Dropping race results - yes/no?

[domski]

OK, this is for friendly debate ONLY!!!!

My view on dropping races is that it tends to encourage people to not attend one race meeting, and in turn this leads to reduced grids.

EXAMPLE:

Say you have 50 riders, 25 in each class - we have 2 grids, great!

If each of those riders can drop a round, and uses that option, then you potentially have 7 riders missing from each round (based on 7 rounds) which then means you could have 21-22 in each class, and a combined grid?

That leads to another problem... you now have 42-44 riders to fill 40 spaces - which happened at Castle Combe and Cadwell Park this year, and ultimately some people will drop out (knowing they won't qualify) and some won't get to race coz they were last to get an entry in.

At some meetings you may get 15 peeps not attending - coz it doesn't affect their championship. Is that what we're trying to put across? Surely we want full grids everywhere?

It also rewards those who attend all rounds/races. I know some will say that they have other committments, but we're talking about 7 weekends out of 52, and we'll know the dates long in advance.

Therefore, I think that ALL UK races should count towards the championship.

Assen, can be a non-championship round for 2 reasons;

1. There isn't room for everyone that may want to go (44 slots & 50+ riders?)
2. It's more about the 'experience' of the whole event. It's quite incredible and I'd race there for no points or prizes.

So, what are you views on this?

We may get a chance to vote (I believe) so it's good to knock ideas about.

Remember - Keep it friendly!!!!!!!!

[NBs996]

My own view is all should count with assen as a non-championship round. But in consideration of what murray said about his family holiday... I'm the one wot voted 'other'
Drop 1 uk race, assen no points. That's not ideal for everyone but I think a good compromise... it encourages entries into every round cos we can't drop both races from it, and murray can take the wife n kids to butlins and only lose one result not 2. Not ideal, but in compromise of grid size vs other comitments.

[AK]

Dom, agree with your view
all uk races to count - and assen to be non-points as not everyone is likely to get a grid spot

[Murray Mint]

I think Nick has sumed it up from my point of view.

[Lily]

Dom

I am just finishing off the minutes and actions from the meeting and one of the actions is to put forward the variety of options that were proposed surrounding dropping rounds so people can vote on a clear set of options as it can get a bit confusing what people are voting for at times.

[NBs996]

I think Nick has sumed it up from my point of view.

So far that poll doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy then!
Don't worry, you can have some of my points... I won't be needing them all.

[domski]

Drop 1 uk race, assen no points. That's not ideal for everyone but I think a good compromise... it encourages entries into every round cos we can't drop both races from it, and murray can take the wife n kids to butlins and only lose one result not 2. Not ideal, but in compromise of grid size vs other comitments.

What you're saying (without actually saying it :lol: ) that it's ok to drop a round (2 races) coz you'll only lose 1 lot of points - assuming you drop 1 of the races and forfeit the 2nd.

Surely you may as well let people to drop 2 races, if you can drop 1?

:confused:

There are 50+ riders, and if a couple can't make a round coz their holiday clashes, then why make the other 48 drop a race?

Surely if all UK races count, people will make more of an effort to turn up?

Just my 3p ;)

[rich-racing.co.uk]

I bet valentino rossi wishes he could have dropped a couple of rounds.......

[TP]

This is a tough one. I can see where Murray is coming from but I think it's more important to get maximum attendance at each round and so I've voted for all UK races to count and Assen non-championship.

As much as I think being able to drop a race or two would be handy and I'd like it personally, I think that having them all count is better for the championship in the 'bigger picture' view.

:)

[Tonio600]

Have to agree with TP, even if I do understand Murray's point... :(

[Gilps]

To get two separate grids, what do New Era want from us? Is it guaranteed number of riders on the grid, or a fully paid up grid and don't care how many actually turn up?
My thinking is this. What if we all pay up front for all the races then if anyone drops out New Era still get their money. I know this won't be popular with many as it's a lot of money to find up front, me included, and the idea is that this is supposed to be low cost racing, but it's just a suggestion.

[Iconic944ss]

Can't believe I'm agreeing with Dom :)

Are there any other race series where riders are allowed to drop a round or more??? and is it ran the same as DD was in 2006?

