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dickieducati
04-Sep-2006, 09:03
wasnt at snett so can i start the week of with 3 simple questions please?
1. who protested against dom?|
2. what was the reason?
3. and what was the outcome?
nice and easy ones.
Are we allowed to discuss such matters on this forum? I'm sure everyone involved will speak up if they can.
It was legal btw :)
1. :lol:
2. :lol:
3. :lol:
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 09:09
1. I Did
2. (a) I was encouraged to by the RC (b) there were suspisions that the bike was not within the rules
3. The bike was within the rules
That's it, simple as.
It was not malicious or personal on my part, but there were many murmors in the paddock and questions about the bike because it was so quick with Dom on board. It was time to put up or shut up, and the protest was entered.
Thankfully Dom and Chass's bike was found to be within the rules, and fair play to Dom for riding it so well and Chass for preparing such a well put together bike.
We, the riders, the RC and the rest of the club, now know the truth and this should end any more speculation within the paddock.
couchcommando
04-Sep-2006, 09:11
So the RC asked you to protest and you did ? Who's £250 was used for the protest ?
Surely not DSC money ?
Lets not forget those that missed the SOT race cos the bikes were impounded :)
Not the Race Committee :o
Who'd have thought?!?!?!?!
Incidently, I have no issues with Antony and I said so to his face yesterday after the result came back.
The race committee on the day were a shower of **** though, PJ wanted an arguement just as we were leaving for race 1. I had to force Chris to shake my hand to congratulate me on my win, and PJ refused to until the strip was done!!!
They didn't even bring the trophies!!!!!
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 09:27
So the RC asked you to protest and you did ? Who's £250 was used for the protest ?
Surely not DSC money ?
Lets not forget those that missed the SOT race cos the bikes were impounded :)
1. No, the RC did not ask me directly. There were discussions with various riders, and feedback (read: rumours) from the paddock which indicated that there was some suspision about Dom's bike. The RC agreed that if there was enough questions being asked then a protest should be made. I was the only person who was brave (read: stupid ;) ) enough to do that.
2. The protest was sponsored and no club funds were used.
3. No - see above.
4. Apologies for those that were stuck in the paddock, but that is down to New Era and the ACU. Remember that the protest rules are there for exactly this reason - to find out the truth and stop rumours - and it could happen at any time on any bike. The same happens at all levels in all classes from us right up to Honda in WSB, and that is why things have to be so tight from a legal and procedural perspective.
1. No, the RC did not ask me directly. There were discussions with various riders, and feedback (read: rumours) from the paddock which indicated that there was some suspision about Dom's bike. The RC agreed that if there was enough questions being asked then a protest should be made. I was the only person who was brave (read: stupid ;) ) enough to do that.
2. The protest was sponsored and no club funds were used.
3. No - see above.
4. Apologies for those that were stuck in the paddock, but that is down to New Era and the ACU. Remember that the protest rules are there for exactly this reason - to find out the truth and stop rumours - and it could happen at any time on any bike. The same happens at all levels in all classes from us right up to Honda in WSB, and that is why things have to be so tight from a legal and procedural perspective.
And that should be the end of it.....for the good of the DD ..... the questions have been asked and Antonye has given his answers.....
lets move on and work together for a better DD series in 2007............
Phil
Rattler
04-Sep-2006, 09:34
The whole situation stinks in my opinion - I think that the DD series is worse off because of this.
I heard no "murmors" in the paddock about Dom, yet it seems that a rider has been requested to protest another rider's bike because a non-rider asked him too. Can a non-rider request this???
I thought I was on the race committee but was not aware of any of this.
IMHO this is a personal attack that has been carried out through official channels and has no place in the DD.
Someone's got egg on their face this morning.
I will endeavour to understand the protest procedure fully and report it to all riders.
Thanks to AK, Butch, Chass for stripping the bike and wasting their Sunday evening.
The only good coming from this that I can see is that Dom has proved to be the best rider on a great bike that Chass has lovingly prepared within the rules.
