who's on the RC for DD07?

[dickieducati]

2 questions:

if DD is run by DSC next year;

who will be on the RC?

and how are they voted on/elected?


nb. can we please just stick to the question and keep a side issues for other posts. im just looking for a simple answer to a simple question.

[ChrisBushell]

Dickie,

As announced yesterday evening, we have concluded our agreement with New Era yesterday and the New Era Club will be hosting the Ducati Sporting Club Desmo Due series in 2007. This will be their only dedicated Ducati series for 2007.

The current structure of the Race Committee is 2 x members of the Management Team and a riders rep for each of the classes.

There is currently a vacancy for the Class A riders Rep and Kevin will have to decide if he wishes to carry on for a 2nd year in 2007.

At present Paul James and myself are the MT represenatives on the RC, carrying on until the AGM. The MT will confirm who from the MT will be on the RC after the AGM.

[Chaz]

Closed shop then

[Rattler]

The current structure of the Race Committee is 2 x members of the Management Team and a riders rep for each of the classes............

.......At present Paul James and myself are the MT represenatives on the RC, carrying on until the AGM. The MT will confirm who from the MT will be on the RC after the AGM.

It is my belief and that of many of the riders, that the election of the 2 x RC members who are presently (and proposed to be for 2007) nominated by the MT should not be decided just by the MT.

Whilst appreciating it is a difficult job, there has been a great deal of dissatisfaction with the activities and actions of certain members of the RC (who had been nominated by the MT) that have left a desire that for 2007 the riders have a far greater influence on who makes up the RC.

If there is some sort of constitutional directive that means that MT members must sit on the RC, then please let me know where this exists. If it does, then why can we not as riders vote upon which members of the MT sit on the RC. MT members can perhaps put themselves forward for election and be voted on by the riders? The same applies for all of the RC, I know of a number of individuals who may or may not be members of the MT that I believe could do a great job on the committee and have some great ideasd for 2007.

After discussing this subject at length with many of the riders at Cadwell, it is believed that the DSC offers the best framework to run the DD, but that the proposed MT member of the RC for 2007 may not be in the best interests of the majority of riders.

As for my position as 620 rider's rep for 2007, I will happilt put myself forward for the role as long as I believe that the riders have voted upon who the MT members of the RC are.

In summary - Evolution, not Revolution is required for the DD series. It is a great series and with greater transparency and greater influence by the riders it will be even better.

Tim

[Tonio600]

well said.

[dickieducati]

Dickie,


At present Paul James and myself are the MT represenatives on the RC, carrying on until the AGM. The MT will confirm who from the MT will be on the RC after the AGM.

thanks for the reply.

so to clarify:

1. the MT decide who becomes a member of the RC.
2. this is only done at the AGM.

if thats the case, then i am deeply unhappy with it for 2 main reasons:

1. there is clearly no democratic vote or election of RC members (notwithstanding the riders reps, who, with all due respect to those involved were unable/not allowed to effectively do anything this year). this causes a huge potential for manipulation of how the series works and what can effectively be done with it.

2. being announced at the AGM is way too late. the vast majority of the important desicions need sorting now, am im not happy with not knowing who will be in charge until 1 month prior to the series starting.


i also think its somewhat of a presumption to say that DSC DD will be the ducati series run by new era next year. lets be honest, new era will take a grid of 40 ducati's no matter what guise or name it comes under or who runs it.

i would like to add i really just want to race like everyone out there and have no alliegance to any club/consortium/breakaway group what so ever. there are however many issues which need to/and can be dealt with which will take this series forward and it is vitally important that the right people are in place to do this.

under the current system i just cant see how this can happen.

[dickieducati]

just to add.
wrote my reply before reading tim's. trying to say the same thing really but i think he put it more eloquently than me.

[phil_h]

As for my position as 620 rider's rep for 2007, I will happilt put myself forward for the role as long as I believe that the riders have voted upon who the MT members of the RC are.

In summary - Evolution, not Revolution is required for the DD series. It is a great series and with greater transparency and greater influence by the riders it will be even better.

Tim

Well done Tim, I'll vote for you if I run a 620 next year.

