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haga41cat
29-Nov-2006, 01:41
Hi everyone i know this is a site to chat about bikes and the like but i just felt i had to share this with someone as this happened just yards from me and its sadened me so much today and feel like i need to let something out! I work part time as a security guard at Tesco and at about 4pm this afternoon an elderly lady aged 74 died outside our store when two eastern european men drove their van at aprox 70-80mph (in a 40mph limit road) into her as she crossed the road just after being in the store doing some christmas shopping! She was thrown about 12 metres and onto the opposite carriageway, they dumped the van (which had also dragged her trolley 1/4 mile) but were caught by police and both found to be totally drunk and couldn't speak a word of english! Police said that the was no skid marks so no attempt to stop had even been made! I feel so sick and also angry that a woman of 74 years has her life taken away from her by such a careless and selfish act! These people came to this country for a better life only to abuse the system, let alone that they will probably be deported and ruined it for themselfs and others they also in the process have wrenched at the hearts of her loved ones and ended this poor womans life!
I don't know who her family are or what her name was but just wanted to try and show some sympathy and respect for her and her family especially as christmas is also so near!
God bless!
doogalman
29-Nov-2006, 06:13
Sadly the country is becoming used to these type of events.
Look at the news yesterday of that guy killed for his mobile. No remorse.
So So common. No thugs of any other guilty people seem bothered.
on a similar note, a mate of mine works for a tower grane company,a few weeks ago they had one come down in london killing the driver and a passerby, it took two days to retreve the body of the passerby as he was trapped under the jib, in that time some low life scum bag stole the blokes wallet
Florence
29-Nov-2006, 07:38
It doesn't matter if you're young or old, rich or poor. Society is a complete wreck!! Elderly raped and attacked, kids raped and attacked. It all just sickens me. :( :( My thoughts go out to the poor relatives left behind now.
rcgbob44
29-Nov-2006, 09:05
When will all the do gooders realise that there has to be a viable deterent to stop this scum from commiting crimes.
Bring back hanging, The birch, branding etc and make this filth think twice about commiting crime.
A few months ago the Met Commisioner announced that there would be an extra number of police put on the streets to combat crime, this will not work coz there is no deterent to stop these scumbags.
Its about time the government started to listed to what the public are saying and stop this namby pamby approach to crime.
They should also stop this incesant regime at hitting easy targets like motorists and speeding, within reason.
Makes my blood boil.
A few months ago the Met Commisioner announced that there would be an extra number of police put on the streets to combat crime, this will not work coz there is no deterent to stop these scumbags.
Your right. My sister and her Husband are both coppers in the Met. They told me that they arrest the same people for the same crimes week in, week out. But there is no deterent and no punishment.
They never get sent to prison no matter how many times they get sent to court as their crimes, burglary, shoplifting, driving without insurance etc are seen as minor crimes by the court. They are given fines that they will never pay or community service that they won't attend. That is if they bother to turn up at court at all.
The police are not perfect but the real problem is our court system.
Your right. My sister and her Husband are both coppers in the Met. They told me that they arrest the same people for the same crimes week in, week out. But there is no deterent and no punishment.
They never get sent to prison no matter how many times they get sent to court as their crimes, burglary, shoplifting, driving without insurance etc are seen as minor crimes by the court. They are given fines that they will never pay or community service that they won't attend. That is if they bother to turn up at court at all.
The police are not perfect but the real problem is our court system.
I am sorry that the original poster had to a) witness this and b) no doubt help in sorting it out...:(
I think it is endemic of modern life in a country where politicians care more for votes and issues 'right now' (i.e. staring them in the face - or on a Question Time programme) than they do for decent, hardwroking, law abiding people . Human Rights, politicians of all flavours, from, seemingly all countries, just see it as a career to power and money - sod doing any good.
rcgbob44
29-Nov-2006, 11:03
The first thing that need to be banned is the human rights act, its used by every low life to get something for nothing and scam the system.............................IT`s GOT TO BLOODYWELL STOP!
Blood is now starting to simmer!
The first thing that need to be banned is the human rights act, its used by every low life to get something for nothing and scam the system.............................IT`s GOT TO BLOODYWELL STOP!
Blood is now starting to simmer!
Will it simmer all the way to the poles???:devil: Don't have a hernia in the meantime!:lol: If enough of us vote for something better, we might just get it. Trouble is, nothing better seems to be out there...:o
doogalman
29-Nov-2006, 11:56
If enough of us vote for something better, we might just get it. Trouble is, nothing better seems to be out there...:o
There is nothing better , thats why so many people want to flee these shores for a safer life else-where.
rcgbob44
29-Nov-2006, 13:03
How very true Doogle.
ps Thanks for the ProTwin decal.
doogalman
29-Nov-2006, 13:07
How very true Doogle.
ps Thanks for the ProTwin decal.
No worries mate.
You up for the;
http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/showthread.php?t=39212
When will all the do gooders realise that there has to be a viable deterent to stop this scum from commiting crimes.
Bring back hanging, The birch, etc and make this filth think twice about commiting crime.
Hear hear - couldn't agree more.
- bambam
Scooter916
29-Nov-2006, 13:13
Well we are voting with our feet, As soon as we get a buyer for our scooter shop we are Outa this **** hole..... I would rather be an ethnic minority in someone elses country than my own.
Namby pandy state.
National service is the way forward.
doogalman
29-Nov-2006, 13:18
Well we are voting with our feet, As soon as we get a buyer for our scooter shop we are Outa this **** hole..... I would rather be an ethnic minority in someone elses country than my own.
Namby pandy state.
National service is the way forward.
We are off to our house in the eifel moutains this weekend. We have allmost escaped.:D
National service is the way forward.
Couldn't agree more. That or make prisoners come out on day work gangs, cleaning graffiti, litter, community work - or just hard labour...who is that Amercian prison govenor who makes the inmates wear pink underwear ( I kid you not) and sleep in tents in the hot summer months? I like him...:lol:
rcgbob44
29-Nov-2006, 15:03
Dooglemen
I speak to the C in C when I get in & see wot she want`s to do.
I envy you and your house in the Eifel region, I know it well.
doogalman
29-Nov-2006, 15:14
Dooglemen
I speak to the C in C when I get in & see wot she want`s to do.
I envy you and your house in the Eifel region, I know it well.
Great , good curry is a must.
We love it, despite having plenty of work to do. We are there this weekend.
Well we are voting with our feet, As soon as we get a buyer for our scooter shop we are Outa this **** hole..... I would rather be an ethnic minority in someone elses country than my own.
Namby pandy state.
National service is the way forward.
My mum and dad have emigrated and never want to come back. I think I would have also if it wasn't for the kids.
Thank God some justice was dished out yesterday. I somehow doubt it was enough but what that lady said really tugged on the heart strings.
Bionicle
29-Nov-2006, 17:23
I left the Uk 16 years ago, did i look back, Now the goverment now says the imigration is balanced by Brits emigrating, do they not ask them selfs why ??
Florence
29-Nov-2006, 17:45
I left the Uk 16 years ago, did i look back, Now the goverment now says the imigration is balanced by Brits emigrating, do they not ask them selfs why ??
