View Full Version : Panniers on a 748/916? Advice please
Douglas
28-Sep-2006, 21:33
Hi
Anyone used Oxford panniers on their 748/916? Or any advice on using panniers on a 748 etc?
antonye
28-Sep-2006, 21:54
Don't!
Get a Ventura Luggage System instead - best bit of kit for touring without doubt.
Steve B
28-Sep-2006, 23:28
Seconded.
Ventura makes the impossible - simple and comfortable.
1000 miles in two days last year in France with no problems.
Steve
Thirded, Ventura, throwaway the throwovers!
Douglas
29-Sep-2006, 08:48
Chaps, Thanks for the advice. Having looked at the Ventura system on the web, I can see its the business, the only problem is trhat they are beyond my means at present!
What are the problems with panniers? I have an old seat unit which I thought i might fit with the luggage, so I can gaffer tape it up to my hearts content. I was wondering about the exhausts, do they touch the panniers, or does the shape of the seat unit hold them away? I need an interim solution until I can afford the pukka stuff!
istanbulian
29-Sep-2006, 10:33
I also could not afford Ventura but I recently did 3,000km in 2 days on my 748 SPS travelling from Istanbul to London and used a combination of a tank bag and an Oxford tail-pack on the tail section of the bike. Provided you put some sort of baffle between the tailpack and the seat unit your paint will survive. I used rubber table-matting; worked a treat. With plenty of bungess from the tail pack to the footrest hangers it was rock-solid.
The only problem with a tank bag is that it prevents you from getting close to the tank and thus limits effective top speeds to c 160-170kph unless you have a strong neck !
bradders
29-Sep-2006, 11:11
if you dont have rear pegs, ie not a bip, then tieing down is also difficult. I looked at doing this with a tail pack I have and, regardless of potential paint damage, there is no where to bungy them down.
rcgbob44
29-Sep-2006, 11:28
Luggage on a 916.................................blasphemy!
Oxford Humpback Throwovers work quite well on a 998 - I've done 2 trips to Italy with these and they're far more stable than a tailpack as the weights lower down and therefore causes less wobble against the single pin-type lock at the back of the seat unit.
I bungee under the numberplate holder at the back, and run a bungee between the subframe and the heatguard at the front (just behind the shock) and everything stays where it should all the way to 150+ mph.
I'll post a couple of photos if/when I can find them...
Giles
Photos as promised, but the quality is not great.
I guess the key is that I have carbon Termis, so the bungees don't melt where they wrap down alongside the exhausts at the rear...
...and panniers do make a narrow bike rather wide (as the paint scuffs on mine prove, picked up while filtering through the usual queues on the Autostrada around Genoa...)!
Douglas
01-Oct-2006, 09:45
Thanks for the pics. I have been looking at some humpbacks in a sale, so I think they may be the way to go. Sadly I dont have carbon termis, but I do have a bip, so I hope that the footpegs will help. I have a trip planned in a few weeks, so need to get myselt geared up!
No idea how much Ventura racks and stuff are new, but I came across this one this morning..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUCATI-916-996-998-VENTURA-LUGGAGE-BAG-MOUNTING-RACK_W0QQitemZ130032766940QQihZ003QQcategoryZ30240 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Have to say, when we did Raid the Lakes earlier this year, I was extremely jealous of the guys with the Ventura luggage - did look incredibly easy and effective
Martin
VanDaMauler
01-Oct-2006, 20:12
This is a bike made for touring....
http://www.evanscooling.com/gallery/GW_95SE_RP_6.jpg
And this is a bike made for racing ( on race tracks )
http://www.moto-station.com/uploads/48_normal.jpg
One gets you there in comfort, the other gets you there in agony...
Why dont you get one of these insted?
http://www.neuseeland-treff.de/camper/6-Berth1.jpg
Much more practical and easier on the Lower back, neck and wrists...
I have a Ventura system for sale
£120 if your interested ?
Steve B
01-Oct-2006, 23:47
Quoting Van der Mauler
"a bike made for touring"
Surely that is a car - It has 4 wheels!
VanDaMauler
02-Oct-2006, 10:33
Certainly looks bigger and heavier then most cars, but you know what I`m saying...:lol:
The idea of "touring" on a luggage laden Ducati sports bike fills me with dread...
I would come back crippled and hating my bike and not wanting to ride it for months...
Its a crazy Idea, why do you think there are different types of bikes? stangely enough designed for a specific purpose ie:
Sports bikes - Race tracks
Tourers - touring
Sports tourers - fast touring
Cruisers - cruising/posing
Off road - off road riding.............the list goes on.
