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bradders
05-Sep-2011, 20:42
just looking thru some old results, not sure why but Sam knocked in a few 1'48s yet not recognised? Not race day? Surely then it would replace the Matt Traynor one?

Some interesting times BTW
Jolley
10-Sep-2011, 11:07
What track/date are you talking about? I assume Cadwell because you are normally talking about Cadwell and the time seems to fit.

I would guess only Qualifying/Race lap times count because they are controlled under DD rules, have parc ferme etc.... There is nothing to stop me whacking slicks on the bike on a practice day because no-one is checking.
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 20:32
What track/date are you talking about? I assume Cadwell because you are normally talking about Cadwell and the time seems to fit.

I would guess only Qualifying/Race lap times count because they are controlled under DD rules, have parc ferme etc.... There is nothing to stop me whacking slicks on the bike on a practice day because no-one is checking.

ha sorry yeah Cadwell, clearly I'm that predictable ;)

its a Sat race so not points race so doesn't count, but faster than Matt's which is somehow (dont know why - none others are) credited with the fastest lap around Cadwell on a B bike which is clearly wrong. 2009?? Maybe 2008 - when was Sam champion?
Gbyte666
10-Sep-2011, 20:59
2009
skidlids
10-Sep-2011, 21:24
Matt entered the August 2009 Cadwell meeting as a Class A entrant although racing on what was essentially a Class B bike, but as it was entered as Class A he would never be checked for Compliance with Class B rules only Class A.

As for Sam's Laps of 1m 48s they were on Chaz's OD2 Class A bike as far as I'm aware
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 21:34
really?? Ok I stand corrected; would explain why he was 3 seconds slower on race day! But I thought it said B class on the results...
skidlids
10-Sep-2011, 21:46
It does say 583 on the result sheet , but to the left just after his name it has DA for Class A, on the Sunday it should have DB after his name
Probably New Era's system couldn't cope with all the changes
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 21:56
:lol:

there was me thinking Ferkin Hell how did he manage that result on a B?!
skidlids
10-Sep-2011, 22:16
Still wondering how Cleggy managed a 1m 49 and a bit lap record
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 22:20
Still wondering how Cleggy managed a 1m 49 and a bit lap record

TBh I can see why. If my bike handled better I would have beaten that. On the lap that was stopped, I was ahead of my 1'50 dead. Reason I'm so sure is I was hitting gears earlier thru charlies 1 and was flat out sooner on park straight so certainly faster...alas chassis couldn't cope with extra speed thru bottom mountain hence it chucked me up then onto the grass just as the red flag came out

if I'd have had Phils, Kevs, alans or Hughs straight line speed I would have done it. And I dont think the new tyres are that much better than the old diablos...especially as my tyres were so worn by then ;)

edited to add I'm not trying to sound flash, arrogant or ain't I great!! Just seemed to gel with Cadwell after all these years of trackdays!! Think I'll move there :D
skidlids
10-Sep-2011, 22:53
Yet in the same race as Cleggys record Class A winner and setter of the fastest lap Otie only managed a lap of 1m 47s just over 3 seconds down on what Neil and Andy were doing this year.
I find it hard to believe the tyres aren't a factor
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 22:55
sure they are to some extent, but if they were why haven't more records gone this year? Maybe they have more benefit at circuits with lots of high speed corners??
skidlids
10-Sep-2011, 23:06
I make it 4 class A lap records gone out of a possible 6 (So 66%), the ones not broken were Brands which was a new Lap Record last year and Castle Combe which was as near as possible equalled dispite the track being bumpier than ever

And its not just one rider putting in the times
bradders
10-Sep-2011, 23:12
what about B? Is the calibre not as high this year?
Jolley
11-Sep-2011, 20:47
Well, I took Sam West's Anglesey record, and Hugh took Dallas' Pembrey record this year. I doubt either were easy records. I know I have also been within half a second of quite a few of the records without taking any real risks (Cadwell included, only the second time I have been there).... If I were crazy like Neil, had another 5bhp, or was 10kg lighter, I might have had a few more.... But I don't see the point in pushing more than I have to.