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chinese whispers time........just spoke to a US ducati dealership thats seen the new bike,........." yes its beautifull looking" he said," but the most impressive thing is that its supposed to be 155bhp at the crank in bip model and 40 lbs lighter than the 999 !!!!!!!Gulp
lets just watch the values of 999 drop like a stone now as everyone tries to trade-in for the new model.
Sharpy G
05-Oct-2006, 16:44
glad I bought the 749 then !
lets just watch the values of 999 drop like a stone now as everyone tries to trade-in for the new model.
Schadenfreude ???
Henners
05-Oct-2006, 17:16
Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.
Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.
Thankyou,and well said.
everton
05-Oct-2006, 17:36
chinese whispers time........just spoke to a US ducati dealership thats seen the new bike,........." yes its beautifull looking" he said," but the most impressive thing is that its supposed to be 155bhp at the crank in bip model and 40 lbs lighter than the 999 !!!!!!!Gulp
lets just watch the values of 999 drop like a stone now as everyone tries to trade-in for the new model.
Well any dealer who's livelihood is based on Ducati would say that.
As for 999 prices dropping like a stone - they're at rock bottom anyway and will probably be a bargain for many.
Finally - two points of view, one from a journo friend and the other through Ducati directly states on the one hand impressive power but on the other UJM looks - will that tempt those that have bought their R1s and Gixxers back to the fold - time will tell but if it does look like a UJM best stick to our 99Xs then.
At the end of the day there's lots of speculation, probably best wait for the genuine tune from the organ grinder not the grunts from the monkeys and rumour-mongers. Whichever way up it won't better the 'Sedici :smug:
Nick Pavey
06-Oct-2006, 00:46
What is a UJM?
Ultimate J******* machine?
Well any dealer who's livelihood is based on Ducati would say that.
As for 999 prices dropping like a stone - they're at rock bottom anyway and will probably be a bargain for many.
Finally - two points of view, one from a journo friend and the other through Ducati directly states on the one hand impressive power but on the other UJM looks - will that tempt those that have bought their R1s and Gixxers back to the fold - time will tell but if it does look like a UJM best stick to our 99Xs then.
At the end of the day there's lots of speculation, probably best wait for the genuine tune from the organ grinder not the grunts from the monkeys and rumour-mongers. Whichever way up it won't better the 'Sedici :smug:
Well said,
NO dealers have seen the new bike yet, I am in regular contact with the guys at a main Ducati store in the US and they have had no more info than the european dealers.
With photos flying round the world in seconds nowadays, do you think that if there was a 1098 in the USA being shown arround it would stay covered up???
Its just a case of "you heard it here first"
Whatever will be, will be.
But I am looking forward to the 1098 (as a dealer whos livelihood depends on it!)
I'm off to Milan to see it on the 12th. cant wait!!!! photos will be sent!
[QUOTE=wilf]Well said,
NO dealers have seen the new bike yet, I am in regular contact with the guys at a main Ducati store in the US and they have had no more info than the european dealers.
With photos flying round the world in seconds nowadays, do you think that if there was a 1098 in the USA being shown arround it would stay covered up???
Its just a case of "you heard it here first"
Whatever will be, will be.
But I am looking forward to the 1098 (as a dealer whos livelihood depends on it!)
Lets simply look at the facts;
1.I'm only repeating what a principal at a ducati dealer in Texas TOLD me.
2.There,s no mention of the bike being in the USA,lets assume that he may have seen this in......Italy.
3.Without naming names,I've spoke to a ducati dealer in this country who says he's seen the bike (in Italy), so some people are getting previews......unless their telling porkies.
Call me sinical, but the introduction of a new model,if its to be belived about the performance,weight reduction and the aesthetics will create high demand.....this will only be good stick to be used by dealers to tell us how "they canrn't give us good money for our 999/749". Its happened before.
Tonio600
06-Oct-2006, 09:50
I'm so looking forward to being able to buy a cheap 999 :D
Don't think 996 is taking malicious or smug pleasure in somebody else’s misfortune Jools, more stating a fact really.
Just a question, hence the three question marks, since it wasn't clear to me from the original post. It's good to have 996 confirm that he would not take any pleasure in somebody taking a financial pasting through their choice of a 999.
On the other hand, ever since the 999 was introduced it has had many detractors, many of whom have made it perfectly clear that they can't wait to see it's demise, will not buy another Ducati until the 999 is shelved and would rub their hands with glee the day that it was taken off the market. Nearly all of these detractors have been owners of.....well, 996's and the like, so I thought it was a fair question to ask.
