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couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 08:40
Some good discussions there, I can only assume someone spoke out of turn ? ?
Obviously the board is now moderated by a "dictator" wannabe!!!
Maybe from now onwards ALL future posts need to be vetted before they actually appear on the forum - that would make perfect sense.
Khushy
I've also wondered why there is a big anti swearing thing on here.
I'm not a big swearer but the odd **** here and there does'nt hurt anyone.
Apparentley though, 'young people' read this forum and their young minds would be damaged.
Why on earth anyone under 16 would want to read this forum is beyond me.
My son loves Ducati's but would he come on here? not a chance.
As for flaming etc, it's quite funny at times, we are not the 'Womens Institute' are we? (no offence board ladies)
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 09:29
Oohhh.
It was not hopefully something I said?
I don't mind a bit of banter being a bitter northerner.
I hope I did not over step the mark and bruise some delicate southern harley loving sensibilities on a DUCATI board.
If I offended anyone I apologise. xx
couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 10:07
I thought as discussions go it was a valid one. As business models go Harley Ducati and now Triumph all use the same one. That is to sell an inferior product by basing the buying decision on emotion and then present you with the 'extras' catalogue.
Luckily for all 3 marques that bike buying is still an emotional thing, if we were to base it purely on figures,costs,stats etc we would all be riding Honda appliances ;)
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 10:32
Sadly ultimately what iritates me, is the fact that we let our industies go to the wall, the Yanks kept funding Harley (out of patriotism) when natural selection should have killed it off.
I have nothing against yanks (I have friends out there, an expensive hi-fi and mountain bike all with the USA flag on it).
When the yanks do something they tend to do it to overkill proportions, which I admire, as long as there is no Harley logo on it the red mist stays at bay.
VanDaMauler
29-Aug-2006, 10:54
The threads being "Reviewed" by the web team???
http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/showthread.php?t=35439
I was looking forward to hearing the blinkered stereotype thoughts and views, awwww ******* ******* ***** **** can we have it back and un-edited please..
couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 10:57
Sadly ultimately what iritates me, is the fact that we let our industies go to the wall, the Yanks kept funding Harley (out of patriotism) when natural selection should have killed it off.
I have nothing against yanks (I have friends out there, an expensive hi-fi and mountain bike all with the USA flag on it).
When the yanks do something they tend to do it to overkill proportions, which I admire, as long as there is no Harley logo on it the red mist stays at bay.
If natural selection is the yardstick then say good bye to anything that isn't made in Japan.
There is a market for Harleys, they aint my thing and obviously not yours but I would have thougth the fact you ride a bike made by a small manufacturer that should also not be with us financially would make you sympathise with HD.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 11:22
If big business wants to put money into Ducati as an investment and it does not work, then thats life.
As customers of Ducati we end up paying due to the size of the company in higher purchase/running costs, but that is our choice.
Harley was bailed out several times as it was the only viable US bike manufacturer, not because it was any good.
This was supported by my bike riding American friends who were equally annoyed they were spending tax payers dollars keeping them afloat.
There are no blinkered stereotype views here!
Stu748R
29-Aug-2006, 11:37
Hee hee,here we go again...............
Iconic944ss
29-Aug-2006, 11:39
A few observations on the original thread - under review.
Its always difficult to gauge someones intent in a posting without the use of a smilie or some specific note.
I think the original thread would of been fine if it had simply gone along the lines of "A rider was too close behind traffic and nearly lost it" without lauching into what "looks like" an attack on Harley riders.
If its wasnt a dig at Harley riders and their lifestyle choice why were the extra comments made at the end of the thread?
Finally - the Webteam that is reviewing the post is composed of three people which includes myself, Eamonn and Mark - so a decision will be made by agreement.
Considered and respectful argument is always allowed on the board, which is why I'm pleased to see the discussion continue in that way - here.
Kind Regards - Frank
DSC Webteam
If natural selection is the yardstick then say good bye to anything that isn't made in Japan.
There is a market for Harleys, they aint my thing and obviously not yours but I would have thougth the fact you ride a bike made by a small manufacturer that should also not be with us financially would make you sympathise with HD.
Having worked with the Japanese for many years in the micro-electronics business I have good experience of them and I can assure you that what you say is not the case - they are not the yardstick and they are not the best by a long chalk. No one is. They are nt particularly good engineers or designers but, they are fairly decent at mass-production.