Dooglaman, It's time to sell up completely and just sod off. Reading all these posts has made me think. Where once we were a proud nation, now we all just plod along just like the film 1980!! We also have friends who have bought a place in France. They do not want to come back. All this saddens me too and that poor lady's family approaching Christmas. It's bad enough when you lose someone close naturally let alone a life taken without reason!! This is all a sobering thought. I hate this society.
Sad news, this is local to me. :( RIP
Unfortunately illegal immigrants (usually Eastern Europeans) are quite common around here.
No names, but a large local and very wealthy company has been prosecuted on a few occasions for exploiting or employing these people probably on the minimum wage or very likely below the minimum wage. Ironically, I am informed that this company supply Tesco with their 'Local Produce'. :flame:
rcgbob44
30-Nov-2006, 08:10
I have a solution to the imigrant problem: SOILANT GREEN!
forgive the ignorance, but what is Soilant Green?
forgive the ignorance, but what is Soilant Green?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
Unfortunately illegal immigrants (usually Eastern Europeans) are quite common around here.
From which Eastern European countries are these illegal immigrants from?
If you're referring to immigrants from the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia or Slovenia, then as citizens of EU member states they have every right to live in the UK and are not illegal.
I left the Uk 16 years ago, did i look back, Now the goverment now says the imigration is balanced by Brits emigrating, do they not ask them selfs why ??
I saw some figures recently that showed around 400,000 people emigrating from the UK last year. Many are retirees going to the sun but around 200,000 are educated at least to degree level, and experienced. Most are from science and engineering disciplines. So the numbers may be in balance but I bet its not when you consider education and experience.
Almost all of the people I went to university with now work abroad. Despite offers of work in Canada and Australia I am still here, mostly because of my wifes elderly mother. When she goes, so do we.
rcgbob44
30-Nov-2006, 09:53
Ratboy
Soilant Green was a film with Edward G Robinson and Charlton Heston where humans were reprocessed for food! It took place in the future and it seemed a good solution to several problems at the present!
rcgbob44
30-Nov-2006, 09:57
I`m with you there Herb, once my inlaws have shuffled of this mortal coil were off to abetter life.
I fancy france, Italy or Germany but I think the misses has leaning towards NZ.
I quite fancy a nice house, with a bit of land, and some outbuildings that can be converted to geats (not sure if thats spolt corictly) plus the potential to build a decent garage/workshop area as well.
I just want to leave these shores as the scum bags infiltrate even further. but for now I`ll continue to work 6 or 7 days a week to support the scroungers imigrants and hangers on to the system!
Damn bloods turning to steam now!!!
gordonparker
30-Nov-2006, 10:01
Not wanting to sound like a "Grumpy Old Man" but this seems to be typical of the way society unfortunatley seems to be going, it's awful that this happend to this lady or anyone, but this attitude seems prevelent these days.
The litter thrown down, the sods who damage your car in the supermarket car park and drive away !!! just typical of todays attitude.
I was glad to see that the drunk driver on last night's Police camera action got 4 years in jail,he showed no remorse for his victim and I was glad the Police got him on this second occasion. We should have more of this but just think of the cost saving in our time, tax etc if all people behaved a little more responsably and thought of others and just think the world could be a better place !!!
However stop dreaming, this is Blairs nanny state and I am sure that before long motorbikes will be banned as being anti social and we will have to use electric scooters !! rant over, have a good day,
But 4 years is not 4 years, its probably 2 if that and I would bet my last pound that with a week of getting out he will be behind the wheel, pi55ed and without insurance etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
Ahh, thanks!:)
Paul James
30-Nov-2006, 10:34
Did anyone else read the interesting series by ex MP George Walden in the Daily Mail recently ? Written in the form of letters to his Son who had informed him that he was seriously considering emigration.
Considered as fairly outspoken by some but a thought provoking read !
beancounter
30-Nov-2006, 10:35
Did anyone else read the interesting series by ex MP George Walden in the Daily Mail recently ? Written in the form of letters to his Son who had informed him that he was seriously considering emigration.
Considered as fairly outspoken by some but a thought provoking read !
Do you really read the Daily Mail Paul?
Not wanting to sound like a "Grumpy Old Man" but this seems to be typical of the way society unfortunatley seems to be going, it's awful that this happend to this lady or anyone, but this attitude seems prevelent these days.
The litter thrown down, the sods who damage your car in the supermarket car park and drive away !!! just typical of todays attitude.
I was glad to see that the drunk driver on last night's Police camera action got 4 years in jail,he showed no remorse for his victim and I was glad the Police got him on this second occasion. We should have more of this but just think of the cost saving in our time, tax etc if all people behaved a little more responsably and thought of others and just think the world could be a better place !!!
However stop dreaming, this is Blairs nanny state and I am sure that before long motorbikes will be banned as being anti social and we will have to use electric scooters !! rant over, have a good day,
But this is a symptom of society as a whole. We glorify the things which are wrong and we put people down for doing or saying the right thing. Just look at how the gangster lifestyle is glorified in music and games. Your kids and mine are growing up thinking these things are acceptable and part of life today. No one is saying these things are wrong. Same with immigration. Everyone knows UK is a soft touch and a place to make money. I would welcome the same level of immigration as Australia in this country. We do live in a very privileged place in this country and if you have been to a 3rd world country you'll realise just how fortunate we are in UK.
We will reap what we sow !!
rcgbob44
30-Nov-2006, 11:39
And the gits are going to make you pay for parking your bike in London soon!
That means that there`l be reduced parking coz they won`t be able to put enough parking meters on existing bays.
Paul James
30-Nov-2006, 11:43
Do you really read the Daily Mail Paul?
I don't take a daily paper but my dear old Mum cut out the articles and sent them to me Mark. It was an interesting read and he has a book out now regarding the parlous state of the country and our general acceptance of it.
beancounter
30-Nov-2006, 11:50
I don't take a daily paper but my dear old Mum cut out the articles and sent them to me Mark. It was an interesting read and he has a book out now regarding the parlous state of the country and our general acceptance of it.
Ha ha the only time I see the Daily Mail is when I'm at my mum's!
It's appalling and frightening all at the same time. Perhaps I'll appreciate it more when I'm over 80 too...
BC
I would welcome the same level of immigration as Australia in this country.
There's already plenty of Australians in this country.....
mazpillion
30-Nov-2006, 12:55
As I sit here, reading this thread in my(permanent) home in France, it re-inforces my feeling that apart from the occasional visit to family, I never want to be in the UK again.....
Scooter916
30-Nov-2006, 13:03
Anyone want to Join us in the DSC Thailand Branch...........
Florence
30-Nov-2006, 16:17
As I sit here, reading this thread in my(permanent) home in France, it re-inforces my feeling that apart from the occasional visit to family, I never want to be in the UK again.....
That's exactly how me and Doogalman feel. It really will be for the family that we would come back for visits. And the odd bit of Dead fish and root vegetable (fish and chips) LOL :frog:
doogalman
30-Nov-2006, 18:15
Dead fish and root vegetable (fish and chips) LOL :frog:
Don't even need to do that. Just knock up some batter.:eek:
Tonio600
30-Nov-2006, 18:19
grass... greener... etc...
