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How to kill a passion...
I have been involved with racing for more years than I care to remember. I have raced or been part of many teams, clubs & associations and enjoyed every minute of it until yesterday.
I don't understand why the likes of Paul James, Chris Bushell, John Montgomery and Antony Espindola want to destroy a fantastic race series.
I decided to get involved with DD at the start of the season after following it last year and seeing what a great bunch of people you were, and most of you still are. So I bought a new bike, read the rules and joined up.
Full of all the usual excitement I enrolled Domski, paired up with Louigi and went racing. All was fine at first, then the politics kicked in for some reason that I don't understand. The above people IMO are determined to destroy the series with their selfish attitudes and bullying ways.Yesterday at snetterton was the final straw for me when our bike was protested by Antony with bullets made and paid for by the MT!!
This meant that I had to strip the engine of our bike (thanks Alan & Butch) to prove to these knobs that we are honest and playing by the rules.
This cost me and others several hours of hard work after along and tiring weekend, and a four hour drive home (THANKS ANTONY)
Now I don't have a bike, just a pile of bits.
I'm gutted.
It will take many more hours and more money to rebuild my pride & joy. More than the protest fee!
I don't know if I will return next year, certainly not as long as these knobs are running things!
Thank you for destroying mine and Domski's weekend when we should have been celebrating our championship win.
That's now off my chest.
Its a case of "dick dangling" just like this forum unfortunately - watch this post get deleted or censored cause its not QT!!!
Maybe they are just jealous?!?!?
Khushy
Mark Hill #36
04-Sep-2006, 11:30
I can understand your feelings.
But you are without arguement the "championship winners" if it helps.
Well done.
dickieducati
04-Sep-2006, 11:32
chass,
the most important thing to come out of this is that you and dom both rise above it are are out there again next year.
it sucks, but you are not the losers here.
I've got some Halfords spanners, let me at it, we'll have it together....with some bolts left over...in no time ;)
Its a case of "dick dangling" just like this forum unfortunately - watch this post get deleted or censored cause its not QT!!!
Maybe they are just jealous?!?!?
Khushy
If they delete this post it will just prove apoint.
How to kill a passion...????
Read any of the DD posts that talk about this boring string of sorry arsed events.
Let it go you won FFS
Its a case of "dick dangling" just like this forum unfortunately - watch this post get deleted or censored cause its not QT!!!
Maybe they are just jealous?!?!?
Khushy
Nice to see you involved in a positive note..............again * sigh*
Rattler
04-Sep-2006, 11:41
chass,
the most important thing to come out of this is that you and dom both rise above it are are out there again next year.
it sucks, but you are not the losers here.
Chass - you are a proven innocent party here and have in my opinion suffered more than othrs because of the short-sighted views of others. The timing of the protest was ill-advised and as you state, you should have been celebrating your championship win.
Others have also suffered; additional effort, missed races etc, but I feel that you have been such a strong supporter of the series that it is extremely unfair on you.
However, you and Dom have been proved to be the winners clean and clear. No questions.
Many, many congratulations to you Chass, you have produced a top quality, lovingly and legally prepared race bike that Dom has served you well by winning the championship.
We need you there next year Chass, - besides, who'd make the tea ;)
Tim
How to kill a passion...????
Read any of the DD posts that talk about this boring string of sorry arsed events.
Let it go you won FFS
It my not be your cup of tea if you don't like don't read it go somwere else.
couchcommando
04-Sep-2006, 12:09
How to kill a passion...????
Read any of the DD posts that talk about this boring string of sorry arsed events.
Let it go you won FFS
LMAO and you are ?
Altho this to me may tell the story of a bigger picture, just maybe the majority in DSC don't want DD anymore and this is an ideal way to alienate the series and the riders and force them all to move on.
I posted this earlier (it was the first response) but I think I may have deleted it by accident ... anyway, I went back in my browser history to retrieve it.
Chass
I, and many others, really enjoy having you in the paddock.
I think you have given dom something special this year, and I've really enjoyed seeing the results of all your teamwork.
We need teams like yours to show us privateers what can be done when you get organised.
And I'm not just saying that cos you got me my first road-racing cup.
Whatever the circumstances surrounding the protest, you have to accept that the right to protest and the requirements surrounding a protest are enshrined in ACU regulations. You sign up to this - it's an unpalatable and hard fact of racing life I'm afraid. I'd be dicked off as well but, that's the way it is.
I'm glad you were legal and above board - I'l pleased you guys have done well. I empathise with you having a bike in bits. It's a kingsize bummer but, thems the regs.
couchcommando
04-Sep-2006, 12:30
Whatever the circumstances surrounding the protest, you have to accept that the right to protest and the requirements surrounding a protest are enshrined in ACU regulations. You sign up to this - it's an unpalatable and hard fact of racing life I'm afraid. I'd be dicked off as well but, that's the way it is.