We knew this before, but others (non-riders) it seemed were prepared to put personal agendas ahead of the best interests of the riders.
If I don't get a satisfactory response to my questions, I'm quitting as Rider's rep - no great loss to the powers that be I'm sure. There has been so much **** going on behind the scenes, but this seems to in my opinion to potentially "disrepute" the whole series.
The series should be run for the best interests of the riders, not to meet the personal objectives of a few non-elected individuals. A democracy or a dictatorship?
Tim
Rattler
04-Sep-2006, 09:37
1. I Did
2. (a) I was encouraged to by the RC (b) there were suspisions that the bike was not within the rules
3. The bike was within the rules
That's it, simple as.
It was not malicious or personal on my part, but there were many murmors in the paddock and questions about the bike because it was so quick with Dom on board. It was time to put up or shut up, and the protest was entered.
Thankfully Dom and Chass's bike was found to be within the rules, and fair play to Dom for riding it so well and Chass for preparing such a well put together bike.
We, the riders, the RC and the rest of the club, now know the truth and this should end any more speculation within the paddock.
You've now edited your post from "asked by the race committee" to "encouraged by the race committee" .
There will be no whitewash................!!!!
Were you "asked" by the race committee to change this or "encouraged" by them?
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 09:39
Were you "asked" by the race committee to change this or "encouraged" by them?
Encouraged.
Poor wording in my first draft that was edited to avoid confusion.
Either way, it still stinks.
You were "encouraged" by the people who are supposed to run our series for us, who should support EVERYONE in the series - without whom there would be no series either, and yet they basically ask a rider to protest another one AND "sponsor" the cost of it!
So who's sponsoring this protest if it's not you, and it's not the club?
Chris Bushell paying for it?
Monty paying for it?
Paul James paying for it?
The whole thing has brought a cloud over the club.
There MUST be consequences following this. The club has gone power mad and it now looks stupid.
Antony is the fall guy!
VanDaMauler
04-Sep-2006, 09:45
Jesus christ...
I didnt know the DesmoDue was full of this sort of bitchary....
I`m glad I didnt get involved, you`d all be stripping my bike every meeting looking for Nitrous bottles as whipped everyones A wholes. :lol:
Rattler
04-Sep-2006, 09:47
Encouraged.
Poor wording in my first draft that was edited to avoid confusion.
Anthonye - you have a PM
Tim
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 09:47
The way I see it -
Dom was being called a cheat.
The RC said the ONLY way to know for sure was to have a protest.
That protest was made.
Dom was found NOT to be cheating.
I understand that people are upset, it wasted time, people lost race time, and so on. But what has come out of it is that nobody can now say that Dom only won the Championship because he had a hooky bike.
Remember back to last year and the sniping that still continues about Geoff's bike? There will be no more of that for Dom's win this year. He won it fair and square, which now cannot be disputed by anyone.
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 09:52
Dom was being called a cheat.
.
By who - exactly ?
Can't believe this occured in what's supposed to be a bunch of friends going racing.
How can an engine protest be justified on a bike prepared by someone unable to strip the engine themselves?
How can a bike be suspected illegal when it can get outdragged by a 2002 5-speed unfaired monster (mine)?
And along with the riders previous race experience/successes??
It's a disgrace.
To answer your questions Dom, neither Chris, Paul the club or I paid for the protest. There were significant whispers within the paddock that some bikes-and yes yours was prime candidate since you are so quick on it-were 'bent'.
I watched the racing closely on saturday and was of the opinion that your bike was legal just you were riding it well-that opinion has been proved correct. So well done mate, you have ridden a good series and will be a worthy champion and no one can now whisper that your bike is not class legal.
You may all flame me to hell and gone if you like, but I actually think this will be good for DD-at least you now know for certain that the winners bike is legal just well ridden.
John
Fastfasulli
04-Sep-2006, 09:56
Just like to congratulate Dom and Fil firstly - great stuff.
