To all dd riders

[Trudi Riders Rep]

Hi Everyone

Hope you are all getting ready for this season .

Just to say i have been on New Era website and see they have put the forms up for Donnington , Anglesey, Snetterton,

I dont know if people have recieved there New Era packs yet.

BUT THIS IS A REMINDER FOR EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET THERE ENTRY IN FOR DONNINGTON BY MARCH 16TH

You can download the forms of New Era website,

[Scooter916]

Thanks hun, Good job you pointed this out early, We were planning on getting down there on the sat eve, reading into the regs, All competetors will be required to be present on both saturday and sunday of the meeting...8. Provisional programme. Looks like I will be leaving friday now. ( strange rule tho)

[skidlids]

Probably because Donington isn't a normal NE meeting its part of the Moto 6 Championships and they want to look good on Telly

[skidlids]

I can download Mallory (Not DD I know) Donny and Snetterton but not Angelsey (now sorted cheers NickB)

Donny http://www.neweramcc.org/PDF/download%20forms/20090328%20DP.pdf

Angelsey http://www.neweramcc.org/PDF/download%20Forms/20090509%20AN.pdf

Snet http://www.neweramcc.org/PDF/download%20Forms/20090524%20SN.pdf

[Scooter916]

Probably because Donington isn't a normal NE meeting its part of the Moto 6 Championships and they want to look good on Telly

Ahh A full paddock of people swanning around all day saturday with beer in hand.....

[NBs996]

I can download Mallory (Not DD I know) Donny and Snetterton but not Angelsey


Skids, you can download Anglesey from the list on the right of the page.

[skidlids]

Cheers Nick I'll try it tomorrow when I'm back at work

[NBs996]

So who else has noticed the cost of transponder hire on the Donny form - £50 deposit + £20 fee!
Is it the same for every round?

[skidlids]

Maybe its going to be £10 a day this year
If they are hoping it will generate more money for them that way it will probably backfire as seasons hire costs will be more than buying new

[Gbyte666]

Thx Trudy...

Craig

[Gbyte666]

So who else has noticed the cost of transponder hire on the Donny form - £50 deposit + £20 fee!
Is it the same for every round?

Your charging me £25 :o

Craig

[NBs996]

Cheques made payable to "NickB Benevolent Fund" please craig.

[skidlids]

Thx Trudy...

Craig

I think you mean
"Thx Trudi"

Now go back and edit it, before you end up in hot water, then O can delete my post and nobody will be any the wiser

[TP]

I think you mean
"Thx Trudi"

Now go back and edit it, before you end up in hot water, then O can delete my post and nobody will be any the wiser

What's my delete worth to you both? Hmmmm? :frog:

[Gbyte666]

What's my delete worth to you both? Hmmmm? :frog:

Lol, too late Im in too deep doo now. the deed has been done..

There go's my cup of T :)

Point noted... Trudi

Craig

[Trudi Riders Rep]

I will let you off i think you got the message lol

Dont worry still make you a cup of tea :-)



Trudi X

[skidlids]

Looking at the Donington Meeting, it looks like (and I may be wrong here) all bikes and riders will be Scrutineered on Saturday morning and then do 3-laps of free practice to quallify as per ACU rules.
That'll leave us with our timed practice and two races, It would not suprise me if at least the timed practice was on the Saturday if not race 1, a bit like the Castle Combe Grand National meetings we have done in the past.

Looking at the regs there is at least 13 races, but more like 14 or 15 (does race M6 really include Open, 600s 1000s and sidecars and it says 2 races per class, so a bit confusing) and something along the lines of 13 practice sessions (timed and untimed), so how they spread them out will be a mystery until the time table is announced

[Rattler]

Looking at the Donington Meeting, it looks like (and I may be wrong here) all bikes and riders will be Scrutineered on Saturday morning and then do 3-laps of free practice to quallify as per ACU rules.
That'll leave us with our timed practice and two races, It would not suprise me if at least the timed practice was on the Saturday if not race 1, a bit like the Castle Combe Grand National meetings we have done in the past.

Looking at the regs there is at least 13 races, but more like 14 or 15 (does race M6 really include Open, 600s 1000s and sidecars and it says 2 races per class, so a bit confusing) and something along the lines of 13 practice sessions (timed and untimed), so how they spread them out will be a mystery until the time table is announced

The details are not well written and unclear, can we get official qualification of this? Who are the rider's reps?

[Scooter916]

The details are not well written and unclear, can we get official qualification of this? Who are the rider's reps?
Yup agreed I though I was the only one that thought it was a bit twonk.

[injected]

Completely agree. Clear as mud. For an entity supposedly dedicated to bringing novices into the sport, NE certainly does a good job of making it difficult for novices to understand what's going on!

[Jolley]

Ahhh... that makes me feel better. I couldn't work out what was going on either, but put it down to it being the first race I had ever entered!! I just figured I would turn up on Sat and see what happened!

[Rattler]

In fairness, the forms are usually a lot clearer, take a look at the Snett entry form as an example. The Donny round seems a bit "special", and maybe the form was hastily put together, eitherway it would help to know the timings at least and whether we can enter more than one class, as there are no "additional races" costs listed either. Seems Skids has it about right, but confirmation would be good.

Tim

[skidlids]

as the Donington meeting is a European Open Competition organised by New Era to hold the 6 Nations championship, its hardly your normal NE club meeting and as such not really focused on Novice Club racers.

Just look at the team the Irish are putting out
http://www.mcui-uc.org.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=75

As well as the Moto Six Match races there are also two ACU Championship events and then the rest are basically guest classes and as such are there just to make up the numbers.

Still it will hopefully be my first time racing on the full GP circuit and probably the last as its all due to change with F1 going there.

As for additional races, I can't see it happening at this meeting, well not in the normal discounted manner. Dallas is also thinking of entering the Pro-bike as there is no SoT but it will probably cost him a futher £175, my advice to him was save the money and enter other classes at the normal club meets

[Dominic Clegg]

looks like we crashed the new era web site

[Imola Duke]

Am I right in thinking that we have a mixed grid ?
Looking at the entrie for donny :confused:
If so... ? only 40 riders on the grid!!!

Hi Trudi Senna :)

[Trudi Riders Rep]

Hi Steve its does look like mixed grid so you need to get your entry in quick

Trudi (senna)

[Imola Duke]

Hi Steve its does look like mixed grid so you need to get your entry in quick

Trudi (senna)

Thanks Trudi :)

Say hello to Kev :)

[Scooter916]

Hi Steve its does look like mixed grid so you need to get your entry in quick

Trudi (senna)
How can they say its a mixed grid when they dont have the numbers in yet?????
Seems like Ferk all has changed at new era to me The only race is to the postbox......AGAIN
If this is true, I think rather than NE dribbling out incomprehensible Regs, They need to let people who are spending their hard earned wonga know what they are actually getting for their money. As right at this moment I dont know when the races are Sat or Sunday??? Mixed or not ???
Anyone with a clearer Picture........ Race comittee Perhaps ???