[dickieducati]

At present Paul James and myself are the MT represenatives on the RC, carrying on until the AGM. The MT will confirm who from the MT will be on the RC after the AGM.

so is this set in stone and cannot be changed?

[Rattler]

At present Paul James and myself are the MT represenatives on the RC, carrying on until the AGM. The MT will confirm who from the MT will be on the RC after the AGM.

But you weren't at the start of the year, it was PJ and Monty, so if you can be added half way through, why can't things be sorted now?

[domski]

so is this set in stone and cannot be changed?

If ALL the riders want a new RC - like they ALL agreed on Saturday evening, then surely they must be listened to.

After all, there won't be a series to be RC'd without riders.

[AK]

But you weren't at the start of the year, it was PJ and Monty, so if you can be added half way through, why can't things be sorted now?

well spotted lord R:)

[Redruth]

The draft constitution lists one of the objectives of the DSC as

"the organisation and management of Ducati Desmo Due Race Series for all members of the Club" - I guess the MT assume the role because it's a stated objective of the club. However, the list of 9 MT offices (of a maximum of 10 possible posts) in that draft does not include posts for RC. This may now be covered in the job descriptions but I was led to believe that no descriptions had actually been written as at the 23rd September when the consultation meeting took place. At that meeting, it was agreed that job descriptions were needed, would be written and made available on the website for members to look at, rather than the alternative that was suggested which was - you have to contact a member of the MT to find out what the job entails.

CB was taking the minutes at that meeting so should have a record of that agreement.

[TP]

The draft constitution lists one of the objectives of the DSC as

"the organisation and management of Ducati Desmo Due Race Series for all members of the Club" - I guess the MT assume the role because it's a stated objective of the club. However, the list of 9 MT offices (of a maximum of 10 possible posts) in that draft does not include posts for RC. This may now be covered in the job descriptions but I was led to believe that no descriptions had actually been written as at the 23rd September when the consultation meeting took place. At that meeting, it was agreed that job descriptions were needed, would be written and made available on the website for members to look at, rather than the alternative that was suggested which was - you have to contact a member of the MT to find out what the job entails.

CB was taking the minutes at that meeting so should have a record of that agreement.

Was there any information on the MT positions and their roles in the minutes of that meeting or anything else handed out?

The reason I ask is that I've e-mailed Chris Bushell, Paul James and Monty twice asking for this information, or part thereof, and not received a reply.

[Redruth]

I don't think the MT is likely to produce minutes for that 'consultation', Tony.
The results will show in the re-drafted clauses and the job descriptions being made available.

There were no details about the positions discussed at the meeting, just an acknowledgment that there needs to be a full description for each role otherwise how can anyone (a) decide to take a role on or (b) be shown not to be fulfilling that role properly.

[TP]

I don't think the MT is likely to produce minutes for that 'consultation', Tony.
The results will show in the re-drafted clauses and the job descriptions being made available.

There were no details about the positions discussed at the meeting, just an acknowledgment that there needs to be a full description for each role otherwise how can anyone (a) decide to take a role on or (b) be shown not to be fulfilling that role properly.

No worries, thanks Ruth :)

[Chris Wood]

If ALL the riders want a new RC - like they ALL agreed on Saturday evening, then surely they must be listened to.

After all, there won't be a series to be RC'd without riders.

Interesting spin on that Dom.....'and no series without an RC.'

Not sure on the use of ALL in your description....

I agree their is some dissatisfaction with certain elements of the series management.....but....easy on the use of ALL.

????

[Rattler]

The draft constitution lists one of the objectives of the DSC as

"the organisation and management of Ducati Desmo Due Race Series for all members of the Club" - I guess the MT assume the role because it's a stated objective of the club. However, the list of 9 MT offices (of a maximum of 10 possible posts) in that draft does not include posts for RC. This may now be covered in the job descriptions but I was led to believe that no descriptions had actually been written as at the 23rd September when the consultation meeting took place. At that meeting, it was agreed that job descriptions were needed, would be written and made available on the website for members to look at, rather than the alternative that was suggested which was - you have to contact a member of the MT to find out what the job entails.

