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Domski won I think, Phil 2nd I *think*, it was neck and neck with Kyle Hinton
Griff won the 583's and Andy Challis came second
I left before the 2nd race since there wasn't much point me hanging around, qualified pole 583, New Era said I was on the grid instead of reserve, get to grid and Chris Bushell says I'm not, total lack of communication between NE and RC, they need to get their ****ing act together.
Domski won I think, Phil 2nd I *think*, it was neck and neck with Kyle Hinton
Griff won the 583's and Andy Challis came second
I left before the 2nd race since there wasn't much point me hanging around, qualified pole 583, New Era said I was on the grid instead of reserve, get to grid and Chris Bushell says I'm not, total lack of communication between NE and RC, they need to get their ****ing act together.
Sorry to hear you've missed out on the racing, that's really poor.
Surely if New Era say you're racing you're bloody racing?! I don't understand that, or why Chris told you you weren't?
Chris? What's the story?
the sooner that ALL MT and RC members are voted in and not just given positions the better ....
I thought New Era ran the race series ??
the sooner that ALL MT and RC members are voted in and not just given positions the better ....
I thought New Era ran the race series ??
I couldn't agree more!
I thought New Era ran the day as well, this is a bit of a turn up!
I couldn't agree more!
I thought New Era ran the day as well,
so did they, no doubt ......
Paul James
08-Oct-2006, 20:45
To put this all straight......
The Cadwell round was over subscribed and those who put their entries in last were put on the reserve list, as is usual in such an event.
The number of riders allowed out in qualifying exceeded the number allowed to race (38) so the reserves were allowed out in qualifying to ensure that if a place later became available due to one on of the original 38 dropping out they could take the vacant spot.
New Era made the mistake of including those who had gone to Cadwell as reserves due to late entry on the grid listing and corrected that once it was pointed out to them. If that had not been done then those who entered the meeting more promptly would have been unfairly penalised.
This applied to others and was explained. Having discussed this with the other riders concerned it was decided that a clarification of this will be added to the rules for 2007.
It was the only fair way to deal with the situation which was not of our (the RC's) making in the first place.
Great day of racing, good to see so many of you turn out to both compete and spectate !!!!
Like it was said by several people, the only ****ing race that takes place is the one to get your entries in then
Henners
08-Oct-2006, 21:06
Newly crowned DD620 Champion Dominic Cann ran his new racebike today at Cadwell. Hopefully he got away with it :o ;)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-7/773773/RKMWO-DSC00056.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-7/773773/XWSIY-DSC00057.JPG
:lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Very, Very good!!!
Good shots Henners!
Henners
08-Oct-2006, 21:11
.. check out the Wonderboy stickers on the screen - shouldn't be allowed :lol:
Should I race next year then? I can barely afford entries as it is now, at the end of the day it's a race, people race to win so why not go on qualifying times? If you don't want to race, whats wrong with trackdays? When I dont fancy racing, I go do them
If I knew this was the situation, I wouldn't have turned up in the first place, but alas the RC and their lack of communication with NE have ****ed it up again
Paul James
08-Oct-2006, 21:41
Should I race next year then? I can barely afford entries as it is now, at the end of the day it's a race, people race to win so why not go on qualifying times? If you don't want to race, whats wrong with trackdays? When I dont fancy racing, I go do them
If I knew this was the situation, I wouldn't have turned up in the first place, but alas the RC and their lack of communication with NE have ****ed it up again
I take it from this comment that when New Era sent back your entry they didn't inform you that you were a reserve ? If they did then it is racing convention that the reserves who submitted late entries go on a list and get to take up any places vacated by those who fail to qualify. Chris Wood was unfortunately unable to compete so the first reserve (Phil H) took the vacant spot as first reserve.
I'm afraid that is how it works.
Best thing all the riders interested in the 2007 series can do is register their entry with Ducati Sporting Club ASAP so that we can see if we need to negotiate with New Era for two grids as a regular occurence or just a single, mixed grid.
Jim Parker has confirmed that New Era welcome the 2007 Ducati Sporting Club Desmo Due Championship to be run at their meetings next year.
Riders will be getting email confirmation of this and other DD related news over the next week and the details for 2007 will be included in Pronto to ensure that other members interested in entering next year are all informed.
Paul James
08-Oct-2006, 21:44
I thought New Era ran the race series ??
Another false assumption.