[Trudi Riders Rep]

Hi Glyn

I am only going on wont it says on the entry form D1 D2 class A/B

Trudi

[Scooter916]

Hi Glyn

I am only going on wont it says on the entry form D1 D2 class A/B

Trudi
Hi Trudibabes
Yes my point exactly that is all we have to go on.... and its as clear as mud innit :(

[skidlids]

Am I right in thinking that we have a mixed grid ?
Looking at the entrie for donny :confused:
If so... ? only 40 riders on the grid!!!



Steve at this meeting just like Castle Combe in the past I would expect it to be a mixed grid and thats how it reads to me on the entry form, I thought it was 44 allowed on the grid at Donny but I could be mistaken.

So get your entries in early as its first come first served, if your a reserve it doesn't matter how fast you are in quallifying you will still be a reserve

I have just checked and it is 40 starters and 60 allowed in practice so I was mistaken

[nogaromill998]

Why oh why do we have to have mixed grids? Race committee told me earlier this year that we have 42 participating Class B riders this year so whats it all about? Its a DSC race series, do DSC have ANY say in how its run? And if they do, is there a mechanism for informing the money paying participants that they are sharing a grid YET AGAIN?

[Scooter916]

Why oh why do we have to have mixed grids? Race committee told me earlier this year that we have 42 participating Class B riders this year so whats it all about? Its a DSC race series, do DSC have ANY say in how its run? And if they do, is there a mechanism for informing the money paying participants that they are sharing a grid YET AGAIN?
Im with you on this one Nog, Best we not let them forget who there end user is.
Ne would do very well to go back to being a club, Running club rounds, Not trying to do too much, Moto six and the caslte coombe rounds just screw there everyday paying club racer.
At this rate New era will be forgotten era next year.

[nogaromill998]

Its the first round of the year, so most everyone will want to race. So what happens if EVERYONE gets their entries in in time? 42 Class B, how many Class A ?
DSC needs to lay down some ground rules to NE or whoever the club that runs it in future is, about what the participants expect as a standard. We dont pay any less to have mixed grids....this was my gripe last year too, and it was never resolved. And I am sure the Class A participants are just as aggrieved......
And if DSC HAS laid down the ground rules, and therefore by default KNEW we'd be running a mixed grid.....where was the communication yet again?

[skidlids]

Well North Glos mix SoT with MT and don't seem to have a problem and this happens at every round of there club championship.

Maybe if NE didn't host any other series but their own club events they maybe better off, No Moto Six, No Grand National, No Karts, No KTM, No Dutch Ducati Club, No Lansdowne Cup and No Desmo Due

Maybe they should just Stick to GP125, F400, F600, Pro-Bike, Sound of Thunder, CB500, Hornets, and pre inj/Steel frame thats 8 grids so 16 races a day or 24 if they want to go for 3 races per class. I know that worked for them as I found to my cost on several occasions I was a reserve in F600.

[Scooter916]

[QUOTE=skidlids]
Maybe if NE didn't host any other series but their own club events they maybe better off, No Moto Six, No Grand National, No Karts, No KTM, No Dutch Ducati Club, No Lansdowne Cup and No Desmo Due
QUOTE]

I think you have taken that bit out of context Kev, Without the NORMAL lodging series New era would be Broke and gone this year, Thundersport have seen to that, or should I say new Era have seen to that themselves.
I was actually refering to The moto 6 and the Grand national or whatever they call it at Castle Coombe, Yea its great for the Boys and girls at NE to be able to shout from the rooftops, We did this and we ran that, But at who's cost is this being done....... Mine mate thats my problem.
How much Money will NE make from the Irish racers that are coming over to do the 6 nations this season, My guess is a whole lot less than they will make from Desmo due. Surely to be a succesfull Race club they must look after their regular customers....Yup us.
If we had comunication from the race commitee most of these worries could be squashed or at least sorted before march.
Just my thoughts

[Scooter916]

[QUOTE=skidlids]Well North Glos mix SoT with MT and don't seem to have a problem and this happens at every round of there club championship.
QUOTE]
Fair play But do they have enough of each class to fill a grid???? I feel pretty sure Knowing NG that they would not turn away a possible 30 enrties by running 1 grid and 30 reserves..... But I guess thats why they made a profit last year and New era didnt.

[skidlids]

I'm sure DD would get a better deal from NE if we commit to filling both race days at a two day meeting.
It does not suit New Era to just try and run our class on a Sunday (probably wouldn't suit other clubs either)so if we said we would also put out two fairly full grids (say min of 25 on each) on the Saturday as well. So that we end up with 4 championship point scoring races at meetings at Pembrey, Snetterton, Anglesey and both Cadwells then they could try filling the grids at Donny and CC with a differnt guest class

[nogaromill998]

Then why do we stick with NE ? Would Bemsee or Thunderbike not be interested in running DD ?
Perhaps I'll just shutup. Seems there are only one or two of us prepared to stick heads over the parapet to get shot at yet everyone moans about it under their breath, and bugger all gets done about it anyway.

[skidlids]

I think Thunderbikes would have at one stage, but now that they have filled there grids I should think they are happy with what they have got. They may also have wanted DD to fill grids on both days as every empty grid space on either day is either costing the race club a loss or the racer a higher entry fee. It works best for the race clubs if they are over subscribed and have riders in reserve

[Scooter916]

I'm sure DD would get a better deal from NE if we commit to filling both race days at a two day meeting.
It does not suit New Era to just try and run our class on a Sunday (probably wouldn't suit other clubs either)so if we said we would also put out two fairly full grids (say min of 25 on each) on the Saturday as well. So that we end up with 4 championship point scoring races at meetings at Pembrey, Snetterton, Anglesey and both Cadwells then they could try filling the grids at Donny and CC with a differnt guest class

I see exactly where you are coming from on this one Kev, So Im guessing that this was brought up at the RC / NE meeting if there was one, Then it was put to the riders before a decision was made....LOL I doubt they could put another guest club in at Donny Who would they aim at, Every one else had their acts sorted early with other clubs who had thier calenders sorted.
I will await confirmation but if, Donnington is a mixed grid with Just 40 racers and gawd knows how many reserves I will Not be entering, £150 buys me a lot of tracktime elswhere, and it will give some of the new guys to the series a chance to get a race, as I remember how Kyle felt at cadwell.
The other point is that I still have yet to recieve My New Era postal regs, So effectivly if I didnt use the tinternet, Those 40 places could have gone before I even recieved my Regs.....UNFAIR........Actually its worse than that it sucks.