People are people. Scumbags are the same everywhere as the world is becoming a global place.
Some people hate that society we live in. And for me, feelings are the same on both sides of the Channel.
I disagree with those people: I've never known a war, neither have my brothers and my parents. People I love lead a safe life, and so do I. The most dangerous thing I do in my life is riding a bloody bike, and that's because I want it.
So yes, a lot of things are wrong in our society, but to me the only fact that this thread exists shows that more things are right.
Scooter916
30-Nov-2006, 19:10
Tonio, you dont lead a safe life, you cross the road much like the old lady did, You catch a tube home and risk getting stabbed for your wallet, You are far from safe on the streets of this country. Like a few on here I have seen war and been part of a war, Wars are safer than the streets of the uk at present I belive, Wars have rules and a clearly defined enemy. You can hug trees as much as you like or burry your head in the sand, I have been to places where society colapses (Bosnia) and it aint pretty.
Hopefully we will be out of this country before We get into a bosnia situation here, Belive it or not we are not too far away from what caused the problems out there....
Too Deep im off for a snooze......
Tonio600
30-Nov-2006, 19:34
Now I don't know what to reply... Well done Glyn :D
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I AGREE :lol: Actually I don't, but I don't know what to say :lol:
Scooter916
30-Nov-2006, 19:35
LOL a confused french man....Never :-)
Tonio600
30-Nov-2006, 19:35
Yeah I know.
Anyone want to Join us in the DSC Thailand Branch...........
And do you really think the life out there is safer than here? :lol:
Now what you say??? :D
;)
Scooter916
30-Nov-2006, 19:46
Yup it sure is if you get run over in tahiland it will be by a tuk tuk.
Seriously though if People break the law in thailand they pay for it big time, Ok there is a maffia issue but then again that sorts a lot of crime too.
I firmly belive that the uk is going to the dogs, I for one am sick of paying through the teeth to Keep scumbags in our country, TAX on tax. And now Mr Browns Son has an ailment we will be taxed some more.
Whilst I belive the BNP are a little too radical they do have some very good points.
The only thing that is left Great about Britain now is our armed forces, and they too are being treated like second rate citizens.
Rant over LOL
philthy
30-Nov-2006, 21:48
I have read and agree with most of the points put before us.
How incredible it is that in one of the most powerful countries on this planet with a population of over 60 million, there is not one person with the drive and influence to reverse the slide back into anarchy.
Our police force has literally lost the fight against crime. Things are now tolerated which would have utterly horrified this nation thirty or forty years ago. People are being killed for kicks on our streets by children. Apparently, soon shoplifters and muggers will not even get a criminal record!
A while ago after dark I saw three men commiting theft. I know for a fact that I could have taken down one or possibly two of them with the iron bar I keep in my van. But I did not get out of my van and sort them because if I had done so I would definitely gone to prison,lost my job etc. for using unreasonable force. They ran off before the police got there.
Yes many of the immigrants coming here are from the EU and many will integrate and contribute to our country but many are like the two in the original post. They will never ever think, act or behave like the majority of us but will join the ranks of our home grown scum whose only 'contribution ' to our society will be to abuse, thieve, kill and terrify normal decent people.
The current guardians of our once proud society tell us that they have the answer to 'overcrowding' in our prisons. Not by building more prisons of course, their clever idea is to let the few who have actually been caught out again to carry on as before! Meanwhile they are sending some of the bravest people from this country to fight against the people of Afghanistan. A 'backward' nation which several generations ago we failed to militarily subjugate and which we trained quite recently to fight against the Russian Army, who after several years and countless deaths of its' soldiers had to admit defeat and withdraw.
The vast majority of the inhabitants of this country, be they white black, yellow, immigrants or whatever are decent law abiding tax payers who make this country potentially the best in the world, but who are being very badly let down by spineless leaders, bureaucrats and an apology for a legal system which only seems interested in the 'rights' of the evil and destructive parasites which keep them in a job.
Sometimes I could weep.
.
Scooter916
30-Nov-2006, 22:23
Pilthy, Awsum post . Nail and head me thinks.
kwikbitch
30-Nov-2006, 22:51
I dont want to add any thing to this post other than I'm thinking of the lady and her family and wish them my deepest sympathy.
L x
rcgbob44
01-Dec-2006, 08:12
Ditto to all of the above
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 08:51
Had a similar incident on the way back from Cadwell in October, going through a village in a short line of cars all doing around 30 when a van came belting past at what must have been 70. Nearly wiped out an oncoming car which had to take serious avoiding action. Must have stopped off for fuel as we caught up with them at Northampton, silver van, Lithuanian plate, couple of lads in it looked off their faces. Not a matter of whether they will kill someone, more a matter of when !!!.
On the emigration front what the government seem to have missed is that it is the very people we need to keep who are emigrating, if you want to emigrate outside the EU you have to be able to offer something to the country you intend settling in. Basically the people who can afford to move out of the country are the ones who've worked to be able to afford it so the good/bad ratio of those left behind deteriorates even more.
It isn't right to label all from a ceretain ethnic group as bad but the reality is that the country has been infiltrated by criminal gangs from across Europe, particularly in people traficking, prostitution and drug dealing and we do precious little about it. Glyn's comments about Bosnia are very telling !!!!! Ignore them at your peril. This was no "third world" country and the attrocities that went on there were horrific.
I guess its us slightly older people who can reflect back on how far things have changed, (with all due respect to the younger people voicing their opinions) my very real concern is how fast they have changed and that there seems no real attempt to stop the downward spiral.
rcgbob44
01-Dec-2006, 09:11
Question!
If we, yes thats you and me "the people" of this democracy, don`t like the way things are going in this country, then why don`t the elected representatives of the people (The Government) do want the people want.
Perhaps there are to many corrupt people getting back handers in government!
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 11:19
Question!
If we, yes thats you and me "the people" of this democracy, don`t like the way things are going in this country, then why don`t the elected representatives of the people (The Government) do want the people want.
Perhaps there are to many corrupt people getting back handers in government!
Answer....
It's because the vast majority who agree largely with the views expressed here don't kick up a big enough stink. They just sit quietly by and observe hoping that things will get better given time, given time, given time.........
Vociferous minority groups make it their lifes work to force ridiculous change; hunting ban, handgun ban, all manner of other bans and restrictions that have no real effect. Its "knee jerk" policy making to appease the vociferous voters, a massive proportion of the electorate feel so diesnfranchised by it all that they no longer even bother to vote..
Too many "do gooders" who are constantly concerned more about the rights of the wrongdoers than those of the wronged, while that situation prevails we don't have a snowball in hells chance of improving life in this country.
FWIW I'd like to see a party come forward with a manifesto based primarily on basic achievable commitments to sort out the things that the majority of us are concerned about, crime and punishment, education, NHS, utilities, the rights of the decent citizens etc. No more pedantic legislation (this government has introduced legislation at a rate hitherto unheard of, most of it too complex to comprehend and unenforceable due to the parlous state of the police and judicial systems)
I'm not interested in them knocking on about how bad the others are, if you've ever watched prime ministers question time the petty points scoring that goes on is worse even than this forum gets at times and these are the people who govern us !.
