2011 Novice Championship

[numbskull]

So here it is.

The 2011 Ducati Desmo Due Novice Championship is being sponsored by compucharge.

Not that anyone really cares, as long as there are trophies, right!

Eligibility has been determined as anyone not completing more than 2 previous rounds of DD racing.

The points scoring is different to the main championship, which should make for a more even spread.

Anyone who thinks they should be included, but aren't, should pm me to let me know.

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[bradders]

Who is eligible? not many - most have raced previously - reckon the Dentist would wrap that one up ;)

Who is in charge of organising it? ?????

Who is sponsoring it? ?????

Answers please ????

[numbskull]

Does Hugh not count as a novice?

[badgerpilot]

You're elegible if you haven't raced before this year, I had 4 meets in 2009 and didn't qualify for it in 2010.

Dom Clegg used to sort it and Andy Shep sponsored it last year, not sure about this year though.

[bradders]

Does Hugh not count as a novice?

dont know he may, but I think he has raced before this season, and didnt he do DD last year or year before for a round or two?

and like Scott I couldn't enter last year as I did 3 rounds in 2008

[Jolley]

Hugh is just as eligible as I was last year, and questionably more eligible that Matt Larrett the year before. I had only done one race at Donnington in 2009. I think Hugh was only at Oulton in 2008... but will obviously have to apply to the RC to confirm they will allow it. I don't see why being fast should exclude him ;)

[bradders]

Hugh is just as eligible as I was last year, and questionably more eligible that Matt Larrett the year before. I had only done one race at Donnington in 2009. I think Hugh was only at Oulton in 2008... but will obviously have to apply to the RC to confirm they will allow it. I don't see why being fast should exclude him ;)


its the race before that would be the blocker, not he's fast ;)

anyway....is iot going on this year? The peolpe who organised before are not connected to DD that much now, or DSC, altho I have seen Andy at rounds already.

but in a principle way, does it have to be for anything other than 'best rookie' tag? Maybe Kev could set a new table up with those eligible.

and from what you said Ron I'm surprised you were if you did a race before last season

[badgerpilot]

Think the rules say you can't enter if you've held an ACU licence before the year you're racing in.

[bradders]

Think the rules say you can't enter if you've held an ACU licence before the year you're racing in.

so that would have ruled Ron out then :puzzled:

And really surprised Matt Larrett was then - he's raced for a few years double :puzzled:

[Simps]

For what it matters Ron is right in that I have only ever raced once in any series and that was for one round in 2008 at Oulton Park.

Back then I was a proper novice though! Only had my bike licence for a couple of months and only saw a track for the first time the week before the race :eek: Managed a very respectable 13th and a 10th, though in a rather upright position! :lol:

Other than that I have only ever done track days at Brands in 2008 before selling the bike to Ron. I've no idea if that makes me eligible or not but I was hoping there might be some benefit to me wearing the orange novice bib!

If the rules are that you should never have raced ever before then my 2008 outing would rule me out.
Hugh

[Simps]

... wont be able to keep me out of the main championship though :burn:

[Jolley]

It is a common sense ruling on who is a rookie. I had completed one race of one round at the start of th previous year. It was agreed that didn't make me any less a rookie. Not sure on the ruling for Mr Larrett, but I'm sure he was (2nd) in the novice championship in 2009. I think only one previous round means someone can reasonably still be classed as a novice. Any more than one round is questionable. Previous whole seasons I would suggest should rule someone out.

[Jolley]

... wont be able to keep me out of the main championship though :burn:
Novices aren't eligible!... That should be a new rule! ;)

[bradders]

if I thought I could nhave been allowed in (think I was told I wouldn't) I'd have tried a bit harder last year ;)


:lol:

and agree with Ron - no novice vest should be allowed in the proper championship! :lol: :lol:

[numbskull]

I was kind of hoping that this thread would be replied to by the MT so that the novice championship results could be sorted out.

I have a sneaking suspicion that there is no novice championship this year.

Which is a shame, as I had offered to sponsor it.

[bradders]

Which is a shame, as I had offered to sponsor it.

then set it up neal :D I think thats how it came around originally, Shep sponsored it and Dom as RC administered it----speak to Skids

If its your deal, you can set the rules ;)

[numbskull]

Then consider it running.

I'll speak to Kev... again!

[FoxCorp]

I think only one previous round means someone can reasonably still be classed as a novice. Any more than one round is questionable.

I guess that rules me out for this year then!