Why dont we have an off road/motoX day for everyone who owns a 999 or 749 :lol:
moto748
02-Oct-2006, 13:09
Van's comments are obviously made tongue in cheek, but of course some of us, I suspect, can only run to owning one bike (certainly only one Ducati! :rolleyes: ). So some compromises have to be made.
Of course, some posters here seem to change bikes every time the ashtrays are full, or run a large fleet of bikes, but that's beyond the means of those of us who don't work in organised crime or IT.
VanDaMauler
02-Oct-2006, 17:09
Organized crime or IT huh!!!
You shouldnt of shy`d away from hairdressing when you were 17, you could`ve been the next Nicky clarke.
Hairdresser`s....always the butt of the joke, but always have the last laugh...(all the Hairdresser I know are living very good lifestyles,Nice houses, FLASH cars,Birds,parties...its not a bad life )
And YES!!!! Very tongue in cheek...:D
istanbulian
03-Oct-2006, 07:47
More photos to show it can be done.
Sure, I could have done the journey from Istanbul-London_Istanbul on my BMW K1200RS ( comfy seat and riding position, heated grips, luggage, cruise control (!) etc etc) but that would have been tooooo easy :) Where is the challenge in that ?
...and yes it hurt a lot :)
Certainly looks bigger and heavier then most cars, but you know what I`m saying...:lol:
The idea of "touring" on a luggage laden Ducati sports bike fills me with dread...
I would come back crippled and hating my bike and not wanting to ride it for months...
Its a crazy Idea, why do you think there are different types of bikes? stangely enough designed for a specific purpose ie:
Sports bikes - Race tracks
Tourers - touring
Sports tourers - fast touring
Cruisers - cruising/posing
Off road - off road riding.............the list goes on.
Why dont we have an off road/motoX day for everyone who owns a 999 or 749 :lol:
Van interesting comments about types of bikes and their uses. I love using the 996 for trips to Europe, but i use the term 'touring' loosely as that sums up visions of droning down motorways.
My idea of 'touring' is riding fast down the twistiest roads possible only using autoroutes to avoid city centres. Full days quick riding followed by nice hotel, good food and a nights party, then repeat again the next day.
Ask Dibble about his favourite roads in the Central Massif. I'd rather do this than Cadwell Park, much though i enjoy Cadwell as well. When i get back i just want to do it again and love the bike, even though its track orientated and not built for touring, sod the little bit of discomfort. The idea of using a Gold WIng fills me with dread.
The only time i don't take the 996 is when i'm planning on doing some off road 'touring' and then its stuff like this.
moto748
03-Oct-2006, 13:08
More photos to show it can be done.
Sure, I could have done the journey from Istanbul-London_Istanbul on my BMW K1200RS ( comfy seat and riding position, heated grips, luggage, cruise control (!) etc etc) but that would have been tooooo easy :) Where is the challenge in that ?
...and yes it hurt a lot :)
Fair play to you, istanbulian!
About how many kilometres was the trip?
I am sorry but looking at that pic of a fully laden 916/996 just fills me with dread...How on earth do you ride it with that big bag on the tank.
You guys have my respect for touring on a 916/996.
My backside looks like a baboons after only an hour in the saddle
istanbulian
04-Oct-2006, 11:13
Well it was a total of about 6,500Km.
Istanbul to London in 2 days on outbound leg(Bari to Calais in less than 24hours:) ); London to Istanbul ona more leisurely timetable of 3 days !
DSt1 you are absoluely correct.....its just as well that the fuel capacity only gives a range of 200km because after the first day of in excess of 1,000km by 200 your backside is screaming for a rest.
However the north Greek mountain roads and the Kavalla by-pass ( East of Thessaloniki) are just a dream on a Duke; makes it all worthwhihe
Total respect Istanbulian for doing that, i love the leisurely 3 day return comment. Top man.:D
Douglas
28-Oct-2006, 12:00
Well chaps, just to bring you up to date, I bought an Oxford Sports Pannier from M&P for £54. I have just returned from my trip when I did over 2100 miles in the week, all in the UK. The Panniers were fine, if a bit fiddly to take on and off.
I tie wrapped them to the pillion grab handle, and bungeed them as described by Istanbullian, and they were totally stable. I used plastic bags inside around the contents rather than the waterproof covers to keep things dry.
I will however look out for some Ventura systems when I have the means!
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