[skidlids]

I think the KTM guys would have been up for Donny, 6 of the riders from that series turned up at Daventry for the New Era meeting so they could try and make themselves heard. Talking to a couple of them after the meeting they pretty much knew they would be ruled out of Donny as they were unlikely to be able to put out a full grid but with the change to the class now being Supermoto they hope to attract more entrants so may have managed it.

[Scooter916]

yup there is 20 of them acording to thier web chatter, Still what will be will be, I just feel that the porews that be have lost the reality that without customers they are GONE, Used to be a good friendly club, Just read the hatred posted on there site, Most have voted with their feet.
If DD at donny is as thought My first round will be Anglesey, I are'nt piffing about with all this reserves Shyte, Otherwise I will get ****ed off with the organisation again ( Why i packed in DD in the first place) and torch the DD bike

[Chris Wood]

This is and always has/will be an issue.

eg. in the history of DD there has always been a significant dropout rate, 60 people put their names in the hat for the season, then maybe only 35-40 turn up at each and EVERY round. There is the problem.

DD cannot commit to filling grids, so the commercial operator (NE) has to do everything they can to fill every available grid space. It makes sense, yes the consumer DD suffers, but NE take the huge financial risk of booking the circuits.

Options: You have to make a commitment to the full season, financially, like the Triumph or Suzuki cups require upfront, to ensure full grids are paid, therefore allowing NE to plan well in advance. I'm sure that wont go down well with the DD faithfull??

So, you either enter early and upfront and race as much as you like, or pick and choose you races you want to enter or can afford.

Mixed grids??!! - let it go!! - its in the top 5 of reccuring debates on DD every year, let it go, just race whomever lines up beside you!!!

[Imola Duke]

Steve at this meeting just like Castle Combe in the past I would expect it to be a mixed grid and thats how it reads to me on the entry form, I thought it was 44 allowed on the grid at Donny but I could be mistaken.

So get your entries in early as its first come first served, if your a reserve it doesn't matter how fast you are in quallifying you will still be a reserve

I have just checked and it is 40 starters and 60 allowed in practice so I was mistaken

Hi Kev
Yes 40, Just thought i would point this out to other DDers.
As for me?
My season will start in north wales as after watching a few vids on
you tube it looks like a great place to race.
I did consider donny but for value for the £ the other circuits offer more and
i'm not a fan of donny and what it stands for= lot's of £££££'s
At least one of the new racers in class B will get the chance to race at the first meeting as i really do think there will be lots of disapointed faces.
i maybe wrong but i can see at least 10
going on the reserve list ?
hope not though.
Steve :)

[Scooter916]

I Understand this Chris, But dont we put down £200 to committ to race..... If people lost this then they would think very carefully about putting their names in the hat to start with.
The main point is this is the first race of the year and its a willy waving exercise for jim parker, With the ammount of 583 guys registered this year that could almost fill one grid, But have we been given the chance to prove we can do it, The regs have not even landed on my doorstep yet?????
New Era Have lost the plot this year, what bothers me is that due to their lateness and utter **** comunications lots of people will be reserves through no fault of their own and as you rightly say we are the ones to suffer, its a very bitter pill to swallow.
WSB WILL TAKE MY MIND OFF THE ISSUE THIS WEEKNED ??? YOU GOING???

[Imola Duke]

This is and always has/will be an issue.

eg. in the history of DD there has always been a significant dropout rate, 60 people put their names in the hat for the season, then maybe only 35-40 turn up at each and EVERY round. There is the problem.

DD cannot commit to filling grids, so the commercial operator (NE) has to do everything they can to fill every available grid space. It makes sense, yes the consumer DD suffers, but NE take the huge financial risk of booking the circuits.

Options: You have to make a commitment to the full season, financially, like the Triumph or Suzuki cups require upfront, to ensure full grids are paid, therefore allowing NE to plan well in advance. I'm sure that wont go down well with the DD faithfull??

So, you either enter early and upfront and race as much as you like, or pick and choose you races you want to enter or can afford.



Mixed grids??!! - let it go!! - its in the top 5 of reccuring debates on DD every year, let it go, just race whomever lines up beside you!!!

Did you know that the largest grids at snetterton last year were class A and B in DD ?

[Chris Wood]

Did you know that the largest grids at snetterton last year were class A and B in DD ?

Yep,

I'm looking at it from a NE point of view. If DD could 'cast iron' guarantee that every race meet they would have the numbers, different story.

I feel for you guys, I've thrown a lot of money at NE over the DD years, unfortunately there is no solution for everyone. So you have to make an individual decision.

Don't race at Donny - buys another set of tyres!!

[Chris Wood]

I Understand this Chris, But dont we put down £200 to committ to race..... If people lost this then they would think very carefully about putting their names in the hat to start with.
The main point is this is the first race of the year and its a willy waving exercise for jim parker, With the ammount of 583 guys registered this year that could almost fill one grid, But have we been given the chance to prove we can do it, The regs have not even landed on my doorstep yet?????
New Era Have lost the plot this year, what bothers me is that due to their lateness and utter **** comunications lots of people will be reserves through no fault of their own and as you rightly say we are the ones to suffer, its a very bitter pill to swallow.
WSB WILL TAKE MY MIND OFF THE ISSUE THIS WEEKNED ??? YOU GOING???

I agree completely, it is a risk/reward for Jim.

The 200gbp has never been enforced, maybe it should be for the future?

Not going but, looking forward to PI WSB, be nice to watch it live at a normal time!! I should be at the MotoGP this year!!

[skidlids]

Yet the smallest Class Grid at Mallory in 2008 for the first round was DD Class B followed by Class A, with the SoT grid being 32 strong, take out the 5 DD bikes and it still had 27 entrants compared to Class Bs 19 plus a guest rider for PB mag

[Chris Wood]

Then why do we stick with NE ? Would Bemsee or Thunderbike not be interested in running DD ?
Perhaps I'll just shutup. Seems there are only one or two of us prepared to stick heads over the parapet to get shot at yet everyone moans about it under their breath, and bugger all gets done about it anyway.

Is that an application to be on the Race Committee? Step right up, your race series needs you!!

[TP]

This is and always has/will be an issue.

eg. in the history of DD there has always been a significant dropout rate, 60 people put their names in the hat for the season, then maybe only 35-40 turn up at each and EVERY round. There is the problem.

DD cannot commit to filling grids, so the commercial operator (NE) has to do everything they can to fill every available grid space. It makes sense, yes the consumer DD suffers, but NE take the huge financial risk of booking the circuits.