CB was taking the minutes at that meeting so should have a record of that agreement.


What does all that mean? Blimey!!!
My first question is, who do I speak to in order for me to understand what/who decides who sits on the RC and why this has to be a member of the MT?

And if it has to be a member of the MT, can he or she be voted in by the members or who votes them on?

And how can another MT member join the RC halfway through the year if they are not voted on?

Tim

[domski]

Interesting spin on that Dom.....'and no series without an RC.'

Actually, there can be a series without the RC. You were at the meeting weren't you Chris?

Not sure on the use of ALL in your description....

I agree their is some dissatisfaction with certain elements of the series management.....but....easy on the use of ALL.

????

Unless I'm hugely mistaken, even you agreed that the RC ought to be replaced.

Maybe I was in another meeting???

[Redruth]

What it means Tim, is that at the moment the RC thing appears to be completely undefined. If you're talking about doing things through official channels then, according to point 6b of the minutes from the last AGM, an EGM can be called for by 50 fully paid up members putting a 'demand' in writing, stating the business to be discussed. The notice for an EGM currently stands at 30 days. It will change to 60 if the new draft constitution is adopted, but that isn't going to be for well over a month so now's the time to act if you want something done in time for next season, as far as I can see.

[Rattler]

What it means Tim, is that at the moment the RC thing appears to be completely undefined. If you're talking about doing things through official channels then, according to point 6b of the minutes from the last AGM, an EGM can be called for by 50 fully paid up members putting a 'demand' in writing, stating the business to be discussed. The notice for an EGM currently stands at 30 days. It will change to 60 if the new draft constitution is adopted, but that isn't going to be for well over a month so now's the time to act if you want something done in time for next season, as far as I can see.

Thanks Ruth, so if I get 50 members who, like me, are looking for transparency of how the RC is elected, I can call an EGM and the MT will be required to answer my questions relating to this?

Or could they just simply respond to this thread? Save a lot of hassle wouldn't it? Unless there's skeletons!!! ;)

Tim

[Redruth]

Yep. And votes are determined by a simple majority, with the Chair having a casting vote in the event of a tie.

[Gizmo]

Thanks Ruth, so if I get 50 members who, like me, are looking for transparency of how the RC is elected, I can call an EGM and the MT will be required to answer my questions relating to this?

Or could they just simply respond to this thread? Save a lot of hassle wouldn't it? Unless there's skeletons!!! ;)

Tim

Sorry, not my place in DD but i believe what is going on here has a major impact on this club and its future as a club rather than a race organisation.

Tim, you can't call an egm, the club currently runs under the rules as printed on the back of the membership form , no facility exists for any member or group of members to call an EGM unless MT agree to it..... One of the main reasons for the time and effort I put into the review was to allow the membership the opportunity to make changes when needed as the current rules totally prevent this.

Even if the new constitution is adopted ( actually its almost impossible for any MT proposal not to be adopted) it still does not go into the day to day running of club activities which have to be MT decisions and quorums and required number of MT votes are defined in the new document ( or they were on the last version I saw).

To really effect a change in the running of DD ( is that what the aim is??) you need to have a majority on the MT and be willing to have input into the rest of the club activities. A member of MT will represent the views of the DD racers but those views are passed via a sub committe ( riders reps), All of MT then make a decision on it considering that input, this is exactly how regions and events have their input and follows established club guidelines. To cover sub committees within the constitution review would have taken forever but could form part of another review at a later date if MT approved that review.


Greater transparency can only come from the MT member who represents DD. I would add that part of the review also required MT meeting minutes to be published within a set time frame which should help with this if its still in.

[Rattler]

Sorry, not my place in DD but i believe what is going on here has a major impact on this club and its future as a club rather than a race organisation.

Tim, you can't call an egm, the club currently runs under the rules as printed on the back of the membership form , no facility exists for any member or group of members to call an EGM unless MT agree to it..... One of the main reasons for the time and effort I put into the review was to allow the membership the opportunity to make changes when needed as the current rules totally prevent this.

