View Full Version : An idea...DD posting amnesty until the 18th Nov?
dickieducati
21-Oct-2006, 13:32
this really is all getting too stupid for words.........
its an extreme measure but its got to the stage where i think its needed.
can we call a halt on ALL DD related posts until after the nov 18th meeting unless it is purely of a 'info or advice' nature.
also how about an amnesty?
forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on.
it really would be the adult thing to do on all sides. EVERYONE genuinely interested in making DD better surely would agree this makes sense?
i am fully aware this is tantamount to sensorship, BUT if the majority agree its a good idea i dont see why it cant work.
this really is all getting too stupid for words.........
its an extreme measure but its got to the stage where i think its needed.
can we call a halt on ALL DD related posts until after the nov 18th meeting unless it is purely of a 'info or advice' nature.
also how about an amnesty?
forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on.
it really would be the adult thing to do on all sides. EVERYONE genuinely interested in making DD better surely would agree this makes sense?
i am fully aware this is tantamount to sensorship, BUT if the majority agree its a good idea i dont see why it cant work.
Good idea Dickie My vote is yes.
Murray Mint
21-Oct-2006, 13:36
Yes for me to.
Redruth
21-Oct-2006, 13:38
this really is all getting too stupid for words.........
its an extreme measure but its got to the stage where i think its needed.
can we call a halt on ALL DD related posts until after the nov 18th meeting unless it is purely of a 'info or advice' nature.
also how about an amnesty?
forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on.
it really would be the adult thing to do on all sides. EVERYONE genuinely interested in making DD better surely would agree this makes sense?
i am fully aware this is tantamount to sensorship, BUT if the majority agree its a good idea i dont see why it cant work.
Seconded.
Iconic944ss
21-Oct-2006, 13:39
Great idea.
I'm certainly in favour of an 'Amnesty' on the DD issues concerning posting on here.
Well done Dickie.
NB x2
If users are in agreement not to post - certainly isnt censorship in my eyes!
Not a good post title - something like 'DD posting amnesty poll?'
might be better; pls PM me if you want it changed.
Frank
multi600
21-Oct-2006, 14:20
Nice one, gets my vote.
Mike
Zimbo16
21-Oct-2006, 15:01
Gets my vote too. It's got just too childish and at times plain nasty, none of the main posters is prepared to back down or compromise, and several are stirring things up every chance they get. There may well be some valid points raised, but they're completely lost in the back biting and drivel.
I'm saying nothing ;)
By the way I voted yes!
ericthered40
21-Oct-2006, 15:52
At last :lol:
That's a joke Dom OK.:D
Good Idea Dickie.
peace at last, peace at last. M L K :)
TheDuke
21-Oct-2006, 15:59
Well i'm lost on all this dd stuff n e way... and i usually skip all the DD GUMPH anyway,
I thought this site was used to inform/help people.... and that was it, as well as the main thing....HAVIN A LAFF!!
I understand everyone has their right to their own opinion, or that things could be done better a slighty different way but C'MON!!, we are all adults, so lets start to set an example, and show everyone on the inside or the outside of DD that we ....WE... can all get along, and if there is a point to be raised, it will be raised down the proper avenue's(the meeting being 1!)
I on the other hand am not going to the meeting, as i believe i'm not in any position to attend because i've mot been a member long enough.
BUT.... I trust it's not just gonna be a WITCH HUNT!!, and myself and all the other racers will be able to enjoy a fab 2007 season!!!
From a trusting, not worrying and excited racer :frog:
The Duke..57
everton
21-Oct-2006, 16:07
Why would anyone vote NO? Well somebody has. :rolleyes:
btw I voted Yes
Mutters
21-Oct-2006, 16:13
yep!
But what will we do for entertainment instead?
Oh by the way that was a joke for the hard of thinking.
Dementor
21-Oct-2006, 19:25
The most sensible thing said all week. YES
I wonder who the one odball is?
psychlist
21-Oct-2006, 20:22
I wonder who the one odball is?
Hitler, he only had one ball,
Goering had two, but very small,
Himmler, was terribly similar
and Dr Goebels had no balls at all!
Allegedly :ninja:
Excellent idea. I'm relieved that the majority who voted agree with it!
hope i'm not speaking too soon, but well done mr dickieducati.
this idea of yours seems to be working:D
stevebale
22-Oct-2006, 11:06
Thank god,, sanity finally... Well done
Anyone watch the grand prix?
Anyone watch the grand prix?
Wrong post ****
philthy
22-Oct-2006, 21:08
I wonder who the one odball is?