Options: You have to make a commitment to the full season, financially, like the Triumph or Suzuki cups require upfront, to ensure full grids are paid, therefore allowing NE to plan well in advance. I'm sure that wont go down well with the DD faithfull??

So, you either enter early and upfront and race as much as you like, or pick and choose you races you want to enter or can afford.

Mixed grids??!! - let it go!! - its in the top 5 of reccuring debates on DD every year, let it go, just race whomever lines up beside you!!!
But Chris ... and I love you maaaaaaate ;)

If the consumer (the racer) knew wtf they were getting for their money BEFORE committing, like any other business, then they might stand a chance of achieving some sort of loyalty! And then everyone wins, the racer knows what they're getting and can plan. And the organiser knows how many entries they're going to get - it's not rocket science!

[Chris Wood]

Agreed.

So IF NE gave a gtee for whatever, would the DD'ers pay up front for the season?

1200gbp : - That's 8*150gbp for practice/qually/2 races per weekend.

For that there is Mastercard!!

[nogaromill998]

I know you are playing Devil's Advocate here Chris, but why SHOULD the season be paid for FULLY in advance? You dont pay your council tax fully in advance, or your weekly shopping for the year....the shop puts on a FULL display in the hope that you'll continue shopping....doesnt say you can ONLY go at certain times with X number of other people.....or only half stock the shop....and if trackday companies can make a decent living charging, in the main, far less than £150, to far fewer people than race at a NE meet.....why, when entries cost so much, does DD get such a raw deal from NE ? Look at their site, we dont even rate a mention in their list of classes that they run, despite all riders HAVING to be bona fide fully paid up members just the same as riders in any other class !!!!
if its in the top 5 bones of contention each year, then its about time something was done about it ! if I REALLY thought that being on the RC would help, I'd willingly stand, but I'm not about to stand against those that have been duly elected for this year, but that doesnt mean I have to be happy with the way NE is allowed to run roughshod over DD as if they are doing us a favour ! Its OUR series, DSC.....we NEED to have a say in the way its run.....we are REQUIRED to be there at Donington for both days, to blow sunshine up NE's backsides.......so if they make such demands, where are the DSC's demands? Its a 2 way thing, or should be at least.

[Chris Wood]

Agreed with all Nog.

Maybe quarterly payments to NE would work as a gtee of being on the grid.

Unfortunately they hold the cards as the promoter.

Think Bernie and Dorna, and WSB, Flammini? They set the rules. Who owns the show? Organisers or riders? You can't have on with out the other.

The rub has been that DD is a DSC series run by NE on our behalf, a certain complication. IF it was given directly to NE, maybe even worse/or better, depends on who you ask??

Supply and demand is a bugger.

LOTS of series have come and gone, we have got to think practically about how to really strengthen the DSC/DD series so we hold a better set of cards than the promoters so they come to us.

[couchcommando]

Can we use wets and warmers ?

[paynep]

Then why do we stick with NE ? Would Bemsee or Thunderbike not be interested in running DD ?
Perhaps I'll just shutup. Seems there are only one or two of us prepared to stick heads over the parapet to get shot at yet everyone moans about it under their breath, and bugger all gets done about it anyway.

There is an obvious answer here to one statement..............:lol:

[AK]

Would Bemsee or ThunderSPORT not be interested in running DD ?


no i wouldnt think so.
thundersport had an approach last year in feb and said no.
Both clubs have full grids this year in all classes

[Scooter916]

There is an obvious answer here to one statement..............:lol:

Was that the statement released by e mail (Cleggy) That cleared things up for me that did..........;)

[paynep]

I really must stop coming here. Every year it’s the same old sh*t – why don’t we do this, why don’t they do that, we pays our money but they takes the p*ss and the grass is greener over there, there and there.

I’m simple and I like things simple, rules are here, races are there, if I want to race I sign up.

If I’m going to get precious about who I’m racing with, how many laps, at which tracks, how big the trophies are, if someone might be cheating/better/spending more than me; I’ll just go and race somewhere else where it’s not the case….

Oh no, I’ve got a Ducati so I’m Special….

See you on the grid then :lol:

[Trudi Riders Rep]

Hi Paul

Well said i only put a post up to let people know to get there entrys in .
I thought i was being helpfull but its seems its just gets taken over.
Like you said can we just go and race and have fun,

see you soon

Trudi :-) x

[Scooter916]

I like Simple too, but it never is..... Especialy when you have a business to run on a saturday and are told our championship races are sunday races.... then have to plan a saturday off to sit in the paddock waving willies for the TV cameras.
I have tried to contact NE as to why we are expected to be there on a saturday and no answer to their Phone all day, No replys to e mails.....
Sounds familiar because it is paul.

[paynep]

I like Simple too I have tried to contact NE as to why we are expected to be there on a saturday and no answer to their Phone all day, No replys to e mails.....
Sounds familiar because it is paul.

I thought that's what Riders Reps / RC were there for?

NO, NO STOP, TAKE THE FUNNY JACKET OFF, AAARGH.......

[Scooter916]

Yea so did I till I got an e mail from cleggy today stating this.
So I tried to call them, They were probably hiding............
Dear DD rider
The club has not been informed by New Era that we have a combined grid for the Donington Park meeting, and they are fully aware of number of entered for each class with the DSC.
If they is any problems or clarification are required about entry forms or meeting please contact New Era directly.
As a suggestion I would recommend that for events entered box, on entry form you mention which class of bike you are race i.e. Class A or B.

[Scooter916]

Dear DD rider
The club has not been informed by New Era that we have a combined grid for the Donington Park meeting, and they are fully aware of number of entered for each class with the DSC.
If they is any problems or clarification are required about entry forms or meeting please contact New Era directly.
As a suggestion I would recommend that for events entered box, on entry form you mention which class of bike you are race i.e. Class A or B.
Cleggys Spilling BTW

[paynep]

It's a fake, there are only one typo.......


PS Not seen the mail yet so apologies for jumping the gun - I'm the new Trouty!

[Scooter916]

It's a fake, there are only one typo.......


PS Not seen the mail yet so apologies for jumping the gun - I'm the new Trouty!
Naa worries matey

[Chris Wood]

Can we use wets and warmers ?

