View Full Version : Look I've changed my mind about wets see picture attached
Ok i lied and yes I am using them here....
http://www.rivingtonbarn.com/files/pdmcc1_125.jpg
and here
http://www.rivingtonbarn.com/files/pdmcc2_607.jpg
antonye
19-Jul-2011, 23:57
Here's one of me not using wets round Druids at Brands to compare...
dunlop0_1
20-Jul-2011, 06:34
Ok i lied and yes I am using them here....
http://www.rivingtonbarn.com/files/pdmcc1_125.jpg
and here
http://www.rivingtonbarn.com/files/pdmcc2_607.jpg
Hey Paul wets debate aside. When I spoke to you at the 3 sisters you said you intend to do the Oulton DD round? If so you really need to be trying the Dunlop's in the wet, sooner rather than later. Racing on road tyres in the wet is how can I say, different.
Hope you make Oulton mate.
Neil #70
Hope you make Oulton mate.
Paul,
hope you do make Oulton, you will have a nice even playing field in amongst the other DD bikes. As Oulton is the last race for us it should be a good weekend.
Mark
Bionicle
20-Jul-2011, 07:42
I do love to see my company getting free advertising :)
Hey Paul wets debate aside. When I spoke to you at the 3 sisters you said you intend to do the Oulton DD round? If so you really need to be trying the Dunlop's in the wet, sooner rather than later. Racing on road tyres in the wet is how can I say, different.
Hope you make Oulton mate.
Neil #70
Neil, I would love to do Oulton but when I asked I was told the grid is full this year.
dunlop0_1
20-Jul-2011, 09:10
Neil, I would love to do Oulton but when I asked I was told the grid is full this year.
Paul it can't be cos nobody has entered yet. Just download the form from newera and send it in. Job done.
Does not matter if you send it early as they do not take the money out until the race week.
numbskull
20-Jul-2011, 10:14
I hope the grid isn't full yet because I haven't entered!!
Nor me but I was going to do it early to get a garage but lts only one day and it will be sunny
Paul it can't be cos nobody has entered yet. Just download the form from newera and send it in. Job done.
Does not matter if you send it early as they do not take the money out until the race week.
What I was told was DD has 40 or so racers signed up this season and basically there was no room for anymore.
dunlop0_1
20-Jul-2011, 12:40
What I was told was DD has 40 or so racers signed up this season and basically there was no room for anymore.
Rubbish. 99% of us enter one race at a time and not everyone will do Oulton. Eg I have just sent Cadwell off never mind Castle Combe or Oulton.
I presume you have registered with DD for a race number? and you can join Newera for the day.
Well, my cheque has been cashed for Oulton. I was a bit ahead as I wanted to secure a garage. After Snetterton garage fiasco I decided I would try to be up front of que.
Paul,
not all registered riders will turn up. We had a lot less at Pembrey than 40. If you are a member of DSC and registered for the series then its a case of first come first served unless I am wrong.
All there for the taking .......
Mark
Thanks for the heads up. So I need to do the following then:
1. Become a DSC member and ask for a number (hopefully 196)
2. Send off my entry form to new era plus day membership
3. Buy some Dunlop qualifiers after PDMCC Rd 5 and scrub them during Oultons Friday practice.
Happy days
Hopefully I will see you there.
Paul #196
As you can't score points you maybe able to enter as a guest rider. Need to confirm with Skids
848spence
20-Jul-2011, 19:56
As you can't score points you maybe able to enter as a guest rider. Need to confirm with Skids
This is what im hoping to do for cadwell but have had no reply from skids. i have all forms ready to go to new era. :D
Cranker V2
20-Jul-2011, 23:49
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:
Read the rules Mike. I'm only the messenger.
chris.p
21-Jul-2011, 06:20
I'm only the messenger.
Shoot the messenger, he is a speeding criminal after all ;)
Chris:burn:
Shoot the messenger, he is a speeding criminal after all ;)
Chris:burn:
:lol: PMSL Chris. :mad:
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:
Thanks but do you get points for last place?
Rules exclude anyone who joins in the last half of season from scoring points.
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!
bradders
21-Jul-2011, 13:00
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!
not really, its about commitmnet at the beginning to ensure the grids are full enough. You just have to join, rather than have raced I think
imagine what would happen if a really quick rider, like head and shoulders above, on a great bike joined now and won every race from now until the end of the year. It would affect the title for those who are now competing and not really compatible with the whole DD thing imo. But they can still race and get the bug and also a trophy or two (???) just not the points
If you're not quick enough to win... then you're not quick enough?? So you no longer deserve the points. Would be just strange coming in 2nd but getting points fir 1st?