[bradders]

I guess that rules me out for this year then!

depends what rules Neals sets ;) :lol:

common sense (to me) would be if you will still have a orange vest at the end of the season if you complete all rounds.

[FoxCorp]

With the ACU changing the rules on orange vests this year I'm going to have mine for quite a while!

[numbskull]

I think we need a list of those who MAY be eligible, for me to check with Kev.

[Jolley]

Which is a shame, as I had offered to sponsor it.
Well done that man. Let me know if you need any help.

common sense (to me) would be if you will still have a orange vest at the end of the season if you complete all rounds.
My brain can't work out quite what you mean this early after so much time off work.

With the ACU changing the rules on orange vests this year I'm going to have mine for quite a while!
What are the rules now? I cunningly managed to get rid of my Orange vest and upgrade to a National licence all in one season... Be careful how you use your results ;)

[Jolley]

I think we need a list of those who MAY be eligible, for me to check with Kev.
Some names from the results table I don't recognise/people i think are novices:
Hugh
Graham
Jim charters
Peter redgewell
Peter Cooper
Dean pollard
Gary wootton

[killerBunny]

Well I am definitely a novice but might be a professional moto crosser if the season continues at Anglesey as it started at Brands for me :D

[ells]

I do think that you should be allowed to enter a novice championship if you have raced in DD for one round maximum before the start of the eligible season.

There seem to be a few novices that get out and have a go for one or two races then start the season. Ther are allsorts of possibilities.

Just reading up on the vest shedding as I am quite close.

MArk

[numbskull]

Some names from the results table I don't recognise/people i think are novices:
Hugh
Graham
Jim charters
Peter Cooper
Dean pollard
Gary wootton


Peter redgewell is not a novice. you need to get around the paddock more Ron!!

[bradders]

Phil the Drill (can never spell his surname!!)

what I mean is...there are 8 rounds, so if you do them all you should only get 8 signatures which means you would have a vest at the end of the year...unless you race over two days; not sure how the rules apply now to this, used to be a race event rather than each race day

or...

anyone with a novice vest who has not competed in DD for more than one round as suggested above - simple

[Cranker V2]

I;m on a novice vest.....still:(

[Jolley]

Phil the Drill (can never spell his surname!!)

what I mean is...there are 8 rounds, so if you do them all you should only get 8 signatures which means you would have a vest at the end of the year...unless you race over two days; not sure how the rules apply now to this, used to be a race event rather than each race day

or...

anyone with a novice vest who has not competed in DD for more than one round as suggested above - simple
There were only 7 last year and I managed to loose my vest AND upgrade to National Licence. So unless the rules have significantly changed it is possible for a complete Novice to do that this year (The rule used to be 10 Separate days (not events), on 3 different tracks, finishing in the top 50% with at least (6 or 10?) finishers).... and that is for the National licence upgrade, so I would expect just loosing the Orange vest to be less than that?

[bradders]

There were only 7 last year and I managed to loose my vest AND upgrade to National Licence. So unless the rules have significantly changed it is possible for a complete Novice to do that this year (The rule used to be 10 Separate days (not events), on 3 different tracks, finishing in the top 50% with at least (6 or 10?) finishers).... and that is for the National licence upgrade, so I would expect just loosing the Orange vest to be less than that?

used to be 3 race events, and a Sat/Sun race would be classed as 1. I think this was chnaged last year tho, as I used 3 from 2008, plus 7 days from last year and got rid of vest at Cadwell on the Sat.

saying that, mine is a clubman as I havent finished that much in top 50% ;)

[Bionicle]

I have the shredded remains of a bib, infact i have two shredded remains :) my sig card got put in washing machine (dont ask) so i was planning on printing out my results and sending them off to newera and asking if they can sign off on them.

[Jolley]

I have the shredded remains of a bib, infact i have two shredded remains :) my sig card got put in washing machine (dont ask) so i was planning on printing out my results and sending them off to newera and asking if they can sign off on them.
I lost/forgot my signatures, so printed off the results, highlighted my name (with a note at the bottom of what position I was in with how many finishers), and sent them straight to the ACU with a covering letter explaining the situation and could they upgrade my licence. New licence arrived a few weeks later.