You, my friend, are hilarious:lol:

[jimbers45]

Can we use wets and warmers ? :lol: :lol: :roll:

[trouty]

I'm sure DD would get a better deal from NE if we commit to filling both race days at a two day meeting.
It does not suit New Era to just try and run our class on a Sunday (probably wouldn't suit other clubs either)so if we said we would also put out two fairly full grids (say min of 25 on each) on the Saturday as well. So that we end up with 4 championship point scoring races at meetings at Pembrey, Snetterton, Anglesey and both Cadwells then they could try filling the grids at Donny and CC with a differnt guest class

dude, i'm pretty sure that at most meetings last season where we were sunday only, NE eventually cottoned on and also held non championship DD races on the saturday... i can definitely remember this being the case at snetterton and at cadwell. And, if my prevailing memory serves me correctly, the majority of sunday dd'ers were also saturday dd'ers, if that makes sense!

not to mention the amount of dd'ers that also enter 2nd and in some cases 3rd classes as well, NE do pretty well from the DD series!

they certainly do well enough from the dd series to warrant, at the very least, a response to emails being sent to them! seriously, at what cost is an email? 2 minutes of time. and what cost to not bother replying to an email? i'm not on the grid this season, you do the math.

KRC went belly up cos they suddenly felt they didnt need to communicate with the teams anymore, NE are going the same way. I hope they can turn it around.

[skidlids]

dude, i'm pretty sure that at most meetings last season where we were sunday only, NE eventually cottoned on and also held non championship DD races on the saturday... i can definitely remember this being the case at snetterton and at cadwell. And, if my prevailing memory serves me correctly, the majority of sunday dd'ers were also saturday dd'ers, if that makes sense!

not to mention the amount of dd'ers that also enter 2nd and in some cases 3rd classes as well, NE do pretty well from the DD series!

they certainly do well enough from the dd series to warrant, at the very least, a response to emails being sent to them! seriously, at what cost is an email? 2 minutes of time. and what cost to not bother replying to an email? i'm not on the grid this season, you do the math.

KRC went belly up cos they suddenly felt they didnt need to communicate with the teams anymore, NE are going the same way. I hope they can turn it around.


OK done a quick bit of Counting

Cadwell Saturday - Class A 15, Class B 8
Cadwell Sunday - Class A 17, Class B 17

Donington Saturday, 10 from both Class A & B sharing with Hornets & 400s
Donington Sunday Class A -22 (includes a few Class B riders), Class B 19

So how many empty grid spaces, I make it between the order of 14 to 28, with each space worth £100 plus over two races or one long race, do the maths on that

And Brands last year was just like Donny this year, Two Races with a Mixed grid of both Class A & B, No reserves on Saturday and a few on Sunday

[trouty]

Cleggys Spilling BTW

Cleggy's a south african??? :o :eek:

[trouty]

OK done a quick bit of Counting

Cadwell Saturday - Class A 15, Class B 8
Cadwell Sunday - Class A 17, Class B 17

Donington Saturday, 10 from both Class A & B sharing with Hornets & 400s
Donington Sunday Class A -22 (includes a few Class B riders), Class B 19

So how many empty grid spaces, I make it between the order of 14 to 28, with each space worth £100 plus over two races or one long race, do the maths on that


that makes 13 missing on Cadwell saturday, and none missing from Donington saturday, as they entered into an entirely different class.

so thats (using £100 as a ball park figure) £1300 missing from the saturday grid.

OR, another way to look at it... an ADDITIONAL 23 entries at Cadwell and an ADDITIONAL 10 entries at Donington, using the same £100 minimum figure, thats an ADDITIONAL REVENUE of £3300 that NE wouldnt have received.

peace yo

[couchcommando]

You, my friend, are hilarious:lol:

Everyone knows top of the pre-season training list for DD is whinging, to miss out wets and warmers from the pre-season whinging schedule is short changing the newcomers, they can damn well take in the whole DD experience as we have all done for the last few years :)

[paynep]

Everyone knows top of the pre-season training list for DD is whinging, to miss out wets and warmers from the pre-season whinging schedule is short changing the newcomers, they can damn well take in the whole DD experience as we have all done for the last few years :)

I think the only thing missing this year is an ex-MotoGP rider being cleared to ride in Class B.....?:devil:

[trouty]

I think the only thing missing this year is an ex-MotoGP rider being cleared to ride in Class B.....?:devil:

i hear Hopkins has become available and is looking for a ride...

[skidlids]

that makes 13 missing on Cadwell saturday, and none missing from Donington saturday, as they entered into an entirely different class.

so thats (using £100 as a ball park figure) £1300 missing from the saturday grid.

OR, another way to look at it... an ADDITIONAL 23 entries at Cadwell and an ADDITIONAL 10 entries at Donington, using the same £100 minimum figure, thats an ADDITIONAL REVENUE of £3300 that NE wouldnt have received.

peace yo

Cadwell grids were seperate as we keep telling new Era we have at least 25 per class racing so please don't mix our grids,
So we get to Cadwell with seperate grids each day and Cadwell can take at least 38 so only putting 8 on it is 30 places short & £1000 is £3k
Class A grid 23 empty places so thats £2.3k, a total of £5.3K not earn't from those grid slots.

So in summary two full grids of 38 at £100 per spot should generate a revenue of £6.8K or even if settling for 25 slots thats £5k revenue expected
and we paid them less than £2.3k for those two grids, as Mats Class A entry would have been at a cost of £25 per race. The other costs are based on £100 as a round figure, yes I know its more by about 10% to 15% and although that does increase the income it also increases the losses by more

Sunday we again fell short of filling the two grids that we had been given, we didn't even get half a grid out in each class so again New Era made a loss.

[Scooter916]

Well my entry Has gone in this morning, Even though I still have No idea as to the race day(s) format.
I suppose the more entries we get in Gives us a bigger clout and the earlier they are in gives us more time to negotiate.

[WeeJohnyB]

Checkout the new CB500 racing, now moved from NE - after a lifetime there they are now with Thundersport for all the reasons you lot bleat about. (poor NE have reaped what they have sowed for years so their own fault). It all looks extremely professional and they are up to 44 bikes, most I've ever heard of in my time. They also have a way around the grid situation and the full season question.....don't know if it's right, but appears sensible. The forum is brand new and doesn't include all the old posts and debate before they got here. I think the racers behind it have done an amazing job in taking a max20/25 grid, very often a lot less up to full grids and reserves. Also no longer just the Honda 500 Cup, so other 500's can enter (although none have up to now so its all CB5's).....maybe DD should let an old guy on his shed enter DD class B to help fill the grids....go on go on go on

I'll need my wets and warmers mind you......ha ha ha

http://www.cb500cup.co.uk/

WeeJohnyB

[trouty]

Cadwell sunday

mixed grids
all comers 500 had 11 on the grid. 4 of which were dd'ers
all comers open and dave holland trophy had 17 (bear in mind it was billed as the Dave Holland Festival)
supermoto/SoT/Supermono - 21
probike open + f600 - 21
125/250/f400/cb500/sv (5 classes sharing a grid) 18... 5 were dd'ers

single grids
Desmo B - 17
Desmo A - 17 (2 class B)
supermono 18
lansdowne classics had 23

so of the 4 classes that had single grids, each of our class had practically as many, and almost as many if not more than, the mixed grids.