I'm glad you were legal and above board - I'l pleased you guys have done well. I empathise with you having a bike in bits. It's a kingsize bummer but, thems the regs.
I don't think most have an issue with the protest procedure or the fact it's been done. I think the problem lies with how it was done and who was behind the reasons for it being done.
I don't think most have an issue with the protest procedure or the fact it's been done. I think the problem lies with how it was done and who was behind the reasons for it being done.
Eggonfacezackerly!!!
Not only that, but whoever was behind this hasn't acheived the desired result as I've not been affected at all - whereas Chass now has his pride and joy in bits and he's very upset!
I have no problem with being protested - if it's genuine.
I also feel that Antony was pushed into doing this and at least he has the balls to stand up and be counted - unlike the 'backers' of this whole debacle.
Probably the same people who are brave behind a keyboard!!
Still, at least we can cheat like **** now :frog:
Quite. But those "rumours" were there nonetheless and they can only come from your "racing" colleagues.
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 12:47
You and Dom can hold your heads up high - disgraceful as the circumstances are and how personal this all looks - the end result is you guys won - fair and square and can put 2 fingers up to whoever is the mystery (door)knob!
Still, at least we can cheat like **** now :frog:
No you can't cos I'll protest you ;)
Every meeting. Cos I is sponsored. :p
No you can't cos I'll protest you ;)
Every meeting. Cos I is sponsored. :p
I never liked you :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's mutual you knut. :lol:
Well done by the way - last year I thought you were a bit of a tit with some of your riding and things you said - this year you've done the business.
It's mutual you knut. :lol:
Well done by the way - last year I thought you were a bit of a tit with some of your riding and things you said - this year you've done the business.
But still a TIT..just bigger n faster............lol
Chass, the pits won't be the same. You have made a such a good impact on the whole DD event as far as Im concerned, for sure I was very supprised and shocked at the way things went on at Snett and even approached both Paul and Chris to say what "---king hells going on " I was certainly not impressed . It seemed to some that your bike was a little to fast,may be now they will but it down to rider skills as I did . Please don't chuck away some thing that has meant so much to you and more the point us . I would like to no more about it and who paid up the £250 to pay for a wasted exersise . See you at Cadwell . 4D
See you at Cadwell
I'll bring your favorite beer :)
Dougducati
04-Sep-2006, 18:25
I would like to no more about it and who paid up the £250 to pay for a wasted exersise . [/QUOTE]
I bet we all paid for it. I dare say the club account was dipped in to for this one. Perhaps we should ask for a receipt!!
Did anybody notice their absence while the bike was being stripped? If I put in a protest I would want to see for myself that everything was as it should be.
Don't go Chass and Dom. You're both a massive asset to the club and the series. The series needs people like you. I just wish some people realised that. Certain people may feel the series belongs to them, but the fact of the matter is it belongs to the team owners, riders and sponsors and without them the series is worth diddly.
If the powers that be want people to walk away then they are going about things the right way. I just hope they think it's worth it.
Anyway on a positive note. Congratulations to Dom and Phil on their series wins. Keep up the good work. It's a pleasure to watch you at work.
Redruth
04-Sep-2006, 21:39
How to kill a passion...????
Read any of the DD posts that talk about this boring string of sorry arsed events.
Let it go you won FFS
Sorry, Keith but I have to take you up on this. Having met you and found you to be an extremely helpful and pleasant guy, encapsulating the spirit of the club for me very early on in my days as a member, I think you're being unnecessarily negative. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are not interested in the DD racing and you're obviously one of them, but there's more than enough room on this board for anything anyone wants to say and you can quite easily ignore any posts about DD. To put the DD side of it, there are a lot of people spending lots of their hard earned money and a great deal of time and effort to race Ducatis because they love them and want to be out there racing with like minded people. I'm far less involved in it than they are but I can see what a passion it is for them and, as with any passion, tempers can run high and people get upset. They also get jubilant and ecstatic. It's all on the board and it's not a bore for them or for anyone else who is taking an interest in the series. So, tolerance is the least they can expect, IMHO.
Rattler
04-Sep-2006, 21:44
Sorry, Keith but I have to take you up on this. Having met you and found you to be an extremely helpful and pleasant guy, encapsulating the spirit of the club for me very early on in my days as a member, I think you're being unnecessarily negative. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are not interested in the DD racing and you're obviously one of them, but there's more than enough room on this board for anything anyone wants to say and you can quite easily ignore any posts about DD. To put the DD side of it, there are a lot of people spending lots of their hard earned money and a great deal of time and effort to race Ducatis because they love them and want to be out there racing with like minded people. I'm far less involved in it than they are but I can see what a passion it is for them and, as with any passion, tempers can run high and people get upset. They also get jubilant and ecstatic. It's all on the board and it's not a bore for them or for anyone else who is taking an interest in the series. So, tolerance is the least they can expect, IMHO.
Well said Ruth
Ruth and others.