[bradders]

used to be 3 race events, and a Sat/Sun race would be classed as 1. I think this was chnaged last year tho, as I used 3 from 2008, plus 7 days from last year and got rid of vest at Cadwell on the Sat.

saying that, mine is a clubman as I havent finished that much in top 50% ;)

I meant 10 race events!! DOH

[bradders]

I didnt bother; had 8 signtaures, did 2 more days so 10 done and just applied for the new licence as a clubman. If I attain the giddy heights of a Nationla then I guess I'll need to get the singatures to send to ACU

[Bionicle]

I didnt bother; had 8 signtaures, did 2 more days so 10 done and just applied for the new licence as a clubman. If I attain the giddy heights of a Nationla then I guess I'll need to get the singatures to send to ACU

On the back of your license paul does it say roadrace clubman A or different, i just rang ACU they said just print race results and send in to them.

[Jolley]

I meant 10 race events!! DOH
Not sure if it was ever 10 events, but it was definitely 10 different days last year (so you could gain 2 signatures from the 2 day meetings).

I didnt bother; had 8 signtaures, did 2 more days so 10 done and just applied for the new licence as a clubman. If I attain the giddy heights of a Nationla then I guess I'll need to get the singatures to send to ACU
I kinda missed out the Novice to Clubman step, using the 10 signatures instead to go straight from Novice to National. I did use my single result from my first race in 2009 (8th at Donnington), but then I didnt start/finish any of the Championship races at Mallory or Pembrey last year, so it is definitely possible in a year. Anyway, point being that I dont think a novice will definitely still have an Orange vest at the end of his first year (I doubt myself, Neal or Alan did last year and I doubt either of the Matts did the previous year). I think it comes down to a common sense approach. Personally, I would say any more that one round in the previous year excludes you, as should any previous racing (even if it was years ago). I think it would be harsh to exclude someone who has had a "taster" round in a previous year.... but 2 or 3 rounds gets you over that novice hurdle.

If you carry on the way you have been you will have a National Licence by the end of the year easily.

[FoxCorp]

They've got rid of the upgrade signatures now so you need 10 days racing at 3 different circuits even if you win every race it doesn't make a difference. Looking at the rules now anyone who still has an orange vest is going to have theirs until they get the national licence as the requirements are the same...

[numbskull]

So, I figure it is only fair that the requirements for eligibility and the rewards for winning are established before the next round at Angelsey.

As the sponsor, the rules are mine to decide as are the rewards!

But being a fair person I guess I should listen to everyones opinions. Even if there are some 'Randoms'.

All ideas will be considered!!

(What have I let myself in for???)

[bradders]

They've got rid of the upgrade signatures now so you need 10 days racing at 3 different circuits even if you win every race it doesn't make a difference. Looking at the rules now anyone who still has an orange vest is going to have theirs until they get the national licence as the requirements are the same...

dont think so, think the vest drops still after 10 completed race days then yiou are a clubman racer rather than clubman novice - thats how I read it. The national thing has changed a little too

[Jolley]

Just save your time and signatures and apply directly for National. Effectively I went from a Novice Bib wearer to National Licence holder in one easy step.

Simple Rules for Novice Championship (in my opinion):

- Orange Bib wearer
- No more than 1 previous Round experience racing (in any series at any time).

This isn't just because I am mates with Hugh (and did it myself), but a lot of people like to try to get to one round at the end of the year before they compete just to get a feel of things. I don't think that necessarily rules them out as being "experienced"..... and it would be harsh if they were excluded from scoring points in a championship set specifically to encourage new people. Beyond one round though and I think they lose their newbie status.

[Jolley]

For Clarification on the 2011 Rules, it is as simple as (others have said):

Loss of Orange Vest:
Clubman competitors are required to wear an Orange Vest obtainable from the ACU Licence Department until they have 10 signatures on their record card from 3 diff erent circuits. To obtain a signature competitors must appear in the offi cial race results as a fi nisher of a race in accordance with Article 12.3.3. Th e competitors record card must be countersigned by the
Secretary of the Meeting. Only one signature per day of competition is permitted.

Clubman to National:
Clubman competitors, including sidecar passengers, may apply to be upgraded to a National Licence aft er having competed at, and obtained signatures for, a minimum of 10 separate Race Days at 3 diff erent circuits during the current year and preceding 2 years. Th e competitor record card together with copies of the offi cial result sheets pertaining to the
signatures on the record card should be submitted to the ACU Road Race Department. Only one signature per day of competition is permitted.

National to International:
National licences holders who have held their National Licence for 12 months
and who have competed at a minimum of 6 meetings in the previous 12 months may apply for an FIM Non-Championship International licence. Th e Competitor record card and/or copies of result sheets should be submitted to the ACU Road Race Department. A satisfactory medical examination is required before an FIM Non-Championship International licence can be issued (Eye Sight and Medical Report sections of the ACU Competition Licence Application Form).