I thought as discussions go it was a valid one. As business models go Harley Ducati and now Triumph all use the same one. That is to sell an inferior product by basing the buying decision on emotion and then present you with the 'extras' catalogue.
Luckily for all 3 marques that bike buying is still an emotional thing, if we were to base it purely on figures,costs,stats etc we would all be riding Honda appliances ;)
I completely disagree with you. The 675 and Sprint ST are arguably class leaders and not inferior products. The other Triumph products are carefully targeted at niche markets and again are arguably as good as or better than the Japanese equivalents.
Harley don't really have a Japanese equivalent- they are in a class of one. Japanese "customs" are laughably sad. They more than Triumph or Ducati sell a lifestyle.
Ducati...well they have some problems atm as they aren't attracting new customers and aren't doing a particularly good job at retaining long-terms ones like myself.
couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 11:54
The 675 is a good bike and one I would consider but the build quality is not as good as a Honda, the price is not as good as a Suzuki all arguably the same type of bike.
The Japanese have got very good at producing reliable well built bikes at a price their mass producing lets them do. I don't think it's a good thing which is why we need HD,Ducati and Triumph but if we are to buy a bike purely on performance, build quality, reliability you can't argue against a Japanese one. Yes some are as good but none are better.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 11:55
They are nt particularly good engineers or designers but, they are fairly decent at mass-production.
I have found the Japanese to be very good at being able to go round in circles and eventually solve a problem in an (analitical way.....oops if I got it wrong), but seem not quite to have the styling flair of other countries.
That's why the Yanks do cruisers and the Japs follow the trend. Could you imagine American Chopper coming out of Japan initially?
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 12:00
The 675 is a good bike and one I would consider but the build quality is not as good as a Honda, the price is not as good as a Suzuki all arguably the same type of bike.
It's funny when people talk of quality, they use Honda as a yardstick.
I would always put BMW first, not because I've got one, but I think they will outlast any jap product.
couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 13:16
It's funny when people talk of quality, they use Honda as a yardstick.
I would always put BMW first, not because I've got one, but I think they will outlast any jap product.
You ever owned a BMW ? They are not a patch on Honda. Ask any non biased BMW owner about shaft problems, water based paints and corrosion !
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 13:33
You ever owned a BMW ? They are not a patch on Honda. Ask any non biased BMW owner about shaft problems, water based paints and corrosion !
Slight mis-understanding with my vague quote, I still have a Beemer, no problems really as of yet.
Used it to commute round M25 in all weather conditions and in winter time daily, most bikes you would see were Beemers as they will survive winter better than most.
:flame: :flame: Okay I see another sword fight coming. :lol: :lol:
My bemmers better than your Honda or it's pistols at dawn you "Cad". :frog:
Do you think there is enough smillies to stop it getting pulled?
VanDaMauler
29-Aug-2006, 13:45
Here we go....No blinkered, stereotyped views here...Not half...:lol:
Where do you lot get your info, from the bloke in a car park on a sunday?
I think so....
Listen to what you are saying.
BMW`s are better built then Hondas, Triumph are as good as Hondas (well the will be soon, when they start being built in Asia)
Harley`s Dont stop , go or corner.
Ducati`s have Chinese washing machine electrics.
BMW`s are for old blokes with beards and elbow patches on their jumpers.
KTM`s explode as soon as you fire up the engine.
etc etc etc...
I`ve heard all this and more, Nothing is perfect, everything has a flaw or weakness.
But its this stupid thinking (Ducatis/hondas/kwaks/ are the best etc etc)
that shows you up and tells anyone with half a brain that you dont have a clue, you know nothing about motorcycles, you aint a real "biker" and you are nothing more then a sheep following the herd.
And its this "in" fighting that will eventually see the nanny state kill biking completly.
If we cant even stand together for a passtime that we all enjoy (be it with power ranger suits or chaps and tassles) then what chance does motorcycling have...
This sort of I`m better then them argument is just pethetic...
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 14:04
Here we go....No blinkered, stereotyped views here...Not half...:lol:
Where do you lot get your info, from the bloke in a car park on a sunday?
I think so....
Listen to what you are saying.
BMW`s are better built then Hondas, Triumph are as good as Hondas (well the will be soon, when they start being built in Asia)
Harley`s Dont stop , go or corner.
Ducati`s have Chinese washing machine electrics.
BMW`s are for old blokes with beards and elbow patches on their jumpers.