Personally, with my ST and my 'antique' 888, the issue doesn't really affect me, but if I had the money for another bike I wouldn't baulk at a T9 since I have always considered them to be a bold and very striking design that I like a lot. Love them or hate them, they can't be accused of being bland and if Ducati means anything to me it's about being brave enough to stand out against the herd and make their own statements. If it were not so, Ducati certainly have the technical savvy to have competed in the marketplace with an IL4 of their own to compete against the Japanese but all Ducati would be then is a 'me too' manufacturer with no distinguishing characteristics, and I believe it is the distinguishing characteristics of the big twin, desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame etc that we all so admire.
The other thing that I still don't get is the rush to have the latest, greatest. We all know that there are very, very few people on this board (perhaps one or two racers amongst us) that can use anywhere near the potential of a 999. Effectively most of us are only about half as good as the bike - so there is plenty of performance potential sitting there going to waste on a standard 999. I've never understood the Japanese inspired thing that dictates something is obselete as soon as something that is a kilo lighter and a few bhp more powerful comes along, and yet each year, driven by this marketing hype, people rush off to buy more and more of something that they can't use :confused:
Henners
06-Oct-2006, 10:37
I agree with a lot of what you say Jools however you're missing a key part of motorcycle ownership for me and that's how a bike makes you feel - not just whether you can use the performance or not.
I love the 916 shape and always have to look over my sholder walking away from one. I love the moment of opening the garage door and seeing the twin termis glinting as the garage lights up. The 999 shape never lit those fires for me however I'm hoping the 1098/1200 does so I can return to Ducati ownership.
So you see it's not about bigger or better or newer - it's about the passion of ownership :)
Jools,my friend,I would not take any pleasure in anyone loosing big style on anything.
On your last point,I totally agree with you,99.9 percent of bike riders on here(myself included) don't NEED anything more than a 748 bip,but as you know, need is different to want,and people will always want more,newer,faster etc etc.
The whole point of this thread was of general interest of the new bike.I was amazed to hear (true or not,as people seem to be saying) about the performance,mainly the 40lbs lighter point.
Oh,bye the way.....guess what....I've got a 999 !
The japanese approach of new models every time the sun rises is based on planned obsolescence, the neophiliacs just can't resist the latest and greatest.
Think I'm spouting Borrocks, maybe but, try reading page 52 of the 10th June 2006 issue of New scientist. Its a very interesting read and gives an insight into the "throw away" society some claim we live in now.
Whats all this got to do with Ducati, well the marketeers might say the "profile" of Ducati owners is very different to that of UJMs.
Ultimately some claim you are genetically pre disposed to buy the bike you do and/or not want or must have the latest model.
Ray.
Brogins
06-Oct-2006, 12:07
Well in ITALY - I am going to be the DSC journalist aborad!!! :-) lots of rumors as in Uk and the rest of the world..BUT..FACT:
the 999 with Troy won the WSBK...and hopefully this weekend will get at least fifth to assure Ducati the championship - in 07 it will be a 999 again on the track to defend the title.
The 999 prices are not dropping like a stone..even the biker public is waiting Milano news...
A huge difference from the public in 999 appreciation.. Italians like it, not like in UK where - even here on the board - we are still talking of how beautiful and great was the 996 or 998 or 916...
Suggestion for the 999 owners that want to sell their bikes.. take it to Italy!!
Well with euro/pound exchange rate it will not probably be a good deal....
Brogins
just popped to the newsagent for my latest copies of " Carn't stop buying shiny new and faster toys" and " Rumors monthly " and bumped into my old mate Pierre Terblanche from Ducati taking the new 1098 bike for a spin,....couldn't belive it,what luck,he could tell me the low down on the new bike!
He said," It will produce 340 bhp in bip form (410bhp with termi's and new air filters), and it will only weigh 49.5 kilos,cost about £2349.50 (to be confirmed) plus on the road charges, and Ducati will offer 999/749 owners preferential orders and give them full retail money for their trade-ins. Oh, and it looked absolutley fantastic,much better than that old knacker 999.