....so in theory, if I compete in 6 meetings this year I could apply for an International licence at the end of the year?!!!

[Gbyte666]

....so in theory, if I compete in 6 meetings this year I could apply for an International licence at the end of the year?!!!

Then you would not be able to race in DD I belive. lol go for it

Craig

[Shaggyboy]

I have just bought a 600SS to convert to a racer and hope to do 2 or 3 races this year, just to get a feel for it as I have never raced before. Does this mean I would not be eligible for any championship next year?

[Cranker V2]

No, you would still be eligible for the the class B championship. Thats the one to go for really...........:)

[Jolley]

Then you would not be able to race in DD I belive. lol go for it
No restriction on licence ;)

I have just bought a 600SS to convert to a racer and hope to do 2 or 3 races this year, just to get a feel for it as I have never raced before. Does this mean I would not be eligible for any championship next year?
If you join past the halfway point of a season you are not eligible that year for any championship, and it will probably exclude you from the novice cup the following year. It will not stop you from being able to enter the main A or B championships in the following year though.

[Jolley]

Neal. Just one thought on the Novice championship. I think the points scoring should be different to the main championship. It always seemed daft to me that just by finishing most races you score 12+points. It might be worth restructuring to 10, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 or something similar? Just a thought.

[numbskull]

Neal. Just one thought on the Novice championship. I think the points scoring should be different to the main championship. It always seemed daft to me that just by finishing most races you score 12+points. It might be worth restructuring to 10, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 or something similar? Just a thought.

Just when I thought I had it sorted and ready to post on here!!

[Jolley]

Just when I thought I had it sorted and ready to post on here!!
You know it makes sense!

[numbskull]

Almost ready to post up the results so far.

I'm just awaiting authorisation (opinion)from the relevant regulatory authority(Kev).

[numbskull]

Check the first post.

I've finally managed to sort out the results table.

[badgerpilot]

A couple more entrants and there'll be a battle for 9th place in the races! :eek:

[Jolley]

That is what it is all about... keep the interest up throughout the field.

Top Job Neal. Let me know if you need any help with it.

[bradders]

go Phil!! another 2 rounds when the money is mine I'll start helping him ;) :lol:

[Simps]

I was actually going to opt out as I thought it was based on championship points and that I would be a bit hard to catch. However, after looking at the board I am now chowing down on a particularly tasty slice of humble pie!
Due to my overdeveloped competition node in my brain there is absolutely no chance that I will opt out now Im in 2nd!:devil:

It is a shame that a lot of this years novices have not been able to make it to many rounds. Perhaps it would be better that for the novice championship the winner is based on 4 dropped races rather than 2?

Looking at the board there is already quite a gap so if it was based on 4 dropped then everyone that has scored so far would only be seperated by 4 points, which is a relatively level starting point and this might encorage others to be at more rounds? (Sorry I am saying "them", there are lots of folk I havent properly met in the paddock yet).

[Simps]

A couple more entrants and there'll be a battle for 9th place in the races! :eek:

:lol: looks like it is lucky number 9th!

[bradders]

I was actually going to opt out as I thought it was based on championship points and that I would be a bit hard to catch. However, after looking at the board I am now chowing down on a particularly tasty slice of humble pie!
Due to my overdeveloped competition node in my brain there is absolutely no chance that I will opt out now Im in 2nd!:devil:

It is a shame that a lot of this years novices have not been able to make it to many rounds. Perhaps it would be better that for the novice championship the winner is based on 4 dropped races rather than 2?

Looking at the board there is already quite a gap so if it was based on 4 dropped then everyone that has scored so far would only be seperated by 4 points, which is a relatively level starting point and this might encorage others to be at more rounds? (Sorry I am saying "them", there are lots of folk I havent properly met in the paddock yet).

Leave it as is - reward where reward is due ;)

Go The Dentist!!!!!! :biaggi: :burn:

[ells]

its a little closer with this points system.

M

[Simps]

Leave it as is - reward where reward is due ;)

Go The Dentist!!!!!! :biaggi: :burn:

You might be right, think I might have to stay for the Sunday races and see if I cant part you from the big cup. :p

Also Phil will be 2 points off me rather than 4 with 2 dropped. So if anything it should be something you would approve, no?