Yes, im sure NE may have lost some money here, but that CANNOT be attributed to the DD classes!

[paynep]

Hey, there's a thought - maybe if we were to just have the one class and let other bikes in we'd solve all our grid problems too?

I'll get me coat.........

[trouty]

Hey, there's a thought - maybe if we were to just have the one class and let other bikes in we'd solve all our grid problems too?

I'll get me coat.........

i like it! how about, all v twins under 650cc? what could we call it?

:D

[skidlids]

Cadwell sunday

mixed grids
all comers 500 had 11 on the grid. 4 of which were dd'ers
all comers open and dave holland trophy had 17 (bear in mind it was billed as the Dave Holland Festival)
supermoto/SoT/Supermono - 21
probike open + f600 - 21
125/250/f400/cb500/sv (5 classes sharing a grid) 18... 5 were dd'ers

single grids
Desmo B - 17
Desmo A - 17 (2 class B)
supermono 18
lansdowne classics had 23

so of the 4 classes that had single grids, each of our class had practically as many, and almost as many if not more than, the mixed grids.

Yes, im sure NE may have lost some money here, but that CANNOT be attributed to the DD classes!


Lets Just take Sunday, they could have put us all on a mixed grid so in place of 4 races on the entry they could have just put two, yes we would almost have filled it and there income would have been the same, they then could have offered the other two race grids to another guest class someone like the carts and earnt another £2k to £3k, They could also have done that Saturday.
But New Era gave us seperate grids on both days and really it should have earnt them more money, why bother having guest classes if they don't generate the level of income they expect

As for CB500s. I and many NE members think it was daft having a club and superclub championship for them, splitting the 25 to 30 riders in to two groups, one single CB500 championship would have been far better replacing two grids of a bout 15 each with one grid of 25 to 30, no doubt thats what Thunderbsport have done
They have learnt there lesson there and have cut down on the amount of championships and the amount of meetings they run. I wonder what they are learning about guest classes.

[steve41]

Not looked at Forum for a few weeks, just sent entry form for Donnington after email from Dom.

I do hope they let me know if I am racing or reserve before I travel down from sunny Scotland!!!!!

What is the normal process as it is my first year with DD, do New Era hold entry as a deposit for next round, or return if you don't get an entry?

[skidlids]

Not looked at Forum for a few weeks, just sent entry form for Donnington after email from Dom.

I do hope they let me know if I am racing or reserve before I travel down from sunny Scotland!!!!!

What is the normal process as it is my first year with DD, do New Era hold entry as a deposit for next round, or return if you don't get an entry?

Hi Steve
I have found myself as a reserve before in years gone past.
First time I turned up at the meeting (Donington) with my CBR600 hoping to get on to the F600 grid and never got out. I was issued with a credit note.
Next time I got an entry through marked reserve I sent it along with all tickets back and asked for a credit note, at least this time I didn't spent time and money going, instead I did a NGRRC meeting the same weekend although it cost me a late entry fee

[skidlids]

Costs

Cadwell circuit hire lets say £16000 per day (a fraction of Doningtons & Brands hire costs and probably on the conservative side)

Classes racing = 9 last time we were there
Cost of entry £115, of which some goes to paying for the medical cover, some towards the ACU Licence so lets say £85 is left to go to Circuit hireThe circuit hire spread across 9 classes/grids comes to £1778 per class/grid, this would require 21 entrants on each grid to cover the costs, providing they are not paying just the £25 for an extra race.

New Era as the organising club that has to pay for the circuit hire well in advance would be wise to work along the lines of a minimum 25 entries per class/grid to cover their costs. So when looking at Guest classes they would be looking for the ones that can put around 25 riders on each grid. DD says they can do that and they often do, but sometimes they don't.

Brands and Donny cost a lot more so they probably need in excess of 30 on each grid with slightly hire entry fees, something DD might manage but no guarntees so at these venues its in their interests to offer just one grid (just like the Dutch club did at Assen) and know you will get the required number. Now if they had offered us two seperate grids and by the closing date only had 45 entries and with programmes etc needing to be at the printers within 8 days from the closing date it would leave them very little time (1 week) to change things, so that DD only had one mixed grid and then sell the other grid to someone else, it just wouldn't be possible in that time frame

Assen is a good example, last year we didn't get enough bikes out there and could not guarantee them we would this year so they have gone with another guest class.

[Scooter916]

An update from Jean at new Era regarding the schedule
They do not Know what is happening at the moment, They will Hopefully have more information by Monday

[Ray]

Everyone knows top of the pre-season training list for DD is whinging, to miss out wets and warmers from the pre-season whinging schedule is short changing the newcomers, they can damn well take in the whole DD experience as we have all done for the last few years :)


Time to re ignite :flame: the debate about class C for 748s then?:devil:


Ray.

[Imola Duke]

Can the RC let us know many riders have registered for class A and B ?
:)

Just interested in the possible grid size's

[Imola Duke]

Yet the smallest Class Grid at Mallory in 2008 for the first round was DD Class B followed by Class A, with the SoT grid being 32 strong, take out the 5 DD bikes and it still had 27 entrants compared to Class Bs 19 plus a guest rider for PB mag

Did a TD yesterday at mallory and gerrards has a few new bumps :eek:

Another new rider in class B came along and did very well for his first time out :)

[skidlids]

Can the RC let us know many riders have registered for class A and B ?
:)

Just interested in the possible grid size's

Possibly to many for Class B and not enough Class A

[Imola Duke]

Possibly to many for Class B and not enough Class A

Thanks Kev :)

[skidlids]

Thanks Kev :)

I'd like to know myself Steve as I'm constructing some check sheets for the scrutineers to be able to use at any Parc Fermes we have, weight checks (hope Scooter916 has found some lead to add) and Dyno checks.

[Scooter916]

You fecker that was our little secret, I have added my laptimer, Coffee machine and toaster for the long straights, So i recon I should just about meet the minimum wieghts

[skidlids]

You fecker that was our little secret,

Can't have been I just had ChrisP mention it on the phone 20 minutes ago
add a steel arm, there's a extra 1.4kg and then stick an old style wheel in it

Then you'll have to decide between the Toaster and the Coffee machine to which you get rid of.

[Imola Duke]

I'd like to know myself Steve as I'm constructing some check sheets for the scrutineers to be able to use at any Parc Fermes we have, weight checks (hope Scooter916 has found some lead to add) and Dyno checks.