Vociferous minority groups make it their lifes [sic] work to force ridiculous change; hunting ban....
Without debating the rights or wrongs of the hunting ban, I think you'll find that it is supported by more than a "vociferous minority group." The latest ORB poll, asking the question "To what extent do you personally support or oppose the recent Government ban on hunting with dogs", shows that support for the ban is still around 45%, with 30% opposing and 23% undecided.
The 45% support hardly makes for a "vociferous minority group." In fact, I'd almost go as far as to argue that the introduction of the hunting ban was the government's response to the will of the majority of UK citizens. Support for the ban was as high as 63% in 1999 and 2000.
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 12:11
Without debating the rights or wrongs of the hunting ban, I think you'll find that it is supported by more than a "vociferous minority group." The latest ORB poll, asking the question "To what extent do you personally support or oppose the recent Government ban on hunting with dogs", shows that support for the ban is still around 45%, with 30% opposing and 23% undecided.
The 45% support hardly makes for a "vociferous minority group." In fact, I'd almost go as far as to argue that the introduction of the hunting ban was the government's response to the will of the majority of UK citizens. Support for the ban was as high as 63% in 1999 and 2000.
Like anything though it depends who you ask, agreed it probably wasn't the best example to quote but you got the gist of the remainder of the post.
How many people have been killed in handgun crime since the ban, more or less ? Answer: considerably more as it did nothing to address the root cause of the problem which still hasn't and never will be addressed.
rcgbob44
01-Dec-2006, 12:14
Paul
I agree 101% with your point of view but what`s the answer to getting common sense to prevail!......................a revolution? or we vote in a radical party such as the BNP. Trouble is look what happened 60 odd years ago when a certail european party went along similar lines.
Like anything though it depends who you ask, agreed it probably wasn't the best example to quote but you got the gist of the remainder of the post.
How many people have been killed in handgun crime since the ban, more or less ? Answer: considerably more as it did nothing to address the root cause of the problem which still hasn't and never will be addressed.
As you so rightly pointed out, it depends on who you ask.
Whether or not the hand gun ban has addressed the root cause of the problem, latest Home Office figures show that for the year ending March, 31 2005, hand gun crime was down by 16% - http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/
Other sources site a small overall increase (6%) in gun crime since 1997, but levels remain low and much of the increase can be accounted for by use of imitation weapons. http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=102&category=factsheets
I don't think your presumption that there is now "considerably more" handgun crime than prior to the ban holds true.
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 12:31
Paul
I agree 101% with your point of view but what`s the answer to getting common sense to prevail!......................a revolution? or we vote in a radical party such as the BNP. Trouble is look what happened 60 odd years ago when a certail european party went along similar lines.
I think the conservatives need to stop snuggling up to Mr.B.Liars policies and offer some basic achievables. I don't think we are looking for an instant cure just a stop to the decline and a gradual, sustainable reversal. Less knee jerking, more thought into what is done. Do you for instance recall the number of about faces the government made on immigration policy within a couple of weeks around a year ago ? It just isn't workable, it didn't sort the problem then and they have no solution to it now.
If in your job you'd made such a monumental foul up of predicting the amount of EU immigration into this country would you expect a golden handshake and a fat pension or to be escorted off the premises complete with P45 ?
That lot 60 years ago made the fatal mistake of taking on Russia, thank goodness !! Had they not done so none of us would be writing openly on a forum such as this now. I very much doubt that had we been vanquished the Germans would have handed control of our country back to us and helped to rebuild it at a cost to their people. Surely all we need to do is introduce some fundamental basic common sense policies in our own country not take on the rest of the world ?
Going back to my earlier comments on the Walden articles, they do bear reading as I would imagine does his book (hint hint, Chrimbo on the horizon :-)
Must go and earn a crust, tax to pay and all that good wholesome British stuff that we love so much.
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 12:51
As you so rightly pointed out, it depends on who you ask.
Whether or not the hand gun ban has addressed the root cause of the problem, latest Home Office figures show that for the year ending March, 31 2005, hand gun crime was down by 16% - http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/
Other sources site a small overall increase (6%) in gun crime since 1997, but levels remain low and much of the increase can be accounted for by use of imitation weapons. http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=102&category=factsheets
I don't think your presumption that there is now "considerably more" handgun crime than prior to the ban holds true.
Ask the coppers.
Statistics are great.
So banning all legal ownership didn't see the drastic decline that you'd hope for given that a large number of law abiding people were deprived of a perfectly legitimate pastime when the ban came about? A massive cost in compensating them for the guns that were destroyed was loaded onto the general public.
If legal ownership had been the root cause wouldn't the ban have reduced the figures to a very low number ?
Ironically the government is now chasing its tail trying to work out how we can legally run the pistol shooting events at the Olympics when they come here.
Funny old world innit.
Ask the coppers.
Statistics are great.
So banning all legal ownership didn't see the drastic decline that you'd hope for given that a large number of law abiding people were deprived of a perfectly legitimate pastime when the ban came about? A massive cost in compensating them for the guns that were destroyed was loaded onto the general public.
If legal ownership had been the root cause wouldn't the ban have reduced the figures to a very low number ?
Ironically the government is now chasing its tail trying to work out how we can legally run the pistol shooting events at the Olympics when they come here.
Funny old world innit.
I'm not trying to debate whether your point of view is wrong or right, just trying to help you formulate a coherent argument without resorting to sweeping statements such as "vociferous minority groups" and "considerably more" without substantiating them.
Paul James
01-Dec-2006, 13:36
I'm not trying to debate whether your point of view is wrong or right, just trying to help you formulate a coherent argument without resorting to sweeping statements such as "vociferous minority groups" and "considerably more" without substantiating them.
Thats jolly decent of you old chap, good ere innit :lol:
I'd have to say that "considerably more" in the context used when considering that the handgun ban was going to be the universal panacea for the problem does have a smidgeon of relevance.........??
dukess1999
01-Dec-2006, 16:28
Anyone on this thread do any voluntary youth work, mentoring, childrens' panels, or are special constables for those of a more authoritarian bent? Anyone a member of a political party so they can at least have a small say in what policies are propounded, or a local councillor? There are ways to make a difference in this country if you can be arsed.
Scooter916
01-Dec-2006, 16:37
Anyone on this thread do any voluntary youth work, mentoring, childrens' panels, or are special constables for those of a more authoritarian bent? Anyone a member of a political party so they can at least have a small say in what policies are propounded, or a local councillor? There are ways to make a difference in this country if you can be arsed.
I have seriously thought about a couple of the above, But and its a big BUT I spend most of my time working to pay my excessive tax bill and Provide for MY family as well as the scroungers we breed. The time i do get off I either spend with my children Or Race........ What A life i lead ehhhhhh.
So on my one day off a week I rest, Was good enough for the maker so its good enough for me.
rcgbob44
02-Dec-2006, 10:55
On my occasional day off I tinker with the bikes, or weather permitting ride them, or make ammunition for other interests!
I`m not really crazy officer!
haga41cat
03-Dec-2006, 21:46
Blimey!!!!