Ducati Sporting Club run the series, New Era host the series at their meetings.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I was apparently a reserve, then I qualify, ASK New Era, double check with NE and tripple check and YES I'm on the grid.
Me goes and gets ready, then Murray informs me of a situation, so we go down to the lady organsising the grids, and shes been told times, then Chris goes and tells her otherwise 1 minute before the poxy race starts
RC or NE? I don't care now, I just want my money back then I'll go ponder selling my bike or not, yes, I could have just gone with being bunged the SV650 class but I'm not competative there and was in for trophys in the DD class.
Scooter916
08-Oct-2006, 22:19
just remember what cant kill you will only make you stronger, Oh yea and make you get your entries in earlier............
Another false assumption.
Ducati Sporting Club run the series, New Era host the series at their meetings.
?? = a question, a . would have equalled an assumption.
I had you down as an intelligent man !!!!
and as they say in "Lock Stock" .. Assumption is the mother of all **** ups ....
Rattler
09-Oct-2006, 08:38
My view of this is that New Era mistakenly applied normal rules (that do apply for most other series) to our series. As the DD, we have different rules.
The non-qualifiers (too many for a single grid) are the ones who entered late, not the ones who qualified with the slowest times.
The issues surrounding reserves can be unfortunate, and it was a shame for you Kye, you rode really well.
Greater clarity is required around this DD rule, but it is also the responsibility of individuals to fully understand the potential implications.
One final thought - I was extremely impressed with Dave Pratt's gesture (as I understand it) of not racing in the second race in order for Murray to get out there - that is what the DD is all about. - Nice one Dave.
Tim
I thought it was quite clear that late entries were reserves. New Era made a mistake, the RC rectified it, seemed like they were doing their job just fine to me. Shame that not everyone could get out there, but rules is rules.
It would seem its not really an issue with the rules themselves but perhaps the communication of them? The end of the second season and there's still two different interpretations of the rule by New Era and the RC?
Anyway, I'm sure its all been ironed out.
ChrisBushell
09-Oct-2006, 09:53
I think that Paul and Tim have covered this perfectly earlier in this thread.
The reason for the problem of timing was simply that Dave Pratt, Murray and Franco brought this to the RC's attention something like 15 mins before the 1st race. We had been having a nice cup of tea and were totally unaware.
We went into the race office, got it sorted, then I made sure that Kye and Murray were properly informed before the race of what was going on.
The fact that the lady in the holding area was not informed is a New Era issue, not a DSC one.
It is unfortunate, but in the event of a race being over subscribed then the grid has to be made up of those who got their entries in on time. Otherwise we could have the situation whereby a couple of 620s could come along late and bump a couple of the Class B guys off, just because they have more power. That would be grossly unfair.
The rules will be ammended to make this situation clearer for 2007.
I thought it was quite clear that late entries were reserves. New Era made a mistake, the RC rectified it, seemed like they were doing their job just fine to me. Shame that not everyone could get out there, but rules is rules.
Absolutely agree with that Lu.................
For god sake can we just get over all this RC bashing CR*P.....................
Fastfasulli
09-Oct-2006, 11:56
Absolutely agree with that Lu.................
For god sake can we just get over all this RC bashing CR*P.....................
I agree with both of you. I would have lost out this weekend if it weren't for the intervention of the RC to straighten things out. Yes there may have been some lack of comms somewhere but Murray certainly knew the score before he turned up at Cadwell and he posted on this site to say how disappointed he was, before the weekend - this is not to say he was not a gentlemen about it all. I don't believe it is the responsibility of the RC to mother everybody. If you are not sure about something surely you just ask someone?!? Nothing is EVER perfect!!!
Anyway, having come up from London on Thursday, therefore giving up 4 days of my life with all of the associated costs for a track day and the race weekend and then be told I wouldn't race would have been very unfair on me, I think.
I need the race experience and the track time and it showed this weekend as I knocked 13 seconds off my best lap time at Cadwell in March. I may be running at the back and there are no trophies for coming 2nd last but in my books I won something.
Fair play to you Phil you had a great season and you talk some sense too!!!
Cheers for now
I need the race experience and the track time and it showed this weekend as I knocked 13 seconds off my best lap time at Cadwell in March.
13 seconds! That's a huge improvement, well done :D
Fastfasulli
09-Oct-2006, 12:01
Thanks - ;-)))
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