nearly flat out up Coppice (the first left) - will need to be on the race day!!

It's weird, I do remember being flat out in Coppice last March (following Geoff's advice) but couldn't decently do it during the DSC trackday... There was always a little voice telling me "you won't go through" and then I backed off (a bit... but I knew shouldn't have).

I don't remember having made me bike faster since the beginning of the season...

...

GOT IT :D Now I do :)

Yes I did :D The bike went to MHP for Air Filter + Exhaust + Dyno kit and got 5bhp more (making it 49), so now I understand :D

Anyway, I'll have to tell shut the f***k up to the little voice in October :D

Tonio600
29-Aug-2006, 19:27
600 doesnt have enough power.

Enough for me :D

Loz
29-Aug-2006, 19:31
Antoine ... :lol: ... you tell the little voice, mate. :D

boggy 8
31-Aug-2006, 20:06
Enough for me :D


Thats because your riding a POGO bike

Tonio600
31-Aug-2006, 20:09
ha ha. I still doesn't know what POGO means :lol:

But you'll notice I'm trying to do something for my forks, so I got your point that my suspension could be improved :)