Also:
I still consider myself a total novice at this racing malarkey but have some burning questions about what happened yesterday. Looking at the results sheet for race 1 stats read:
Dom - 1:23.00 Avg MPH 83.21
Ian - 1:23.59 " " 82.51
Kyle - 1:23.47 " " 82.35
The burning questions are:
1) What would lead a person to suspect foul play here?
2) Can the difference be down to rider ability?
Someone please educate me :-)
If people didn't start vicious, unfounded rumours in the first place, none of this would happen.
It's not good for the club, it's made us look pr@ts imo. All it's served to do is bring us, as riders/sponsors closer together in supporting a fellow racer who we all believe has been riding a perfectly legal bike all season. I'd be shocked if anyone was cheating this year, it seems so morally wrong to do that, especially as we're all mates out there. As for last year, well we weren't there, so can't really comment.
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 10:08
Agree with you Grib - All along no matter how much rubbish is getting thrown around the one thing thats always been excellent is the RIDERS.
Its about time the club took a good look at itself.
Well, having (at last) found out how to ride fast enough to get close to the front bunch, I know that most of the 620's are doing similar top speeds, DEPENDING ON GEARING cos snet was great for that. The thing that made the big difference was the corner exit speed, as griff on his 583 showed me by stuffing me on the inside at sears (more than once) with so much more corner entry speed and also getting the power down so much sooner than me that even tho my bike was faster than his, he still made it to the braking point under the bridge sooner than me, and then braked less there too !
We have a number of VERY good racers in DD now, and lots of them have set up their bikes REALLY well so they can carry corner speed confidently and make clunky old air-cooled engines (even 583s !) perform to their best. Spectating must be really good now, but trust me, mixing in with them is absolutely mint.
Respect :biaggi:
I just wish they would all publish all their set up details :(
Remember back to last year and the sniping that still continues about Geoff's bike? There will be no more of that for Dom's win this year. He won it fair and square, which now cannot be disputed by anyone.
Does that mean the series winner will need to have their bike pulled apart every year? Just so there's no sniping and disputes you see.....
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 10:41
Does that mean the series winner will need to have their bike pulled apart every year? Just so there's no sniping and disputes you see.....
Depends on whether or not people want to keep calling the series leader a cheat, I presume?
Does that mean the series winner will need to have their bike pulled apart every year? Just so there's no sniping and disputes you see.....
I reckon they should be forced to sell it actually.
Oh, they do anyway, dont they :lol:
To answer your questions Dom, neither Chris, Paul the club or I paid for the protest.
So who did then?
Coz Antony didn't.
Anyone care to own up?
I'm not going to flame you Monty. We had a good chat on Saturday and I felt progress was made. However I was a bit disappointed how my bike then got stripped for the very reasons that you had been talking about over lunch.
Can you imagine how fast we'll be with a full system, power commander, blue printed engine and revalved forks?!
Our bike only has a K&N filter and slip on cans - thats it!!
Anyway, we won and the RC lost - on several levels!
Is there anyone on the MT that can remember to bring trophies to race meetings? It seems like a hard one to master!!
Depends on whether or not people want to keep calling the series leader a cheat, I presume?
"People" keep being mentioned. I'd be interested to know who the people calling Domski a cheat were.
I'm reasonably new to the paddock and still in the process of meeting everyone, but no rumour ever reached my ears. Maybe I'm just too new.
Perhaps it'll just stir up trouble, I hope not, but if there were people genuinely concerned about the legality of Dom's bike I'd like to see them raise their hand to say they're happily proved wrong.
Does that mean the series winner will need to have their bike pulled apart every year? Just so there's no sniping and disputes you see.....
I have geoffs 620ss winning bike from 2005....do u want me to strip it now then.?....
antonye
04-Sep-2006, 11:11
"People" keep being mentioned. I'd be interested to know who the people calling Domski a cheat were.
I will say that I didn't believe that Dom's bike was legal because he was just so damn quick on it that he must be superhuman to ride it that fast.
The protest came as a culmination of paddock rumours. I am not going to provide a list of names of those who felt the same way - it is for them to stand up and be counted should they wish to. I know who they are, they know who they are too. I'm sure that there are more who I have not spoken to who also thought the same.