Just been sitting here reading all the posts that have been but up and can't quite belive what i've started! I just wanted to say thanks for all everyone thought for this poor woman and leaving some sort of respect for her even though non of us knew her! Flowers have been laid now!
rcgbob44
04-Dec-2006, 08:11
I just have to know: Did you blow the kitty`s brains out or give him a saucer of milk!
Paul James
04-Dec-2006, 09:12
On my occasional day off I tinker with the bikes, or weather permitting ride them, or make ammunition for other interests!
Aha a home loader eh ;)
rcgbob44
04-Dec-2006, 10:15
Yup.
Paul James
04-Dec-2006, 10:17
Yup.
Sorry going off topic ;-))
We'll end up getting shot
From which Eastern European countries are these illegal immigrants from?
If you're referring to immigrants from the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia or Slovenia, then as citizens of EU member states they have every right to live in the UK and are not illegal.
Hi Phillc,
Apologies for my delay in responding.
A neighbour / friend said he had a brief encounter with the foreign workers and although they spoke very little English he managed to ascertain their country of origin. He said the foreign workers he met were Polish and Bosnians but he doesn’t know where the rest of the workers originated from.
This company is not fussy from which countries they get their cheap labour, they have used people from a wide range of countries including some of the countries you mention. Everyday they use several minibus vans to ferry foreign workers, whether all or some of the workers are legal and or illegal I don’t know.
This is what I witnessed while driving home one day. I looked across a field and saw Police and what appeared to be Immigration and Social Security officials wearing fluorescent yellow jackets en masse questioning workers, some of whom were being put into vans.
Evidently, the Police and other officials had reason to believe that something was amiss with some of the workers otherwise they wouldn’t have been loading some of them into police vans.
Your statement is correct and I agree, however it is not that simple and not every case is the same.
All citizens of European Union Member Countries are able to travel, reside and work in other EU member countries providing the individual meets certain requirements.
I’m sure and I also hope especially given the current political and religious climate that if any immigrant or immigrants are suspected of wrongdoing and thought to pose a serious threat then the authorities would take immediate and appropriate action.
Ask yourself this; Without physically or verbally asking an Estonian, Latvian or Lithuanian could you tell on hearing their accent/s from which country they originate, if you can then you’re a better man than me because I could not.
Same goes for people from Slovakia, Slovenia or Bosnia or any people from the former Yugoslavia, they sound alike and have very similar dialects.
You have your opinion which you are entitled and I have mine. I personally feel most of the immigrants whether legal or illegal are economic migrants and I am not alone with my line of thought.
If an asylum seeker is of the opinion that his or her life and the lives of their families are at serious risk within their own country then they should seek refuge in a neighbouring country not travel across several European countries to reach the country of their choice.
I feel that this thread has somewhat detracted from the death of an innocent woman who has had her life cruelly ended by a drunk driver. Whether the driver is a legal or illegal immigrant is irrelevant, this could have been committed by a drunk driving UK citizen, however it does leave an extremely bitter taste in ones mouth.
RD
Got to agree.
But the powers that be seem to reluctant to enforce any real law, regardless of who commits it. It is verbal warning, slap on wrist, minimum sentence - its pathetic. all this from a country who are ready enough to send our troops abroad to dish out justice... send MPs instead. Feckers, all of them...
Paul James
04-Dec-2006, 14:29
Interesting to note amongst all this ethnic discord the number of muslims supposedly in favour of what the muslim bombers did in London recently. We can't or shouldn't decry all muslims for the bombings but I'm not sure that the level of support suggests real harmony with our established society ?
I've read this before posting so no need for anyone to come along and help me to articulate on what I've written.
loony888
06-Dec-2006, 09:53
whilst i was born in the U.K, i have lived most of my life in australia, my parents dreamt of a better life, though i'm not sure that they got it. making the most of wherever you are is obviously the best way to be happy, though that's easy to say here, put bluntly, after a long overseas vacation earlier this year, including england and italy i can say from what i have experienced that australia truly is the best country on earth. there are prettier places, there are more historical places, and there are certainly more exciting places, but for weather, lifestyle, quality of life and friendly faces, oz can't be beat. i don't want to rubbish england but aside from visiting family i have no desire to return, i have never come across as many agro, rude, and wannabe tough guys in my life as i did in my month in the u.k (isle of man excluded!!!) it is worth noting too, that most of us belong to the "silent majority" and apathy fuels inaction and silence so we only have ourselves to blame. we too are in the grip of conservative governmentitis so purile, stupid decisions have to be tolerated here too, it's just that with a population not much more than 20 mill. the saturation of scumbags and negative news stories isn't as large. oh, and there's plenty of room for those who want to move to NZ, most kiwis are moving here......
There's some pretty weird responses in here.
My view is that if you're legally allowed to live and work somewhere then there's no reason why you can't. If you don't like it, lobby your MP to have the law's changed. Most people take advantage of laws that suit them and to then sit back and complain that others do (notwithstanding illegals) smacks of hypocrisy.
Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.
I'll offer one final thing that I hope you all consider. There are people on this board who have partners/loved ones who originate from the countries being stereotyped/denigrated on here. It might pay to show a bit of tact and thoughtfulness.
TP - proud to be Australian.
Thanks for your comments on Aus Loony :)
psychlist
06-Dec-2006, 10:53
Of course when you come from "down under" (now there's another term ripe for innuendo) us Brits are the Antipodeans :eek:
Bloody Australians get everywhere, taking our jobs.... ;)
Scooter916
06-Dec-2006, 11:17
[QUOTE=TP]
Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.QUOTE]
Thats Cos there arent many English left living in london Tony.
Ask for directions in london and see how many people reply in english....
Scooter916
06-Dec-2006, 11:19
Of course when you come from "down under" (now there's another term ripe for innuendo) us Brits are the Antipodeans :eek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodeans
Learn somthing new every day. thanks Paul
There's some pretty weird responses in here.
My view is that if you're legally allowed to live and work somewhere then there's no reason why you can't. If you don't like it, lobby your MP to have the law's changed. Most people take advantage of laws that suit them and to then sit back and complain that others do (notwithstanding illegals) smacks of hypocrisy.
I would agree with that 100%. There are people who have made comments on here indicating that they're so sick of this country that they're leaving it to find greener pastures elsewhere. Fine. So...let me get this straight, you consider that you have the absolute right to go and live and work anywhere you please in the world (as long as yo have the legal right to do so), but people who feel exactly the same way about their country and are looking to come into the UK are somehow in the wrong?
These people also seem to be getting stick for the breakdown of law and order in this country. That's tosh. There is no wholesale breakdown of law and order in this country except in the fevered minds of tabloid editors looking to whip up ill-researched stories to suit their own agenda and sensationalise stuff that will appeal to the moral outrage of their readers. Anyone who doubts this might like to go back to the golden age when crime didn't exist in this country - Perhaps they might have felt safer a decade ago, there was no violent crime then was there? Maybe they would've felt safer in Victorian London (probably one of the most violent cities on earth at that time). Truth is, there was no 'Golden Age'. There have always been scumbags in society, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status.
Of course what we need is no more immigration and Draconian laws to punish all scumbags. That should do it. Doesn't really work though does it. The lower you set the criminalisation bar the more criminals you have - until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.