I think just from a point of clarity its better to have all UK rounds count - everyone can see instantly where they stand.

Frank

[NBs996]

What you're saying (without actually saying it :lol: ) that it's ok to drop a round (2 races) coz you'll only lose 1 lot of points - assuming you drop 1 of the races and forfeit the 2nd.

Surely you may as well let people to drop 2 races, if you can drop 1?

:confused:

There are 50+ riders, and if a couple can't make a round coz their holiday clashes, then why make the other 48 drop a race?

Surely if all UK races count, people will make more of an effort to turn up?

Just my 3p ;)

That's kinda what I'm saying, but kinda not... was just throwing a compromise suggestion into the pot.

It'd be much easier if all rounds count, end of story. If you don't turn up for whatever reason then you lose out - it's only a hobby!
In the end, majority must rule, and I'll happily go along with that.

[NBs996]

Gilps - lend us £k would ya! :lol:

[domski]

That's kinda what I'm saying, but kinda not... was just throwing a compromise suggestion into the pot.

Sure :)

I also understand Murray's view (crazy old fool!)

;)

[rich-racing.co.uk]

have voted for all rounds to count except assen. if there were 12 rounds, fair enough, but I think we should mostly be able to do 7.

[rich-racing.co.uk]

To get two separate grids, what do New Era want from us? Is it guaranteed number of riders on the grid, or a fully paid up grid and don't care how many actually turn up?
My thinking is this. What if we all pay up front for all the races then if anyone drops out New Era still get their money. I know this won't be popular with many as it's a lot of money to find up front, me included, and the idea is that this is supposed to be low cost racing, but it's just a suggestion.

no way i can find a grand having just bought the bike. guessing vast majority feel the same. no other new era class has to do it, why should we?
circumstances can change - what if someone loses their job?
no way this is workable

[domski]

no way i can find a grand having just bought the bike. guessing vast majority feel the same. no other new era class has to do it, why should we?
circumstances can change - what if someone loses their job?
no way this is workable

You're such a pessimist :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did your duck sink AGAIN?

;)

[Gilps]

no way i can find a grand having just bought the bike. guessing vast majority feel the same. no other new era class has to do it, why should we?
circumstances can change - what if someone loses their job?
no way this is workable
TBH I didn't think it would fly but I thought I'd just punt the idea about. I would struggle to find the money too, what with Xmas looming.

[stumpy1]

[QUOTE=Gilps]To get two separate grids, what do New Era want from us? Is it guaranteed number of riders on the grid, or a fully paid up grid and don't care how many actually turn up?
My thinking is this. What if we all pay up front for all the races then if anyone drops out New Era still get their money. I know this won't be popular with many as it's a lot of money to find up front, me included, and the idea is that this is

I will be doing every round,but there is no way i can pay for the whole season up front.....

[domski]

ermmm..imho..Assen no points and all uk rounds should count.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

[Paul James]

and is it ran the same as DD was in 2006?

Frank


To clarify for those who didn't compete this year, it was two race results dropped with Assen point scoring.

[domski]

and Plopski dont quite me as the reason you started this thread LOL....

One of the reasons ;)






Now, where did I put me nitrous kit...

[rich-racing.co.uk]

You're such a pessimist :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did your duck sink AGAIN?

;)

I'm not a pessimist.....:(

I just look on the dark side.

[stumpy1]

OK, this is for friendly debate ONLY!!!!

My view on dropping races is that it tends to encourage people to not attend one race meeting, and in turn this leads to reduced grids.

EXAMPLE:

Say you have 50 riders, 25 in each class - we have 2 grids, great!

If each of those riders can drop a round, and uses that option, then you potentially have 7 riders missing from each round (based on 7 rounds) which then means you could have 21-22 in each class, and a combined grid?

That leads to another problem... you now have 42-44 riders to fill 40 spaces - which happened at Castle Combe and Cadwell Park this year, and ultimately some people will drop out (knowing they won't qualify) and some won't get to race coz they were last to get an entry in.