Even if the new constitution is adopted ( actually its almost impossible for any MT proposal not to be adopted) it still does not go into the day to day running of club activities which have to be MT decisions and quorums and required number of MT votes are defined in the new document ( or they were on the last version I saw).

To really effect a change in the running of DD ( is that what the aim is??) you need to have a majority on the MT and be willing to have input into the rest of the club activities. A member of MT will represent the views of the DD racers but those views are passed via a sub committe ( riders reps), All of MT then make a decision on it considering that input, this is exactly how regions and events have their input and follows established club guidelines. To cover sub committees within the constitution review would have taken forever but could form part of another review at a later date if MT approved that review.


Greater transparency can only come from the MT member who represents DD. I would add that part of the review also required MT meeting minutes to be published within a set time frame which should help with this if its still in.

Thanks for the response - at the risk of sounding overly controversial - it seems like a closed shop to me!!!

Now this may be normal practice, but it seems strange to me. So if an individual wants to be on the RC (not a rider's rep), they need to be elected onto the MT first and then get a majority vote to be nominated as the DD representative for the MT?

Some questions;
- What's the process for getting onto the committee?
- What is the process for nominating / voting the MT member onto the RC?
- Who are the present members of the MT and what are their roles?

Many thanks
Tim

[Chaz]

50 people to form an egm, FM you could change a goverment with less, you'r spot on with that Tim closed shop

[Rattler]

I've moved these specific points over to Paul James' new thread;

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/showthread.php?t=37362

[Gizmo]

Thanks for the response - at the risk of sounding overly controversial - it seems like a closed shop to me!!!

Now this may be normal practice, but it seems strange to me. So if an individual wants to be on the RC (not a rider's rep), they need to be elected onto the MT first and then get a majority vote to be nominated as the DD representative for the MT?

Some questions;
- What's the process for getting onto the committee?
- What is the process for nominating / voting the MT member onto the RC?
- Who are the present members of the MT and what are their roles?

Many thanks
Tim

Sorry Tim, I didn't explain that very clearly.

No laid down procedure exists within the current or reworded constitution for the make up or powers of sub committees of which the DD RC would be one. There is a clause which allows the formation of sub committees.

No laid down procedure exists within the current or reworded constitution as to who is appointed DD representative within MT or how that vote takes place. This could be easily sorted by adding a 10th MT member responsible for DD or amending proposed job roles to suit.

it is my belief that the club can only move step by step, firstly we need a framework which allows membership to have the facility to make changes and for the clubs rules to adapt to changes in the way the club runs. The new constitution almost does that and provides an opportunity for more members to get involved, over time things like RC and sub committee procedure can be formalized but at this time and considering the number of people prepared to get involved in the "politics" which make this happen it isn't going to be in the short term.

To guarantee you can make changes, yes, you need to get elected to MT and be able to convince the other members of MT that the change needed is in the clubs interest and get a majority to support it. That is the same for any other part of the club, be it regions, Pronto whatever.

I agree its a closed shop or at least looks like it to the average member hence my attempts to go to annual election of officials like every other club I've seen, this hasn't happened but even if it did are there enough committed and willing volunteers to step into the posts if they became available? its very easy to knock existing MT until you ask yourself "am I prepared to do that job?"

[Rattler]

Thanks Gizmo - I am not knocking the existing MT, merely trying to best understand the process. I may however indirectly be knocking the process(es).

I may be prepared to stand for election to the MT to run the DD series - but I do feel that I might have blotted my copybook by challenging existing practices. At least that's how it feels sometimes.

Tim

[Gizmo]

Thanks Gizmo - I am not knocking the existing MT, merely trying to best understand the process. I may however indirectly be knocking the process(es).

I may be prepared to stand for election to the MT to run the DD series - but I do feel that I might have blotted my copybook by challenging existing practices. At least that's how it feels sometimes.

