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WeeJohnyB
12-Sep-2009, 16:54
Another cracking Pronto in the post this morning.
Some really good articles and some random person relaxing for the caption contest photo (cheers Guido).
Lovely piece on Lucie (Grib).
Well done to Jools and everyone who contributed and got it produced and packaged and posted.
WeeJohnyB
Col996s
12-Sep-2009, 17:14
Well said WJB.
I think that not having a printed version of Pronto is a backwards step. There is so much info availabe these days on the web then it will become just another piece of data to download. Having a printed copy delivered to the door is far better IMHO.
I know there is an option to get a printed copy but if not enough people opt for this it will not be viable for the club to go to the printers for just a few copies?
What is the break even number Jools?
WeeJohnyB
12-Sep-2009, 19:48
Each to their own Col. I know many have been asking for it for a while and are happy to read on a screen or print off and read. Personally I like the glossy hardcopy. If it saves the club money, then great. Bit miffed at having to pay another £10 in membership, a 50% increase for the same as I got this year. Effectively £1.25 a copy if you want a hardcopy quarterly. I would have thought another £5 would have done it. £30 will put a lot of people off imo. This is the first 'differentiated' membership as far as I know. Where next?
WeeJohnyB
skidlids
12-Sep-2009, 19:55
Each to their own Col. I know many have been asking for it for a while and are happy to read on a screen or print off and read. Personally I like the glossy hardcopy. If it saves the club money, then great. Bit miffed at having to pay another £10 in membership, a 50% increase for the same as I got this year. Effectively £1.25 a copy if you want a hardcopy quarterly. I would have thought another £5 would have done it. £30 will put a lot of people off imo. This is the first 'differentiated' membership as far as I know. Where next?
WeeJohnyB
Seconded
gordonparker
13-Sep-2009, 07:06
Thirded:eek: Each to their own Col. I know many have been asking for it for a while and are happy to read on a screen or print off and read. Personally I like the glossy hardcopy. If it saves the club money, then great. Bit miffed at having to pay another £10 in membership, a 50% increase for the same as I got this year. Effectively £1.25 a copy if you want a hardcopy quarterly. I would have thought another £5 would have done it. £30 will put a lot of people off imo. This is the first 'differentiated' membership as far as I know. Where next?
WeeJohnyB
chris.p
13-Sep-2009, 10:46
Each to their own Col. I know many have been asking for it for a while and are happy to read on a screen or print off and read. Personally I like the glossy hardcopy. If it saves the club money, then great. Bit miffed at having to pay another £10 in membership, a 50% increase for the same as I got this year. Effectively £1.25 a copy if you want a hardcopy quarterly. I would have thought another £5 would have done it. £30 will put a lot of people off imo. This is the first 'differentiated' membership as far as I know. Where next?
WeeJohnyB
Fourthed:(
Surly an increase of that amount should be put to the membership for a vote???
Chris:burn:
bradders
13-Sep-2009, 18:08
thought the idea was a discount if you didnt rather than extra if you did
WeeJohnyB
14-Sep-2009, 14:39
That's true Bradders, what happenned to that one?
WeeJohnyB
Before this gets too off track.
Yep, another cracking Pronto, thanks to all involved especially the article writers and Jools.
Ray.
skidlids
14-Sep-2009, 16:41
Yep, another cracking Pronto, thanks to all involved especially the article writers and Jools.
.
I'll second those comments, its taking me a bit longer to read through this one, well done all those concerned
mayber the postie has lost mine
once again :mad: so if one of the mt is treading this can you check i am still on the mailing list as i dont seem to get anything for my membership in 2009
final_edition
14-Sep-2009, 18:02
Will those with life membership have to pay for a glossy copy of Pronto? If so, it's not what I signed up to.
crikey,i was going to payup and rejoin the club as now im back into the ducati ways ive been missing pronto but at £30 a year i think i'll hold back until the issue is resolved
Thanks for you comments folks.
I will bask in the general warmth of the positive comments and leave the pricing issue to another thread if I may ;)
AK: I will make sure that you get your copy of Pronto
AK: I will make sure that you get your copy of Pronto
thankyou.
if i can have any copies from this year as since number 41 arrived i havent had any more turn up.
final_edition
15-Sep-2009, 17:45
Will those with life membership have to pay for a glossy copy of Pronto? If so, it's not what I signed up to.
I see that MT members have been online since my op. Can my original question be answered?
final_edition
17-Sep-2009, 17:53
Anyone.........?:confused:
I will clarify it and get back to you. I know we discussed it during one of our meetings about 6 weeks or so back but I can't remember the outcome. It's my age.
AK: I will make sure that you get your copy of Pronto
is this and the earleir ones on their way now?
all other post getting here without problems.
is this and the earleir ones on their way now?
all other post getting here without problems.