However, I have been proven wrong and I am truely happy to have been proven wrong - no matter what anyone thinks the motive was. Maybe the method was not the best/nicest way of having to do that but it was the ONLY way for it to happen.
"Maybe the method was not the best/nicest way of having to do that but it was the ONLY way for it to happen."
Absolutely correct-and that's how it happens in racing.
As it happens there are all sorts of ways in which you could modify a 583 or 618 bike to make it faster which are illegal-and for most of them the only way to prove it would be to strip the engine. I for one didn't believe that Doms bike was illegal-but it could have been-it has now been officially proved to be completely class legal. So once again, well done to Dom for riding the wheels off it and proving to you all that it can be done-and with only a K&N filter and slip on cans-so there is actually a bit more to come-not that it's needed................
Also very well done to Antonye for having the courage of his convictions-you may not all have liked it but it has silenced the detractors once and for all.
John
I will say that I didn't believe that Dom's bike was legal because he was just so damn quick on it that he must be superhuman to ride it that fast.
I have been fortunate enough to race in a number of series with people on very similar bikes to mine, and the same tyres, and see, time and again, that some people can carry unbelievable corner speed. Some of it is set up, and some of it is the rider, but when both are present, you witness the incredible. But it's true.
I find it awesome, not awful.
But I did love seeing inside chass' engine, cos it showed just how beautifully it was running - squish set to perfection, mixture absolutely spot-on, probably running avgas from the colour (forgot to ask).
In fact all the signs of a blueprint-level top end and meticulous set up, which is what all my classic racing contacts tell me is where you should always start before you do anything special.
"Maybe the method was not the best/nicest way of having to do that but it was the ONLY way for it to happen."
Absolutely correct-and that's how it happens in racing.
As it happens there are all sorts of ways in which you could modify a 583 or 618 bike to make it faster which are illegal-and for most of them the only way to prove it would be to strip the engine. I for one didn't believe that Doms bike was illegal-but it could have been-it has now been officially proved to be completely class legal. So once again, well done to Dom for riding the wheels off it and proving to you all that it can be done-and with only a K&N filter and slip on cans-so there is actually a bit more to come-not that it's needed................
Also very well done to Antonye for having the courage of his convictions-you may not all have liked it but it has silenced the detractors once and for all.
John
Wise words monty. I agree.
And I think it also proves that dom's results now show he is a candidate for a sponsor with money to burn in a bigger series :eek:
But I did love seeing inside chass' engine, cos it showed just how beautifully it was running - squish set to perfection, mixture absolutely spot-on, probably running avgas from the colour (forgot to ask).
You're joking aren't you?! :confused:
It's as it came out of Italy, and run on Shell Optimax (or whatever they call it now).
In fact all the signs of a blueprint-level top end and meticulous set up
:lol:
It's not blueprinted.... yet!
You're joking aren't you?! :confused:
It's as it came out of Italy, and run on Shell Optimax (or whatever they call it now).
:lol:
It's not blueprinted.... yet!
Like I said-more to come.
John
Like I said-more to come.
John
And not just from dom Huh...!!......im sure the rest of the field have had some good racing and will find more pace next year....Dom has not had it his own way all year ........ Andy Ian Glenn have all beaten him...............he has had to battle and that is racing...............
The Titles may have been won but there are still battle in Class B and A for 2nd and 3rd ......and those guys are battling hard for them.............lets not forget that
Phil
"Maybe the method was not the best/nicest way of having to do that but it was the ONLY way for it to happen."
Absolutely correct-and that's how it happens in racing.
As it happens there are all sorts of ways in which you could modify a 583 or 618 bike to make it faster which are illegal-and for most of them the only way to prove it would be to strip the engine. I for one didn't believe that Doms bike was illegal-but it could have been-it has now been officially proved to be completely class legal. So once again, well done to Dom for riding the wheels off it and proving to you all that it can be done-and with only a K&N filter and slip on cans-so there is actually a bit more to come-not that it's needed................