I have no problem with anyone getting excited about what they are doing within the DD series.
but when I came on this morning for a wee look at the Today's Posts. It was awash with the usual rants of the MT verses US debate.
the deep and loo down skulduggery of all those who dared think there might be something amiss with the said bike.
my comment was a little tongue in cheek retort to what had been written on this board of the usual I don't like it so I am leaving.
That's what I find boring.
And like I asked the other day when someone got very upset about some current events.
What sort of response was expected on this thread ?
can I only pop something down here if I agree with the attitude of the thread creator.
Nothing underhand has gone on.
No one has been caught out.
Im sure it was all very annoying and unnecessary. But that's the rules.
So move on.
Nothing underhand has gone on.
Are you sure about that?
It would appear that you're the only person to know for sure.
Can you explain how you know this please :)
Are you sure about that?
It would appear that you're the only person to know for sure.
more to the point.
are you sure something has.
because with the amount of name slinging and bad mouthing that has been started at the beginning of this thread.
some people would seam very set in there decision that something has.
All I said was it was a bit boring.
What are those of you who feel something has gone on going to do ?
keep moaning like wh0res
or do something a bit more constructive
bradders
04-Sep-2006, 22:17
keef - after the clog I got the other day, I am waiting for the same people to scream 'its bad for the club' ' why post this' ' no ones inerested' 'keep it positiive' 'go somewhere else if you dont like it'....seems to me Ruth has is spot on, what interests 1 may not interest another (I wish she had been around the other day :sigh: )....
I think your point is valid, its not 1 thread but many, but then this is the biggest event in the club (not a dig but genuine observation) and it is responsible for bringing in new blood, even if only for the racing.
Try DuN, I find it much more like this place used to be in posting terms, bit o banter with no need for seriousness, but then maybe its becasue this is a paid up club that people get all tectchy.
I was talking to a mate today who has won british championships, and he says one of the hazards of racing well is exactly what happened, he has been challenged loads of times over the last 30 years but never found as illegal.....just something he accepts. The issue he raised was a competeitor seeing what your bike had had done, and the improvements, timing etc which can legally make a difference, sure that doesnt apply here tho.
Keep on racing Dom!!
GsxrAge
04-Sep-2006, 22:23
I am so glad that I have never got involved with DD !
I also sorry and dissapointed in saying I cant wait to get rid of the Duke this weekend.
It strikes me as this forum/dd race serries is all about who ya know and if yer face fits !
Perahps ducatis should be for the rich and more af a status symbol because this forum is not like it was 2 years ago when I stumbled upon it.
A common mans Gsxr is the way forward for me !
Age
A person from the managment team rang me on Friday asking for information about camshaft lift measurement, this i couldnt answer, but was alerted that the rumor in the paddock was that somone was running 800 camshafts? I invited such person to strip my bike and check the lift of cam lobes to compare with the said illigal bike. This was not to happen, but the rumor was actually about the other Louigi Moto bike. I was asked by the management team member "what had been done to Doms bike" My reply was "only normal servicing"
They obviously didnt belive what I had said, Did they think I would lie to them? Not sure, but I thrive on my reputation.
I think this whole saga has caused me personly a lot of wasted time as now I have to reassemble a perfectly good bike, when I should be working, trying to earn a living.
more to the point.
are you sure something has.
because with the amount of name slinging and bad mouthing that has been started at the beginning of this thread.
some people would seam very set in there decision that something has.
All I said was it was a bit boring.
What are those of you who feel something has gone on going to do ?
keep moaning like wh0res
or do something a bit more constructive
I'm sorry Keefer, but you're being a tw@t here. If your pride and joy was stripped down NOT because someone genuinely thought you were cheating, but to get back at you after your rider had voiced an opinion, I'm sure you'd be pi$$ed off too.
You weren't there and clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and if you're bored by it all, then don't read any threads from the DD section - it's quite simple. I don't read hundreds of threads!
Thats right keep moaning Dom
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 22:41
Thats right keep moaning Dom
Out of order - this is hard earned money invested here by one and all in a DSC run ( for now ) Series -If you've nothing constructive to say why bother ? Its all in the DD section - stop being lazy and search the forums seperatly if it bugs you so much!
Keefer,
I am usually absolutely resolute in that I won't get involved in the politics of racing and forum bullcheese.
BUT, I have seen both sides of what has gone on here, and even in the short time that I've ben involved in the series, and the short time that I've known Dom, Chass, and all the other DD folk...it doesn't take a genius to work out exactly what has transpired here.
If you're the sort of geezer that can suss a genuine person from a fake one within a few minutes of meeting them (as I consider myself fortunate enough to be), then a couple of mins with Dom and Chass will reassure you that the most underhanded thing they'll ever attempt will be to steal your pie while you're not looking (Dom particularly).
You ask why get all heated up, why not just let it go and move on, it's nothing really is it?