Yes, I have asked for the missing Pronto's to be posted to you. PM me if they don't arrive by the end of the week
Yes, I have asked for the missing Pronto's to be posted to you. PM me if they don't arrive by the end of the week
still nothing and have had post daily this week including parcels
still nothing and have had post daily this week including parcels
I asked for them to be posted to you earlier this week, by registered post, to make sure you got them. I will chase again.
and still nothing :rolleyes:
WeeJohnyB
01-Oct-2009, 09:09
:( You're having a laugh surely
Anyone not want their copy, send a U2U to AK, get his address and send him yours in the post. Do it today and he'll have something to read at the weekend
No longer funny (if it ever was). Who holds 'spare' copies? So who is responsible for sending AK one? Why does he never get one? Is the DSC honestly saying he is on the list and one is posted every quarter? If so, where are they going?
Sort it out someone FFS before we lose another member/poster
WeeJohnyB
:( You're having a laugh surely
Anyone not want their copy, send a U2U to AK, get his address and send him yours in the post. Do it today and he'll have something to read at the weekend
No longer funny (if it ever was). Who holds 'spare' copies? So who is responsible for sending AK one? Why does he never get one? Is the DSC honestly saying he is on the list and one is posted every quarter? If so, where are they going?
Sort it out someone FFS before we lose another member/poster
WeeJohnyB
Calm down John. I've said I will sort out AK's Pronto issue and I will.
I edit the magazine, but delivery of the entire print run goes to Chris, who then distributes it: he therefore holds all of the spare copies.
I emailed Chris on 21st September to request that a copy of the last three issues be sent to AK by registered post. I sent a further email on 29th September to remind him again.
It sounds as if this is just an "oh yeah, course you were Jools", type of response but I decided last night that I was going to do just as you suggest to shortcut this i.e. ask AK for his address via PM and send him my own copies. I will then get my own copies replaced if they are still available.
So AK, PM me your address, because I don't hold the membership database either.
Calm down Jools, don't take it personally. It's perfectly clear though that there is a reason why AK has not received his copies of Pronto for however long and we don't know what it is. It's pretty ordinary that a life member has to have the chairman post his personal copies just to make sure it gets through!
Not a dig at you Jools, but even you've got to admit this doesn't look good. Especially after Alan has had to ask SO MANY TIMES and in light of everything that has gone on. We keep being asked to forget about the past and move on but it's stuff like this that makes me wonder why I should sweep a whole lot of history under the carpet when clearly, in some quarters, nothing has changed.
Make a PDF of Pronto available via this site, job done.
No need to rely on Il postino Pat or an overactive imagination as to what happens between the printers and the letter box.
Ray.
Calm down Jools, don't take it personally. It's perfectly clear though that there is a reason why AK has not received his copies of Pronto for however long and we don't know what it is. It's pretty ordinary that a life member has to have the chairman post his personal copies just to make sure it gets through!
Not a dig at you Jools, but even you've got to admit this doesn't look good. Especially after Alan has had to ask SO MANY TIMES and in light of everything that has gone on. We keep being asked to forget about the past and move on but it's stuff like this that makes me wonder why I should sweep a whole lot of history under the carpet when clearly, in some quarters, nothing has changed.
I'm perfectly calm TP, saddened, but still calm.
I take my responsibilities as Pronto editor seriously. A few posts ago, I took personal ownership of this issue and promised to get the magazines in question to AK. I will do that as soon as I am able, by whatever means at my disposal.
So that does make it personal, it makes it a personal commitment from me to AK. From that point onward it's a matter that should really be between me and AK to resolve in a mature and adult fashion. It need not really concern the rest of the club so that's why I asked AK to PM me if the issue remained unresolved.
I am a man of my word, I keep my promises.
That is why I find it deeply unhelpful to have people, who are totally unconnected with this problem, jumping in before I've had the chance to respond to AK's latest update telling me to "sort it out FFS".
I'm just doing the best I can OK? Yes, I know, I volunteered to take this ****, but still....
Ok, I'll keep my mouth shut and my opinions to myself if it makes you feel better.
Enjoy your chairmanship.
....unconnected with this problem, jumping in before I've had the chance to respond to AK's latest update telling me to "sort it out FFS".
I'm just doing the best I can OK? Yes, I know, I volunteered to take this ****, but still....
wasnt my comment jools.
just home and 2 pronto issues 42 and 43 are here in an envelope sent 2nd class on monday.
The last one I had sent to me was number 40 so if there is a 41 then that would be helpful
just another query jools but should i have had any paperwork to go with these 3 last prontos? and can you make sure i am on the mailing list for the next ones in the future as am a life member
wasnt my comment jools.
Completely understand that Alan. I'm glad that we're at least part of the way there and that you've received two of the missing copies.