Can you get mine on the dyno... Please!
I would love to know what power my puts out :)

[Scooter916]

Can't have been I just had ChrisP mention it on the phone 20 minutes ago
add a steel arm, there's a extra 1.4kg and then stick an old style wheel in it

Then you'll have to decide between the Toaster and the Coffee machine to which you get rid of.


Shuuurly not thats a step back in evolution isnt it....
The church roof may well be taking a hammering this weekend....The cops are busy having a crack down on motorcyclists and scooterists so I recon I could leg a few KG of lead without getting caught...

[faith-healer]

I'd like to know myself Steve as I'm constructing some check sheets for the scrutineers to be able to use at any Parc Fermes we have, weight checks (hope Scooter916 has found some lead to add) and Dyno checks.

Is DSC covered for possible claims, from riders/owners of machines in the event of engine failure/damage whilst on the dyno' ?....

....as it will be compulsory

[chris.p]

Is DSC covered for possible claims, from riders/owners of machines in the event of engine failure/damage whilst on the dyno' ?....

....as it will be compulsory



Why would it blow up on the dyno when reved to a controled rpm, than on the track where they are constantly over reved as one is not looking at the tacho???


Chris:burn:

[chris.p]

Can't have been I just had ChrisP mention it on the phone 20 minutes ago.


Whistle blower :frog:



Chris:burn:

[Scooter916]

Yea now tell everyone I have fitted a 200kg trailer to it

[skidlids]

Why would it blow up on the dyno when reved to a controled rpm, than on the track where they are constantly over reved as one is not looking at the tacho???


Chris:burn:


Quite right Chris

The ACU handbook states It is the riders responsibility to ensure his machine used in competition is technically and structurally in a safe coindition.

as such it has to be able to pass technical inspection be that reving it up for a sound check to ensure it does not exceed the specified noise limit or a Dyno run to ensure it does not exceed the specified power limit.

If you have signed up for DD then you have agreed to comply with the rules one of which is

Compliance Control

At the end of the race, the DSC Race Committee can request that all classified motorcycles are placed in a parc-fermé for a period of at least 30 minutes.

Any motorcycle can be checked for compliance with these rules, and any other technical requirement, if requested by a representative of the DSC Race Committee

So if a check on the bikes power to see if it complies with the bhp limit will require a dynorun

Now if a race bike can't withstand a dyno run I do wonder if it should be out there on the race track

[MLC Racing]

Can we use wets and warmers ?

Cental heating for my pigeons.

Ee its grim up north!

[faith-healer]

Quite right Chris

The ACU handbook states It is the riders responsibility to ensure his machine used in competition is technically and structurally in a safe coindition.

as such it has to be able to pass technical inspection be that reving it up for a sound check to ensure it does not exceed the specified noise limit or a Dyno run to ensure it does not exceed the specified power limit.

If you have signed up for DD then you have agreed to comply with the rules one of which is

Compliance Control

At the end of the race, the DSC Race Committee can request that all classified motorcycles are placed in a parc-fermé for a period of at least 30 minutes.

Any motorcycle can be checked for compliance with these rules, and any other technical requirement, if requested by a representative of the DSC Race Committee

So if a check on the bikes power to see if it complies with the bhp limit will require a dynorun

Now if a race bike can't withstand a dyno run I do wonder if it should be out there on the race track


Just playing devils advocate, asking the question....as I am fairly sure that "IF" the worst happened liability would almost certainly fall on the rules makers.....DSC.

Perhaps the race committee should check it out....there are many cases of....Oh! it will never happen. Then it does and......**it happens.

It may mean a small extra insurance cost, but better that then a bigger legal bill.

Here in Warrington all taxis are required to run on a rolling road at a specific revs' to measure both exhaust noise and emmissions. (Compliance Control)

A Mercedes diesel blew up "on test" The Transport licencing dept. denied all liability.....which eventually cost them over £25,000. Repairs and loss of earning for the owner driver of the Merc'.

[Senna3]

Dd Is A Dsc Game Invented By Dsc

You Wont To Play There Game You Play By There Rules Simple

You Dont Like There Rules Go Play Somebody Elses Game Easy

Dd Is Not Compulsary Its Your Choice

If The Grass Is So Much Greener On The Other Side Why Are We All Still Here?????

Simple Because We Love It



Nuff Said End Of

[Steve GD]

Just playing devils advocate, asking the question....as I am fairly sure that "IF" the worst happened liability would almost certainly fall on the rules makers.....DSC.

Perhaps the race committee should check it out....there are many cases of....Oh! it will never happen. Then it does and......**it happens.

It may mean a small extra insurance cost, but better that then a bigger legal bill.

Here in Warrington all taxis are required to run on a rolling road at a specific revs' to measure both exhaust noise and emmissions. (Compliance Control)

A Mercedes diesel blew up "on test" The Transport licencing dept. denied all liability.....which eventually cost them over £25,000. Repairs and loss of earning for the owner driver of the Merc'.

Entirely valid point, and well made, too.

Given that this is an entirely voluntary (and largely insane) thing to do in the first place, I suspect it is unlikely that anyone will try to take advantage in the way that the Taxi driver seems to have done. Apart from anythng else,the line of riders laughing at him would give him pause for thought. In fact, I'd like to be there at the front if one did try it on!
http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif

[faith-healer]

I'm not quite sure how I should respond to the...."if you don't like it **** off tone" of some replies to my posting.

The senario I outlined COULD happen....I didn't make any threats, just pointed out that maybe the race committee should look at the implications of Dyno' testing being complulsory....

No wonder Ducatisti is seen to be a far more friendly site and a damned sight less cliquey.

Thanks for looking at the big picture guys :rolleyes:


Steve GD

The taxi driver didn't "take advantage", the testing station wrecked his engine, the owner of the cab wasn't even in the building. The transport licencing refused to accept liability and the owner/driver could not afford the £3,500 bill for repairs. Mercedes UK stated that the test procedure was flawed and it still took almost six months before Warrington Transport Dept accepted that "they were wrong" and repaired the car.The driver was unable to work until the car was fixed as he only owned the one car.

BTW The driver wasn't me

[injected]

Re the dyno testing, I think you'll find that the ACU and the race organisers/promotors are fully indemnified against any and all damage occuring to anyone or anything involved in the meeting. That's what's on the sign-up sheet. Maybe taxi emissions testing stations aren't (weren't?) covering their asses before starting to work on other people's cars....

[Ghost]

About 3 years ago I had to do some water flow measurements on a WSB at Foggy Petronas. It was Mr Walkers bike. They were getting ready for a meeting and I was told that my results would have to come from one dyno run only as they were not prepared to sacrifice reliability by doing any more.