Well, because you haven't risked your ass every race weekend to achieve what you've always dreamed of, and you haven't put your money, time and effort where your mouth is to help that rider achieve what he (and you) have always dreamed of, only to have a conflict of personalities and interests try to sour what should be one of the happiest days in your life, using the most insidious, underhanded, backdoor tactics known to mankind.
I've met an awful lot of the DD padock in the short time that I've raced with them, and there has never, EVER been the slightest notion that Dom was cheating. I would simply love to know who the "bunch" of riders were that supposedly grumbled enough to instigate a protest.
There is a serious amount of gayness going on with some of the guys in the field. I raced at Donny, finished sixth in my first race and was then informed that some riders had been complaining that I shouldn't be allowed to come into the series and take points off the championship leaders. Realistically, there weren't many people I could have affected in that race points wise. One of them that could have been affected put in the protest at Snett. My answer to the complaint was "tell them to F@ckin ride faster"
Whatever happens, Dom and Chass are the salt of the earth in this DD paddock. Lose them and you lose a lynch pin that cannot be replaced by pompous, self absorbed, supersillious public schoolboys.
Nuff said (probably too much, but balls to it, I'm furious about it all still)
Cheers,
Tim :)
There is a serious amount of gayness going on with some of the guys in the field. I raced at Donny, finished sixth in my first race and was then informed that some riders had been complaining that I shouldn't be allowed to come into the series and take points off the championship leaders.
Bl88dy hell, us straight guys in Class B have missed a trick here - Andy Sheppard turned up at Oulton, wins at Snet and all we said was "well done, mate"...........
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 23:01
Its the Gucci handbags that cause that Paul ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You should try on a nice feather boa, It'd suit you sir! ;)
On a seperate note (whilst I'm still annoyed by it all). Who in their right minds believes that anyone that thought cheating had been going on all year, would wait until the last but one round to make a protest? Why now, why not at the start, mid point, or last round?
Surely, If there had been suspicion from the mid point of the season, then someone would have "encouraged" a paddock pariah.....er, I mean competitor to place a protest way before now...way before the day that Dom only needed a few points to clinch the championship...on a day when all he would have needed was to slot the "legal" motor back in to avoid any inspection nightmares...surely?
You'd have to be an utter simpleton to swallow that kind of cr@p.
Zimbo16
04-Sep-2006, 23:17
Keefer,
I am usually absolutely resolute in that I won't get involved in the politics of racing and forum bullcheese.
BUT, I have seen both sides of what has gone on here, and even in the short time that I've ben involved in the series, and the short time that I've known Dom, Chass, and all the other DD folk...it doesn't take a genius to work out exactly what has transpired here.
If you're the sort of geezer that can suss a genuine person from a fake one within a few minutes of meeting them (as I consider myself fortunate enough to be), then a couple of mins with Dom and Chass will reassure you that the most underhanded thing they'll ever attempt will be to steal your pie while you're not looking (Dom particularly).
You ask why get all heated up, why not just let it go and move on, it's nothing really is it?
Well, because you haven't risked your ass every race weekend to achieve what you've always dreamed of, and you haven't put your money, time and effort where your mouth is to help that rider achieve what he (and you) have always dreamed of, only to have a conflict of personalities and interests try to sour what should be one of the happiest days in your life, using the most insidious, underhanded, backdoor tactics known to mankind.
I too keep well away from political issues too as a rule, all I want to do is turn up and be given the oportunity to race. We've all concerned about this though, because it's potentially a serious threat to the series we all love so much, and have invested so much in.
It's not that the protest happened - Anthony has every right to protest Dom's bike, provided he's prepared to pay the fees, I don't believe anyone has a serious issue with that. It's the fact that he's been sponsored to do so by persons as yet undisclosed, and "encouraged" to do so by the race committee, that we're finding hard to swallow. I'm another that has never suspected Dom's bike of being in any way illegal, and I've personally never heard any rumours or opinions expressed by any other riders to that effect either. I shall keep riding in the series (as long as there's a series to ride in) and I'll wait for all the facts to be presented before making any accusations, but it certainly looks more than fishy from where I'm standing, and it's easy to jump to the conclusion that the protest was pushed forward as a form of personal attack on Dom rather than being based on any real evidence. No doubt the true facts will come out over the next few days, and if that is the case then I would expect some action to be taken.
I too keep well away from political issues too as a rule, all I want to do is turn up and be given the oportunity to race. We've all concerned about this though, because it's potentially a serious threat to the series we all love so much, and have invested so much in.
It's not that the protest happened - Anthony has every right to protest Dom's bike, provided he's prepared to pay the fees, I don't believe anyone has a serious issue with that. It's the fact that he's been sponsored to do so by persons as yet undisclosed, and "encouraged" to do so by the race committee, that we're finding hard to swallow. I'm another that has never suspected Dom's bike of being in any way illegal, and I've personally never heard any rumours or opinions expressed by any other riders to that effect either. I shall keep riding in the series (as long as there's a series to ride in) and I'll wait for all the facts to be presented before making any accusations, but it certainly looks more than fishy from where I'm standing, and it's easy to jump to the conclusion that the protest was pushed forward as a form of personal attack on Dom rather than being based on any real evidence. No doubt the true facts will come out over the next few days, and if that is the case then I would expect some action to be taken.