Tim

No probs Tim, I'm just trying to keep anyone interested informed of where we got to with some of those proposed systems. there is room for improvement but at least if its adopted it allows that to happen albeit maybe not at the speed some would want. i don't think anyone really knows how much time and effort was put into getting as far as we did but ti still needs more :(

[Rattler]

No probs Tim, I'm just trying to keep anyone interested informed of where we got to with some of those proposed systems. there is room for improvement but at least if its adopted it allows that to happen albeit maybe not at the speed some would want. i don't think anyone really knows how much time and effort was put into getting as far as we did but ti still needs more :(

Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

[domski]

i don't think anyone really knows how much time and effort was put into getting as far as we did but ti still needs more :(

It would appear that you need infinate time and effort to get precisely nowhere.

Which is a shame really. Think how great this club COULD be with the right people doing the right jobs!

Good luck Tim if you decide it's worth it - I for one will appreciate your time and effort.

[GsxrAge]

I aint in the dd nor am I a member of the DSC anymore but the MT and by the sounds of it, the RC are a tight group that have very bad hearing :lol:

Perhaps you need to be a member of the special hand shake club :confused:

I do remember someone trying to shake up the running of the club but he resigned !


I vote Henners for PM (especialy as he has a GSXR now) :lol: :D

[Monty]

"It would appear that you need infinate time and effort to get precisely nowhere" you forgot patience Dom, you need infinate time, effort, and patience to get anywhere-you then need the understanding that having got where you were trying to go you will have a load of barrack room lawyers who will climb all over you and rubbish your efforts because you didn't end up where THEY wanted to go. Of course had you ended up where they wanted to go just as likely another load of barrack room lawyers would be climbing all over you saying how you had got it wrong. It's called Catch 22-and then people wonder why no-one wants to do anything. Of course all the barrack room lawyers are far to busy to actually DO anything constructive-it's much easier to pick holes and rubbish other peoples efforts-which is why I am resigning from the MT at the next AGM.

John-more in sadness than in anger.

[GsxrAge]

"It would appear that you need infinate time and effort to get precisely nowhere" you forgot patience Dom, you need infinate time, effort, and patience to get anywhere-you then need the understanding that having got where you were trying to go you will have a load of barrack room lawyers who will climb all over you and rubbish your efforts because you didn't end up where THEY wanted to go. Of course had you ended up where they wanted to go just as likely another load of barrack room lawyers would be climbing all over you saying how you had got it wrong. It's called Catch 22-and then people wonder why no-one wants to do anything. Of course all the barrack room lawyers are far to busy to actually DO anything constructive-it's much easier to pick holes and rubbish other peoples efforts-which is why I am resigning from the MT at the next AGM.

John-more in sadness than in anger.

:o

oops was it something someone said ?

[domski]

"It would appear that you need infinate time and effort to get precisely nowhere" you forgot patience Dom, you need infinate time, effort, and patience to get anywhere-you then need the understanding that having got where you were trying to go you will have a load of barrack room lawyers who will climb all over you and rubbish your efforts because you didn't end up where THEY wanted to go. Of course had you ended up where they wanted to go just as likely another load of barrack room lawyers would be climbing all over you saying how you had got it wrong. It's called Catch 22-and then people wonder why no-one wants to do anything. Of course all the barrack room lawyers are far to busy to actually DO anything constructive-it's much easier to pick holes and rubbish other peoples efforts-which is why I am resigning from the MT at the next AGM.

John-more in sadness than in anger.

Yeah. Whatever. Probably best we just do nothing then, at least that keeps everyone picking holes.

Incidently, I've offered my help on several occasions - but the MT want to have total control over any help offered. I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. Maybe if every decision on every subject didn't have to be run past the MT when they can all get in one place at one time to discuss it, then progress could be made. It would appear though that nobody can be trusted, so we continue to get precisely nowhere, no matter how much time, effort AND patience we all have.

Enjoy the quiet life John.

[Otei]

"It would appear that you need infinate time and effort to get precisely nowhere" you forgot patience Dom, you need infinate time, effort, and patience to get anywhere-you then need the understanding that having got where you were trying to go you will have a load of barrack room lawyers who will climb all over you and rubbish your efforts because you didn't end up where THEY wanted to go. Of course had you ended up where they wanted to go just as likely another load of barrack room lawyers would be climbing all over you saying how you had got it wrong. It's called Catch 22-and then people wonder why no-one wants to do anything. Of course all the barrack room lawyers are far to busy to actually DO anything constructive-it's much easier to pick holes and rubbish other peoples efforts-which is why I am resigning from the MT at the next AGM.