He asked me what I thought about it, I said, "to be honest Pierre,I'm waiting to see if Honda are bringing out a new big bore c90(rumored to be 105cc,saw some spy shots on the web and read some good figures for it on a forum!),as this was about the level of my riding ability and the new ducati would be lost on me!"
doogalman
06-Oct-2006, 13:07
just popped to the newsagent for my latest copies of " Carn't stop buying shiny new and faster toys" and " Rumors monthly " and bumped into my old mate Pierre Terblanche from Ducati taking the new 1098 bike for a spin,....couldn't belive it,what luck,he could tell me the low down on the new bike!
He said," It will produce 340 bhp in bip form (410bhp with termi's and new air filters), and it will only weigh 49.5 kilos,cost about £2349.50 (to be confirmed) plus on the road charges, and Ducati will offer 999/749 owners preferential orders and give them full retail money for their trade-ins. Oh, and it looked absolutley fantastic,much better than that old knacker 999.
He asked me what I thought about it, I said, "to be honest Pierre,I'm waiting to see if Honda are bringing out a new big bore c90(rumored to be 105cc,saw some spy shots on the web and read some good figures for it on a forum!),as this was about the level of my riding ability and the new ducati would be lost on me!"
Did you get a go on it???
He did offer,but I told him I was in a rush to get back home to watch Trisha and Good Morning. But he did give me a lift back home, my only criticism was there wasn't any storage for my magazines and a grab rail !
doogalman
06-Oct-2006, 15:24
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
851neil
06-Oct-2006, 16:13
love the idea of that big bore c90, need to find a review somewhere...as for 996's report on the new 1098ish bike, well if I can't fit up a topbox then it's no good for me !
Just a question, hence the three question marks, since it wasn't clear to me from the original post. It's good to have 996 confirm that he would not take any pleasure in somebody taking a financial pasting through their choice of a 999.
On the other hand, ever since the 999 was introduced it has had many detractors, many of whom have made it perfectly clear that they can't wait to see it's demise, will not buy another Ducati until the 999 is shelved and would rub their hands with glee the day that it was taken off the market. Nearly all of these detractors have been owners of.....well, 996's and the like, so I thought it was a fair question to ask.
Personally, with my ST and my 'antique' 888, the issue doesn't really affect me, but if I had the money for another bike I wouldn't baulk at a T9 since I have always considered them to be a bold and very striking design that I like a lot. Love them or hate them, they can't be accused of being bland and if Ducati means anything to me it's about being brave enough to stand out against the herd and make their own statements. If it were not so, Ducati certainly have the technical savvy to have competed in the marketplace with an IL4 of their own to compete against the Japanese but all Ducati would be then is a 'me too' manufacturer with no distinguishing characteristics, and I believe it is the distinguishing characteristics of the big twin, desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame etc that we all so admire.
The other thing that I still don't get is the rush to have the latest, greatest. We all know that there are very, very few people on this board (perhaps one or two racers amongst us) that can use anywhere near the potential of a 999. Effectively most of us are only about half as good as the bike - so there is plenty of performance potential sitting there going to waste on a standard 999. I've never understood the Japanese inspired thing that dictates something is obselete as soon as something that is a kilo lighter and a few bhp more powerful comes along, and yet each year, driven by this marketing hype, people rush off to buy more and more of something that they can't use :confused:
like what you say Jools. having seen the new Kawasaki ZX6R, it will interesting to see how that sells,given its a 599cc not 636cc (slower possibly)and it looks awful IMHO. tough job for their marketing people!
clint 999R
06-Oct-2006, 18:44
the biggest problem the 749 /999 has is the 748/996/998 owners ****ging it off just because they love their bike which i understand as i have owned 748 and 996 so if ducati people are not accepting the 999 why should any body else. i think the 749/999 is a major leap forward proper italian styling fantastic handling bang on fueling i could go on and on. i have looked long and hard at my 999 and i cant see how it could be improved on and i wouldent like to go backwards by having single sided swinging arm twin pipes side by side front lights. while im at it ive never heard anybody say troys leon,s and gregs bikes are ugley they look unique on the grid unlike the rest which you can only tell the difference buy the colours . ps i love my 999
Henners
06-Oct-2006, 18:53
...when the 1098 turns up and you say 'pah, it's a load of tosh and I can't see the point of the swing arm, the twin pipes and the side by side lights' - you'll then know how us 916 fans felt when your 999 came out :lol:
And all the new owners will be calling you a ludite for not embracing change!
Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. One man's Mona Lisa is another man's Charlotte Church ;)
DaveB916
06-Oct-2006, 18:59
Well Henners there's a dilemma Mona Lisa or Charlotte Church...maybe a Poll?