The table has only just been started really so wouldnt it be better to get as many peeps level as possible? It is clearly only a disadvantage to me... I am trying to get everyone on the board interested.

[antonye]

I have "stickied" this thread so it stays at the top.

[bradders]

You might be right, think I might have to stay for the Sunday races and see if I cant part you from the big cup. :p .

some competition would be nice :p

:lol:

mind you those long straights at Snett will be interesting, I'll have to get down the wind tunnel next week!! you'll be needing those bling brakes of yours to get past me if I manage to keep everything together ;) coz I wont be braking!!!

Is it worth a new thread just with the table and approriate title that only Neal/WT can amend?

[Simps]

some competition would be nice :p

:lol:

mind you those long straights at Snett will be interesting, I'll have to get down the wind tunnel next week!! you'll be needing those bling brakes of yours to get past me if I manage to keep everything together ;) coz I wont be braking!!!

Is it worth a new thread just with the table and approriate title that only Neal/WT can amend?

Bling brake.....singlular! Judging from the result of my out-breaking move at Anglesey perhaps I would be better sticking with going round the outside on the fast corners, which is where 99% of my passes have been this season.

Oh, and you have to overtake me more than once and actually make it stick for me to consider you competition :frog:

Now theres fighting talk! Roll on Snet

[antonye]

Is it worth a new thread just with the table and approriate title that only Neal/WT can amend?

Happy with that if Neal wants to create a new post with the points tables in it and some info/rules about the championship - I'll sticky that one instead.

[bradders]

Bling brake.....singlular! Judging from the result of my out-breaking move at Anglesey perhaps I would be better sticking with going round the outside on the fast corners, which is where 99% of my passes have been this season.

Oh, and you have to overtake me more than once and actually make it stick for me to consider you competition :frog:

Now theres fighting talk! Roll on Snet

you did me on the straights....Qually is where its at big man....and we'll all be following Ron!! :lol:

[Simps]

you did me on the straights....Qually is where its at big man....and we'll all be following Ron!! :lol:

Usually do my own thing in Qually, but you are welcome to follow me when I come by mate ;)

[bradders]

Usually do my own thing in Qually, but you are welcome to follow me when I come by mate ;)


I'll do just that ;)

you there Fri or what?!

[Simps]

:saint: I'll do just that ;)

you there Fri or what?!

I have booked to go but then I also booked and paid for Brands, Mallory and Anglesey and of those I only made 1 sesson of the Brands practice, so no guarantees! :confused:

However, from the forum banter it seems like there are some peeps who are going to be trying very hard, so probably best I know my way round so I can get off the racing line when they lap me! :saint:

It looks like quite a fast track so hope that no one pushes too hard and runs of of talent (yes, like I did) cause its gonna hurt.

[Jolley]

...Qually is where its at big man....and we'll all be following Ron!! :lol:
Should I get "Follow me" put on the back of my leathers?!

[Sorted]

No a Bunji (or is that bungee) dangling from the seat unit will do Ron :)

[bradders]

Should I get "Follow me" put on the back of my leathers?!

Maybe 'catch me' would be more appropriate ;)

[Jolley]

"Stay There" ?!!

[numbskull]

First post updated for Pembrey

[numbskull]

First post now up to date with Castle Combe

[numbskull]

Congratulations to this years Novice Championship winner Phil Daravulla.

Looks like it was the year of the Phil's in B class!!

[PHIL-THE-DRILL]

Well, I've always wanted to have a go at bike racing and was lucky enough to get the chance this year.It was into the unknown at the beginning of the year, everyone has been so kind and helpful especially when you don't know the ropes. Definitely a steep learning curve from normal riding, I think there is no better place to start, as someone is always willing to find the solution to any problems you have, it is a close knit DD family.
Really well organized at all the different tracks by the race committee and Trudi keeping us all in order. It has been a really great season for sure and the icing on the cake was winning the Novice Championship - thanks to Neil for organising it , can't wait till next season.
I'd really like to thank my wife Liz for being so patient and supportive also Bradders for his words of wisdom and sharing with us.
More fun with my fellow competitors next year :D

Phil

[Dementor]

Congratulations Phil, and well done to Liz for keeping up with the wine consumption :lol:

Pic by Craig

[skidlids]

Well done Phil, fast on the road and getting faster on the track, still more to come so I'll be expecting to see more from you in 2012, Bradders has shown you what is possible

[skidlids]

Looks like there will be a few more Novices this season (2012)