John-more in sadness than in anger.


BULLLCHEEEESE!!

It seems that Mr Bushell is highly adept at interpreting the law, as slippery as it and he both seem to be, so let him answer those questions, As for people being more willing to criticise than do anything constructive. Ummm, yeah, right.

I wish that I hadn't had such a smack on the head before the Saturday night meeting, as there was alot that I wanted to say, but just couldn't put words to thoughts at the time as I felt pretty rough.

There were some interesting and intelligent comments at the meeting, but to be honest, I think they were derived more from a fear of losing everything, rather than the courage to stand by the people that were genuinely attempting to improve EVERYONES lot in their DD life. If everyone had the balls to have faith in the notion that they weren't doing this for their own, but everyones benefit, then proceedings may have taken a slightly more constructive course.

Such is life though, and I respect the fact that people were interested enough in the series to put serious, probing questions to the people they call good friends, I do think that there were some duplicitous arguments going on though. Certain people need to make up their mind just what they consider to be important, and at what time they choose that argument to be of merit.

The simple fact is, that the majority of riders are happy to stay with the DSC (so be it, I have no problem with that, given certain conditions), but have made it perfectly clear that they are unhappy with the conduct of some of the higher management. The thing that galls me, is that many of the riders in the paddock were hysterically vocal when Dom was protested under such blatantly personal conditions, yet are suddenly unwilling to offer the same support to an attempt to improve the series for fear of losing the series itself. For such bright folk to be that blinkered is a trifle embarrassing. Do you really think that they would go to the efforts they have, just to screw your series. Dear me, weak sauce, people.

At the end of the day though, I'm always willing to listen to argument and advice.

I entered the meeting in full support of the breakaway, but left it thinking that maybe all that really needed changing were the people in charge and that the new suggestions, along with any others that are worthy should be implemented. There were some great ideas suggested, but I have a nagging suspicion that they will all be agreed to, then when you've paid your deposits, it'll be "Sorry, they just weren't implementable, nothing to do with us!"

There isn't that much wrong with DD, but frankly, I think that it needs to be run by different people.

Thank youuuuu.

[Redruth]

Tim, you can't call an egm, the club currently runs under the rules as printed on the back of the membership form
To really effect a change in the running of DD ( is that what the aim is??) you need to have a majority on the MT and be willing to have input into the rest of the club activities. A member of MT will represent the views of the DD racers but those views are passed via a sub committe ( riders reps), All of MT then make a decision on it considering that input, this is exactly how regions and events have their input and follows established club guidelines. To cover sub committees within the constitution review would have taken forever but could form part of another review at a later date if MT approved that review.




Oops! I was looking at a document headed 'constitution' attached to the Agenda for the AGM which I thought was the original constitution, but clearly it wasn't, as there isn't one, just Rules as per the membership form. I'm only just getting the picture now, thanks to Mike. Sorry for butting in :devil:

[skidlids]

BULLLCHEEEESE!!

I entered the meeting in full support of the breakaway,

And you have been a member of the DSC for how long ?

No wonder you are happy to have the series breakaway from the DSC as like others you have only joined the DSC to race in DD a series setup by the DSC through its management team and members.

I wasn't impressed at the meeting from what I could make out a small group of DSC members including one from the management team wanted to get existing DD riders to support a breakaway series and not the DSC series.
To try and drum up support they made several statements that were not backed up by facts.
one minute we were told that one of them had been approached by JP of New Era about running an alternative series and the next minute we were told JP didn't want to get involved in club politics. So if he doesn't want to get involved in club politics why is he bothering to seek out somebody to talk about an alternative series and apparently he managed to seek out just the right people who would be interested or maybe it was the other way round somebody interested in running a alternative series approached him.

Will I be doing DD next year
Well that will depend, certain situations this year need to be resolved first, as does size of and number of grids.