At some meetings you may get 15 peeps not attending - coz it doesn't affect their championship. Is that what we're trying to put across? Surely we want full grids everywhere?

It also rewards those who attend all rounds/races. I know some will say that they have other committments, but we're talking about 7 weekends out of 52, and we'll know the dates long in advance.

Therefore, I think that ALL UK races should count towards the championship.

Assen, can be a non-championship round for 2 reasons;

1. There isn't room for everyone that may want to go (44 slots & 50+ riders?)
2. It's more about the 'experience' of the whole event. It's quite incredible and I'd race there for no points or prizes.

So, what are you views on this?

We may get a chance to vote (I believe) so it's good to knock ideas about.

Remember - Keep it friendly!!!!!!!!

Have to agree with what Dom saying about the weekends..the first 5 races are the weekends i should be working next year....I know what all my weekend are already for next year..so at the moment i'm trying to swap them around..
with the other guys i work with!!

And i will go with what everyone else wants!!

Can i race yet:)

[domski]

I know what all my weekend are already for next year..so at the moment i'm trying to swap them around..
with the other guys i work with!!

Crikey, I hope they don't change the dates too much then :o

[stumpy1]

Crikey, I hope they don't change the dates too much then :o

And me!!!:o

[Chris Wood]

All rounds / races to count - drop 2 or 3 race results.

Therefore, no one is forced to go to Assen, it's expensive regardless of how good it is, i'll be going anyway!!

You also get the opportunity to miss a round in the UK if circumstances force it.

It allows personal flexibility for what is a 'Novice' race series / summer holidays / school holidays / sickness / other events. etc...

If you want to race at every round all year, good for you, you have the advantage of knowing you can push hard all year knowing you can afford a bad day.

My example from this year;

Missed Brands - London Marathon - Nil pois, no cost

Missed Castle Coombe - Kidney Malfunction - Nil pois, £150 donation to NE.

Snetterton - tried to beat myself and others up twice. - Nil pois, £150 as above

Cadwell - bike won't start - Nil pois. £150 as above.


Anyway.....is it March yet?!

[ChrisBushell]

Have to agree with what Dom saying about the weekends..the first 5 races are the weekends i should be working next year....I know what all my weekend are already for next year..so at the moment i'm trying to swap them around..
with the other guys i work with!!

And i will go with what everyone else wants!!

Can i race yet:)

Having had a meeting at New Era to discuss the issues for 2007, please dont take the current calendar as anything like firm. We wont know the actual dates properly until probably the end of January.

The blame lies with Uncle Bernie and the F1!

[dickieducati]

All rounds / races to count - drop 2 or 3 race results.

Therefore, no one is forced to go to Assen, it's expensive regardless of how good it is, i'll be going anyway!!

You also get the opportunity to miss a round in the UK if circumstances force it.

It allows personal flexibility for what is a 'Novice' race series / summer holidays / school holidays / sickness / other events. etc...

If you want to race at every round all year, good for you, you have the advantage of knowing you can push hard all year knowing you can afford a bad day.



yep agree.

the personal flexibility /novice bit is key imho.

warm strudel anyone?

[fil2]

yep agree.

the personal flexibility /novice bit is key imho.

warm strudel anyone?


Is fwuuuuooot included or an extra.?

[Chris Wood]

Can the strudel be served HOT?

[stumpy1]

Having had a meeting at New Era to discuss the issues for 2007, please dont take the current calendar as anything like firm. We wont know the actual dates properly until probably the end of January.

The blame lies with Uncle Bernie and the F1!

Thanks for that Chris......I was just letting my work mates know,just incase they do stay the same!!

Ian

[fil2]

Can the strudel be served HOT?


No but you can have hot custard, or cold cream...!

Is sultana a fwooot

[Otei]

I would have to say that being able to drop a round would probably suit me, so that I could arrange other stuff to do elsewhere......and also because I swore I'd never race at Mallory.......

But in a rare moment of selflessness, I voted for the "all rounds to count except Assen" option, as I ultimately believe that keeping full grids will be a far more important aim than my loathing of the Leicestershire car park.

We'll see, I may have changed my mind when it comes time to vote on it properly.