Ivor Bollokov
Wrong post ****
And a may all your christmasses be blessed with brussel sprouts.
Scooter916
22-Oct-2006, 22:08
And a may all your christmasses be blessed with brussel sprouts.
LOL I like it.......
Just so we can be all crystal like in our clarity. What everyone is saying ‘yes’ to is:
can we call a halt on ALL DD related posts until after the nov 18th meeting unless it is purely of a 'info or advice' nature.
also how about an amnesty?
forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on.
And I take it that when Jools says:
Me too
he is posting that as a member of the MT. This means that the MT has agreed to the:
forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on.
bit. Right?
Just to be clear.
And a may all your christmasses be blessed with brussel sprouts.
Just put that down to your intelligence or lac of.
Just put that down to your intelligence or lac of.
Your lack of intelligence is shown in your use of profanity when there are many other words that require use of intelligence.
Oh and you should get a spell checker, you can get a add on for firefox that will do this. Shall I explain how to install it or do you have enough intelligence?
philthy
22-Oct-2006, 22:37
I like sprouts
If, having understood a PM from another member of the MT correctly, that is most definatly not the case Rally !
But Dickie’s most excellent suggestion is a trade off: We stop posting about DD issues until the meeting on the 18th of November. The MT reinstate all banned/moderated members and halt all 'investigations' until the meeting on the 18th.
It would seem from the 95% “Yes” vote that there is only one side of this bargain.
Perhaps I’m missing something.
I like sprouts
So what the difference between snot and sprouts?
philthy
22-Oct-2006, 22:41
I don't like snot
Are you stirring things up or why not post the pm up and show us the 'truth'
No, you can't get children to eat sprouts.
****ssd ay.
I like sprouts
No. You can't get children to eat sprouts.
philthy
22-Oct-2006, 22:53
Mine do.
Rally, my take aswell, everyone in a padded room and we don't come out till its sorted :) TBH as I have not yet started my first season I will be doing alot of listening, I don't know the half of it, any way, enough, respect the thread man ;)
Xzacaly get back on thread.
Not sure if that was aimed at me, if it was, forget it, Personal Message, to me means exactly that, if I disagree with it I will take it up with the author, or the webteam.
So why post the comment then?
Rally, my take aswell, everyone in a padded room and we don't come out till its sorted :) TBH as I have not yet started my first season I will be doing alot of listening, I don't know the half of it, any way, enough, respect the thread man ;)
Sorry Ian, that's not what I'm saying. Everyone who has said 'Yes' is answering the proposition:
"We stop posting about DD issues. The MT reinstate all banned/moderated members and halt all 'investigations'"
Everyone who has said 'Yes' is going to stop posting about DD issues.
Are the MT going to reinstate all banned/moderated members and halt all 'investigations'?
If not then everyone who said 'Yes' is getting a bad deal. If not then the proposition may as well read:
"We stop posting about DD issues ALLOWING the MT to continue to ban/moderate members and CONTINUE all 'investigations'"
dickieducati
23-Oct-2006, 10:38
this post has been up for a couple of days now and a good number of votes has come in with a majority going for the cooling off/anmesty option.
could the MT post up an 'official' response as to whether this is acceptable to them?
thanks in advance.
When I said 'me too' I was expressing a personal agreement that a period where everybody backed off from posting contentious 'tit for tat' emails around DD was a superb idea. In terms of a cooling off period for everybody concerned, with whatever point of view, over DD topics - that's a good idea too. My personal views - independent of my MT membership.
Remember though that some people are under moderation for repeatedly breaking the forum rules that we are all requested to adhere to. All posts, by all members, can be reported by the whole membership if they are felt to be beyond the bounds of acceptable behaviour and some people are moderated because people from the wider membership have called for it. In many cases their moderation has nothing whatever to do with DD
Moderation is a temporary measure, designed to let people cool off before posting again. It does not mean that those people are banned from posting, it simply means that their posts are screened for any further breach of forum rules. The webteam moderators attempt to exercise this with utmost objectivity and people on both sides of flame war arguements have found themselves being placed under moderation.
Do the webteam always get it right? Of course not. It's a very, very difficult job to do especially when everybody, with whatever shade of opinion, seems to be firing from the hip. I am not a moderator, but those people who are moderators have had to face charges of bias because they've left threads open that others feel should be removed for a few minutes longer than their own threads lasted before being removed. I think it's only fair to remind people that being a moderator is a voluntary position that does not mean being on duty 24 x 7 monitoring every thread. There is also a view that if you're moderated it affects your ability to put your views forward because you do not have 'real time' access, however, it is entirely possible in my view to summarise your arguements and present them without using language that would not get past a moderator
'Amnesty' is an often misused word. What it means is that whatever somebody has done they are granted the status of absolute innocence.
