1098s Camshafts, rockers required

[Dukeman358]

I was informed by somone that the shims needed checking at 7500 miles, I needed to book it in as the Ohlins fork seals had gone on the RH side, plus it was not running well as I thought due to the Db killers.

Turns out the rockers & camshafts need replacing:mad:

The thing is dealer have been on to Ducati who are not interested, possibly because it has not been serviced correctly or as it is 2 months out of the 24 months warranty.

Dissapointed does not really cover it. Checked with the dealer who confirms it has been serviced in accordance although it appears there is a discrepancy to what is listed in the owners manual and that in the service book. This being the issue between time and mileage and each activity. I had it serviced at 4820 miles at 21 months, this included belts and as far as I was concerned all 24 month activities as per the owners manual including clearances.
Apparantly not all of the activities are completed due to this discrepancy but effectively that means you are running two service intervals..one for mileage and one for time which does not make sense to me and given that is what I do for a living albeit for trucks:confused:

As the mileage is now 8135 it is over the mileage but within what I believe to be reasonable and an industry standard of +- 10% tolerance. This should rule out not being serviced in accordance with manufacturers reccomend intervals.

Action - I will now write to Ducati and seek some form of sympathetic warranty. Any similar events/outcomes or advice gratefully received.

One very sad and curently bikeless Kim:(

[Col996s]

Gutted for you. I thought replacement rockers were a thing in Ducati's history.

Lets hope you get somewhere with your claim.

What is the damage for new rockers and camshaft?

[Dukeman358]

Gutted for you. I thought replacement rockers were a thing in Ducati's history.

Lets hope you get somewhere with your claim.

What is the damage for new rockers and camshaft?

Thanks Col, the cost is around £800 plus labour so I am looking at around£1400.

[John W]

can you not try to go after them on fit for purpose ?

There is no way a cam and rockers should only last this long.

I had a cam and followers replaced on my ST4S after 24k miles. I tried for that, but in the end Ducati UK simply stopped responding to my emails and phone calls. My bike at that time was just out of warranty too, and had been serviced according to the book, by a main dealer (although this time it was an independant).

I really wish you luck with this, as it really is not acceptible how the manufacturers can hang us all out to dry like this.

This is the first 1098 cam problem i've heard of, does anyone know if it is a rare fault, or I've just lead a sheltered life ?

[bradders]

2nd one on here with camshaft problems, wasnt MFish a similar cause??

[Ray]

Mfish had a boat load of problems including bottom end problems, not top end. IIRC.

If you do a search on here under rockers I don't think you will find any threads where a 1098 has rocker problems.

I'd suspect something other than dodgy design/**** materials unless you know of a good few more bike with rocker problems.

There are some 1098 about with more miles on than 8k.


Ray

[bradders]

there are loads with more than 8k on them. Being a Ducati site we'll see more than the average, but 2 months out of warranty and they dont want to know?! They private equity owned now??!! :mad:

[PeteB]

Hmmmnnnnnnn, is the 1098 head different from other 'stretta heads??
because this is the first post I can recall since their introduction and that includes US sites who are often the first to air their problems.

Seems like an unusual fault, how many cams & rockers Kim?

Pete

[Dukeman358]

Hmmmnnnnnnn, is the 1098 head different from other 'stretta heads??
because this is the first post I can recall since their introduction and that includes US sites who are often the first to air their problems.

Seems like an unusual fault, how many cams & rockers Kim?

Pete

Pete, it needs two of each. I've still not heard anything since I emailed DUK on Tuesday and I have just sent a hastener to at least see if they have/can aknowledge the mail.

My bike should be fixed by next week which would actually be good of MR as when I took it down they were snowed under and possibly seeking another salesmen plus the Wksp manager has smashed himself up in Spain otherwise I would not have been even able to bring it down to find the problem and would have probably still used it this weekend.

[Dukeman358]

RESULT Ducati UK have rsponded and agreed to cover this by the warranty. Not 100% sure as they only called later this afternoon and I was so stunned I could not take in all what the guy said to me:D

He was hoping the dealer would have contacted me with the good news but hey ho good news is great from any source.:) I will call MR tomorrow to check the details of what is being covered.

Although it was appearing quite bleak Ducati UK have done what I think was reasonable given the circumstances and of course I am very grateful for their decision.

Perhaps this is the defining moment where I chop my bike in for a 1198s:o What do you think:rolleyes:

[Dementor]

Great news Kim..............I have to say Ducati UK are usually very good in cases like this.

Reckon you need to get an 848 they can take a good thrashing :lol:

[Dukeman358]

Great news Kim..............I have to say Ducati UK are usually very good in cases like this.