I am more than happy to go back to doing what I was doing before DD was formed and will be staying a DSC member as there is far more to the club than DD and some of the politics that goes on.
For £25 I joined a club that has offered me a great deal over the years. One thing is for certain I'm not interested in joining a breakaway series as I believe in the reasons why DD was started.
To allow the membership of the DSC to make the step-up from trackdays to racing in the same friendly emviroment that they experienced at the DSC trackdays.
And for many this is exactly what DD has done and I'm sure some of them are greatful to the MT for allowing them to do so.

[domski]

And you have been a member of the DSC for how long ?

Is there a limit before you can have an opinion?

No wonder you are happy to have the series breakaway from the DSC as like others you have only joined the DSC to race in DD a series setup by the DSC through its management team and members.

And if people didn't, you'd have a grid of under 20 bikes, which eventually would become a big fat ZERO. You need people to join DSC to do DD, or there would be no series.

I wasn't impressed at the meeting from what I could make out a small group of DSC members including one from the management team wanted to get existing DD riders to support a breakaway series and not the DSC series.
To try and drum up support they made several statements that were not backed up by facts.

They were all backed up by facts, but in order to protect those involved, we couldn't provide names. History proves that as soon as facts are released, certain people run off and tell tales, followed by club management phoning around and ****ging various people off.

Kev, you for one ran straight to the MT when you were shown a private email. Then Chris Bushell sytematically started phoning people to start a rumour about an email that alledgedly went out to certain people and not others, he then also rang around various sponsors to accuse them of sponsoring a breakaway - Nice work.

I won't even mention Snetterton!!

Ooops, I did.

one minute we were told that one of them had been approached by JP of New Era about running an alternative series

That's correct.

and the next minute we were told JP didn't want to get involved in club politics.

That's correct.

So if he doesn't want to get involved in club politics why is he bothering to seek out somebody to talk about an alternative series and apparently he managed to seek out just the right people who would be interested

Because the 'right' people were still at Snetterton, long after everyone else had left. Tidying up the remains of all the days politics!!!!!

or maybe it was the other way round somebody interested in running a alternative series approached him.

or maybe it wasn't.

Stop making wrong assumptions. Base your argument on FACT - like you keep banging on about.

I am more than happy to go back to doing what I was doing before DD was formed

Good.

[itexuk]

And you have been a member of the DSC for how long ?

No wonder you are happy to have the series breakaway from the DSC as like others you have only joined the DSC to race in DD a series setup by the DSC through its management team and members.

I wasn't impressed at the meeting from what I could make out a small group of DSC members including one from the management team wanted to get existing DD riders to support a breakaway series and not the DSC series.
To try and drum up support they made several statements that were not backed up by facts.
one minute we were told that one of them had been approached by JP of New Era about running an alternative series and the next minute we were told JP didn't want to get involved in club politics. So if he doesn't want to get involved in club politics why is he bothering to seek out somebody to talk about an alternative series and apparently he managed to seek out just the right people who would be interested or maybe it was the other way round somebody interested in running a alternative series approached him.

Will I be doing DD next year
Well that will depend, certain situations this year need to be resolved first, as does size of and number of grids.

I am more than happy to go back to doing what I was doing before DD was formed and will be staying a DSC member as there is far more to the club than DD and some of the politics that goes on.
For £25 I joined a club that has offered me a great deal over the years. One thing is for certain I'm not interested in joining a breakaway series as I believe in the reasons why DD was started.
To allow the membership of the DSC to make the step-up from trackdays to racing in the same friendly emviroment that they experienced at the DSC trackdays.
And for many this is exactly what DD has done and I'm sure some of them are greatful to the MT for allowing them to do so.

The MT has not allowed them, THE CLUB HAS.

[Chaz]

Is there a limit before you can have an opinion?



And if people didn't, you'd have a grid of under 20 bikes, which eventually would become a big fat ZERO. You need people to join DSC to do DD, or there would be no series.



They were all backed up by facts, but in order to protect those involved, we couldn't provide names. History proves that as soon as facts are released, certain people run off and tell tales, followed by club management phoning around and ****ging various people off.

Kev, you for one ran straight to the MT when you were shown a private email. Then Chris Bushell sytematically started phoning people to start a rumour about an email that alledgedly went out to certain people and not others, he then also rang around various sponsors to accuse them of sponsoring a breakaway - Nice work.