[Chris Wood]

I'm not quite sure how I should respond to the...."if you don't like it **** off tone" of some replies to my posting.

The senario I outlined COULD happen....I didn't make any threats, just pointed out that maybe the race committee should look at the implications of Dyno' testing being complulsory....

No wonder Ducatisti is seen to be a far more friendly site and a damned sight less cliquey.

Thanks for looking at the big picture guys :rolleyes:



As I read it: Senna's post, if that which you refer isn't directly related to your post at all.

You make an interesting point. I would expect most dyno operators have a level of indemnity, or maybe you sign that away when you allow it to be done. What happens if my bike breaks a dyno?? Do the sue me??

Either way the big picture is surely that the series rules require you to submit your bike to a dyno, if required, in order to try and achieve parity for all.

Please all the people all the time, never, but still worth a try.

[skidlids]

About 3 years ago I had to do some water flow measurements on a WSB at Foggy Petronas. It was Mr Walkers bike. They were getting ready for a meeting and I was told that my results would have to come from one dyno run only as they were not prepared to sacrifice reliability by doing any more.

And how many races are those engines built for, they're not really based on a production bike that is meant to last tens of thousdands of miles.

Do the riders want the series policed or not, there have been plenty of posts over the years complaining about the lack of checks, calling for Parc Fermes, claims of cheating going on. Some of the more heated debates are no longer available after being pulled, but they did take place, I recall one that popped up after Snetterton last year but I can't find it now.

[Imola Duke]

I don't think there is much chance of a 583 letting go on a dyno!
I did think at snett on the long back straight mine would let go at some stage :eek:
I only had one breakdown and that was a loose wire :mad:

[Steve GD]

I don't think there is much chance of a 583 letting go on a dyno!
I did think at snett on the long back straight mine would let go at some stage :eek:
I only had one breakdown and that was a loose wire :mad:
Pretty sure that Faith-healer doesn't expect one to break either, but was only hoping to prevent a sticky situation. Competitors have said they want the series policed - I'm sure they will accept the risk of a dyno misadventure. To be frank, Id much rather my bike let go on the dyno than on the back straight at Snetterton. But then, my cowardice is legendary.

[Scooter916]

Yes to Policing Skids, there is no point having rules if they are not policed.
Re blowing up on the dyno.... If it does go bang, it would have done it the very next time you race it, I know where I would prefer my bike to blow up and it aint half way around charlies..

[Imola Duke]

Pretty sure that Faith-healer doesn't expect one to break either, but was only hoping to prevent a sticky situation. Competitors have said they want the series policed - I'm sure they will accept the risk of a dyno misadventure. To be frank, Id much rather my bike let go on the dyno than on the back straight at Snetterton. But then, my cowardice is legendary.


But what chance as a mid pack rider getting pulled by scrut and RC.

No problem with policing i have nothing to hide!!!!!!

I'll get my coat and switch channels! :rolleyes:

[Tonio600]

Is DSC covered for possible claims, from riders/owners of machines in the event of engine failure/damage whilst on the dyno' ?....

....as it will be compulsory

Surely that must be a joke. :)

[skidlids]

But what chance as a mid pack rider getting pulled by scrut and RC.

No problem with policing i have nothing to hide!!!!!!

I'll get my coat and switch channels! :rolleyes:

Steve the useual Policy is top 3 and then up to 3 choosen either at random or ones that are suspect.
A lot would depend on how many rounds a dyno could be at. If you could have one at every round you could probably check the whole DD field.

If the same 3 bikes keep finishig on the podium there is no point in keeping on Dynoing them so the honours would drop down the list to those next in the finishing order.

When there was a dyno in the paddock at Castle Combe in 2007 (there to check the GSXR cup bikes) my bike went on it after every track session at my own cost, did a deal with them on the day for several power runs with Air fuel ratio graphs and kept tweeking the Power commander each run.

[Imola Duke]

Steve the useual Policy is top 3 and then up to 3 choosen either at random or ones that are suspect.
A lot would depend on how many rounds a dyno could be at. If you could have one at every round you could probably check the whole DD field.

If the same 3 bikes keep finishig on the podium there is no point in keeping on Dynoing them so the honours would drop down the list to those next in the finishing order.

When there was a dyno in the paddock at Castle Combe in 2007 (there to check the GSXR cup bikes) my bike went on it after every track session at my own cost, did a deal with them on the day for several power runs with Air fuel ratio graphs and kept tweeking the Power commander each run.

Thanks Kev :)
If the dyno is at one of our rounds i may well strike a deal and get mine on the dyno to see what bhp my 583 has to offer.

[nogaromill998]

I'll try to get mine on Phil Seton's Dynapro before we start but it will be good to get it dyno'd on the same one as everyone else......

[WeeJohnyB]

It's funny when you stand next to the dyno and your bike is being revved hard up to the red line (if you have one). You have just totally ragged it hard for a 20 min race maxing it out in all gears, but it somehow sounds a lot different when you are standing next to it - boy it's loud and harsh and you want to tell the guy to stop revving your bike so hard or he'll break it.

Even the threat of the dyno being there can be enough to get the cheats. I've said before but at NE, it used to come every so often and you wouldn't know when until you saw it in the paddock and the word went around.....suddenly people were not in the bar on Friday night but had some last minute work to do on their bike with the gazebo shut, light on, late into the night....wonder why eh?

WeeJohnyB

[ChrisBushell]

In the famous words words of Monty Python -"no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

As an integral part of ensuring a level playing field in Desmo Due, teh Race Committee reserves unto itself the right at any time to impound a grid in Parc ferme and perform such checks as it deems necessary on any or all of the bikes.

Now as I should have more time avaiable this summer than last year, I feel the need to make up for a few lost opportunities! There will be no prior announcement that will allow people to fix their bikes the night before!

[WeeJohnyB]

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....
Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency....
Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
Our four... no...
Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...
are such elements as fear, surprise...
I'll come in again.

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A

I can see it all now

WeeJohnyB

[WhiteWizard]

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A

I can see it all now

WeeJohnyB

Very Good, Lol.
Yes, I'm sure all of us would be up for any checks in the interest of fairness. (Although a dyno would probably be easier prior to pulling a bike to bits).
If these Suprise, ruthless, fearful checks are going to be done, I do hope that the race techs are going to be in propper uniform, ie, red gown, red cap, red brimmed hat and moustaches especially groomed for the occasion. that would lighten things up a bit! :o)
The clerk our chairman could also be anointed "BISHOP"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2etGhVewsvQ

The guy with the flag at the race start....... adorned as follows......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNKSzmM44gE

Looking forward to it all.