IF you read the origonal post it names the peple responsible I have proof.
Rich you should be aware that some time ago a comment was passed on this board about someone runing 800 camshafts...I can't remember who said it and it was in jest..it might even have been Dom - so, my point is that it's quite easy to see how the question of 800 cams would crop up.
Secondly - as you are undoubtedly aware - Dom was pulled up for running a SuperCorsa at some stage (Snetterton I belive).
It's against such a background that it doesn't take a genius to see how people can draw conclusions no matter how erroneous they are.
A person from the managment team rang me on Friday asking for information about camshaft lift measurement, this i couldnt answer, but was alerted that the rumor in the paddock was that somone was running 800 camshafts? I invited such person to strip my bike and check the lift of cam lobes to compare with the said illigal bike. This was not to happen, but the rumor was actually about the other Louigi Moto bike. I was asked by the management team member "what had been done to Doms bike" My reply was "only normal servicing"
They obviously didnt belive what I had said, Did they think I would lie to them? Not sure, but I thrive on my reputation.
I think this whole saga has caused me personly a lot of wasted time as now I have to reassemble a perfectly good bike, when I should be working, trying to earn a living.
I'm sorry Keefer, but you're being a tw@t here. If your pride and joy was stripped down NOT because someone genuinely thought you were cheating, but to get back at you after your rider had voiced an opinion, I'm sure you'd be pi$$ed off too.
You weren't there and clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and if you're bored by it all, then don't read any threads from the DD section - it's quite simple. I don't read hundreds of threads!
Be a bit clearer Dom - do you seriously believe you were being got at for voicing an opinion and that having the bike protested & stripped was a consequence of that opinion? What was the opinion you voiced?
Henners
04-Sep-2006, 23:28
... you have decided to be the fall guy here, I don't know why you are protecting your 'sponsors' however it does you little credit, because until you disclose their names then people will continue to guess and that can't be healthy for the club or the series. Time to put the record straight.
phoenix n max
04-Sep-2006, 23:32
Hasnt he already said he was 'encouraged' by the race committee ?
Rich you should be aware that some time ago a comment was passed on this board about someone runing 800 camshafts...I can't remember who said it and it was in jest..it might even have been Dom - so, my point is that it's quite easy to see how the question of 800 cams would crop up.
OK, how about this...
Jeez, how lucky was it that I was running a light flywheel ;)
Anyone gunna protest that one? Just in case like.
:lol:
Secondly - as you are undoubtedly aware - Dom was pulled up for running a SuperCorsa at some stage (Snetterton I belive).
Diablo Corsa actually... as a result of seeing them on other bikes at previous rounds.
Although I lost my points.
What happened when Geoff Spencer ran a 680 big bore kit at Cadwell (and everyone knew before the race started!) and won both races? I believe he kept his points and even had his bike made legal - paid for by Ducati UK - according to Baines themselves (as I was told by another reputable DD rider who spoke to Baines afterwards).
It's against such a background that it doesn't take a genius to see how people can draw conclusions no matter how erroneous they are.
The simple fact is Nige, that I pi$$ed PJ off. Nothing else.
Everything that happened on the day and in the build up to the meeting proves this. Things were said on the day that also back all this up. Anything else is pure conjecture.
Those are the facts!
He also said there were plenty of rumours floating around. It takes more than a race committee to be responsible for that. Those sort of rumours come from other riders or those involved with them.
Be a bit clearer Dom - do you seriously believe you were being got at for voicing an opinion and that having the bike protested & stripped was a consequence of that opinion?
I entirely believe that to be the case.
What was the opinion you voiced?
Have you been away recently?
:confused:
OK, how about this...
Jeez, how lucky was it that I was running a light flywheel ;)
Anyone gunna protest that one? Just in case like.
But that is exactly how rumours start Dom. That is the point I am making although coming from you.... ;)
Diablo Corsa actually... as a result of seeing them on other bikes at previous rounds.
It doesn't matter what tyre it was - only that it wasn't permitted. Sure you did your time but, again the point I make is that people will draw conclusions from those episodes so, in context, it become easy and obvious how you may be accused of cheating.
What happened when Geoff Spencer ran a 680 big bore kit at Cadwell (and everyone knew before the race started!) and won both races? I believe he kept his points and even had his bike made legal - paid for by Ducati UK - according to Baines themselves (as I was told by another reputable DD rider who spoke to Baines afterwards).
That's a rumour. It is not substantiated. You need material evidence. Material evidence is precisely why the bike was stripped.
The simple fact is Nige, that I pi$$ed PJ off. Nothing else.
If that is the case then it's a poor show indeed. If, however, your bike was stripped because there was good reason to believe you were cheating then it's understandable.