Scooter916
06-Dec-2006, 11:38
I would agree with that 100%. There are people who have made comments on here indicating that they're so sick of this country that they're leaving it to find greener pastures elsewhere. Fine. So...let me get this straight, you consider that you have the absolute right to go and live and work anywhere you please in the world (as long as yo have the legal right to do so), but people who feel exactly the same way about their country and are looking to come into the UK are somehow in the wrong?
These people also seem to be getting stick for the breakdown of law and order in this country. That's tosh. There is no wholesale breakdown of law and order in this country except in the fevered minds of tabloid editors looking to whip up ill-researched stories to suit their own agenda and sensationalise stuff that will appeal to the moral outrage of their readers. Anyone who doubts this might like to go back to the golden age when crime didn't exist in this country - Perhaps they might have felt safer a decade ago, there was no violent crime then was there? Maybe they would've felt safer in Victorian London (probably one of the most violent cities on earth at that time). Truth is, there was no 'Golden Age'. There have always been scumbags in society, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status.
Of course what we need is no more immigration and Draconian laws to punish all scumbags. That should do it. Doesn't really work though does it. The lower you set the criminalisation bar the more criminals you have - until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.
Jools I have stated that I am leaving this country for pastures greener, But,I am doing so not to find work, Done that for the past 20 years to get me where I am now. I am being welcomed to my choice destination because I am taking somthing there, My Hard earned, cash that will in turn improve their economy, How many illigal imigrants into our shores even pay tax let alone aid our economy, the opposite they drain our resources to the point that people like me who pay a lot of tax are sick to the back teeth of supporting scum and voting with their feet.
Glyn
Jools,
With all due respect, I believe you are burying your head in the sand. The present levels of vicious crime are unacceptable.
Take it from me (a really old git) there was a time when England was much better and more crime free than it is now.
But there's one thing for sure there's NO hope of an improvement in the future if the views expressed on this board are anything to go by.
chicken
06-Dec-2006, 12:22
I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.
Big demand for Koala hunters round your way TP? :lol:
...until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.
I thought you were just shipped in chains to Australia for stealing a loaf?
I thought you were just shipped in chains to Australia for stealing a loaf?
Yeah, you're probably right...bloody soft liberals to blame I reckon :lol:
Who is that woman who is famous for establishing a dynasty in Ozz? Forget her name now, but she was originally sentenced to death for allegedly stealing a petticoat. Somehow, she got shipped to Australia instead. Let's not forget that being shipped to Australia was also a death sentence for many. Hundreds of people died on the ships and in the early settlers camps.
Big demand for Koala hunters round your way TP? :lol:
Errr ... that's my third job ;)
Nasty little buggers, don't try this at home ...
Who is that woman who is famous for establishing a dynasty in Ozz? Forget her name now, but she was originally sentenced to death for allegedly stealing a petticoat. Somehow, she got shipped to Australia instead. Let's not forget that being shipped to Australia was also a death sentence for many. Hundreds of people died on the ships and in the early settlers camps.
So thats why I have been having pains in my back. I have a bloody dynasty.....
Jools,
With all due respect, I believe you are burying your head in the sand. The present levels of vicious crime are unacceptable.
Take it from me (a really old git) there was a time when England was much better and more crime free than it is now.
But there's one thing for sure there's NO hope of an improvement in the future if the views expressed on this board are anything to go by.
I am also an old git (in my 50's) and I can't accept that there was a golden age when everything was better and crime free.
I can remember reading about people being robbed at knifepoint and about gangland razor fights when I was a kid. The likes of the Krays and 'Mad Frankie Frazer' were running around. When I was growing up there were regular fights going on between rival village gangs and these same people would regularly nick cars to travel to and from the latest rumble. Violence on football terraces was rife with people using bottles and coins as missiles and every ground had the end where the hard men went for a fight. In my teenage years two people were fatally stabbed (at seperate times and in seperate incidents) in the little market town where I live - both in fights after chucking out time. Gangs of skinheads made a religion out of using their Doc Martens. My dad also used to tell me stories of the street violence that went on in his day - it has always been the same, because human nature has always been the same.
What has changed is the technology available to the law enforcement agencies and the rigour with which they need to report incidents. I'm sure that rather than there being halcyon days of law and order as depicted in 'Heartbeat', the reality of the times was the local beat Bobby dealing out summary justice on the end of a truncheon with no need for tedious paperwork. Same crimes happened, just didn't get reported.
With the advent of greater levels of reporting (and being held to account for performance through the statistics thus produced) it fuels another phenomenon. There has never been more competition in the media. Hundreds of TV and local radio stations all vying with each other, millions of websites and internet based media plus the traditional newspaper press competing in a state of frenzy for their slice of a finite advertising cake. How do the proprietors and editors of these media outlets raise their profile above the clamour? By the time honoured methods of hype, exageration and downright lies, bending statistics to suit their particular editorial stance - the worst of them playing on the fears, prejudices and ignorance of the man in the street to whip up a frenzy of public opinion to suit their circulation figures or political leanings
Tonio600
06-Dec-2006, 14:44
I am also an old git (in my 50's) and I can't accept that there was a golden age when everything was better and crime free.
I can remember reading about people being robbed at knifepoint and about gangland razor fights when I was a kid. The likes of the Krays and 'Mad Frankie Frazer' were running around. When I was growing up there were regular fights going on between rival village gangs and these same people would regularly nick cars to travel to and from the latest rumble. Violence on football terraces was rife with people using bottles and coins as missiles and every ground had the end where the hard men went for a fight. In my teenage years two people were fatally stabbed (at seperate times and in seperate incidents) in the little market town where I live - both in fights after chucking out time. Gangs of skinheads made a religion out of using their Doc Martens. My dad also used to tell me stories of the street violence that went on in his day - it has always been the same, because human nature has always been the same.
What has changed is the technology available to the law enforcement agencies and the rigour with which they need to report incidents. I'm sure that rather than there being halcyon days of law and order as depicted in 'Heartbeat', the reality of the times was the local beat Bobby dealing out summary justice on the end of a truncheon with no need for tedious paperwork. Same crimes happened, just didn't get reported.
With the advent of greater levels of reporting (and being held to account for performance through the statistics thus produced) it fuels another phenomenon. There has never been more competition in the media. Hundreds of TV and local radio stations all vying with each other, millions of websites and internet based media plus the traditional newspaper press competing in a state of frenzy for their slice of a finite advertising cake. How do the proprietors and editors of these media outlets raise their profile above the clamour? By the time honoured methods of hype, exageration and downright lies, bending statistics to suit their particular editorial stance - the worst of them playing on the fears, prejudices and ignorance of the man in the street to whip up a frenzy of public opinion to suit their circulation figures or political leanings
I agree at 100%.
Jools
So all is well. things have never been better! I feel so much happier now. This is a wonderful bike club now we can all relax. The unprecedented levels of vicious crime is an invention of the journalists who write for the Daily Mail.
Jools
So all is well. things have never been better! I feel so much happier now. This is a wonderful bike club now we can all relax. The unprecedented levels of vicious crime is an invention of the journalists who write for the Daily Mail.
Jesus! Talk about twisting Jools' words!