I know who I prefer nudge nudge, and she likes rugger players....lolol
Henners
06-Oct-2006, 19:07
:lol:
clint 999R
08-Oct-2006, 23:25
i wont have a problem with the new 1098 if i like it ill buy one if i dont i wont but i wont tell any one who does buy it its ugly i just cant understand how anybody can say the 999 is ugly i think the 999 was a good step forwards and has everthing ducatis are about including winning wsb races
Stu748R
09-Oct-2006, 08:55
Just as the 999 looks have started to grow on me,they bring out a new one.
But maybe thats the problem with the 999,to many it didn't give off that instant jaw drop.........
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And all the new owners will be calling you a ludite for not embracing change!
Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. One man's Mona Lisa is another man's Charlotte Church ;)
from a 916 man that is very funny, :-), nice use of irony there, with tongue firmly in cheek, no doubt
but each to there own, following the 916 was always going to be near impossible, but at least it was a bold design.
For the record, I would go for Charlotte
Stu748R
09-Oct-2006, 15:35
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Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. One man's Mona Lisa is another man's Charlotte Church ;)
I happen to like a good moaner and dont go to church..............
Bottem line, the 999 great technology, great engine etc, aweful front end. Lets face it, the 1098 will basically set out to cure all the things which people hated about the 999 looks wise, as well as the obvious power increase, weight reduction etc. The only reason i bought a 996 is because the way the 999 looked, ****, but yeahm each to their own. Iam also going to Milan and have already ordered a 1098S, I have faith Ducati will get things right this time.
This is nothing to do with having 'too much money' or wanted something that will outperform me, it's because I've had to wait years for the 998 replacement, the 1098. The 999 was'nt a replacement, just a blip. Hundreds of 916, 996, 998 owners cannot be wrong.
999 room 101 please.
The 999/749 aesthetics have slowly evolved since the bikes launch.
Take an objective view of the 2006 999 as it is now and you will see that Ducati have listened to their critics and 'adjusted' its looks.
I have had a 748 , 2 * 996's and latterly a 749R.
The 999 looks did take a couple of years to grow on me (and I do think the 749R looks better than any other **9 model)...but I do think that 999 detractors made their minds up on day 1 and will not be swayed.
Its an old tune now......if you like them..you like them...if you don't ..you don't.
Lets see what Milan brings......I fancy a 1098 to keep the 749R company.
electricsheep
13-Oct-2006, 16:45
This is probably a stupid question but is the 1098 actually a 1200, if not if seems odd that the new model will be 100cc less that the future 1200 WSB limit
This is probably a stupid question but is the 1098 actually a 1200, if not if seems odd that the new model will be 100cc less that the future 1200 WSB limit
1098 will be 1099 cc, the R model, expected in 2008 (in time for the new WSB rules) will possibly be 1200 cc
it's because I've had to wait years for the 998 replacement, the 1098. The 999 was'nt a replacement, just a blip. Hundreds of 916, 996, 998 owners cannot be wrong.
999 room 101 please.
the new replace the old, you like them or you dont. there is no other way of looking at it apart from straight.
what I can gaurantee is that some 916 owners will be running down their checklist of
twin exhaust pipes
single sided swing arm
side by side headlights
and whatever else, and despite ticking all the boxes they will be disappointed because its not their "iconic" 916. Only then will they realise design does not come rfom a checklist and maybe understand why the 999 is a great design, whether they like the style or not
time will tell
twin exhaust pipes
single sided swing arm
side by side headlights
thatll be original............:rolleyes: and a step forward.........
The only reason i bought a 996 is because the way the 999 looked, ****, but yeahm each to their own. Iam also going to Milan and have already ordered a 1098S, I have faith Ducati will get things right this time.
What!?
Nobody outside of Ducati has seen the fookin thing yet!What if its more 'ugly' than the 999???:eek:
(Shakes head in disbelief.)
What!?
Nobody outside of Ducati has seen the fookin thing yet!What if its more 'ugly' than the 999???:eek:
(Shakes head in disbelief.)
If I dont like it, or it's ugly I can have my £1000 back, it's no big deal, but do you really think Ducati are gonna make such a huge F**K up again?!?! I think not. Iam guessing the bike will look fantastic and everyone will be rushing to their local Ducati dealers after Milan, so at least Iam one step ahead and will get mine in November.
Ps and to suggest nobody outside of Ducati have not seen the bike....right.
twin exhaust pipes
single sided swing arm
side by side headlights
thatll be original............:rolleyes: and a step forward.........
yeah I know. But hey, I think I am the only person that likes the original cast 999 swing arm, a work of art IMHO.