Here's a bit of rational thought for the lynch mob. Now please read what I say properly before jumping on a bandwagon - I am an impartial observer with no axe to grind.
1. Dom has previously infringed the rules & should have known better - known fact.
2. Dom is doing much better than last year when he was nowhere - known fact
3. Dom is winning the championship - known fact
4. Dom has made comments about 800 camshaft (we'll assume it's a known fact - winging it but stay with me on this)
5. Rumours circulating in the paddock re. cheating going on - known fact
The point I am making is that it's an easy and understandable conclusion to come to that Dom might be cheating.
It's a crying shame that someone might use this sort of situation to their advantage with an alternative personal agenda motivating them - nonetheless it is easy to see how rumours of cheating can exist.
andys 900ss
04-Sep-2006, 23:50
I have been watching clubmans races since I was 0 yrs old and can see a good rider over another.
You, Dom, are awesome and when you went passed me on the 'superpole' qualifying at Oulton, I followed for as long as I could and could see how well you ride the bike and it gave me some tips how to ride these things.
Well done mate, your the series winner, dont forget. And well done to Phil too! It seems the celebrations need more emphasis!!! These guys have worked damn hard!
Our swimming club won Sat night before and we had cheers, group photos and presentations....
Andy
I entirely believe that to be the case.
Have you been away recently?
:confused:
If that is the case - you being got at - then action should be taken. Proving it to be the case might be a bit difficult.
Well I know you're a gob****e but, I am not aware of anything you have said here that is contentious enough or bad enough to give cause for you to be singled out for special treatment...which is why I ask for it to be clarified.
I am an impartial observer with no axe to grind.
Is that an axe grinder I can see behind you?
:D
2. Dom is doing much better than last year when he was nowhere - known fact
It's also a known fact that I had a slow bike last year, and my previous form (albeit a few year ago) proves that I am a good racer - or was - and now am again :)
3. Dom is winning the championship - known fact
Yes I did :D
4. Dom has made comments about 800 camshaft
I've said rude things about the RC too, but nobody has protested - what's your point ;)
The point I am making is that it's an easy and understandable conclusion to come to that Dom might be cheating.
Not judging by what's been said on here - and in the paddock, but I can see how you're thinking what you're thinking. You're being sensible again aren't you!
It's a crying shame that someone might use this sort of situation to their advantage with an alternative personal agenda motivating them - nonetheless it is easy to see how rumours of cheating can exist.
Uh huh :rolleyes:
I have been watching clubmans races since I was 0 yrs old and can see a good rider over another.
You, Dom, are awesome and when you went passed me on the 'superpole' qualifying at Oulton, I followed for as long as I could and could see how well you ride the bike and it gave me some tips how to ride these things.
Well done mate, your the series winner, dont forget. And well done to Phil too! It seems the celebrations need more emphasis!!! These guys have worked damn hard!
Our swimming club won Sat night before and we had cheers, group photos and presentations....
Andy
Thanks Andy, not sure I'm quite that good though ;)
Do you know who won the second Class B race at the weekend? I think it was the same bloke who smashed the lap record by 3 seconds!!
Well done to you too ;)
Bl%dy ringers :lol:
You're being sensible again aren't you!
Are you insulting me again. :o
Seriously though, with all the feathers flying it is very easy to lose sight of things and rational thought goes out of the window. All I am trying to do is present an alternative view of things.
andys 900ss
05-Sep-2006, 00:13
Thanks Dom, maybe nice to have something to show for it tho???
Andy
Thanks Dom, maybe nice to have something to show for it tho???
Andy
Yeah, sorry for being protested and that :rolleyes:
Scroll down to Lap & Race Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Sporting_Club_DesmoDue_Championship) ;)
Dom, just to set one record straight. Geof Spencers bike was legal at 670-the rule was changed later. We were advised by a Ducati expert that there were no big bore 620 kits available and none were likely to become available until this year-didn't stop the Baines brothers from making their own though did it......... Geof offered to reduce the capacity of his bike back to standard if we could come up with some barrels for him, a lot of favours were called in and barrels obtained.
The bottom line is he wasn't cheating so kept his points, you weren't cheating(as I stated earlier having watched on Saturday I never believed you were) and have kept your points and won the championship-so once again well done and well ridden. As I think I said to you at the end of last year it's about time your class showed-well you have shown it all year.
John
The bottom line is he wasn't cheating so kept his points
Any idea why his bike had hi-comp pistons in then when it was sold?
The difference is, everyone now knows that I didn't have to cheat or spend £000's on my engine to win DD - where as we can only take your word for it that Geoff's bike was legal.
Fact and fiction.
Any idea why his bike had hi-comp pistons in then when it was sold?
The difference is, everyone now knows that I didn't have to cheat or spend £000's on my engine to win DD - where as we can only take your word for it that Geoff's bike was legal.
Fact and fiction.
so where do I stand then............as Geoffs 2005 winning bike is in DD circulation still..............................!