As it happens, issue 41 is one that I do have a few spare copies of, so I will put that in the post to you as soon as I can get your address - as I said, I don't hold the membership details so I can only do this if you PM me your address.
There was an loose leaf insert that went out with the last Pronto and I will make sure that you get a copy of that as well. There were no other inserts in any of the other editions so this will mean you have everything to date.
WeeJohnyB
02-Oct-2009, 14:04
You should know me better to be thinking I was having a go at you Jools. :(
You clearly had been true to your word and asked it to be sent by recorded delivery early last week by the dates on the posts and it was sent second class on Monday. Given the history with AK/CK, one can't help wondering why Alan never get his Pronto.
I thought we were on a 'fight break'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug
As for butting out of stuff, if we did, there would be nobody left for the MT to M
WeeJohnyB
Ok, I'll keep my mouth shut and my opinions to myself if it makes you feel better.
Enjoy your chairmanship.
I think that you are spectacularly missing the point. I'm not telling you to shut your mouth or withold any opinions, I'm simply pointing out some facts.
Firstly, this issue was a straightforward matter of a club member not receiving their issue of Pronto. A regrettable omission, but one that I had already committed to resolving on a one-to-one basis. I offered to do this as part of my role as Pronto editor and it is consistent with the offers I have made to every club member regarding missing magazines since I took on that role.
If you look back you will see that I have made that personal commitment to everybody who does not receive their Pronto - to rectify that as soon as it has become known to me. We send out approximately 400 copies in each posting and typically they reach all but 2 or 3 people each time. When people have posted that they have not received their copy on the forum, or PM'd me to let me know, I have usually been able to get a copy in first class post to them either the same day, or the next day if it's already past the last mail collection by the time I am alerted. I have been able to do this because I get sent my own copy, plus a few spares.
In AK's case, I was not able to do this because I had run out of spare copies. It was taking me a frustratingly long time to do this but I was still working on it, as time permitted.
Like everybody else, I have a busy life and much as I would like to can't always resolve things at a click of my fingers, but, if anybody can point to a single time in all my years membership of this club when I have let them down, dealt with them less than honestly, or operated with some type of hidden agenda I would like to hear it. This has nothing to do with my chairmanship of the club, the commitments I made to members when I took on Pronto pre-date my election to the chair by some considerable margin and the principles of honesty and integrity that I stand by are the ones I've held my whole life
That's why (when it was abundantly clear from the previous posts in the thread that I have taken personal ownership of resolving AK's issue of non-delivery), I take exception to people suddenly jumping all over me demanding that it gets sorted.
I am particularly peeved because to my absolute knowledge AK is a mature adult, quite capable of speaking for himself without anyone taking up cudgels on his behalf. Also, because using using inflammatory phrases like "FFS" when it is clear that I have already personally committed to resolve the issue is very unhelpful and demotivating. I find this particularly hurtful since it was delivered by somebody who I have always respected as a friend; I had hoped that they held me in higher regard than they appear to show in this thread.
My response was to WJB's post, and really had nothing to do with your comments at all.
That's all I'm going to say on this issue now, I hope we can put it behind us and move on
And by the miracles of modern technology, two posts cross in the ether.
Good, so I hope we're all friends again
I'm not going to pick your post apart Jools but you're not the only person who isn't impressed. Taken in the context of exactly how long this has been going on with AK, possibly a year or more, the comments from WJB and I were perfectly valid and didn't need you to take such umbrage at them and turn it into something personal when it wasn't.
If your comments were directed at WJB and not me you shouldn't have quoted my post in them.
injected
08-Nov-2009, 23:11
I am a man of my word, I keep my promises.
Glad to hear it. A few weeks ago there was a thread on here from Jools about the difficulty of selling advertising space in Pronto. I sent him a PM with a simple suggestion and offer, which required a simple answer whether or not the MT wanted me to pursue the idea. I remember that Jools subsequently posted on that thread that he was busy with a project and would answer PM's in due course. To date, several weeks later, still no answer and I can't even find that thread any more.
Way to go with motivating members to help...
Yes, thanks for casting public doubt upon my integrity Injected.
Here is the thread that you were looking for http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/showthread.php?p=609103#post609103, it's not really hard to find, an advance search on all the posts I've made found it very quickly.
In it, I made the reply you refered to on 30th October, so by my reckoning, the 'several weeks' you refer to in your post above was just over a week ago. As I said at the time, despite my best efforts I had virtually no time to devote to club issues and travelled out to Germany the next day. I have been working on a customer's site ever since where access to the internet is heavily restricted. I am still in Germany and working round the clock or so it seems.
If I have not answered your PM with the urgency that you feel is required then I apologise.
By the way, your PM mailbox is full and your PM cannot be responded to
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