KTM`s explode as soon as you fire up the engine.
etc etc etc...
I`ve heard all this and more, Nothing is perfect, everything has a flaw or weakness.
(Ducatis/hondas/kwaks/ are the best etc etc)
that shows you up and tells anyone with half a brain , you know nothing about motorcycles,
And its this "in" fighting that will eventually see the nanny state kill biking completly.
If we cant even stand together for a passtime that we all enjoy (be it with power ranger suits or chaps and tassles) then what chance does motorcycling have...
VanDaMauler,
Your comments are far too confrontational based which is why this thread will end up getting pulled also;
The BMW/Honda banter is being thrown back at Couchcommando for a bit of fun.
Direct insults like; "that you dont have a clue" and "you aint a real "biker" and you are nothing more then a sheep following the herd." are not called for.
Where were the; "This sort of I`m better then them argument is just pethetic..." comments made by anyone here?
Your just miffed about the fact that people don't like Harleys and your provacative comments about only riding hard on a superbike not an ST on a track is what sorts the men from the boys was neither asked for or required the other day.
Anyone who choses to ride a Bike as a lifestyle statement is ok by me, but just because I don't like your bike does not give you the right to direct hot air in my direction.
Lighten up!
VanDaMauler
29-Aug-2006, 14:13
And also, dont tell me that Ducati dont try and sell a "lifestyle" just like Harley davison.
http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/ducatiworld/ducati_people_2007/DP07_site_20060725/
Bikes are bikes, two wheels and an engine.
Thats good enough for me.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 14:20
If that's the lifestyle you want your welcome to it, because it does not interest me.
I own a few Ducati t-shirts and thats as far as my brand indoctrination goes beyond the bike and this club.
chicken
29-Aug-2006, 14:20
I'm better than all of you. Now shut up.
;)
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 14:21
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
philthy
29-Aug-2006, 14:27
Oh no you're not!
couchcommando
29-Aug-2006, 14:28
LOL, only the Hardley ableson owner is getting annoyed.......
Lets be honest Harley's do go round corners and do stop, they just don't do it quickly or am I missing something ? Maybe they will line up on next years motogp grid with a low bike and feet forward riding position and outcorner everything with their new found chassis technology ;) ;)
How anyone could ever deny Honda are the best made bikes I can't understand, the fact that they stopped making characterful bikes after the C90 tho is irrelevant.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 14:45
I have to admit to having a bit of fun, but have no need or desire to overly offend VaDaMauler.
I aggree on a Ducati site non italien s€x objects should be fair game for a laugh.
Couch's R1150GS was the rustiest, creakiest bike we've owned! It was dead easy to ride though, you couldn't feel anything it was doing, so you just ploughed on oblivious to the conditions :lol:
Anyway, can we all just get on and stop arguing. There's nothing better than my Kawasaki anyhow, so any further argument is pointless :p
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 14:57
But if I got my Mother to talk in the general dirction of your bike it would instantly explode unlike my BMW.
:frog:
That'd be called character if it were Italian ;)
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 15:01
Best keep my head down now, as I don't want to be seen as a war mongerer.
Best keep my head down now, as I don't want to be seen as a war mongerer.
Don't be soft :p
I'm just playing, I like all kinds of bikes, even dodgy German ones.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 15:14
Don't be soft :p
I'm just playing, I like all kinds of bikes, even dodgy German ones.
If you had followed the HD thread for the last few days you may have seen me getting more involved than normal, so I thought I best cool off.
I could quite happy spend all day giving as good as I get, besides isn't it me who is correct and everybody else is the idiot who has got it wrong?
I don't want to get a bad reputation or sensored as a vulgar young man now!
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 15:20
Well I now know who to avoid getting involved with in a PC debate.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 15:32
Couldn't believe it when at portishead in the classroom talking about "diversity" etc......that Pikey is now a racist term.Gutted.
I used to work with a girl many a year ago, my understanding was all the Pikeys came from Kent, she lived in "Royal Tunbridge Wells" and seemed to talk with great authortiy on the subject.
I'm amazed any of them made there way over to your neck of the woods.
jeff st4s
29-Aug-2006, 15:38
but most importantly....
1.Was she fit?
2. did ya get ya nuts in?
1. OOhh she was, very.
2. No the bosses wallet was far bigger than mine, so he had it all reseved for himself.
And he did take use of his reserves, several times and gloated, was most unfair for me and 3 other guys who worked for him.
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