And i know its no faster than Tims, couchies, erics or even woods 620ss...........as we had some ding dongs on the trackday.................!!...................and i have ridden 3 620's now....
but there are doubters still it seems.?
Phil
so where do I stand then............as Geoffs 2005 winning bike is in DD ciculation still..............................!
And i know its no faster than Tims, couchies, erics or even woods 620ss...........as we had some ding dongs on the trackday.................!!...................and i have ridden 3 620's now....
but there are doubters still it seems.?
Phil
Tony had standard pistons put back in.
Just don't pi$$ the RC off and you'll be fine ;)
Tony had standard pistons put back in.
Just don't pi$$ the RC off and you'll be fine ;)
unless i strip it how do i know.?........thats the point innit.!!...........with all this doubt im reluctant to ride in the 620 class if im honest.......or have we decided that when you win now its cos you have ridden a better race.!>?.
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Fil...nothing to worry about with that one now, SPR stripped and rebuilt it with the regs in their hands. Any doubts, give them a shout :)
unless i strip it how do i know.?........thats the point innit.!!...........with all this doubt im reluctant to ride in the 620 class if im honest.......or have we decided that when you win now its cos you have ridden a better race.!>?.
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I won't be protesting you mate.
If you win it's coz you're faster.
The guys you race against will soon know if anyone is cheating or not. Not sure how Antony knew how fast Chass's bike was from so far back, but there you go. At least it wasn't all based on rumour!! ;)
Chris Wood
05-Sep-2006, 12:58
Doubters, doubters, doubters,
Let them get in the ring and play, ignore the fuggers....
I've got his 2006 bike and your right, your isn't faster than mine, nanananana.
LOL.
so where do I stand then............as Geoffs 2005 winning bike is in DD circulation still..............................!
And i know its no faster than Tims, couchies, erics or even woods 620ss...........as we had some ding dongs on the trackday.................!!...................and i have ridden 3 620's now....
but there are doubters still it seems.?
Phil
Doubters, doubters, doubters,
Let them get in the ring and play, ignore the fuggers....
I've got his 2006 bike and your right, your isn't faster than mine, nanananana.
LOL.
maybe not but to finish first, first you got to finish........................oooh.....
LOL...
ps......ATTENTION DOUBTERS....Woods 2006 bike from geoff got 6bhp more than mine so go protest woodsy..he got the fastest 583 and now the fastest 620......
" protest woodsy protest woodsy "
LOL
Chris Wood
05-Sep-2006, 13:06
Protest me and I'll have you off....LOL
Even more powerfull into a headwind with Ramalamalamlamlam air....
800 camshaft? Wow, thet's 200 per valve!
A few observations if I may.
If a bike was considered to be of a significant power advantage over others, then a quick run on the dyno would prove this satisfactorily, one way or another.
The need for the organisers to sponsor a rider to protest, suggests they have a genuine reason to force this issue. It may be to stop the paddock rumours, but it may also be a personal issue with somebody who is clearly a better 'racer' than most of the rest of the field and on a well prepared bike? If their motive is purely to prove what a 'fair' series this is, they have ben a little misguided in their actions.
Could this be that they [the organisers] felt this action would lead to a refusal of the owner of the championship winning bike, to strip his engine for inspection, thereby leading to a disqualification by default? If so, they have been left with egg on their faces. Again, a dyno run would have done an equally good job of proving the bike legitimacy, without the disruptions and poor press the series could clearly do without.
Congratulations to Phil and Dom on your champioships.
Protest me and I'll have you off....LOL
Even more powerfull into a headwind with Ramalamalamlamlam air....
Can I just have your engine instead?
I'll do you a swap with mine. It's just been prepared for a tune up ;)
Congratulations to Phil and Dom on your champioships.
Thanks Furio ;)
Protest me and I'll have you off....LOL
Even more powerfull into a headwind with Ramalamalamlamlam air....
I bet that ramamamamamalam air also doubles up as a great grass blower.?
LOL
800 camshaft? Wow, thet's 200 per valve!
A few observations if I may.
If a bike was considered to be of a significant power advantage over others, then a quick run on the dyno would prove this satisfactorily, one way or another.
The need for the organisers to sponsor a rider to protest, suggests they have a genuine reason to force this issue. It may be to stop the paddock rumours, but it may also be a personal issue with somebody who is clearly a better 'racer' than most of the rest of the field and on a well prepared bike? If their motive is purely to prove what a 'fair' series this is, they have ben a little misguided in their actions.
Could this be that they [the organisers] felt this action would lead to a refusal of the owner of the championship winning bike, to strip his engine for inspection, thereby leading to a disqualification by default? If so, they have been left with egg on their faces. Again, a dyno run would have done an equally good job of proving the bike legitimacy, without the disruptions and poor press the series could clearly do without.
Congratulations to Phil and Dom on your champioships.