So, in message board terms should we allow people to post whatever they like without any consequence? Should we simply overlook any, and all, posts that break the rules that members have voted for? Should we back off from enforcing the rules that members have voted for simply because people who are currently the subjects of enforcement of these rules shout loudly about it? The membership of the club have voted for the website to be accessible (in all but one forum) to anybody that wants to post. Should we let non-members roam free to use the resources we pay for for whatever purposes and agenda they hold, regardless of whether they have the clubs interests or damaging it in mind?
My own view is, in that direction lies a Visordown type forum. There are plenty of examples. One that springs to mind is the vicious attack that Jewell (a non-member) made upon GXSRAge (another non-member). We banned Jewell because that is what a statistically valid number of members wanted. We could lift that ban and simply pretend that it never happened - that's what 'Amnesty' truly means, but if that's what members want let's have another look at the forum rules at the AGM.
'Amnesty' over any other club related issue?
The MT don't have the power to grant 'Amnesty' to anyone. The MT are simply the people whom the membership has voted for and entrusted to look after the interests of the club and to try to promote it's success.
Within that framework, the MT are required to act as arbiters of any disagreement between club members, or other matters that materially affect the club and it's assets. In the current situation, some club members (no, not MT members, nor MT supporters - if there are any) are demanding an explanation from others over their course of action. Simple as that.
I'm going to stop now. I fully support the idea of 'peace breaking out', but I can't help feeling that, being asked by others to respond, and making this reply in return has already contravened the spirit of calling a ceasefire that the original post called for.
That's going to be my last public word on the whole issue. If anyone wants to talk to me about it PM me.
Chris Wood
23-Oct-2006, 14:09
DD Amnesty; 'If you've not got anything interesting or constructive to say then don't say anything'....works for me!
dickieducati
23-Oct-2006, 14:22
i was using the term amnesty purely relating to events that have already taken place:
"also how about an amnesty?"
"forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on."
it was really just an attempt for everyone to say, "its got stupid, let bygones be bygones and start afresh"
i would hope that with 90% in favour of this option the MT would embrace it.
i know most of the MT have read it and would hope a 'collective MT' statement could be posted.
i am fully aware each MT member may have their own individual views.
As per the meeting thread if people want to discuss something at the meeting they can send it to me for inclusion in the agenda :)
i was using the term amnesty purely relating to events that have already taken place:
"also how about an amnesty?"
"forget what happened; who did what to whome; reinstate all banned/moderated members; halt all 'investigations'; wipe the slate clean; have the meeting; let everyone air their views; improve the series and move on."
it was really just an attempt for everyone to say, "its got stupid, let bygones be bygones and start afresh"
i would hope that with 90% in favour of this option the MT would embrace it.
i know most of the MT have read it and would hope a 'collective MT' statement could be posted.
i am fully aware each MT member may have their own individual views.
Exactly how I saw it, MT need to postpone any action against individuals over this until after the meeting on the 18th when they can decide if its needed and similarly any member with issues to raise mails them to Claire for inclusion, not post them on here.
Exactly how I saw it, MT need to postpone any action against individuals over this until after the meeting on the 18th when they can decide if its needed
agreed
and similarly any member with issues to raise mails them to Claire for inclusion, not post them on here.
sent
So, given the large number of people who signed up to the proposition: "We stop posting about DD issues. The MT reinstate all banned/moderated members and halt all 'investigations'"
... and, in light of recent events, how do you think the actions of the MT reflects on their consideration of the wishes of the membership?
antonye
13-Nov-2006, 22:09
So, given the large number of people who signed up to the proposition: "We stop posting about DD issues. The MT reinstate all banned/moderated members and halt all 'investigations'"
... and, in light of recent events, how do you think the actions of the MT reflects on their consideration of the wishes of the membership?
The only problem is that this online poll is not respresentative of the membership as a whole, nor is it representative of the online membership as this poll is open to anyone - member or not.
I presume nobody has actually proposed this to the MT through the proper channels? It's not the MT's fault if nobody can be arsed to do it properly...
antonye
13-Nov-2006, 22:24
So the week before THE meeting to which only MEMBERS are allowed, a couple of outspoken members have alledgedly been ousted, thus no longer allowing them to be present at THE meeting. Am I right in also thinking that this is after the cut off date for questions to be forwarded to Lily for inclusion in said meeting ?
Cut-off date was 8th November, that was last week, so no reason why their questions are not going to be aired at the meeting if they have sent them in as per the instructions?
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