Also as the year draws to a close it is quite obvious that if anything the numbers are falling so why discourage new comers?
If a newcomer is good enough to accrue enough points to actually do alright in the championship at this late date then I say good on 'em!
Bionicle
21-Jul-2011, 15:56
If you're not quick enough to win... then you're not quick enough?? So you no longer deserve the points. Would be just strange coming in 2nd but getting points fir 1st?
Also as the year draws to a close it is quite obvious that if anything the numbers are falling so why discourage new comers?
If a newcomer is good enough to accrue enough points to actually do alright in the championship at this late date then I say good on 'em!
I dont think it discourages newcomers who are testing the water for maybe entering the series next year, but guys have been batteling against each other all season for points it would be unfair for them to loose points if a new comer won a few races, as it could loose them the championship, and anyway what good would points be to a new comer so late in the season with only 3 meetings to go.
Ok ok.... I get where you are coming from but I dont think I am as worried about the possibility of losing future points.
As I said I wouldnt want points I didnt earn and it wouldnt make any different in terms of the championship if, for example I lost to the "new guy" but beat the others in the championship. After all everyone would be a bit further down the points.
Anyway... as and when the next new "Foggy" joins I will try and give him a run for his money. Be good to see another orange bib upfront!
bradders
21-Jul-2011, 18:46
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm
mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D
numbskull
21-Jul-2011, 19:10
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm
mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D
I don't need that to happen to know how slow I am thanks!!!
dunlop0_1
21-Jul-2011, 20:32
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm
mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D
To be honest I think a top rate (ex) racer would fail in DD.
DD is so bare bones I think a pro would bin it due to lack of basic racing skills/support.
Ain't Carl Fogarty the honorary something or other of the DSC, lets get him on a bike at Oulton. :D
chris.p
21-Jul-2011, 20:42
Ok ok.... I get where you are coming from but I dont think I am as worried about the possibility of losing future points.
As I said I wouldnt want points I didnt earn and it wouldnt make any different in terms of the championship if, for example I lost to the "new guy" but beat the others in the championship. After all everyone would be a bit further down the points.
Anyway... as and when the next new "Foggy" joins I will try and give him a run for his money. Be good to see another orange bib upfront!
Hugh, I do believe the rule was added to stop riders influencing the out come of a championship by getting some one to come in and spoil another (close competitor in the championship) riders chance of scoring points against them.
I forget the term used for such a rider but I am sure someone will put me right.
Chris:burn:
skidlids
21-Jul-2011, 21:07
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!
Not really as it stops people brining in a ringer for the last stages of the championship. I've seen it done elsewhere.
And what harm does the rule do to those that have been racing in the series for the whole season
As for a couple of Non Championship riders wanting to enter rounds such as Cadwell and Oulton where there is space on the grid, I can't see a problem with that providing they are DSC members and pay a day fee to join New Era and a nominal DD registration fee with completed registration form (may want to check them out with the ACU regards previous experience)
And although the riders will be non point scoring they can still pick-up trophies
bradders
21-Jul-2011, 21:11
To be honest I think a top rate (ex) racer would fail in DD.
DD is so bare bones I think a pro would bin it due to lack of basic racing skills/support.
Ain't Carl Fogarty the honorary something or other of the DSC, lets get him on a bike at Oulton. :D
like Cobby you mean...who seemed able to win at will pre-adjustable 620 days
or Jeremy McWilliams on those Hardely things....;)
Hugh, I do believe the rule was added to stop riders influencing the out come of a championship by getting some one to come in and spoil another (close competitor in the championship) riders chance of scoring points against them.
Not really as it stops people brining in a ringer for the last stages of the championship. I've seen it done elsewhere.
All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!
bradders
21-Jul-2011, 22:44
All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!
:lol:
its a national title yer see...well the races are all over England and Wales ;)
edited to add, some think it more important to win than others. Why do people have illegal engines - light flywheels, engine work done beyond the rules, etc etc. Does it make their performance, win or not, any better or worse for them? Must be not or they wouldn't choose to actively cheat or turn a blind eye to their engine builder doing it. It will happen; it will always happen; that's life :)
skidlids
21-Jul-2011, 22:52
All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!
Hugh this rule goes back along way almost to the start of DD and hasn't been the cause of any issues, as they say if its not broke don't fix it.