The newer ally extrusion is terrible, cheap, tacky, plain, lacking in craft, welded by a robot.......what is the attraction, I would love to know.
If I dont like it, or it's ugly I can have my £1000 back, it's no big deal, but do you really think Ducati are gonna make such a huge F**K up again?!?!
Thats alright then!:)
Well my opinion is that the new bike will have a pretty conservative design.I'm guessing it will look pretty much along the lines of the R1 in RCA's avatar.Just bolt on a single swinger and paint it red.A nice looking bike but not a bold design like the 999.
Hmmm,..Ducati copying a Japanese design,.....whatever next?
Hang on tho,...was'nt the 916 inspired by the Honda NR750?;)
If all the 916 shape diehards buy one,there will be one on every street corner next year,...oh,along with a Hypermotard in the garage as a second bike.;)
I reckon keefyb could be right that it'll be a conservative look and not really stand out so much. The company isn't exactly flush at the minute so chances are they'll go for a good quality safe bet and if the engine is as good as everyone says it is they'll have no trouble selling them.
my opinion is single swingers are out of date. Looks fantastic on the 916, RC30 etc but would look pants on any current sports bike.
twin pipes are a step backwards really. A buell type underslung job would be cool but then this could be because of euro emissions?
As for the lights....well, side by side or stacked is pretty much it unless they go back to single?
maybe they are getting the engine up to speed this time, swell the coffers a bit and go bold design and fast next time?
my ideal bike would a late design 999 with an early model fairing (sharper, less curvy) and this 1098 engine ;)
I reckon keefyb could be right that it'll be a conservative look and not really stand out so much. The company isn't exactly flush at the minute so chances are they'll go for a good quality safe bet and if the engine is as good as everyone says it is they'll have no trouble selling them.
I kinda hope that I am wrong and it will look awesome,....mind you,some folks will think it is,....even if it aint!;)
As I have stated on another thread,I'm really excited thinking about the new bike.The specs on the engine sound fantastic.I wont be rushing out to buy one at the moment tho,....I absolutely love my 999,and more importantly,I cant afford another bike right now.:rolleyes:
the engine spec is a good selling point,will the single side swing arm? seems a step back, will the engine fit in the 999-now theirs a thought!
the engine spec is a good selling point,will the single side swing arm? seems a step back, will the engine fit in the 999-now theirs a thought!
Yep,still drooling thinking about the bike that Duck described!:eek: :devil:
If they drop a LOT of weight and make it a fair bit faster, i'll have one. Not that worried about the looks, I love my 05 999s but it's bloody heavy getting it in and out of the van/garage and I would like something a bit quicker.
However I think that single swingarm, pointy twin lights and twin exhausts would be a step backwards too. I had a 748 and loved it in it's day but they look a bit retro now. I think the 999 is very bold but they shot themselves in the foot by launching the model in less desirable colourways and specs. If they had introduced the models as they are now (red frames, black wheels, more power) then maybe they would have been a hit?
Might go to Milan and check it out, anyone up for a ride there? ****, could be wet and cold though...
If they drop a LOT of weight and make it a fair bit faster, i'll have one. Not that worried about the looks, I love my 05 999s but it's bloody heavy getting it in and out of the van/garage and I would like something a bit quicker.
A bit quicker??!!
Blimey,are you racing one or summat?My 'S' is plenty fast enough for me.
I'm really no hero, occasional track days and all that but I just did 1400 miles around france and Switzerland and there were times where I would have liked that bonkers GSXR1000 power to weight flat out thrill. I guess 173 with ruck sack and tank bag isn't shabby but I think they are shooting for more power and less weight. If they achieve that and keep the stability and poise then i think i'll have to have one.
Why buy another bike just because of the engine, when you can get up to 1205cc on your testaretta engine....
Nattyboy
21-Oct-2006, 23:12
Stop press...exclusive shots of the new 1098....!!!!!
http://blog.ducati.com/post/83/la-nuova-superbike
Well at least its brake discs and calipers !!!
Put to one side the aesthetics and performance,anyone tried selling their 749/999 back to a dealer for the new bike.......got a good price for the bike or........."sorry sir,what with the new bike and all.....!
Why buy another bike just because of the engine, when you can get up to 1205cc on your testaretta engine....
Maybe because the engine work you would need to upgrade would cost as much as trading your bike in against a new un ???
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