He was saying things back then were no different, there was still a lot of violence then as there is now. Only now it's more widely reported by more sensationalist media.
If you take it in that vein and read it again it might make more sense? I hope so.
I was referring to the late forties and fifties young man. There was NOT the level of vicious crime that there is now and I don't need your guidance on what constitutes common sense.
I was referring to the late forties and fifties young man. There was NOT the level of vicious crime that there is now and I don't need your guidance on what constitutes common sense.
Well go ahead and be an arrogant bell-end then, see if I care :)
Enjoy!
I'm not saying all is well, the world is never perfect. All I'm saying is that the world never was perfect.
As regulars on here will know, me and my family have suffered from one of the very worst of violent crimes - just over a year ago when my wife was raped. I went public about it on the board at the time since it's a bugger trying to creep around pretending nothing happened but I'm not going to rake over all of that again here. Just to illustrate that I know only too well that real crime happens and don't live in a fools paradise.
What I am saying is that much of the evidence for the 'unprecedented level' of crime is anecdotal, and I have yet to see convincing figures that demonstrate conclusively that crime is becoming more prevalent or more vicious year on year - of course there will be blips caused by changes in criminal activity (identity fraud for instance) or changes in collating the figures - but over the long term I'm convinced that things will be pretty static. When somebody shows me the statistical evidence - adjusted to allow for the greater emphasis on gathering statistics, then I'll believe them. As it is I do believe that the press are using "Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics" to support half-baked and dubious editorial positions.
As for things have never been better? Well, we don't have to put up with the slum clearances of the early 1900's, or the decimation of the First World War that ripped the heart out of the 1910-1920 period. We don't have put up with the huge social divides of the 1920's or the grinding poverty of the 1930's depression days, and we can sleep easy in our beds without the sirens going off like they did in the 1940's. We had to put up with rationing into the 1950's and a very frugal utilitarian lifestyle through to the 1960's. We had to put up with swathes of youth unrest as the baby boomers worked out their teenage angst as Mods and Rockers pitched into battle along every seafront on every bank holiday. We had the three day week and winters of discontent in the 70's, the miners strike and the Falklands in the 80's, Sarajevo, Srebrinica (spelling) and Bosnia in the 90's, Iraq today.
Ahhhh happy days...of course they weren't. Same **** different day
So because you don't agree with me I'm arrogant! TP I respect Jools' view of the world more than anyone else who posts on this board but on this topic I believe he is wrong.
I will not Harp on about it though.
Tonio600
06-Dec-2006, 16:04
I was referring to the late forties and fifties young man. There was NOT the level of vicious crime that there is now and I don't need your guidance on what constitutes common sense.
It would be very interesting to know how the figures for life expectancy are calculated.
Because on one hand there is all of you saying the world has never been so black, and on the other hand there is all of us living longer and longer.
Obviously I do share TP's and Jools' opinions. Human beings are not worse than they've ever been. Each of our generations have seen murdered millions of us, it shows that we have always been that stupid. Sad, but comforting.
So because you don't agree with me I'm arrogant! TP I respect Jools' view of the world more than anyone else who posts on this board but on this topic I believe he is wrong.
I will not Harp on about it though.
No, you're twisting my words just as you did Jools'
You're post was arrogant because of the condescending manner in which you posted.
Ariel. I believe that you are right.
There was not the same level of violent crime in the late 1940's and early 1950's as there is now. Possibly because most violent crime is perpetrated by young men and a huge number of that generation had been killed in the war. Most of those who returned had probably seen enough extreme violence for one lifetime, were still in shock or getting on with the business of rebuilding their lives and the country.
Scooter916
06-Dec-2006, 16:15
Well Enjoy the Uk thats my last word on this subject. I will Watch the uk go to **** on Sky news From my hammock in retirement heaven. The Uk has nothing to offer.. and that is said with a heavy heart from a guy who has fought for his country.
There is a lot more I would like to type but I could be labled "insulting" By the PC nutters that seem to be Living in this once great nation.
Florence
06-Dec-2006, 16:43
Well Enjoy the Uk thats my last word on this subject. I will Watch the uk go to **** on Sky news From my hammock in retirement heaven. The Uk has nothing to offer.. and that is said with a heavy heart from a guy who has fought for his country.
There is a lot more I would like to type but I could be labled "insulting" By the PC nutters that seem to be Living in this once great nation.
That sums it all up really. "from a guy who has fought for his country". That's why me and doogalman want to move into our German house full time ASAP!!! :devil:
It would make sense that the late 40's, 50's and some of the 60's were less crime ridden, not because it was not reported, but because the population had just come out of a war. Community is what helped the UK survive the hardship and austerity. Most of the male population had seen nearly 6 years of bloodshed so violence was not part of the psychy. Yes, there was violent crime but, unlike now there was honour amounst thieves, one cardinal rule was, you don't shoot coppers. The reason cop killers got caught is because the 'firm' tipped off who it was, and if they didn't get caught by the feds, then the 'firm' got shot of them themselves. The Krays were put away for getting rid of one of their own. Those gangs fought each other for turf.
I have always said I would pick up a gun when the enemy were walking up my high street, to be quiet honest I thought it would be something like a jackboot of one kind or another, but the enemy is walking up our high street. Not only are we powerless as a society to prevent it, the powers we vest in those meant to protect us have IMHO formed self protecting groups. The general public are the last thing on their minds. Elfensafety, PC and Human rights prevail but not for the majority.
Voting? That is a laugh, you vote for the same team only the shirt is a different colour. We will not have a real democracy until the party system is busted. The only way that will happen is if we all vote for a non affiliated independent person standing for the community, not some politically spun ar*ehole parachuted in from another part of the country because he/she is the party leaders bright eyed person.
That is one thing I admire of the French, when they disagree with something then they physically do something about it. The Brits, pi55 and moan and do s*d all.
Maybe the time has come to fight fire with fire. The lads in the van, two or three blokes gets out to beat the living **** out of them and then drive off. I bet any witnesses seeing it would find they suddenly could not remember a number plate.
We, that are big enough and fit enough to do something about it maybe should start doing so. Because as I type this, no other b*st**d is going to do it. No doubt I will now get the riot act read to me. To be quiet honest I've given up giving a **** about these low lifes. They get what is coming in any fashion. The main reason? Because that poor woman died in vane if we don't; because the next victim could be my 13 year old daughter walking home from school or could be your partner, spouse or relative.
Ains.
Jools my friend, I must admit that the comparisons I was making related to the differences between today and the forties and fifties which I lived through. Drug addiction too has a big impact on crime now. In those days drug taking was unheard of.
TP, it was not my intention to be condescending towards you and I should not have addressed you as young man. Accept my apologies, I hope there is no bad feeling between us.
Perhaps I feel too strongly about this issue.
philthy
07-Dec-2006, 09:35
Taking all of the above into consideration, I think one difference between now and even ten or fifteen years ago is the length of sentences once a criminal has been caught and found guilty.
I am incredulous at some of the pathetic sentences given for serious offences rapists, paedophiles and murderers commit, including those who cause deaths on the road.
To my mind if you lock someone away for a minimum of 10 years with no parole for the above offences then we know damn well that that particular person can't commit any further offences to our loved ones for at least 10 years.