And it was in place when Glyn who owns the Scooter shop in Grimsby put up a New Scooter as 1st prize for the winner of the Class B Championship. Back then Glyn who started racing with NG at the same time as me joined us in Class B even holding the Cadwell lap record at one point but has now moved on to bigger things as partner in the ANR TSS national Superstocks teams.
Hugh this rule goes back along way almost to the start of DD and hasn't been the cause of any issues, as they say if its not broke don't fix it.
Im not looking to start a petition to change it:lol: I just thought it sounded a bit 'Dorna' for our friendly series, mine was an off the cuff remark, nothing more.
I must admit that I love the ideas of 'ringers' coming in and people trying to pass off their DESMO-sedici engines as DESMO-dues.
For those that keep saying they would like to see a decent rider on a DD bike, this was taken from the Track Sense website where he is listed as an instructor. I think you will agree that paints a picture of a guy that is not exactly a muppet on a motorcycle, having also won the ICGP European Championship in 2010. Anyone that can get close to his records is doing well, regardless of tyres, and none of us are axactly "slow" to win a race even if we are no GP riding Gods (IMO).......
Ian Cobby was born in 1966 and began racing on a Yamaha 350LC. It was clear from the start that Ian
had a natural talent for racing, and it was this – and in particular his ability to ride virtually any type of machine at the highest level (see photo below!) – that allowed Ian to quickly build up a large collection of National Championship trophies.
During his 16 year racing career, Ian successfully competed on a host of different machines at National and International level, winning several National Championships along the way. He also rode for the Crescent Suzuki team in the British Superbike Championship, and competed in the World Endurance Championship as well.
Ian was British Superbike Champion in 1994, as well asbeing twice British Supersport 600 Champion, British Supersport 400 Champion, and British Superstock Champion. Ian was also a very successful Isle of Man TT rider, with a total 3 victories to his name in the 600cc and Superbike classes. Injury forced Ian to retire in 2001, but he now works exclusively for Track Sense as an instructor, and has recently made a successful return to racing, winning the ICGP European Championship in 2010.
Since retiring, Ian has worked as a motorcycle journalist and test rider, and exclusively in Spain for us as an instructor – although he did briefly return to racing in 2008, winning the Desmodue Championship in that year.
I don't think the rule makes a lot of difference as we stand in Class B this year, but if someone had a bad start and needed a lot of wins to catch the lead of the championship I could see why they might be miffed if they were having points "stolen" from them. Yet I also agree with Hugh in that if you are not quick enough to beat everyone in the championship at least once then you probably don't deserve to be champion (and what I mean by that is that we have all beaten echother, so we are all deserving. If someone comes that nobody can beat, maybe they deserve it more).
bradders
22-Jul-2011, 10:24
For those that keep saying they would like to see a decent rider on a DD bike, this was taken from the Track Sense website where he is listed as an instructor etc etc .
I refer my learned colleague to the above post re cobby ;)
What I was never sure of with Ian was if he was as flat out as us mortal are now. He had some close races with Mike, saw some first hand, but always seemed so in control by comparison to most who are on the edge and seemed to have a little in the tank when needed. It may be thats what makes him such a good rider, but 2 Cobbys racing pushing each other woukld be something I'd happily get lapped for!
but how much faster can they go?? Especially B class where set up isnt as changeable, and if the bike is as good as it gets, there are some very fast bikes out there, it can only be tenths better, cant it?!
roll on Cadwell :)
.....and wasn't that an old Class A Cobby record taken at the weekend?
skidlids
22-Jul-2011, 11:57
Especially B class where set up isnt as changeable, and if the bike is as good as it gets, there are some very fast bikes out there, it can only be tenths better, cant it?!
Oulton 2007
antonye
22-Jul-2011, 12:27
As I see it, the rule isn't about points anyway; it's about getting people to commit to the whole series because we would rather have full grids all year round than just in the sunny months.
Does this rule stop people from joining DD half way through? It's difficult to accurately tell the impact because we would never know, but it's certainly not stopped people from joining the latter races of the season and going on to continue from the start of the next season, so it certainly doesn't stop everyone from joining.
Maybe it's a rule that is being over analysed?
Anyone that is really serious about the championship will race from start to end. Generally I would expect a few people to dip their toe into the serioes at the end of the season, and they are probably not interested in the points.
If there is a good reason to stop giving points to new people at the end of the series I dont see the downside, I just accept a more experienced point of view. I dont doubt that people having come up with all sorts of cunning plans to get extra points and win!
Mark
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