Also very well done to Antonye for having the courage of his convictions-you may not all have liked it but it has silenced the detractors once and for all.
John
Now all I have to do is rebuild my bike & pay the bill DD is supposed to cheap haaar bloody haaar.
rich-racing.co.uk
04-Sep-2006, 12:03
well - I was looking to join in the "fun" of DD next season, as it seemed to be just what club racing should be about - racing for the enjoyment!
how wrong can you be?
is it really so hard to believe dom is just a better rider, and a worthy champion?
anybody who has been involved in the protest and the whispers should take a long look at themselves, and measure their ego's.
this has really been shameful, and makes a mockery of the whole concept.
I read chass's post, and sincerely hope he doesn't pull out for next year. I fully understand why he feels this way though - a lot of time, effort and money has been given, and I'm not sure I would want to be back there next year after being treated this way.
you would be a loss to the paddock chass.
I hope the £250 goes to chass to help with the rebuild costs.
and dom, I hope the champagne just tastes sweeter now all the people who thought you may have been cheating have egg on their faces.
The Titles may have been won but there are still battle in Class B and A for 2nd and 3rd ......and those guys are battling hard for them.............lets not forget that
Phil
I think there are lots of people having their own little battles wherever they are in the points table.
I'm looking forward to Cadwell, hopefully just to improve my placings and times.
Big congrats to the series winners, and actually to everyone who is taking part. Without all the racers there would be no racing.
psychlist
04-Sep-2006, 12:03
It's been a long haul for both of you but you've both shown that your racing skills are the best, I hope to see you both competing in Class A next year? Should make the battles even more intense!
The Titles may have been won but there are still battle in Class B and A for 2nd and 3rd ......and those guys are battling hard for them.............lets not forget that
Phil
Very well said, and all the more reason to have had points awarded all the way down the field to ensure that all entrants get to be able to truly fight for their championship position :biaggi:
DD is cheap RACING - I have to pay 1000 - 1200 for a 5 speed close ratio cluster for my classics, and thats only the gears and shafts.
My classic tyres costs 120 -130 EACH.
I have to get squish pistons made specially at up to 150 each !
A bare race frame and swinging arm costs 1200
(I hope Sue doesnt see this :o )
Andy Ian Glenn have all beaten him...
...and Ali ;)
Also, the birthday boy beat me on Saturday, not that I'm being picky :lol:
The Titles may have been won but there are still battle in Class B and A for 2nd and 3rd ......and those guys are battling hard for them.............lets not forget that
Forget who? ;)
couchcommando
04-Sep-2006, 12:07
I can accept a rider putting a protest up if they think someone is cheating, I asked Antony this when he put it up and I am happy for someone to do that if they believe strong enough.
I don't like and fail to understand a group of people getting together and putting the money up between them. If any one of those people had any belief in their thoughts they would have put the money up themselves. As it was they had no belief in their thoughts so took the cowards way out, if you believe strongly in something you don't hide behind others and you really should have the balls to stand up and be counted. At least Antony has had the balls to stand up, the rest of them are pathetic.
if the idea was to make an example of the most dominant rider then in my honest opinion you got the wrong man because there is another champion who dominated his class like no other.
For me this was an attack on one rider simple as that.
DD is cheap RACING - I have to pay 1000 - 1200 for a 5 speed close ratio cluster for my classics, and thats only the gears and shafts.
My classic tyres costs 120 -130 EACH.
I have to get squish pistons made specially at up to 150 each !
A bare race frame and swinging arm costs 1200
(I hope Sue doesnt see this :o )
Phil you are missing the point, go polish your cup:D)
It's been a long haul for both of you but you've both shown that your racing skills are the best, I hope to see you both competing in Class A next year? Should make the battles even more intense!
I disagree. I think Phil should retire at the top :lol:
:D
DD is cheap RACING - I have to pay 1000 - 1200 for a 5 speed close ratio cluster for my classics, and thats only the gears and shafts.
My classic tyres costs 120 -130 EACH.