Reckon you need to get an 848 they can take a good thrashing :lol:

Yes thanks Roy, stunning you might say....never doubted DUK;)

I know the 848 is up to a thrashing not because what you get up to but good old B.radders:D My wife even suggested giving Paul a call to see if he don't mind giving me a backy:D That would have put the bike to the test not to mention my heart rate:lol:

Point is I don't think my superior 1098 has been thrashed..........never seen the need to put it in top yet;)

[Dukeman358]

Well, I never thought I would still be without a bike:( seems like parts are being handcrafted out of metal imported from Venus using only a toothpick:mad:

What can I say DUK agreed to pay but when:o

[Col996s]

The least they could do is lend you a bike.

[Dementor]

The least they could do is lend you a bike.

They know him :lol:

[andyb]

Buy one of them new R1's, at least they will have a bit of success attatched to them......;)

[Dukeman358]

Buy one of them new R1's, at least they will have a bit of success attatched to them......;)

I guess it's a bit like the stock market in that the success can go up as well as down. I think history tells the real story;) When was it now Yamaha last won World superbikes???:D

[Dukeman358]

Got very excited last Saturday when the call was expected to go and collect my bike....at last:D only been ....what a month:o anyway got the call but it was bad news, bike still running like a dog so no bike for me:(

Got another call on Monday informing me it may be a bent valve??How could this occur then given the bike was running reasonably well the weekend before I took it in the shop. Everytime I stopped at lights etc it stalled but as it was running a little rough since fitting the Db killers and removing them I took it to be Co2 or some such issue. Not the case after MR worked all day Saturday changing bits to eliminate them; they were still no wiser. So engine to be stripped and check for bent valve and I guess any other damage:( Hopefully DUK will include this if it is found to be the problem otherwise Christmas is looking slim this year.

[skidlids]

Surely A leakdown test would reveal a bent valve, after all if its bent it can't be sealing properly
Sorry to hear your still bikeless Kim, its turning into a long running Saga

[Dukeman358]

Surely A leakdown test would reveal a bent valve, after if its bent it can't be sealing properly
Sorry to hear your still bikeless Kim, its turning into a long running Saga

Yes it's a bit worrying to hear they are struggling to identify the root cause of the problem. If they can't sort it very soon I will be unable to ride it until mid Dec so they may have to deliver it back to me.

[Dukeman358]

Could it be true?? The call has come....the bike just needs a road test and should be ok. At last:D Valves disintegrated scoring bore and so after a new ste of valves, piston and cylinder:o plus all the other stuff.

Not sure what the damage to my wallet is but most of the stuff should have been covered by a fairly reluctant DUK;)

Should collect it tomorrow if all goes well. Just in time for my strip down and op this week:( Damn the weekends looked good in October and me bikeless since September.:rolleyes:

[bradders]

hope this op doesnt mean you cant laugh...sharing a car with me, gaz and phil to the NEC aint gonna be easy for you if it does!!!! :lol:

[Dukeman358]

hope this op doesnt mean you cant laugh...sharing a car with me, gaz and phil to the NEC aint gonna be easy for you if it does!!!! :lol:

No worries there m8, can't wait. Still need a helmet.:)

[Dukeman358]

Well finally collected it today and I must say it sounds and runs really well:D A bit dull out and I didn't want to over do it, so I thought I would pop over to Loomies...but it was shut:(

Clutch seems to bite really late making me ride like a learner so need to adjust that but otherwise it's great to have it back:)

I saw the parts and the valve was chipped and you could see the damage to the piston and bore along with the cam and other valves. Let's hope it will last a while longer now.;)

[skidlids]

hope this op doesnt mean you cant laugh...sharing a car with me, gaz and phil to the NEC aint gonna be easy for you if it does!!!! :lol:


I remember sharing a car with you, Pshyclist and Craig, now that was an experience.

Good to hear you have the bike back Kim

[Dukeman358]

After writing a full rreport the bloody computer crashed so short version is bike has been b**gerd for another 2 months but the call has finally arrived and I collect the bike again on Friday.

Now the real test begins with less than 300 miles since November and 2 new rear tyres I need to know it is reliable enough for the events of 2010, I've already missed one booked and paid for trackday at Silverstone so I don't want to lose any more riding days.

Thanks to MR and DUK.

Let the good times roll:D

[Dukeman358]

The saga continues:( Rode it out of MR last Friday and did a steady lap down to Goodwood and back...no problems:) bike felt good.
Early ride on Saturday morning again no issues. Stopped for a cuppa with around 250 miles completed and not over revving and suddenly thought I could hear a new noise from below:confused: Not sure what it was, if it was my imagination or not. Stopped and checked it out, no oil or any seapages, could not hear any gas escaping from th exhaust so continued but I could hear and feel the backfiring on the overun...bugga:(

Thought I would just have a quick ride down to Loomies last night but it was clearly poorly so parked it. Dropped it off this morning at MR's so now have to wait and see what the diagnosis is this time. Time is running out now as the 'ring' beckons at the end of May and I won't be too pleased if that is affected.

[bradders]

trade it in now - sure wilf will do you a deal ;)