Thats actually a good idea.....parc ferme the bikes and get them all dyno'd any that stand out surely would have to had some illegal bits added .?....we all have a pretty good idea what is acheivable legally in both 583 and 620.....!!!
hmmm food for thought.......
and thanks for the congrats....
Phil
Murray Mint
06-Sep-2006, 12:16
Did I not see the hairnets being dyno'd en mas at Donnington?
Thats actually a good idea.....parc ferme the bikes and get them all dyno'd any that stand out surely would have to had some illegal bits added .?....we all have a pretty good idea what is acheivable legally in both 583 and 620.....!!!
hmmm food for thought.......
and thanks for the congrats....
Phil
good in thery but they would need a mobile dyno at every meeting
Sorry boys and girls I can't see as a dyno would prove or disprove the bike has an advantage,(naughty parts etc) anyone who knows their onions knows that some engines are up on BHP str8 from the factory!
Early 98 R1's were as much as 6 HP across the board!!!!
As an on looker
A. I dont think Antony would be the sort of guy to throw a spanner in the works !
he has done loadsa stuff for this club.
chass I think that the best resolve should be !
The rule should be, If we strip it and find nowt !
then,they THE MANAGMENT pay for the rebuild !
just my 10 p worth
Did I not see the hairnets being dyno'd en mas at Donnington?
Yes and CB500's too, but they're New Era championships ;)
Did I not see the hairnets being dyno'd en mas at Donnington?
Yes, I did see a bunch of Hornets being Dyno'd at Donington.
good in theory but they would need a mobile dyno at every meeting
Perhaps not every meeting. If rumours had been circulating since mid-season, why not take advantage of the Dyno at Donington, rather than wait until Snett where deconstruction is required instead?
I guess it's a rhetorical question.........
The rule should be, If we strip it and find nowt !
then,they THE MANAGMENT pay for the rebuild !
just my 10 p worth
I don't think you're far wrong Mav.
It costs a bit more than £250 to put a Ducati engine back together, and why the hell should Chass have to cover that? (or anyone else who's stripped).
If a bike is found to be legal, then the protester should have to cover the full rebuild costs.
I guess it's a rhetorical question.........
...and it doesn't require an answer either ;)
:lol:
WeeJohnyB
06-Sep-2006, 12:54
Is the dyno finally back....the CB boys have wanted it back for ages. It used to be at pretty much every round and they would randomly select bikes to go on it, I know I was on the dyno twice in my first year, both showing the same 49bhp reading. It's not fail-safe as I've heard of all sorts of ways to get around it with different looms/kill switch/lights switch combos making the bikes run differently, but it's a start. Surely just asking New Era if you can use it and agreeing a deal.
WeeJohnyB
I have a brand new Baseball bat !
can i be the Adjudicator???????
I would think that all the CB's, Harinets and DD riders would even pay £5 per meeting if they knew the top 3? in each race were dyno'd and perhaps 3 at random.
That's how it used to work anyway ;)
Set the protest fee at an appropriate level. Sufficient to cover the rebuild fee.
£1000.00
£250 probably only just covers the consumables, not even denting the labour.
Then if found innocent - the team gets the fee to cover rebuild costs
If found guilty of cheating - the team has to cover the cost themselves.
Also, regardless of who lodges the complaint, the source of funding should be disclosed. Avoids all this hiding behind a fall guy.
It's not difficult is it.
But then potentially, these simple rule changes may upset a few people as they'd have to front up a substantial sum, and show their face, not have a whip round and hide behind someone else.
dickieducati
06-Sep-2006, 16:33
Also, regardless of who lodges the complaint, the source of funding should be disclosed. Avoids all this hiding behind a fall guy.
It's not difficult is it.
.
yeah i would have thought someone who has the balls to race would also have the balls to hold their hand up. clearly not.
i really dont see the problem with it.
boggy 8
06-Sep-2006, 17:17
Tony had standard pistons put back in
Tony had standard 620 pistons put back in because it is not legal to run hi comp pistons in 2006.But it was in 2005.
Tony had standard 620 pistons put back in because it is not legal to run hi comp pistons in 2006.But it was in 2005.
Was it are you sure?
2005
1.6.26 Pistons
Pistons may be replaced.
[QUOTE=NBs996]2005
1.6.26 Pistons
Pistons may be replaced.[/QUOTE
Should have known you would be along with the rule book:D)
couchcommando
06-Sep-2006, 17:57
The bike did have high comp pistons in, they had a **** design with a crown on and were shielding half the mixture from the spark plug, as such the bike made 6hp more with new standard ones in !!......
Just for the record the flywheel was a standard one too !
As we get more info on the different setups people have been running, it seems to me that the best package is settling down as a standard, well set up engine, with a good rider :saint:
Should have known you would be along with the rule book:D)
Well I'd hate to disasppoint you chass...
Now, about that mudguard! ;)
Well I'd hate to disasppoint you chass...
Now, about that mudguard! ;)
Told you the mudgard went before brands just look at some photos d##khead:D)
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