I have to get squish pistons made specially at up to 150 each !
A bare race frame and swinging arm costs 1200
(I hope Sue doesnt see this :o )
DD is not just CHEAP racing.....there are bikes out there that have had well over 5k spent on them......and there are rounds which have cost people well over 500 quid to enter........racing is not cheap...dd is not cheap....but it is one of the most cost effective ways to go racing.............
cheap....i laugh at that
I can accept a rider putting a protest up if they think someone is cheating, I asked Antony this when he put it up and I am happy for someone to do that if they believe strong enough.
I don't like and fail to understand a group of people getting together and putting the money up between them. If any one of those people had any belief in their thoughts they would have put the money up themselves. As it was they had no belief in their thoughts so took the cowards way out, if you believe strongly in something you don't hide behind others and you really should have the balls to stand up and be counted. At least Antony has had the balls to stand up, the rest of them are pathetic.
if the idea was to make an example of the most dominant rider then in my honest opinion you got the wrong man because there is another champion who dominated his class like no other.
For me this was an attack on one rider simple as that.
Well said Tony - I always liked you ;)
cheap....i laugh at that
...and your mother is a hamster!!
:lol:
dickieducati
04-Sep-2006, 12:16
I can accept a rider putting a protest up if they think someone is cheating, I asked Antony this when he put it up and I am happy for someone to do that if they believe strong enough.
I don't like and fail to understand a group of people getting together and putting the money up between them. If any one of those people had any belief in their thoughts they would have put the money up themselves. As it was they had no belief in their thoughts so took the cowards way out, if you believe strongly in something you don't hide behind others and you really should have the balls to stand up and be counted. At least Antony has had the balls to stand up, the rest of them are pathetic.
if the idea was to make an example of the most dominant rider then in my honest opinion you got the wrong man because there is another champion who dominated his class like no other.
For me this was an attack on one rider simple as that.
well said, totally agree.
its not the protest per se, its the manner of it.
if i thought someone was running an illegal bike and i was bothered enough by it then i would say so, put in a protest and hold my hand up afterwards if i was wrong.
ANY involement from the RC should be totally dismissed. if i understand the prcess correctly, it has absolutely nothing to do with them.
on another note.
the trophies issue has again been a joke.
i will offer my services for next season to take the trophies to each round, or make sure they get there if i cant make it and arrange a time for the presentation of said items at each round.
its obviously an area that needs some help.
rich-racing.co.uk
04-Sep-2006, 12:32
DD is not just CHEAP racing.....there are bikes out there that have had well over 5k spent on them......and there are rounds which have cost people well over 500 quid to enter........racing is not cheap...dd is not cheap....but it is one of the most cost effective ways to go racing.............
cheap....i laugh at that
I've made a small fortune racing.........
but i started out with a large one!:sniff:
Can't believe this occured in what's supposed to be a bunch of friends going racing.
How can an engine protest be justified on a bike prepared by someone unable to strip the engine themselves?
How can a bike be suspected illegal when it can get outdragged by a 2002 5-speed unfaired monster (mine)?
And along with the riders previous race experience/successes??
It's a disgrace.
It happens at all levels of racing. It's a fact of life - get used to it. Some rumours are true - the vast majority aren't. There is only one way to stop the rumours - enter a protest. The ability to protest a competitior's bike is enshrined within ACU regs - YOU all sign up to this when you get an ACU licence - you acknowledge that at any time anyone's bike may be protested. It's rarely done of course because few people have the bottle to do it in case they are proved wrong.
You have no reason to complain about this - the manner in which it may have been done may be somewhat dubious but, you cannot complain that someone's bike has been protested.
I really don't understand why the trophies weren't there? It can't be hard, there were enough DSC officials that between them, one could have fetched the trophies.
It made for a rubbish end to the day, waiting for our results while Chass's bike was stripped, everyone wondering what's going on then no trophy giving to get us all together after the confusion either.
on another note.
the trophies issue has again been a joke.
i will offer my services for next season to take the trophies to each round, or make sure they get there if i cant make it and arrange a time for the presentation of said items at each round.
its obviously an area that needs some help.