I won't even mention Snetterton!!

Ooops, I did.



That's correct.



That's correct.



Because the 'right' people were still at Snetterton, long after everyone else had left. Tidying up the remains of all the days politics!!!!!



or maybe it wasn't.

Stop making wrong assumptions. Base your argument on FACT - like you keep banging on about.



Good.

Just to clear things up I was the first person to talk to JP[at snetterton] about him runnig the series He started the conversation, He told me that New era would have no problems but didn't want to get involved in the politics.

[skidlids]

[QUOTE=domski]
Kev, you for one ran straight to the MT when you were shown a private email. Then Chris Bushell sytematically started phoning people to start a rumour about an email that alledgedly went out to certain people and not others, he then also rang around various sponsors to accuse them of sponsoring a breakaway - Nice work.
[QUOTE]

No I did not, the email was posted on this website way before I mentioned it to anyone
so get your facts right and stop making assumptions


[QUOTE=domski]
Stop making wrong assumptions. Base your argument on FACT - like you keep banging on about.
[QUOTE]

Ditto

and from Chass's post I'm to understand that JP approached Chass about forming an alternative series to the current DSC one for DD bikes.

As JP is the Chairman of both the ACU Road Race Committee and New Era club and with the DSC affiliated to the ACU then there are questions that need to be asked,Especially if Chass is not a payed up member of either the ACU or New Era.

[CK]

rather than the backwards-going mud slinging, can we move forwards chaps?

How about the MT co-opting someone immediately - somone with the valid ideas to at least 'steer' a RC through the winter? Thus alleviating the present MT from having an extra workload.

As Rattler has many valid points, maybe the MT could approach him to do this?
Perhaps Butch or Lizzie who are both on the MT - if they had the time could also be involved too, as they are present at all rounds?

Perhaps Eamonn - as the 'over-ruling' person:) at present, could also be involved in this caretaking too, so that all the questions/rules/etc can be finalised in a good amount of time before next season.

It will be too late to implement anything if folks have to wait until the end of February for the AGM to then get a an elected RC before the 2007 season commences.

Fresh faces, new start - move forwards:)

Please?

Eamonn - Monty - your thoughts chaps?:)

[domski]

No I did not, the email was posted on this website way before I mentioned it to anyone. So get your facts right and stop making assumptions

I'm not making assumptions.

I sent 'that' email to MW, Butch, CK&AK, Chass and one other person who I know showed you!

I also know that none of the above sent a copy to Chris.

Maybe Chris has special powers and can read emails by the use of e-lepathy?

[skidlids]

I'm not making assumptions.

I sent 'that' email to MW, Butch, CK&AK, Chass and one other person who I know showed you!

I also know that none of the above sent a copy to Chris.

Maybe Chris has special powers and can read emails by the use of e-lepathy?

Maybe he does

as I said earlier I DID NOT send the email on to anybody, not a single person, that is nobody else in this world got a copy of it from me. Has it registered yet

SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS

What arrived in my mail box
From: desmo due <desmo.due@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: 21 September 2006 21:49
To: desmo.due@hotmail.co.uk <desmo.due@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Cadwell Park - Rider Meeting

So I wonder who is using the desmo.due@hotmail.co.uk account when I saw it I thought it may be one of a few people (some of who's names you have just mentioned) including you

So I now find myself wondering who the one other person is that you sent it to

[weeksyracing]

Everyone knows Dom sent it.... he managed to send to 2 people who had only EVER used their mail address he sent it to to register on Doms' DD forum.

therefore it could have come from no-where else.

[GsxrAge]

I think WEB team should lock this thread before DD self distructs !

Maybe the MT or RC should set up a vote to see what the majority want.

Age

[Rattler]

I think WEB team should lock this thread before DD self distructs !

Maybe the MT or RC should set up a vote to see what the majority want.

Age

The DD will not self-destruct, there are too many people who care passionately about it for that to happen.

This is what you are witnessing manifested in these posts, the DD will die when there are no posts about it. ;)