Re - offend again when you come out? Then next time matey it's 25 years minimum. And if you murder your victim to cover up your crime?
Life, to mean until you die.
I wonder what the re-offending rate would be then?
TP, it was not my intention to be condescending towards you and I should not have addressed you as young man. Accept my apologies, I hope there is no bad feeling between us.
Perhaps I feel too strongly about this issue.
Thanks Ariel, I accept.
No bad feelings :)
Tonio600
07-Dec-2006, 10:10
Glyn, I do respect you and your opinion. That's why I just hope you won't hurt too much when falling off your hammock. The ground is not softer anywhere in the world. :(
I've now lived in France for 24 years and in England for 2 years. Yet I've never been insulted or threatened when walking in the street in the UK. I suppose I must be a lot luckier on this side of the Channel. Come on guys, there is no place better than another in that world. There are some worse places for sure. Irak is now one of them. But none is better.
I'm only 26, so I guess I must be younger than most of the people complaining in that thread. That's why I'm going to shup up now :)
We are too Liberal in our attitudes..not standing up for what we believe in....we allow our heritage and way of life to be eroded with an " oh its ok attitude " soon it wont be.........
And yes it has gotten worse.....we are becoming more de-sensored to the happenings in our society.....
Accepting of main stream movies that glorify torture murder and voilence..each one more shocking than the next..big brother selecting contestants that are prone to strange out landish behavoir.....no holds barred fighting....
the list goes on............
Not PC correct to hang up Christmas decorations in our offices.?...not PC correct to have a cross around your neck..!
Happy slapping.....people getting beaten to death while the teenager film it laughing.?
sure you may not be exposed to it in your comfortable life style " an englishmans home is his castle ".....well look outside the walls.....it IS getting worse and soon will be at your doorstep.!..
Over the top ..maybe....but until we stand up and demand stiffer punishments real detterents...stand up for our way of life...then soon it will be lost.!
Scooter916
11-Dec-2006, 17:37
Tonio
It seems from the below link its one in one out,,, You can have my place.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6210358.stm
Enjoy Frenchie....LOL
Tonio600
11-Dec-2006, 17:44
You can have my place.
Greatly appreciated, but I don't think I can afford it at the moment :D
Who realy give's a fook anymore???????????
my post earlier in the year! "base ball bat"
I grew up in a country where I could leave my keys in my car all night (they were still there next morning)
I grew up in a country where if i found a wallet on the floor (I handed it in)
I grew up In a country where If my mother was ill, (My neighbours collected me from school )
I grew up in a country when if you saw a person being picked on (you went over to sort the problem) and help.
I grew up in a country where what I worked for, belonged to me, ( I never stole it) i worked for it!
and so on!!
My four kids 2 mine 2 step kids, all from broken homes
1 is in computer's
1 is trainee Acoountant
1 is beuty therapist
1 is at uni (teacher special needs)
None have ever kicked cars , robbed people , they HAVE "respect"..
I was chastised by some peeps on here when I took " The bat" out to some badmouth youth's
at the time I was accused by some of beating up poor kids in a park
I was told they would return
They hav'nt because we now have some respect from them!
Biggest problem this country has !
Ethnicks
stick together.
Ethnicks
work together and with each other.
WE
and i'll say born bread in uk
wont work together
wont stick together
WE
are so scared of our friends haveing 1 penny more than me (attitude)
WE
won't go outside and help when there is a problem
WE
will always leave it for someone els to deal with it!
The ethnics have not taken over our country!!
We have Given our country to them!
Dont blame the people before you take a long look at yourself!
Keep it real!
5 more years and i'm outta hear too!
plans are already afoot,
but what I hate, is I'm no better than the rest as i'm not standing up and fighting for MY/OUR country, I'm bailing out like the rest!
mav
Who realy give's a fook anymore???????????
my post earlier in the year! "base ball bat"
I grew up in a country where I could leave my keys in my car all night (they were still there next morning)
I grew up in a country where if i found a wallet on the floor (I handed it in)
I grew up In a country where If my mother was ill, (My neighbours collected me from school )
I grew up in a country when if you saw a person being picked on (you went over to sort the problem) and help.
I grew up in a country where what I worked for, belonged to me, ( I never stole it) i worked for it!
and so on!!
My four kids 2 mine 2 step kids, all from broken homes
1 is in computer's
1 is trainee Acoountant
1 is beuty therapist
1 is at uni (teacher special needs)
None have ever kicked cars , robbed people , they HAVE "respect"..
I was chastised by some peeps on here when I took " The bat" out to some badmouth youth's
at the time I was accused by some of beating up poor kids in a park
I was told they would return
They hav'nt because we now have some respect from them!
Biggest problem this country has !
Ethnicks
stick together.
Ethnicks
work together and with each other.
WE
and i'll say born bread in uk
wont work together
wont stick together
WE
are so scared of our friends haveing 1 penny more than me (attitude)
WE
won't go outside and help when there is a problem
WE
will always leave it for someone els to deal with it!
The ethnics have not taken over our country!!
We have Given our country to them!
Dont blame the people before you take a long look at yourself!
Keep it real!
5 more years and i'm outta hear too!
plans are already afoot,
but what I hate, is I'm no better than the rest as i'm not standing up and fighting for MY/OUR country, I'm bailing out like the rest!
mav
Feckin,spot on Mav...good rant.
ducati dad
18-Dec-2006, 00:08
Who realy give's a fook anymore???????????
my post earlier in the year! "base ball bat"
I grew up in a country where I could leave my keys in my car all night (they were still there next morning)
I grew up in a country where if i found a wallet on the floor (I handed it in)
I grew up In a country where If my mother was ill, (My neighbours collected me from school )
I grew up in a country when if you saw a person being picked on (you went over to sort the problem) and help.
I grew up in a country where what I worked for, belonged to me, ( I never stole it) i worked for it!
and so on!!
My four kids 2 mine 2 step kids, all from broken homes
1 is in computer's
1 is trainee Acoountant
1 is beuty therapist
1 is at uni (teacher special needs)
None have ever kicked cars , robbed people , they HAVE "respect"..
I was chastised by some peeps on here when I took " The bat" out to some badmouth youth's
at the time I was accused by some of beating up poor kids in a park
I was told they would return
They hav'nt because we now have some respect from them!
Biggest problem this country has !
Ethnicks
stick together.
Ethnicks
work together and with each other.
WE
and i'll say born bread in uk
wont work together
wont stick together
WE
are so scared of our friends haveing 1 penny more than me (attitude)
WE
won't go outside and help when there is a problem
WE
will always leave it for someone els to deal with it!
The ethnics have not taken over our country!!
We have Given our country to them!
Dont blame the people before you take a long look at yourself!
Keep it real!
5 more years and i'm outta hear too!
plans are already afoot,
but what I hate, is I'm no better than the rest as i'm not standing up and fighting for MY/OUR country, I'm bailing out like the rest!
mav
Maybe it's time to echo the words of those great Statesmen...Mahatma Ghandi, Arch Bishop Markarios and Nelson Mandela and say " I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK". And to remind this government that this is OUR Country to "KEEP" and not theirs to give away!!!!
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