I support Dickie in his kind offer...!!......a meet at his marque or pit with guest rider if any.!...or with appropriatte presenter.!
good work Dickie.
I really don't understand why the trophies weren't there? It can't be hard, there were enough DSC officials that between them, one could have fetched the trophies.
It made for a rubbish end to the day, waiting for our results while Chass's bike was stripped, everyone wondering what's going on then no trophy giving to get us all together after the confusion either.
The trophies wern't there because they had no intentions of presenting them, I wonder why.
Trophies get presented when the racing is finished- simple.
I've made a small fortune racing.........
but i started out with a large one!:sniff:
Clown :lol:
Trophies get presented when the racing is finished- simple.
Yes, but you need to have them at the circuit to be able to present them.
Chris Bushell managed to forget them - again!
Easily done though eh?! :confused:
Maybe I've misunderstood - I was thinking end of season championship trophies. Doh! :(
The trophies wern't there because they had no intentions of presenting them, I wonder why.
Shame everyone else had to go home empty handed after their efforts just because one rider was protested. Ho-hum
It happens at all levels of racing. It's a fact of life - get used to it. Some rumours are true - the vast majority aren't. There is only one way to stop the rumours - enter a protest. The ability to protest a competitior's bike is enshrined within ACU regs - YOU all sign up to this when you get an ACU licence - you acknowledge that at any time anyone's bike may be protested. It's rarely done of course because few people have the bottle to do it in case they are proved wrong.
You have no reason to complain about this - the manner in which it may have been done may be somewhat dubious but, you cannot complain that someone's bike has been protested.
How very black and white!
I see no valid reson for a protest in this case, and no substance to any rumours (if there actually were any). A protest is not the only way to stop rumours, the best way to stop unsubstantiated rumour is to ignore it.
In this case, it would appear that the protest was constructed in retaliation to a rider very strongly voicing their opinion recently. All it's achieved was to put OTHER PEOPLE to much unnecessary grief and expense, cause unrelated riders to miss races and sink the series to it's lowest point. The action was very short sighted, and the ACU rules were just used as an excuse to do it.
There's a difference between using the rules and abusing them.
The reason is valid if the rumour is proved true. If you don't like the system then petition the ACU to change it.
The rules are black & white - they have to be otherwise we'd all be arguing over their application everytime the rulebook was exercised. It's the Clerk of the Course who ultimately decides if a bike can be protested - no-one else.
The C-o-C would normally listen to input from various people before deciding a protest can go ahead - I've never known this to happen on the basis of just one or two complaints. C-o-C's are normally pretty sensible and will weigh up the balance of evidence before allowing a protest to proceed.
He obviously felt that there was a valid reason - you should take up the issue with him instead of complaining here.
The reason is valid if the rumour is proved true. If you don't like the system then petition the ACU to change it.
The rules are black & white - they have to be otherwise we'd all be arguing over their application everytime the rulebook was exercised. It's the Clerk of the Course who ultimately decides if a bike can be protested - no-one else.
The C-o-C would normally listen to input from various people before deciding a protest can go ahead - I've never known this to happen on the basis of just one or two complaints. C-o-C's are normally pretty sensible and will weigh up the balance of evidence before allowing a protest to proceed.
He obviously felt that there was a valid reason - you should take up the issue with him instead of complaining here.
The C-o-C told me that a protest had gone in with the backing of the race committee.
So that would have convinced him I'm sure.
Even before they started stripping our bike I was told by another high up NE official that they have other circuit based equipment (speed related) and in his opinion my bike was no faster than anyone else's - but the strip had to go ahead!
Myself and Chass have no problem with a genuine protest, but I am still of the opinion that it was a personal issue with the RC - until proven otherwise.
It's also incredibly cowardly of the protest 'sponsors' to hide away and let Antony take all the flack. Just shows what a bunch of spineless morons they are - whoever they may be!
Then it would seem to me that the C-o-C may have allowed himself to be cajoled. In my experience, given the seriouslness of stripping a competitor's bike, normally a C-o-C will be very reluctant to allow a protest to go ahead without consulting numerous people including the chief scrut - the latter often giving the bike a close look over himself.
In any case, it is clear from Ant's post that there were quite a few rumours so, I think riders should be taking a look at themselves because that is where a protest comes from...fellow competitors. Not bystanders.
edit: This won't go down well but, it's true - if Ant protested on behalf of others then he is a fool. You set yourself up doing that.
The whole situation stinks in my opinion - I think that the DD series is worse off because of this.
I heard no "murmors" in the paddock about Dom, yet it seems that a rider has been requested to protest another rider's bike because a non-rider asked him too. Can a non-rider request this???
I thought I was on the race committee but was not aware of any of this.
IMHO this is a personal attack that has been carried out through official channels and has no place in the DD.
Someone's got egg on their face this morning.
you are so right tim. my opinion too
I have been on about a procedure since last season when a couple of bikes we know now were not running 'legally' were on the grid - the DLS ones which are both out this year without their illegal components (I stand to be corrected if wrong tho)
yesterday just showed up the petty mindedness of 3 bigoted people (not antony, who was merely a pawn thinking he was doing the best for the club) to use their power to wield such a nasty suprise, one of whom wasnt even at the meeting - you know who you are.
I quite agree with any bikes being stripped, but for the right reasons, and this instance was not one of those IMHO.
When I helped out Chass by stripping his bike for him it didnt take me long to see that the bike had never been majorly stripped down, other than normal belts and plugs as you would expect to find.
The only good coming from this that I can see is that Dom has proved to be the best rider on a great bike that Chass has lovingly prepared within the rules.
spot on
We knew this before, but others (non-riders) it seemed were prepared to put personal agendas ahead of the best interests of the riders.
If I don't get a satisfactory response to my questions, I'm quitting as Rider's rep - no great loss to the powers that be I'm sure. There has been so much **** going on behind the scenes, but this seems to in my opinion to potentially "disrepute" the whole series.
The series should be run for the best interests of the riders, not to meet the personal objectives of a few non-elected individuals. A democracy or a dictatorship?
Tim
again, so right.
you helped us out this week with the petty politics so we could have both and not just one bike on the grid.
thanks mate
dont go - but if you do - I want to know where you will be racing as we will come too, as we both feel as you do:alien:
I turn my back for 5mins and look what happens. All very sad indeed :(
Now will someone kindly put the results up please
PS If Chas/Dom bike is the fastest legal bike out there, can I have first refusal on it please.:)
Lads, this has made interesting reading, what is pleasing though and it shines through here,that most of the DD riders have a great deal of respect and tolerance of each other that I commend. I hope that by talking, as you have done on this board and no one has made an attempt at slacking or "loosing it" Mistakes have been made and trust maybe lost, I think in the future people should be more careful what there say and how they say it. We all have I own lifes to led, we all have our problems to bear maybe we could all go to Cadwell , have another Hog Roast. We'll all put a name in a hat and the winner will be lunch , just an idea. 4D
we could all go to Cadwell and a have another Hog Roast We'll all put a name in a hat and the winner will be lunch , just an idea. 4D
what a good idea:)
we could all go to Cadwell , have another Hog Roast. We'll all put a name in a hat and the winner will be lunch , just an idea. 4D
Plans are afoot already Pete ;)
'cept we're looking at an indian alternative - and I don't mean transferring your phone calls :D
More to follow :)
I turn my back for 5mins and look what happens. All very sad indeed :(
Now will someone kindly put the results up please
PS If Chas/Dom bike is the fastest legal bike out there, can I have first refusal on it please.:)
Make me an offer, do you want it in kit form or rebuilt.
Henners
04-Sep-2006, 23:23
... enter it in the Modified Ducati's Competition ... oh sorry, you can't can you?!?
... enter it in the Modified Ducati's Competition ... oh sorry, you can't can you?!?
It is modified the acu made sure of that.
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